Obama Takes Stand On 9/11 "conspiracy Theories", The line has been drawn in the sand Options

[KP50]

I have to say, though, that the strongest argument against there having been an "inside job" aspect to these attacks is that nothing has come out. No one has talked, and even if it were kept highly compartmentalized, there still would have had to have been quite a few people involved, like whomever carried tons of nano-thermite and regular thermite, as well as explosives (thermite is not exposive, it's a chemical agent for cutting through steel like a hot knife through butter--and leaving pools of molten iron) into the twin towers and rigged the place up. With that many people involved, and the severity of the resulting collapses..it's hard to believe no one has come forward. In every other case, from Watergate to Iran-Contra, to the Torture Program, it always comes out eventually. Yet, despite there being a whole enormous comunity of people willingly to listen and support them, no one has come forward to say, "Yeah, we carried explosives into the towers," or whatever. I mean, people who unknowingly participated in this, many of them--if that happened--would realize what they'd help accomplish, and there would be people wanting to get this off their chest. It's just so big, it's hard to imagine that no one has really come forward.

Maybe they have come forward. How would you know? If you were involved with it, who would you approach? The FBI? A newspaper?

Say you happened to be in the vicinity of the Pentagon on 9/11 and took a film of a plane flying over the Pentagon as an explosion took place. As a law-abiding citizen, what would you have done with that film?

[JackD]

Maybe they have come forward. How would you know? If you were involved with it, who would you approach? The FBI? A newspaper?

Yes, because when i am an accessory to crimes of mass murder, or facilitate them, i tend to later go out and spill my guts. the 'no one has talked' issue is a non-argument, unless you can demonstrate that typically after every false flag op killing 1000s "people talk"

they dont.
end of story.

[1976]

Yes, because when i am an accessory to crimes of mass murder, or facilitate them, i tend to later go out and spill my guts. the 'no one has talked' issue is a non-argument, unless you can demonstrate that typically after every false flag op killing 1000s "people talk"

they dont.
end of story.

I'm sure people have talked.... but who's listening? the government... the media.... Plus I'm sure there have been alot of 'accidental' deaths, 'suicides' of people that have tried.

[Daniels]

I'm sure people have talked.... but who's listening? the government... the media.... Plus I'm sure there have been alot of 'accidental' deaths, 'suicides' of people that have tried.

Exactly.

Try Dr David Kelly who was suicided for speaking up about the non-existent weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

and

Captain Ken Masters who was suicided for heading the inquiry into the SAS soldiers dressed as Arabs with terrorism equipment who had been captured by the Iraqi police. The Brits busted them out of jail then promised "a full inquiry". Captain Masters was a decent and honourable man who was innocent enough to not know that the inquiry would only be a lifetime appointment.

And of course let's not forget the greatest patsy of all, Lee Harvey Oswald, who was shot before he could be found innocent of killing Kennedy.

[JimMac]

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Reply by Alan H:

Now, to actually address the subject of this blog: I know Osama bin Laden (OBL) never took credit for the 9/11 attacks, and...

I snipped the quote but this refers to your whole post Alan H. A thoughtful post to be sure, but the point of view could leave a person on the fence, left trying to build an argument to climb down (by).

I think its fair to say that when a person realizes even one real part of the fake story, then the spell is broken, and other fakery becomes visible. Breaking the spell is explained by Tova Gabrielle as a "negative hallucination ..that is, to not see the obvious, when it contradicts our beliefs." It's mass hypnosis, in other words. She goes on to say, ' We were hypnotized on 9/11. Some of the strategies used to bring about a hypnotic state include shock, repetition of phrases and images, and exploiting people’s sense of vulnerability so that they relinquish their previously held beliefs and endorse something formerly untenable to them. '

This happened for me. Once i saw just one part in the fake story for what it truly was (and what it was not), the rest of the picture was then viewable, impossible to see otherwise, before breaking the negative hallucination.

One doesn't need to see every last drop of the deception, in order to know an illusion existed. True, each missing piece will be important in a court of law if it ever comes to that (i have my doubts it will) but history will convict the central perpetrators nevertheless, eventually dispursing the clouds of coverup to get at the evidenturay facts; some flushed out right here in this media, through the public broadcasting system we are all using. Plus there are the forensics; the science these fellows have done will not go away. WTC controlled demolition is not an urban myth, its a reality that cannot be hidden or cloaked. The truth about the fake story has a following and it's gaining mass everyday.

It appears this plan, in versions updated, was baking in the oven for a long period of time, at least 8 years if not more. The actors are mostly identified and there is no more real deep mystery on the 'how, why, and who' parts of the play. There are still pages missing from the script here and there, but the storyline is clear enough to make sense. The director is highly visible yet the producers, or their executive nominees are not much more than a face or two in the fog. Still, we know they are there. The few remaining dots can be connected over time by true historians, or maybe in a worst case, by anthropolgists.

Meanwhile this play will keep finding venues in the US. There is a growing collective conciousness and at some point critical mass may precipitate the what to do about it stage. En mass the movemnet might go intensely political. Obama at this stage isn't leaving much choice, no other door is open. It could get more interesting if the Austrian school of economics is right, and we are already in a depression. Imagine if something like a black swan happened and suddenly a politician like Ron Paul who wants to audit the fed had an over night backing of 50 million people.

