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Freemasony Nwo War On The Catholic Churh

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post Dec 7 2008, 03:25 AM
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Now, I'm atheist myself but after watching the following video, it looks like there is a war between Freemasonry and the Catholic religion. I acknowledge beforehand that the rock music segment at the beggining of the video is very speculative but understand that it is viewed from a religious perspective and focused on another (religious) group. Once you get past the rock music thing the information comes at you hard and fast. I also believe Freemasonry looks to subjugate ALL major religions, not just the Catholic churh.

"Abortion, Rock Music and Freemasonry Exposed"

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/wat...-Abortion-44867
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Methinks it runs [Hegelian] deeper, Quest. Research Opus Dei, Knights of Columbus, Knights of Malta, "Hospitallers,"/Knights Templar and a couple of other "orders" here... (Although I haven't watched the video yet, I've done years of research on this UN-"holy" business).

EDIT: Oh yes, Jesuits like a mutha-fukka...
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post Dec 7 2008, 05:48 AM
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Of course http://www.talismanicidols.com has since been "spookified," rolleyes.gif

but watch this video:

Esoteric Agenda
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6030443037963555139
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Zeitgeist attempts to explain religious origins, along with some of the influence it has had on our civilization.

WARNING: Zeitgeist contains information which may be potentionally devastating to those with strict religious convictions.

I do not recommend watching any of these videos if you are of strong religious faith, some of the materials you may find offensive.

The views expressed in Zeitgeist are not necessarily shared by myself or anyone else at this web site. I just thought the original poster might find it somewhat relevant to his topic of religion.

Zeitgeist- Origins of Christianity (1 of 3)

Zeitgeist- Origins of Christianity (2 of 3)

Zeitgeist- Origins of Christianity (3 of 3)
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Good disclaimers GWeezy- although I haven't watched all of Zeitgiest yet (I was kinda already there), Jim Marrs' Rule by Secrecy pretty well obliterated my remaining shards of "Christianity"

P.S. The yellow text on white kinda sucks- or was that intended? wink.gif

EDIT: This thread likely belongs in the Religion forum, but let's let it "float" here for a while.
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There's a germ of truth to all this, the Pagan/Kabbalistic powers during the middle ages, i.e. the Merovingian Franks and the Vikings who invaded France were in conflict with the church as they had been with the Roman Empire - and the Church of Rome eventually displaced the Merovingian line with the Carolingians (though they are connected by blood) ... but the Templars then "displaced" the popes in Rome essentially, when Bernard Clairvaux, the mentor of the Templar cause, used his influence to install one of his own people as pope, Innocent II. The struggle, as it were, traces back to the cult of Aton in Egypt actually, and went on WITHIN both camps, as well as between them. By "camps", I mean the Catholic Church on the one hand, and the Merovingians, Cathars, Templars, Vikings, Freemasons, Rosicrucians etc. on the other.

But really its just a struggle for power - sometimes the Church had more, sometimes elements in this loose coalition of anti-Catholic groups had more. Usually they shared power, and schemed to get more of it.

2 cents

(P.S. Take Zeitgeist's religious claims with a grain of salt - he only bothers himself with Egypt - there was a whole 'nother branch crucial to understanding the roots of the ruling elite which bypassed Egypt entirely, passing through the Black Sea region ... this is all in my "dragon blood-line' thread btw.)
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"The past, sure is tense."
quoting Beefheart

imo, lunk

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Did anyone happen to catch the part about the OKC bombing? That alone is worth watching this entire video.
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QUOTE (dMole @ Dec 7 2008, 05:08 AM) *
Good disclaimers GWeezy- although I haven't watched all of Zeitgiest yet (I was kinda already there), Jim Marrs' Rule by Secrecy pretty well obliterated my remaining shards of "Christianity"

P.S. The yellow text on white kinda sucks- or was that intended? wink.gif

EDIT: This thread likely belongs in the Religion forum, but let's let it "float" here for a while.


Sorry about the yellow on white; while it was intended to be yellow, I should have taken the time to preview to notice the background, etc. My apologies.

The reason for the disclaimer is that I have, in my immediate family, those who don't even want to look at this kind of material, they consider it 'blasphemy' and the 'devil's work.'

