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Shanksville Coroner Wally Miller

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post Aug 5 2008, 07:21 AM
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post Aug 6 2008, 12:14 AM
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Wally has a funeral home business and we were there because Wally is an old acquaintance of Representative Bob Bastian, the retiring state rep. from Somerset. It was pretty clear that had Bob not requested it, we probably would not have got the time of day from Wally. I am grateful to Bob (and to Wally) for being a man of his word. He professed genuine interest in the information that has not been explained by the official account.

Wally appeared to be stifling an impulse to kick us all out before we got started, in fact I thought he was doing that with his first words, but he was prefacing his interview by saying that he would not be commenting on what happened to the aircraft before the crash - which may have implied that he felt a shoot-down could not be ruled out, however, he did describe the attitude of the aircraft at impact- in a 90 degree bank, which, if memory serves, is at variance with both the FDR information and the crater. He calmed down quite a bit after that, and I thought he was relatively forthcoming.

When he was asked whether we could photograph some of the pictures (there was quite a stack of them) he became a bit exercised and implied that we wanted to photograph body parts and put them on the internet. Dom was quick to reassure him that we would do no such thing, but were interested in pictures that showed layout of the scene, wreckage, etc. One figure that stood out for me was (as I recall) that only 8% of the body parts were recovered, and one of our colleagues indicated that several of the photos seemed to be of the same parts, however all but four of the persons aboard were identified out of what had to be like human confetti. The identifications came via the FBI, intially by fingerprint and dental records, and later DNA and were the basis for the death certificates that Wally issued. Wally's part appeared to be primarily as the contact with the family members.

I, and the others who sat in, agree with Dom's assessment that Wally, while he may have been manipulated by the FBI, is sincere in his belief that the investigation of Shanksville and the ensuing account of the scene reflected reality. That still leaves plenty of room for questions, and I look forward to a contrast of the final attitude of the aircraft, as reflected by the FDR, and the impact angle described by Wally. I also look forward to Dom's follow-up with some hither-to unknown witnesses, as far as I know.

Hats off to Dom and to Craig and Aldo, who have to be - pound for pound - some of the most productive and tenacious investigators in the world. Great job, guys.
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post Aug 6 2008, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE (maturin42 @ Aug 6 2008, 12:14 AM) *
One figure that stood out for me was (as I recall) that only 8% of the body parts were recovered, and one of our colleagues indicated that several of the photos seemed to be of the same parts, however all but four of the persons aboard were identified out of what had to be like human confetti.



Please forgive this uneducated question, but is it the norm for bodies to be essentially blown apart by aircraft accidents, even the most extreme?

What about the bodies recoverd from the low-fare airline that had a plane crash vertically at full speed into a swamp several years ago due to an explosion of oxygen containers? We're they "recovered" in the same state?

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post Aug 6 2008, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE (Rickysa @ Aug 4 2008, 01:33 PM) *
Please forgive this uneducated question, but is it the norm for bodies to be essentially blown apart by aircraft accidents, even the most extreme?

What about the bodies recoverd from the low-fare airline that had a plane crash vertically at full speed into a swamp several years ago due to an explosion of oxygen containers? We're they "recovered" in the same state?


