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Why Do You All Support Ron Paul The Way You Do?

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post Apr 14 2008, 05:17 PM
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Votes don't really count anymore, do they... results are pre-determined and the votes are adjusted to fit.
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post Apr 15 2008, 06:05 PM
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Oceansflow,

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Yes, good discussion!
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post Apr 16 2008, 09:24 PM
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In case anyone is interested in listening to a REAL Presidential candidate.

An Inconvenient Woman

Remember there IS a 4th person running for President
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post Jul 5 2008, 10:58 AM
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Kucinich and Paul were only similar in regards to the war.

Otherwise, they are political opposites. Kucinich is pretty far left, and supports bigger government, higher taxes, and more spending. He supports the nanny state, where citizens are reliant on their government to save them from whatever is causing strife in their lives. That kind of philosophy breeds apathy and ignorance, and weakens the population because most people feel powerless over themselves ultimately. It restricts people from taking responsibility for themselves.

Paul is pretty far right, and supports a government limited by the restraints clearly written in the constitution. He supports much less regulation, much less intervention in the market, and sound currency not backed merely by debt and faith.

Someone here said that they feel both Kucinich and Paul followed the consitution, but I'm not quite sure that's possible. The constitution, if you interpret it directly, does not allow for the size of the bureacracy we currently have. Nowhere in it does it mention the government having control over energy or education, for instance. Kucinich favors the bureaucracy as it stands, and even favors adding yet another cabinet dept. called Dept. of Peace. I've never seen him challenge the Fed or the policy of unbacked, inflated fiat currency. I would imagine he favors that, because he would not be able to afford a bureaucracy of this size with a currency restrained by the amount of gold or silver backing it.

That's why our money was meant to be backed by something of value. With fiat currency, money can be created at will to spend on military escapades and entitlement bribes to citizens who should be earning their own money through hard work, and living within their means.

Kucinich is great on the war, but the war is nowhere near the only thing going on that's unconstitutional.

"Provide for the general welfare of the United States". That does not mean inflate a paper currency into worthlessness to spend on anything you want.

The federal government is clearly overstepping its constitutional bounds, and it has been for a long time. Kucinich just doesn't challenge that nearly enough. We do not need nanny state socialism in this country.
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post Jul 5 2008, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Apr 12 2008, 06:05 PM) *
I think what happened is that he did so well at first that he got the smell of victory in his nostrils. He thought he might actually get the nomination. Being in the Republican camp, he (and his advisors) likely thought it would be a good idea to back off and use the 'blowback' tactic.

I think that was a flawed political decision on his part. What people want right now is complete honesty, and we know that 'blowback' is BS.

How is blowback BS?

You don't think that our international interventionism and aggression over the years has caused hatred for this country?

Regardless if 9/11 was an inside job or not, there are still REAL foreign enemies of this country. Somewhere, right now, there are people in other countries and ours that would like nothing more than to blow up a city. Perhaps the CIA finds them and uses them to their advantage, but there is still the clear and present fact that our foreign policy has created many enemies.

Paul said it himself. He said that in the beginning he didn't have much hope for the campaign, and was reluctant to even do it. But as time went on, and he saw the support grow the way it did, he gained new hope.

Perhaps he really did start thinking he had a chance. But I think he knows what's going on around him. He understands that false flag attacks are real and that there is even historical precedence. I can't imagine he doesn't know something is wrong about 9/11. What he does know though, is that 9/11 truth would not have gotten him more support, much less an election.

He didn't set out to spread 9/11 truth, he set out to run for president of the United States of America so that he could make a difference in the issues that he was passionate about. Many of those issues, every single one of us on here agrees with.

Don't fault him for being quiet about 9/11 truth. That wasn't his intended purpose to begin with. He deserves the utmost amount of respect for doing what he did in the first place. He made a major impact on this country, and what happened in Nevada is a perfect example.

Why not just be happy about each baby step that is achieved?
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post Jul 5 2008, 11:30 AM
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Hi mo fiya! Great to see you.

Of course many around the world hate the US. Can't blame them for that. But blowback was not the reason that 9/11 happened imo. It was designed to look like that though, and Dr Paul, imo, fell for it.