Exactly the realm of thinking which has left what should be a constantly learning mind to shut itself off from exploring new ideas, new sciences, cures and acceptance of people for who they are. (not who Christianity predetermines they should be and act like)
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Smoking Gun! - Rockefeller Official Revealed NWO Plot In 1969
By Henry Makow PhD
12-7-8

http://www.rense.com/general84/d2on.htm

Our political and cultural "leaders" are accomplices in a plot to re-engineer humanity to serve the Judeo-Masonic central banking cartel. Wars, terrorism, depressions, political and social change, entertainment and fads are all contrived to gradually bring about an Orwellian police state. Many people have said this but last week, I learned of another "smoking gun."

Randy Engel, the President of the US Coalition of Life sent me a tape she made in 1988 with Dr. Lawrence Dunegan, a Pittsburgh pediatrician who died in Jan. 2004.

(Engel-http://www.riteofsodomy.com/index.php?act=viewDoc&docId=5 US Coalition of Life--http://www.uscl.info/index.php?pr=Home_Page)

It consists of his recollection of a speech given March 20, 1969 by Dr. Richard Day, the National Medical Director of the Rockefeller-sponsored "Planned Parenthood" to a meeting of the Pittsburgh Pediatric Society. It describes "A New World System," already in place which would permanently transform the world. Dr. Day wanted the eighty or so physicians present to be prepared. The transcript of Dunegan's recollections has been posted here and should be read in full.

(Transcript-http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/ new_order_of_barbarians.html)

Much of what Day promised in 1969 is looking into a rear-view mirror today. But ominous events have yet to transpire. They do want to implant a chip in us so they can find and identify us, as well as monitor and control our purchases. They are weaning us off national allegiance and will resort to terrorism to win our assent to their global police state. They may use "one or two nuclear bombs to convince people we mean business," Day said. He refrained from mentioning who "we" are but said the names are recognizable. Given that he worked for the Rockefellers, I assume he meant the Rockefellers and their bosses, the Rothschilds.

This adds weight to the widely-held view that the central bankers are responsible for most terrorism, using MI-6, Mossad and the CIA. Dr. Day also said that "war is obsolete" given the danger of nuclear exchange so terrorism would be used instead. This was 1969.

He said that there are always two reasons for anything the Rockefellers do: the pretext which makes it palatable to the gullible public and the real reason. Thus, as I argued in my book "Cruel Hoax" (2007), we are being turned into homosexuals in the name of "women's and gay rights." Gender-confused and promiscuous, fewer people are able and willing to bond permanently with the opposite sex for the purpose of having children.

Dr. Day said sex will be separated from marriage and reproduction ( i.e. "sexual liberation") to break up the family and reduce population. Abortion, divorce and homosexuality will be made socially acceptable. "Homosexuals will be given permission to act out. Everyone including the elderly will be encouraged to have sex. It will be brought out into the open. Anything goes." [The "Stonewall Riots" which unleashed the "gay rights" movement, took place three months later.] The ultimate goal is to have sex without reproduction. Reproduction without sex will occur in laboratories. Family size will be limited as in China.

It will be made more difficult for families to stay together. More women will work outside the home and more people will remain single. Sports instead of dolls will be promoted to girls so they will seek achievement instead of family. Girls will be taught they are the same as boys.

In general, international sports like soccer and hockey will be pushed so Americans will see themselves as "world citizens." American sports like baseball and football will not be similarly encouraged.

Pertinent now that US automakers are hurting, Day said America will be de-industrialized. Each part of the world will have a specialty and thus become interdependent. He said American industry will be undermined and shown to be uncompetitive. The US will remain a center for agriculture, high tech, communications, and education.

Pornography, violence and obscenity on TV and in movies will be increased. People will be desensitized to violence and porn and made to feel life is short, precarious and brutish. Music will "get worse" and will be used for indoctrination.

There will be unemployment and mass migration in order to uproot long established (conservative) communities. Social change will be introduced in port cities and work its way to the heartland. (Thus, the east and west coast are liberal.)

He said a cure to cancer exists in the Rockefeller Institute but is kept secret for purposes of depopulation. He said there will be an increase in infectious man-made diseases.

