Rationing Us To Death: The Real Green Agenda!, Fraud of global warming Options

[Quest]

Of course, this is just a personal perception.
perhaps a cloud just follows me around.

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[Quest]

You beat me to it, T.O. I believe the Chemtrail phenomenon is being used to promote the b.s. idea that planes and car travel are causing the skies to appear "dirty". However, another purpose and maybe the main one is the weaponization of weather.

I also believe the weaponization of weather is why it, the myth of global warming, is soooo important to the 911 perps. If global warming is dismantled (it has been), then there goes "plausible deniability" for muddy skies and flash storms with severe winds and floods that coinicidently hit towns that organize and become pests to the NWO. The subsequent storm floods or wind storms that hit the town and destroys homes and lives will then be blamed on "global warming".

Chemtrails will also be used to destroy produce that will eventually be replaced by Monsanto crops.

Bottom line? Global warming is the "cover" or plausible denial for the weaponization of weather and it's many uses.

Waking Up The Farmers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43r01SttgzI

Geoengineers - Weather modification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxRWHMSZNZ0

HAARP - Nature Modification Weapon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPusHeDlBxQ...feature=related

Geoengineering and Eugenics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2zKui1Zm_k...feature=related

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[Omega892R09]

Omega, 2 questions;

1. Have the elite ever suggested using 'global warming' as a hoax to usher in their NWO agenda?

That suggests that you think they have.

Whatever, it isnt relevant as global warming is not a hoax.

Scientists understand how increasing CO2 causes warming (quantim mechanics, thermodynamics, black body radiation balance and lapse rates) and how much of the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is from human activities (isotopic analysis).

Also, as you should have noticed by now the Arctic ice is melting aways warmer year by warmer year. Note the temperature rise at the poles is much higher that else where. That is why global average increases does not rule out some areas experiencing cooling.

What you have not grasped is that your elite are themselves various factions, some sure are intent on increasing their graps on humanity. Others would like to challenge this group but that group hold a number of strong cards - remember JFK.

I would like you to read this and consider:

Presidential scholars: Bush is the worst president of the modern era, bottom five of all time

and pay particular attention to this comment:

Richard Brenne says:
July 2, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Let’s compare presidents:

WORST ON ENERGY: George W. Bush, followed by Reagan, who lulled us into hypnotic complacency when cheap Alaskan and North Sea oil coincidentally came on-line.

WORST ON PEAK OIL AND ENERGY INDEPENDENCE: Same order. Literally held hands with Saudi royals and figuratively, well, this is a family blog.

WORST ON CLIMATE CHANGE: Same order. Added to above energy issues being so in bed with fossil fuels and opposed to renewables because of it.

Bush had his administration censor climate change science as much as they could, when no other president has ever censored science about anything to anywhere near the same degree.

WORST ON SCIENCE: Maybe Reagan was also anti-science where it didn’t suit him, but I can’t think of any other president even remotely as anti-science as George W. Bush. Thomas Jefferson, who was a world-class scientist in many fields and who founded what has since become NOAA, must have spun enough in his grave during the Bush Administration to power most of the Eastern Seaboard.

MOST RACIST: Woodrow Wilson from Georgia showed “Birth of a Nation” in the White House. This is D.W. Griffith’s 1915 movie that advanced film technique two decades while setting race relations back three. The film quoted Wilson’s “History of the American People” and Wilson said the movie was true even though it glorified and created a huge resurgence of the KKK.

But the entire country was infinitely more racist then. In the 2000 election the Bush campaign sent pictures of the McCain family with their dark-skinned adopted daughter and then push-polled by calling rural (and presumably racist) South Carolina voters, “Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain if you knew he’d had a black love-child with a black prostitute?” and that helped Bush carry South Carolina after he’d lost New Hampshire by 20 points in the primary.

The Bush campaign did everything they possible could to disenfranchise and intimidate black voters (since 90 per cent voted for Gore and then Kerry) especially in 2000 in Florida and 2004 in Ohio. State troopers were used to pull over black voters; they were told they were at the wrong polls, the lines at mostly-black polling places extended for many hours, etc.

Bush showed such deep uncaring for the mostly black and poor victims of Katrina, 1800 dying, mostly unnecessarily, that this uncaring actually seems more like outright contempt.