If he knows different, then shame on him. I've had it with lies from politicians, no matter how much I might agree with most of what they say. If we continue to buy into the game of deception that they play just to get elected, then we deserve what we get. The uncritical and uninformed love that Obama is getting is a great example.

I have no hope at all that there are any answers in politics. The system itself is so coopted and corrupted there is no way that any relief will come from that direction. We have to find our answers and actions elsewhere.

I do understand your thoughts though, and I believe that each individual should fight the good fight the way they see fit.
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post Jul 5 2008, 01:08 PM
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Dennis Kucinich questions the federal reserve








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post Jul 5 2008, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (André @ Jul 3 2008, 03:08 PM) *
Dennis Kucinich questions the federal reserve


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It's great that he's paying lip service, but he's not a stupid man. He knows that he would never be able to have all the social programs he advocates, and all the bureaucracy he feels is the answer to the country's problems, if the purse was limited to the amount of gold or silver available to back the currency.

The purpose of backing currency with something finite and of constant value, is to reign in the spending and maintain a prosperous economy with GROWING purchasing power, not DECREASING.

How would Kucinich get all that he supports with a sound currency backed by gold, for instance?

Remember when FDR took everyone's gold? Remember back when the New Deal began the nanny state, and that it was realized that it wouldn't have been possible without inflating the money supply? Even when there still WAS a gold standard, they were STILL printing up more money. They realized they couldn't get away with it anymore, and maintain Dollar hegemony around the world, so they simply canned the gold standard altogether in '71.

Kucinich's platform couldn't exist without an entity like the Fed printing money at will.

Big government liberals need all the cash they can get their hands on. I like Kucinich because I agree that the military empire must stop, but I don't agree with his far left liberalism. It's time people got back to taking responsibility for themselves and quit waiting for the government to do it for you.
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post Jul 5 2008, 02:16 PM
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"Why Do You All Support Ron Paul The Way You Do?"

Paul's a respected congressman who wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve ... what's not to like? I like Kuchinich too, I like his passion and I feel he's honest and wants to be on the right side ... but I feel he still hasn't quite figured it all out yet.
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post Jul 5 2008, 04:27 PM
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"How would Kucinich get all that he supports with a sound currency backed by gold, for instance?"

I don't believe he is promoting the return to a gold standard, and rightly so, and I would be suspicious of any politician that would support such a policy. While this is still the plutocracy the founding fathers envisioned, some things have changed, the complexity of life today makes retreat impossible, you either engage and make representative government work or you leave it to corporations and Jesus to run your life.

I feel there is a total disconnect to reality of RP and DK supporters, one is just the repackaging of an old product, the other promises something he cannot possibly deliver.




welcome back, mo fiya !
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post Jul 6 2008, 06:22 PM
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The Question Is Not Ron Paul,
just our Resolve to Enforce the Declaration and the Constitution.

End this continued Destruction of these two Legal Contracts created for “We the People”.
Statute Laws have breached the Contract, now States have the Legal Right to Succession.

All basic U.S. Constitutional Rights are being CHANGED into Privileges Without Amendments or State Ratification, and yet “We the People” remain silent.

OK, so Stay Silent, Don’t Vote, Stay Home.

The next Administration will soon “Change” our few remaining Rights into Privileges.

So Now You have, WHAT You WANTED.
No Rights, just a Privilege to be able to Live!
Go for it; Pass these Privileges onto your Posterity by your Vote, or.


Don’t Vote for EVIL or the LESSER thereof,
Don’t Vote at all, Stay Home!
Make Your Vote Count for our Constitutional Rights.

Your Choice is Simple, Constitutional Rights or Federal Privileges?
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post Jul 7 2008, 01:56 AM
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I would vote for the abolishment of all governments.
...if I could.
but I don't think that this choice is really offered,
on any ballot.
And if it was,
it would probably get vetoed anyway.