Dr. Day, who worked in weather modification during the war, said weather can be used to wage war or create drought and famine. The food supply will be monitored so no one can get enough food to "support a fugitive from the New System." Growing your own food will be outlawed under the pretext of it being unsafe.

He said people are controlled by means of the information they are given. Thus, information will be selective. Not everyone will be allowed to own books. "Certain books will disappear from libraries." Literary classics will be subtly altered. People will spend longer in school but not learn anything. There will be restrictions on travel; and private home ownership will disappear.

He said people who don't want to go along will be "disposed of humanely." He said there will be no martyrs--"people will just disappear."

CONCLUSION

Dr. Day says politicians are manipulated "without their even knowing it." Their failure to protect us from this Satanic conspiracy is a betrayal of the first order. We have to alert the sincere ones and reach soldiers and police too. Civilization hangs in the balance. We are in real danger and should organize in small independent units.

People are hurting now and are more receptive to this information. This "economic downturn" is deliberate and part of the police state agenda. We have to educate people who think these events are random. The Rockefellers and their traitorous lackeys can't bring this off if the intelligentsia and masses are aware of the truth.

(Deliberate-http://www.henrymakow.com/ illuminati_bankers_seek_revolu.html)

Progressives and Leftists need to learn that "progress" and "change" really refer to totalitarian world government. This is the change they "believe in." Dr. Day said in 1969, "people will have to get used to constant change." I used to be a Liberal-Leftist myself. If I can see what "changing the world" really means, others can too.

We also have to take practical steps to defend ourselves, our families and our freedom.

Our society and culture are a fraud based on one central fraud, the monopoly over government credit by Cabalist private bankers. They are using this power to extend their monopoly over every aspect of our lives by manipulating world events and social behavior. The only way to save civilization from failure is to nationalize the Central Banks.

"Central Bankers Seek Totalitarian Power" http:// www.savethemales.ca/001297.html

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Dr. Richard Day Obit (1905-1989) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html? res=950DE4D8163CF935A25755C0A96F948260

Cleveland Food Co-op Raided http://groups.google.com/group/TruthJustic.../browse_thread/ thread/7893405bbc6e1148?hl=en&pli=1

Elite Signaled Political Change http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/u.s._elections/% 22obama_is_merely_a_fop_for_the_global_elite%22_20081124105/

De-industrialization of US http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/...LE2/doodoo.html? q=ARTICLE2/doodoo.html


Henry Makow Ph.D. is the author of "Illuminati-The Cult that Hijacked the World." (www.cruelhoax.ca) His articles can be found at his web site www.henrymakow.com He enjoys receiving your comments, some of which he posts on his site using first names only. hmakow@gmail.com
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post Mar 20 2009, 05:13 PM
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"Zeitgeist attempts to explain religious origins, along with some of the influence it has had on our civilization."
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I never did watch all of Zeitgeist but some bits of it. I guess I've gotten more information from watching a variety of vids that says similar things to what I heard about Zeitgeist.


One portion of Zeitgeist did bother me though. They mention the Sun being on the Southern Cross' around the winter solstice . This is a constellation called Crux (seen on the Australian flag) and is not seen from northern latitudes but might have been seen from lower Arabia although obscured a bit due to being low on the horizon even at it's highest point in the sky. You'll see it much better from below the equator.

The problem with the video is that this constellation is very far below the ecliptic (the imaginary line around the sky which the Sun appears to follow over the year as the Earth orbits the Sun) and the Sun won't ever get near the 'southern cross' so the illustration and talk of that is way off.


Another problem was their mention of the stars of the belt of Orion making a line through the star Sirius (Alpha Canis Majoris) and pointing to where the Sun would rise. Well, firstly the belt stars do not line up in a straight line even with themselves and don't really point to Sirius in a straight line and they don't point in the way shown in the diagram in the video anyway (I believe it was sort of straight down to the horizon). The best I can see using Stellarium software is that when Orion is on the western side of the sky, an arc across the sky through Sirius and arcing way over to the east sort of points to the spot the Sun will rise when Orion and Sirius are already set. I'm not sure if ancient people did this or even if Egyptians had a constellation of Crux or if early Christians saw this as a cross (especially since this might not have been visible from their location).