So while Woodrow Wilson and Andrew Jackson might have been more racist, compared to the averages of their time Bush might be the most racist president of all.

MOST SADISTIC: Bush appeared to relish the torture of terrorist suspects and did everything in his power to allow and promote such torture. I don’t know of another pro-torture president. This moves history into a new and extremely dangerous position, because taking the nation from anti-torture to pro-torture means that if future terrorism or wars affect far more Americans, far more enemies and suspects could be tortured at various points in the future, possibly with totals in the millions. Every single future torture could be traced back to Bush and Cheney doing everything they could to encourage the use of torture.

MOST CORRUPT: Historian Kevin Phillips feels that no president ever had a relationship with any corporation or business that was anything like as corrupt and ultimately destructive as George W. Bush and his father president George H.W. Bush both had with Enron, which played an immense part in the Bush Administration’s energy policy.

MOST CORRUPT VICE-PRESIDENT: No VP except Dick Cheney has come into the administration as CEO of a company (Halliburton) that was then awarded billions in contracts, including no-bid contracts in Iraq, a completely unnecessary war Bush and Cheney created by lying to all Americans. While Bush wanted to settle family business and Rove wanted Bush re-elected (no sitting president during wartime had failed to win re-election), Cheney wanted to destroy a nation so that his Halliburton could make untold billions “rebuilding” it. Halliburton has been paid these billions, but Iraq’s infrastructure is a tiny fraction of what it was before the U.S. invasion in 2003.

WORST VICE-PRESIDENT: Well, Aaron Burr killed Alexander Hamilton in an illegal duel, fled, then later ran off and tried to create an empire with himself as emperor in the Mexican North and American West. That’s pretty bad.

But Cheney shot an old guy in the face (who oddly only apologized to Cheney) and pulled more puppet strings than any VP ever in creating two American wars and an unprecedented degree of global empire.

WORST SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: Cheney called Rumsfeld the best American Secretary of Defense ever, and since the truth is invariably the opposite of what anyone in this administration ever said, that’s enough evidence right there to make him the worst. Also Rumsfeld sent soldiers into combat without body armor, and Hummers and countless other vehicles onto IED-laden roads without armor, killing and crippling thousands of American soldiers needlessly.

WORST ATTORNEY GENERALS: Ashcroft and Salazar, the latter censured more than any other Attorney General, the former committing crimes against American civil liberties, especially his singing.

WORST NEEDLESS INFRINGEMENT OF CIVIL LIBERTIES: The Patriot Act was the least-patriotic piece of legislation ever passed and more Americans were spied on in more ways during the Bush Administration than during the Civil War and World War II put together, which were infinitely larger threats to our government and people.

MOST SECRETIVE AND LEAST TRANSPARENT: John Dean said that the Bush Administration was far more secretive and scarily non-transparent than Nixon’s Watergate-era administration that Dean was so familiar with.

MOST FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE: No other president ever cut taxes – mostly for the richest – while going into such debt to pay more for the most unnecessary of wars. Took America’s biggest-ever surplus and turned it into America’s biggest debt.

MOST OILY: Both Bush and Cheney were oilmen, Bush through the majority of what is laughingly called a “career”, where he drilled dry holes but got funding and salaries for peddling his father’s influence from the time Bush Senior was Congressman through VP to President.

MOST COWARDLY AND HYPOCRITICAL: Clinton always opposed the war in Vietnam, where Gore served and Kerry was a hero who later opposed the war with equal heroism and moral courage. Bush and Cheney strongly supported the war in Vietnam while Bush jumped the line into the National Guard he later went AWOL from. Cheney took five deferments to avoid going to a war he supported and wanted those less privileged to fight. No other presidents or VPs come to mind that so strongly supported a war they both refused to fight.

MOST WAR-MONGERING: No other president led us into such an unnecessary war as our current one in Iraq under such false pretenses and with so many lies. Saddam’s government had no WMD or ties to Al-Qaeda.

DUMBEST: Bush out-dumbs even Warren Harding, which is incredible.