It occurred to me that one reason for claiming extreme speeds for Flt 93 and 77 is to make it possible to argue that the aircraft and contents were pulverized to a degree not usually seen in this kind of crash. From the Pentagon accounts, several alleged that the engines sounded like they were essentially at idle until the aircraft leveled out below the navy annex. Experienced accident investigators would be the ones to address this. As with the buildings, the official argument maintains that previous failures to collapse are not relevant because these fires were so much hotter, given that these were fed with "Jet Fuel" (ooooooooh). That argument is absurd to anyone familiar with the properties of kerosene, who also realize that the fuel not consumed in the initial fireball, would have quickly burned out leaving only an office-furnishing-fueled conflagration. Wally made reference to 520 mph for the impact speed. That seems unlikely.
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- Domenick DiMaggio CIT   Shanksville Coroner Wally Miller   Aug 5 2008, 07:21 AM
- - rob balsamo   Good stuff Dom.   Aug 5 2008, 09:33 AM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Aug 3 2008, 12:33 PM...   Aug 5 2008, 07:56 PM
- - SPreston   Yes, just great Domenick. The crater was onl...   Aug 5 2008, 02:20 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (SPreston @ Aug 3 2008, 05:20 PM) Y...   Aug 5 2008, 07:59 PM
|- - richard cranium   QUOTE (SPreston @ Aug 3 2008, 04:20 PM) Y...   Aug 10 2008, 09:14 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (richard cranium @ Aug 8 2008, 11:1...   Aug 11 2008, 12:58 AM
|- - UnderTow   QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Aug 11 2008, 1...   Aug 11 2008, 12:15 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (UnderTow @ Aug 9 2008, 03:15 PM) I...   Aug 12 2008, 04:14 PM
- - SPreston   Shanksville Coroner Wally Miller was there, on the...   Aug 5 2008, 02:43 PM
- - UnderTow   WoW. Look at all those pictures he's got. It...   Aug 5 2008, 03:29 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (UnderTow @ Aug 3 2008, 06:29 PM) W...   Aug 5 2008, 08:08 PM
- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   p.s. i reserve the right to change my opinion of w...   Aug 5 2008, 09:07 PM
- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   http://libertasmedia.org in about 30 minutes from...   Aug 5 2008, 09:32 PM
- - albertchampion   as lousy a site as i have attempted to connect. w...   Aug 5 2008, 10:31 PM
- - maturin42   Wally has a funeral home business and we were ther...   Aug 6 2008, 12:14 AM
|- - Rickysa   QUOTE (maturin42 @ Aug 6 2008, 12:14 AM) ...   Aug 6 2008, 11:33 AM
|- - maturin42   QUOTE (Rickysa @ Aug 4 2008, 01:33 PM) Pl...   Aug 6 2008, 10:13 PM
||- - Rickysa   QUOTE (maturin42 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:13 PM) ...   Aug 7 2008, 09:58 AM
|- - maturin42   QUOTE (Rickysa @ Aug 4 2008, 01:33 PM) Pl...   Aug 16 2008, 12:35 AM
- - rob balsamo   Great job guys... and thank you very much Shelton ...   Aug 6 2008, 10:36 AM
|- - tnemelckram   Hi Rob! QUOTE Yeah, the angle Wally describes...   Aug 6 2008, 12:47 PM
- - amazed!   How on earth is Wally supposed to know what attitu...   Aug 6 2008, 03:19 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 4 2008, 05:19 PM...   Aug 7 2008, 06:20 AM
- - amazed!   Domenick We are told this, that, and the other th...   Aug 10 2008, 11:27 AM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 8 2008, 01:27 PM...   Aug 10 2008, 08:31 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Aug 8 2008, 10...   Aug 15 2008, 06:38 AM
- - amazed!   The pictures above are interesting. The impact zo...   Aug 11 2008, 10:16 AM
- - amazed!   And what option is that Domenick?   Aug 13 2008, 03:29 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 11 2008, 06:29 P...   Aug 13 2008, 06:40 PM
- - albertchampion   just some comments.... for 37 years i have been d...   Aug 13 2008, 08:30 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (albertchampion @ Aug 11 2008, 11:3...   Aug 13 2008, 08:40 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Aug 13 2008, 0...   Aug 13 2008, 09:29 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Aug 12 2008, 12:29 A...   Aug 14 2008, 01:25 AM
- - albertchampion   i know something about the behavior of cellphones ...   Aug 13 2008, 10:09 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (albertchampion @ Aug 12 2008, 01:0...   Aug 14 2008, 01:33 AM
- - albertchampion   apparently, very few[including rob balsamo] have p...   Aug 13 2008, 11:30 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (albertchampion @ Aug 12 2008, 02:3...   Aug 14 2008, 01:36 AM
- - maturin42   QUOTE so, when dom attempts to assert that any cel...   Aug 14 2008, 12:05 AM
- - UnderTow   albert got a bit of rant there, yes sir. Anywho,...   Aug 14 2008, 12:20 AM