Also, the best I can see about Crux is that it appears pretty much due south in the sky, perhaps seen from lower Arabia , when Sirius is almost setting in the southwest. Crux is due south a little while before dawn starts happening and then the Sun rises.

Perhaps there is some connection here that could be looked into but the way it's described in Zeitgeist is way off.

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So I'm a little concerned that other details may be off ....


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The part about the Sun appearing to "die" and stop getting further south or north in the sky is true...in fact that's what the word solstice comes from

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search...searchmode=none

" from L. solstitium "point at which the sun seems to stand still," from sol "sun"


Due to the geometry of the angle of the Earth's poles being away from the Sun (northern hemisphere) and towards the Sun (southern hemisphere) at this time, the orbital motion of the Earth does not make the Sun's maximum height in the sky at noon get any higher or lower for what could be around 3 days by pre-telescopic peoples' naked-eye observations. Then they observed the Sun's maximum height in the sky to slightly start to get higher (from northern hemisphere) in the days afterwards (resurection of the Sun?) until the summer solstice.

This may tie in with the use of three days of Easter (ie, but taken from the winter solstice when the Sun is at it's lowest from the northern hemisphere and pasted onto easter which is the natural time of regrowth in northern lands) in the Christian religion.
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I went on a tangent and forgot what the topic of the thread was.

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As far as the Church and alleged battle with Freemasonry goes .... I have watched and read some information suggesting the Jesuits ( Society of Jesus ) may be the actual controlling society on top of the collection of secret societies (including Freemasonry and the various others someone listed above). If this were true, any supposed battle against Freemasonry might be fake and possibly some form of diverting public attention.

I assume like many secret society's, many lower members may in fact feel they are doing something good ... yet at the top , there may be a level where the real agenda is reveiled to those who make it through the fliter and meet the desired requirements of that agenda.


The so-called "Black Pope" (Superior General of the Society of Jesus) is claimed by some of these ideas to actually be at the peak of the pyramid with the Pope of Rome as a subordinate... although we are told officially that he is below the Pope in Rome.


I don't know what to think really... one could keep trying to figure out all these things if interested

One would really have to delve into scholarly investigation about the history of the Jesuit order and try to be careful about wrong information.

I have heard some very nasty things that the Jesuit order's original mandate was to basically exterminate the Protestant movement at all costs including violent acts.

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I've been looking at the idea that three cities in this world form a triangle of power governed by the elite banking families on top.


- Washington, DC (home to WOrld Bank and International Monetary Fund - IMF)
- City of London (not London....just the tiny inner financial area called "City of London")
- The Vatican


Some information I've heard suggests that even the founders of the US (many top level Freemasons) were secrety just acting out the agenda of higher ups. The idea being that there were top Freemasons in the US, in England and France and that from a higher level even the war of independace was one of those 'order from chaos' battles the illuminati are said to cause (others being World War I and World War II) in order that the agenda goes forward in the aftermath when the serfs feel like they've gained something.

The idea that Britain was just instigating the reaction of the people in the colonies and the war was pre-caused on purpose for the agenda of a higher group sounds rather shocking and I'm not sure if that's true or not. Again, something people might want to investigate or discard as being absurd.


Could it be that the USA was never really separate from England and England was controlled by higher-ups.


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Sorry, getting a bit off topic.

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QUOTE (zetetic0void @ Mar 24 2009, 03:13 PM) *
...One portion of Zeitgeist did bother me though. They mention the Sun being on the Southern Cross' around the winter solstice . This is a constellation called Crux (seen on the Australian flag) and is not seen from northern latitudes but might have been seen from lower Arabia although obscured a bit due to being low on the horizon even at it's highest point in the sky. You'll see it much better from below the equator.

The problem with the video is that this constellation is very far below the ecliptic (the imaginary line around the sky which the Sun appears to follow over the year as the Earth orbits the Sun) and the Sun won't ever get near the 'southern cross' so the illustration and talk of that is way off.