LEAST IMPRESSIVE BEFORE AND AFTER HIS PRESIDENCY: As Ronald Reagan Junior said, “What was Bush’ accomplishment? That he was an obnoxious drunk?” Bush was mostly just that up to age 40, and he never achieved one meaningful thing without relying on the influence of his father to get there.

MOST LIKE A CLASSIC COPPOLA FILM: So Bush Senior developed a corrupt family business, then set up a colleague as head of his own family business in Iraq, Saddam Hussein. When Hussein got uppity, Bush Senior tried to take him out, then Hussein tried to take Bush Senior out, then Bush Junior took over the family business and took out Hussein.

Isn’t that the script from The Godfather? And how did Fredo become president?

CONCLUSION: Looking at the evidence, your honor, I’d say that George W. Bush is our worst president ever, and I invite my fellow historians to re-examine the evidence, and using jargon that I hope is not too historian-specific, pull their heads out.

2. What do you make of the Chemtrail phenomenon?

Water vapour forms with the burning of any fuel and if at the correct height then this will condense leaving a trail.

The altitude that such condensation happens is where the condensation will more likely aid cooling than warming.

It should be noted that the troposphere is warming and warming the planet and the stratosphere is cooling. If warming was due to a change in solar output then the stratosphere would be warming too. Also the night time temperature anomalies are greater than day time ones. Once again this belies any notion that its the sun.

If science was as broken as some like to make you believe then airplanes would fall out of the sky much more often, your computer wouldn't work and all manner of other everyday things would not be around to irritate us.

[Omega892R09]

I'm not Omega but I think you might find this article interesting Quest and Lunk, It's from Prison Planet which isn't the BBC so Omega won't like it. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/scientists-adm...ial-clouds.html

You are a joker TO.

Maybe, just maybe, the materials in vapour trails are particles worn off the engine structure. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif) Also turbo fans these days burn much more efficiently and generate commensurately more water vapour.

I nearly spluttered over my keyboard with this gem from Fred Singer:

Fred Singer, president of the Science Environmental Policy Project and a skeptic of man-made global warming theories, warns that the consequences of tinkering with the planet’s delicate eco-system could have far-reaching dangers.

“If you do this on a continuous basis, you would depress the ozone layer and cause all kinds of other problems that people would rather avoid,” said Singer.

Since when was Fred Singer interested in the truth on matters of pollution. Searchg out his history of employ by the tobacco industry, Naomi Oreskes book cited earlier is a good place to go.

As for Alex Jones I am beginning to consider him has an agent provocateur. Note how they left him free to try to incite others to civil disobedience. What was that realy all about?

...far stronger than the piss weak circumstantial evidence for AGW.

You are not even wrong, stop being such a Dorothy!

At least chemtarails have a solid reproducible mechanism to support their existence.

Its called combustion.

EDIT: tpyo

This post has been edited by Omega892R09: Jul 4 2010, 08:28 AM

[lunk]

The greatest threat and blessing, to the Earth is the sun.
The predicted sunspot-cycle, that has been very accurate, until now,
is predicting more spots, than the sun has.
Also, i have personally counted 8 objects, sun-grazing comets or fragments,
fly into the sun this year. Until, now, apparently a very rare event.
And the coronal mass ejections, some huge, have been happening almost weekly.

Other planets millions of miles away from the sun are experiencing atmospheric changes, never seen before.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

under a little green cloud,
the weather is all wonky,
and we (people), are told (we) people,
are to blame.

Rather, it looks to me, like the sun is building up to something,
and possibly has been, for a long, long, time,
and, rarely, regularly, once again,
is about to twinkle.

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[Timothy Osman]

I had to look up two things after reading Omega's post, who the hell Fred Singer was what was his relationship to Dorothy the dinosaur.

Scientists understand how increasing CO2 causes warming (quantim mechanics, thermodynamics, black body radiation balance and lapse rates) and how much of the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is from human activities (isotopic analysis).

These same scientists when pushing the CO2 hoax deliberately distort the logarithmic and not linear effect of CO2 to further the agenda, in fact these scientists understood so well the piss weak performance of the magic molecule alone they had to give it magical powers of persuasion over water molecules in the atmosphere, luckily they were proven to be fraudsters a year ago.

