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Folds Of Time, ...ponderings

lunk
post Jun 4 2009, 12:11 PM
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If you are dreaming then your reality is that dream environment.
If you are awake, then the real world is your reality.
and the dream reality, is outside of that.

Being awake, the dream world seems a fantasy.
Asleep and dreaming, the real world is mistaken for the dream.

Tough topic to comprehend.

...and how do I know that I'm not dreaming this?
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post Jun 4 2009, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE (lunk @ Jun 4 2009, 04:11 PM) *
If you are dreaming then your reality is that dream environment.
If you are awake, then the real world is your reality.
and the dream reality, is outside of that.

Being awake, the dream world seems a fantasy.
Asleep and dreaming, the real world is mistaken for the dream.

Tough topic to comprehend.

...and how do I know that I'm not dreaming this?


laugh.gif You don't!

I guess reality is subjective then...?



...But that doesn't seem quite right as a bald statement... way too many issues... far too easy to argue against (and in danger of leading to solipsism) rolleyes.gif

It is subjective... I think the points made here show that... but it is also objective... as in we each experience it objectively.
Perhaps objective reality is part of subjective reality?


(edited to add uncertainty!)

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post Jun 4 2009, 01:09 PM
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I can see things both ways.

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Here is an interesting take on objective/subjective thinking:

Derren Brown - the System (6 parts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_0b4dkmD0w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB8eDEHcGjs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT8nIr7C0iY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAiBdiqVjvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALS0xdvhqxc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta-0kTUOygM

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post Jun 5 2009, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE (lunk @ Jun 4 2009, 05:09 PM) *
I can see things both ways.


I think it is both ways... and isn't that the case with most things?

We spend so much time arguing over seemingly opposing dualities, when both are merely extreme interpretations/perspectives of the same thing.
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post Jun 5 2009, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE (Willow @ Jun 5 2009, 11:23 AM) *
I think it is both ways... and isn't that the case with most things?

We spend so much time arguing over seemingly opposing dualities, when both are merely extreme interpretations/perspectives of the same thing.


I've noticed that.

People that seem at odds with each other,
tend to have ignored, similarities,
much greater than their differences.
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post Jul 11 2009, 02:53 AM
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More pondering.
I keep thinking of the series, The Matrix and how the story is written to make Agent Smith, look like the bad guy, who eventually takes over the minds and bodies of everybody in the Matrix.
My spin is that Agent Smith is a Truther, who turns everybody else in the Matrix, into a Truther too. Neo Anderson, of course, translated, is the "New son of Man" that is to replace the inhabitants of the Matrix, who are now all turned into Agent Smiths. Neo is helped by the Renegades who have a line into the inner workings of the Matrix, that created the Matrix, and burnt the sky, fighting the Matrix...a ruling elite class, trying to hold onto control?
You see, the movie is not written from the perspective of the inhabitants of the matrix but portrays the "Elite Resistance" as the underdogs.
Talk about religious overtones.

Christianity talks about the Second coming, among many other things. Prominent people in the movement have sometimes, came out and said that they were the Second coming, like David Icke and David Shayler, I even heard Alex Jones once say that he was spreading the Truth to the people like Jesus did in his day.
It makes one wonder just how many Jesus's are there?

Well perhaps, using the Christian analogy, lots.
Perhaps the Second coming is a mindset that takes people over and turns them into an "Agent Smith", and in a way, another Jesus.

I like Alan Watt. He seems to think that all this was planned long ago, written into the symbols of astrology and added to all the religions, from ancient Greek myths to modern novels. A plan for the never ending continued rule of a small group of families over the rest of humanity.

still, just lunk
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post Jul 12 2009, 09:25 PM
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As a person understanding nothing about actuarial science and being a difficult to predict human being myself, I resemble your remarks about being suggestable. And that's precisely the reason why I won't be commenting on this comment...
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post Jul 12 2009, 10:19 PM
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Wow! I figured the Darren Brown thing out just before he revealed it and I bet (pun intended) he placed a 4 thousand pound wager on every horse in that race.

Excellent point, lunk.
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post Jul 13 2009, 12:28 AM
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QUOTE (BarryWilliamsmb @ Jul 12 2009, 07:19 PM) *
Wow! I figured the Darren Brown thing out just before he revealed it and I bet (pun intended) he placed a 4 thousand pound wager on every horse in that race.

Excellent point, lunk.


Probably, that's why he asked her how much she bet on the horse, before the race, and bought the ticket(s) himself.
...but then, how did he switch her ticket, for the winner?
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post Jul 15 2009, 11:52 PM
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OK, thought of the day.

Each of us is an expression of life,
in our own unique way.
No different, than a particular cat or flower.
But, we, as human beings, have the ability to consciously change our future,
beyond that of a plant or bug.

A human can solve a problem,
that most other life forms would just have to live with.
In this sense, people are above the plant, animal, and bug kingdoms,
yet, fundamentally, a result of it.
There is a natural place for everything, and purpose, for every things' existence, in the sense, it was necessary for everything else to exist,
where it does exist.

An eco-system that deemed it necessary,
to create you, to somehow carry on its' existence.

That's the puzzle.
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