Another problem was their mention of the stars of the belt of Orion making a line through the star Sirius (Alpha Canis Majoris) and pointing to where the Sun would rise. Well, firstly the belt stars do not line up in a straight line even with themselves and don't really point to Sirius in a straight line and they don't point in the way shown in the diagram in the video anyway (I believe it was sort of straight down to the horizon). The best I can see using Stellarium software is that when Orion is on the western side of the sky, an arc across the sky through Sirius and arcing way over to the east sort of points to the spot the Sun will rise when Orion and Sirius are already set. I'm not sure if ancient people did this or even if Egyptians had a constellation of Crux or if early Christians saw this as a cross (especially since this might not have been visible from their location).

Also, the best I can see about Crux is that it appears pretty much due south in the sky, perhaps seen from lower Arabia , when Sirius is almost setting in the southwest. Crux is due south a little while before dawn starts happening and then the Sun rises.

Perhaps there is some connection here that could be looked into but the way it's described in Zeitgeist is way off.

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So I'm a little concerned that other details may be off ....


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The part about the Sun appearing to "die" and stop getting further south or north in the sky is true...in fact that's what the word solstice comes from

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search...searchmode=none

" from L. solstitium "point at which the sun seems to stand still," from sol "sun"


Due to the geometry of the angle of the Earth's poles being away from the Sun (northern hemisphere) and towards the Sun (southern hemisphere) at this time, the orbital motion of the Earth does not make the Sun's maximum height in the sky at noon get any higher or lower for what could be around 3 days by pre-telescopic peoples' naked-eye observations. Then they observed the Sun's maximum height in the sky to slightly start to get higher (from northern hemisphere) in the days afterwards (resurection of the Sun?) until the summer solstice.

This may tie in with the use of three days of Easter (ie, but taken from the winter solstice when the Sun is at it's lowest from the northern hemisphere and pasted onto easter which is the natural time of regrowth in northern lands) in the Christian religion.


Yes, there are other problems with it. The Jesus-Horus parallels are almost all made up.
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Please consider this (and discuss):

Zeitgeist's Peter Joseph Moves Away From 911 Truth; From NY Times Article
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/1382760/1/

[Holla! to JFK- I might have some radar-related work for you BTW wink.gif ]

Related threads at:

"zeitgeist" May Become The Movement Of Our Age, Everyone needs to consider what is being presented
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=16198

Zeitgeist Addendum [ II ], The Revolution Is Now
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=11465
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zeitgeist was always intended to take many away from the truth of that day in september.

an outfit production.
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Are you "free" to elaborate on "production" here AC? [Or could you be sometime in the future?] dunno.gif
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FAWWKK!!- weird computer sh*t on my end!- GRRRR!!!!

Let's try again... Here is where I would "guess" that the problem lies for 85%+ of most "government employees."

http://www.usdoj.gov/dojorg.htm

http://www.usdoj.gov/jmd/mps/manual/orgcharts/dojorg.jpg


http://www.usdoj.gov/02organizations/02_2.html
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QUOTE (albertchampion @ Mar 19 2009, 04:50 AM) *
zeitgeist was always intended to take many away from the truth of that day in september.

an outfit production.


that's a bit of a bombshell


QUOTE (dMole @ Mar 19 2009, 05:01 AM) *
Are you "free" to elaborate on "production" here AC? [Or could you be sometime in the future?] dunno.gif


ditto
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I tend to agree with AC. I think anyone can agree that the two Zeitgeist pieces taken together promote at least 3 ideas - it proposes that religion is a scam, exposes the truths about 9/11 and the Federal Reserve, and arguably promotes a utopian future without money or private property. Numbers 1 & 2 are, conspicuously, the major planks of the communist manifesto, a system of governance tried and backed by, ironically, the same bankers (and 9/11 planners) Joseph exposes in part II & III of the first film.

Add to that the fact that Joseph just makes stuff up to support his religion thesis, and I seriously don't know what the think about the Zeitgeist flicks - I would only recommend to a friend parts II & III of the first film, those sections are pretty accurate from what I can tell. (I, like Quest, am an athiest by the way, I'm not motivated by any religious belief to be critical of Joseph.)
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Here is a little look at fractional reserve banking, from a non-zeitgeist perspective:

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My screed on "Mark To Market" brought the tinfoil brigade out of the woodwork in spades, and one of their most common "attack points" is that "reserve banking is fraud."

Simply put, "no its not."


http://market-ticker.org/archives/865-Reserve-Banking.html
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