I'm prepared to theorize about chemtrails and not dismiss them out of hand like someone who knows everything in the universe in black and white, left and right terms. We know for a fact that their are ruthless bastards in control, they were the radicals of the 60's and 70's and have risen to power in just about every think tank, Parliament and ruthless bastard headquarters on Earth.
We also know that they're not immune to their own poisons as the they found out in Gulf War 1 when all the depleted uranium contaminated dust settled on Buckinghuge palace, Rio Tinto's largest shareholder can't have been amused.
My advice is to get on a course of multi vitamins and eat as much good real food as possible, filter your water where they add poison to the supply and get out of debt if possible.

[Omega892R09]

I had to look up two things after reading Omega's post, who the hell Fred Singer was what was his relationship to Dorothy the dinosaur.

Well. WRT Fred Singer, that is what comes of not knowing the history of science and global warming and the history of those who have tried to delay action for financial and/or ideological reasons. As for Dorothy that is a reference to 'The Wizard of Oz' with the implication that you Dorothys here cannot see who is realy behind the disinformation you wish to believe. Seriously folks, if you displayed the same level of willful ignorance WRT the events of 9/11 here then you would be rapidly shown the door.

Here is a newly prepared article on some of the science:

A simple recipe for GHE

and here is debunk of a newly minted example of the sort of disinformation coming from those who you should be identifying as the moraly (and perhaps criminally) culpable:

Archibald’s take on world temperatures

These same scientists when pushing the CO2 hoax deliberately distort the logarithmic and not linear effect of CO2 to further the agenda,

FFS Writes he who hasn't a clue about that to which he refers. Which scientists use a linear description of the effects of increasing quantities of CO2? Answer NONE! Besides consider that the CO2 window broadens as it becomes more saturated taking a bigger chunk out of the area under the curve which must then inflate (i.e. tropospheric temperatures rise) to renew the balance between incoming and outgoing radiation.

It is clear that you have not tried to understand any of the science.

in fact these scientists understood so well the piss weak performance of the magic molecule alone they had to give it magical powers of persuasion over water molecules in the atmosphere, luckily they were proven to be fraudsters a year ago.

I take it that here you are referring to climategate and other little 'pathetic-attempts-at-confusing-the-public-gates' that followed. It should be noted that the Sunday Times has had to retract the article that kicked off one of those latter.

Climategate was a manufactured brouhaha to derail Copenhagen and anybody with a shred of honesty who has studied the emails in contexts knows how malignant was the intent of the perpetrators. Delay on action against climate change is going to cost us all dear.

I'm prepared to theorize about chemtrails and not dismiss them out of hand like someone who knows everything in the universe in black and white, left and right terms.

Did I dismiss them out of hand? No! Try to improve your comprehension skills.

Just because I happen to have actually studied this issue is no excuse for you harranging me because you have not.

We know for a fact that their are ruthless bastards in control, they were the radicals of the 60's and 70's and have risen to power in just about every think tank,

And those think tanks happen to include in their number CATO, Heartland, CEI, George C Marshal etc. etc. all supporting denier-delayer speakers on tours and meeting around the globe. Get a grip on reality folks!

My advice is to get on a course of multi vitamins and eat as much good real food as possible, filter your water where they add poison to the supply and get out of debt if possible.

And my advice is to learn something about the topic in hand before venting your spleen all over especially the role of deniers and think tanks - these are the ones you should be angry with - those who have fooled you aided and abetted by those in Murdoch's echo chamber, you should know who they are and be warned:

The denial industry case notes

and on Fred Singer here is an entry point, follow the trails TO:

No apology is owed Dr. S. Fred Singer, and none will be forthcoming

Search on Naomi Oreskes and watch a presentation by her and read her book 'Merchants of Doubt'.

Of course its easier to pretend that global warming isn't happening, and if it is its nowt to do with us (a denier flip-flop point) as then we can carry on our lives and ignore reality.

Cryosphere TO, cryosphere! See links in earlier posts above and beyond.

[lunk]

i wonder what the "optical depth" of CO2 gas is...