- - albertchampion   doesn't cut it. 2001 cell phone technology ca...   Aug 14 2008, 12:48 AM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (albertchampion @ Aug 12 2008, 03:4...   Aug 14 2008, 01:48 AM
- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   anyways to put this back on topic anyone find anyt...   Aug 14 2008, 07:40 AM
- - amazed!   I agree with Maturin--charges of being a disinfo a...   Aug 14 2008, 10:03 AM
- - maturin42   Amazed makes a great point. Dom has spent consider...   Aug 14 2008, 12:48 PM
- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   everyone is free to tell me how wrong i am thats f...   Aug 15 2008, 07:43 AM
- - amazed!   Dom In and of itself, the apparent fact that nobo...   Aug 15 2008, 03:01 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 13 2008, 05:01 P...   Aug 18 2008, 07:48 AM
- - dMole   Not to be morbid regarding the Valujet crash, but ...   Aug 16 2008, 09:34 PM
- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   Indian Lake Marina 234 S Shore Trl Central City, P...   Aug 18 2008, 07:46 AM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (Domenick DiMaggio CIT @ Aug 16 2008, 0...   Aug 19 2008, 07:06 AM
- - amazed!   Dom, if you don't believe the airplane was und...   Aug 18 2008, 10:39 AM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 16 2008, 12:39 P...   Aug 18 2008, 10:52 AM
- - amazed!   OK, was there an engine found at Indian Lake? You...   Aug 19 2008, 02:13 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 17 2008, 05:13 P...   Aug 20 2008, 06:39 PM
- - amazed!   Dom Let me say that I believe the Flight 93 thing...   Aug 21 2008, 10:46 AM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 19 2008, 01:46 P...   Aug 22 2008, 01:30 AM
- - amazed!   Reality? Sure! In reality, the chances of th...   Aug 22 2008, 02:33 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 20 2008, 05:33 P...   Aug 22 2008, 04:13 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 22 2008, 12:33 P...   Aug 22 2008, 07:07 PM
||- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 20 2008, 10:07 PM) Tha...   Aug 22 2008, 08:58 PM
|- - gepay   QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 20 2008, 04:33 P...   Feb 13 2011, 12:56 AM
- - amazed!   Dom I am thankful for all you have done. You wil...   Aug 23 2008, 10:26 AM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 21 2008, 01:26 P...   Aug 23 2008, 06:06 PM
- - amazed!   I agree with you and you are correct about the rev...   Aug 24 2008, 10:09 PM
- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   9/11 : The Shanksville Files Vol II : Wally Miller...   Aug 28 2008, 03:28 AM
- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE d: now there was reports in the media that t...   Aug 28 2008, 11:09 PM
- - dMole   Hi Dom, You might want to take a look at post #73...   Sep 29 2008, 06:38 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (dMole @ Sep 27 2008, 08:38 PM) Hi ...   Oct 1 2008, 08:22 AM
- - dMole   "Unique FAA Index:" 196566 [for "UA...   Oct 1 2008, 08:47 AM
- - SPreston   Amazing. http://aal77.com/faa/FOIA%202008-3195%20(...   Oct 1 2008, 10:08 AM
- - amazed!   Maaybe it's me, but I couldn't find 196566...   Oct 2 2008, 10:34 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (amazed! @ Oct 2 2008, 08:34 AM...   Oct 2 2008, 03:02 PM
|- - SPreston   QUOTE (amazed! @ Oct 2 2008, 10:34 AM...   Oct 5 2008, 12:36 PM
- - amazed!   So what you're saying dMole, is that according...   Oct 4 2008, 05:55 PM
- - dMole   Well amazed, According to my independent analysis...   Oct 4 2008, 06:45 PM
|- - keroseneaddict   QUOTE (dMole @ Oct 4 2008, 06:45 PM) Well...   Oct 29 2008, 09:20 PM
- - amazed!   Thanks dMole. Suffice to say that there are numer...   Oct 5 2008, 11:40 AM
- - dMole   That FAA spreadsheet is smelling a bit like months...   Oct 29 2008, 09:37 PM
- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   i've asked this at various threads where the d...   Oct 31 2008, 03:40 AM
- - amazed!   I have heard the first few radio transmissions, bu...   Oct 31 2008, 10:23 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (amazed! @ Oct 31 2008, 08:23 A...   Oct 31 2008, 02:00 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (dMole @ Oct 29 2008, 04:00 PM) EDI...   Oct 31 2008, 09:02 PM
- - dMole   Well come on then Dom, post the link then for we ...   Oct 31 2008, 09:29 PM
|- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   QUOTE (dMole @ Oct 30 2008, 12:29 AM) Wel...   Nov 20 2008, 01:20 AM
- - Domenick DiMaggio CIT   so haven taken a proper amount of time to consider...   Nov 20 2008, 01:50 AM
- - amazed!   Wally Miller is a damn liar.   Nov 20 2008, 10:57 AM
|- - Rickysa   QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 20 2008, 09:57 A...   Nov 20 2008, 01:27 PM
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|- - Godspeed2012   QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Feb 28 2014, ...   Mar 2 2014, 11:02 AM
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