Couple that with the thought that these folks have been manufacturing crises for generations, and successfully shifting the sheepl in their direction. And they are not sitting idle now.

This post has been edited by JimMac: Jun 17 2009, 02:08 AM

[AirmanDave]

Nice play on words. BTW, it's "and" not "an," in case that wasn't just a typo. Even many Americans make this mistake; proper use of grammar is a thing of the past, alas. But there is no "an who." You could have just left that off, completely, but included it would be "And who doesn't.."etc. I'm not trying to a jerk (it just comes naturally).

Just thought this was ironic (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[SanderO]

It occurs to me that there are many hurdles to overcome for the mainstream to accept the 9/11 conspiracy was a mihop or lihop or definitely not the 19 guys with box cutter one.

When the look at the the action taken as a result of 9/11... regardless of whether 9/11 even happened, many people see the world as a cruel place where there are enemies out to get us. And the best approach for the US is to be strong and even strike preventatively because they want to come here and take the good and plenty that America is.

These same people see the immagrants streaming in as trashing America and so there is this siege mentality already there and waiting to be tapped. 9/11 is perhaps just a "see I told you so moment"... as opposed the "wake up America, you've been asleep".

So for this vast group which feels America is exceptional and we have a right to our lifestyle and others naturally are resentful and either want to share in it or take it away.. or destroy it, they don't need to look into the causes of this, they just need to guard against it.

This also is a self fulfilling prophesy for this mindset. We believe we are "exceptional" and that means others naturally resent and covet and want to destroy us. This makes us the cause of the bad that happens, but there is no way out of this because we are not going to change.

If we were to walk back our belief of American exceptionalism everything would change; we would pull back on the militarism and empire, and we "share" as opposed to exploit the rest of the world. That won't work within a capitalist frame. Abandoning capitalism is tantamount to the destruction of America (as we know it) and this essentially drives all policy and the need for empire.

[SanderO]

Another reason that they close out reality about 9/11 is that it's quite clear that it leads to untenable conclusions and everyone knows the center cannot hold - it means the great unravelling and nothing short of that. American cannot handle that level of "reinvention" of its body politic.

it would be a progressive collapse of the entire American structure - government, media, business as they all supported the lies which held it together.

What would come after the collapse?

Ironically we are about to find out as capitalism's end game is pulling American apart.

[Sanders]

The bigger the lie the easier the sell.

Really coming to grips with 9/11, and I'm not talking about the scenario by which the Bush administration takes the blame, requires an ability to think outside of the box which a lot of people are not capable of. Before people can grasp 9/11, they first have to wrap their heads around the fact that left-right, republican-democrat, etc. are all constructs to keep us distracted, and that the real power, i.e. the 9/11 planners, lie behind the curtain.

[richard cranium]

Great posts Sanders and SanderO !!! Very,very good. I reread them 3 times! Thank you.


rc

edit add: Those posts were filled with a lot of insight,not to mention,what I feel is the truth.

This post has been edited by richard cranium: Dec 28 2009, 01:56 PM

[bobcat46]

Another reason that they close out reality about 9/11 is that it's quite clear that it leads to untenable conclusions and everyone knows the center cannot hold - it means the great unravelling and nothing short of that. American cannot handle that level of "reinvention" of its body politic.

it would be a progressive collapse of the entire American structure - government, media, business as they all supported the lies which held it together.

What would come after the collapse?

Ironically we are about to find out as capitalism's end game is pulling American apart.

Unregulated Capitalism is the thing that is pulling America apart. When Capitalism is based entirely on a stack of greed, it will consume itself and fail. That is what is happening in America. The greed at the top of the pyramid is why millions of jobs have moved off shore from America. The greed at the top of the pyramid is why we had the economic melt down in 2008. It is the same greed that was behind the attacks on 9/11. I don't believe 9/11 had anything to do with Islam. It was all about greed and power from insiders within and close to our government.

[lunk]

Unregulated Capitalism is the thing that is pulling America apart. When Capitalism is based entirely on a stack of greed, it will consume itself and fail. That is what is happening in America. The greed at the top of the pyramid is why millions of jobs have moved off shore from America. The greed at the top of the pyramid is why we had the economic melt down in 2008. It is the same greed that was behind the attacks on 9/11. I don't believe 9/11 had anything to do with Islam. It was all about greed and power from insiders within and close to our government.

Yep.
In the larger picture,
it is the justification of the war on terror.

[Sanders]

Unregulated Capitalism is the thing that is pulling America apart. When Capitalism is based entirely on a stack of greed, it will consume itself and fail. That is what is happening in America. The greed at the top of the pyramid is why millions of jobs have moved off shore from America. The greed at the top of the pyramid is why we had the economic melt down in 2008. It is the same greed that was behind the attacks on 9/11. I don't believe 9/11 had anything to do with Islam. It was all about greed and power from insiders within and close to our government.

So regulate it ... that is, restore capitalism.

Capitalism has gotten a very bad name lately - but in the absence of Government "regulation", i.e. rules that benefit the big companies over the small, and "too-big-to-fail" bail-outs, we wouldn't be in this mess. It's not "capitalism" that's the problem, sans government intervention, the fear of failure and bankruptcy is the only regulatory agency you need ... once you take that away and put all your eggs in the government regulatory basket, you're screwed.

The question is NOT how do you regulate greed, but how you get the greedy out of the government that regulates.