So the concept of not voting,
especially, where this option is unavailable,
becomes rational and reasonable.


imo, lunk
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post Jul 7 2008, 12:24 PM
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Without a complete overhaul of the US Government, ousting virtually every single Congress critter except maybe Kucinich, Paul, Sanders and "maybe" 1 or 2 others like Feingold then it does not matter at all whom gets S-elected to be pResident because they would accomplish NOTHING at all.

What needs to happen is a full blown grass roots campaign to oust about 530 out of 535 incumbent Congress Critters, especially those like Pelosi, Reid and of course ALL Rethuglicans sans Paul which is not really a rethuglican anyway unless you are using the pre 1960's definition of Republican. Today's Rethuglicans are full blown Theocratic Fascist.

Congress needs to be replaced with mostly Green Party & Independent candidates that will make real changes and are FOR the bottom 98%.

At least someone like Cynthia McKinney would get in front of the American people on national TV and speak the truth and tell it exactly like it is, explain why nothing can change as long as 99% of Congress is bought and paid for by Big Oil and the top 2%.
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post Dec 5 2008, 11:38 PM
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I agree, great discussion. The only thing is that, I fear that we are fighting a losing battle. The "Corporatocracy" has a strangle hold on this country. They own our food, our fuel, our buildings, our banks, our politicians, our military officers, and most importanly.. our media. The use of the internet only goes so far. The reason I say this is, I have been an avid net surfer before and after 2001; yet I only first heard of this incredible cover-up while visiting a friend in New York City on vacation. I guess what I am saying is; if people are not presented the information on the television, chances are they are not going to look it up on their own. And truth be told, most Americans dont -want- to know. They are very content living in their own little worlds, where there government is the most honest and trustworthy persons they know and anyone who questions that reality is a quack - a distraction from the "truth." The truth being; the World as it is -supposed- to be viewed in order to be accepted in society, the "norm" if you will. Americans, in general, are completely happy with this state of reality. They don't want to hear about the fact that 40-50% of the world lives off of less than two dollars a day. They don't want to know that their government would kill its own civilians in order to secure their own financial interets over seas. They have no interest in knowing the truth, because the truth would undo reality for them; and they are perfectly content in the reality they live in, because they themselves are not forced to work and live off of two dollars a day. The reason they can live the way they do is because of systems in place the way they are- changing them, they fear, would only make things worse.

So, life goes on; and the voices of those who would try to change a system which has been in place for hundreds of years will drowned out into the blip of time. Don't you get it? If Ron Paul "did" win the election - he would probably be dealt with in days. The attacks on 9-11-2001 proves that corruption, deceipt, and conspiracy not only still exist, but are rich and thriving! (Even getting better as time goes on; though the story teller from 9-11 could use some coaching) It's a sad state of reality; and one which brings tears to the untrained or unprepared eyes. This is a harsh World we live in and I will spend my life, like most of you, trying to do my part to change it.

I hope our time is not in vain.
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Great Post GWeezy. I really think you nailed reality of the present day world. I used to be one of "those" in their own little world. Even that seemed overwhelming many times. Thanks to getting older, and angrier(is that a word?)at so many injustices in the world I sought out information on the internet. That is, "truthful" information". Which with all the disinformation out there was a little harder than I thought. I really feel extremely fortunate to have stumbled into Pilots for 9/11 Truth and the brilliant,compassionate,and courageous people here. I have been awakened and have learned more than I ever imagined. The people hear are truely "the cream of the crop".

Over time alot of my anger has turned to sadness with "shock" of reality. Just when I think I've heard it all something else come along. I am presently going through shock again as I am 2/3's of the way through Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine". Then the cycle begins...anger than saddness. I have to get out of this rut and be positive and preach the truth wherever I go.

Whatever happened to that "golden" rule most of us were taught when we were young. You know the "treat people how you would like people to treat you".

peace and love (I guess I'm just an old hippy at heart)

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post Dec 6 2008, 05:17 PM
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Welcome, GWeezy, great post by the way.

I figure this being a thread about Ron Paul, it's as good a place as any to post this - I stumbled on it today ...

http://opencurrency.com/

and this ...

http://www.communitydollar.net/

I notice that the whole thing is decentralized by design ... harder for the Feds to shut the whole thing down like they did the Liberty Dollar idea.
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