[Quest]

Omega, interesting connections there with your "warming" guru, Jim Hoggan. He is trustee of the "Dalai Lama Centre for Peace and Education", huh?

http://hoggan.com/people/client-services-team/jim-hoggan

He is a law school graduate with a long-standing interest in social justice and an author and expert in Canadian attitudes towards sustainability and environment. Jim is the Chair of Canada's most influential environmental organization, the David Suzuki Foundation and trustee of the Dalai Lama Centre for Peace and Education.

http://rwor.org/a/firstvol/tibet/cia5.htm

The Dalai Lama and the CIA
Revolutionary Worker #765, July 17, 1994

Shortly after the 1949 victory of Maoist forces against the U.S.-backed dictator Chiang Kai-shek, the revolution came to Tibet. The ruling class of Tibet--a feudal class of aristocrats and monks--alternated wildly between passivity and resistance.

Starting in 1957, sections of their class participated in a series of armed anti-communist actions--attempting to stop the deepening revolutionary changes in Tibet. Lamaist propagandists, including the Dalai Lama himself, portray these actions as a noble, home-grown resistance to foreign domination.

The truth is this: from its beginning within Tibet in the 1950s to the armed feudalist uprising of 1959, to the armed exile-based guerrilla movement of the 1960s--this "struggle" was organized, financed, trained, armed, led, and finally dispersed by the CIA.

In the old days, the Dalai Lama was a figurehead of an oppressive feudal order. In exile, he became the figurehead of a Tibetan CIA-backed, anticommunist armed movement headed by his brother, Gyalo Thondup--similar to so many "contra" (counterrevolutionary) armies the CIA has created to wage covert wars.

It seems Jim Hoggan keeps some interesting company.

Omega, didn't you also post a link a while back to an article that referenced a FED subsidized organization that pushed global warming but also pushed the absurd idea that Admiral Byrd found Nazis in a hollow earth from an entrance in the south pole? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Why are you promoting this CIA/spook crap?

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[Sanders]

Thank you Quest (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Haha ... the "Dalai Lama Centre for Peace and Education"! Kinda like, the "Carnegie Endowment for International Peace".

[lunk]

Of course, there will be peace,
...without people.

Nothing but volcanoes and forest fires,
to create the CO2, and nobody to complain.

Eventually the Earth will become a natural evolved utopia,
with nobody left to appreciate it.

...except, perhaps, omega

[Quest]

Thank you Quest (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Haha ... the "Dalai Lama Centre for Peace and Education"! Kinda like, the "Carnegie Endowment for International Peace".

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[Omega892R09]

Omega, interesting connections there with your "warming" guru, Jim Hoggan. He is trustee of the "Dalai Lama Centre for Peace and Education", huh?

http://hoggan.com/people/client-services-team/jim-hoggan

What is so wrong with that. Note this from Sourcewatch:

James Hoggan

He helped establish the Suzuki Foundation Business Council on Sustainability to encourage collaboration between the environmental and business communities. Jim’s interest in climate change and his commitment to practicing ethical public relations converged recently in the creation of the popular website DeSmogBlog. The blog exists to identify unethical PR tactics and to expose the PR people who are trying to confuse the public about climate change." [1]

and

David Suzuki Foundation

The David Suzuki Foundation (DSF) has, "since 1990 ... worked to find ways for society to live in balance with the natural world that sustains us. Focusing on four program areas – oceans and sustainable fishing, climate change and clean energy, sustainability, and the Nature Challenge - the Foundation uses science and education to promote solutions that conserve nature and help achieve sustainability within a generation."

What is so evil about all that unless:

http://rwor.org/a/firstvol/tibet/cia5.htm

you wish to believe some BS crap you happened on in some corner of the internet.

That is the trouble with you guys your information filters are so FUBARED you have lost the ability to think rationally, to you there is a NWO conspiracy at every turn.

It is of course dead easy to just keep spouting all manner of unsubstantiated allegations repeatedly than actual do some work and study the reality of this issue and how you have allowed the likes of Inhofe, Morano, Malloy, Monckton, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly carry on spreading the disinformation that spewed out of the likes of Sietz, and Singer who have a notorious reputation fore refuting things like ozone depletion, acid rain and the dangers of second hand tobacco smoke. These are the real moral criminals in any conspiracy here. Their efforts in delaying action on those issues killed millions and millions more will die from the climate changes that are already upon us.
You really need to get a grip on how this issue has been clouded by those paying to fog the issue - hint the same people that have allowed the gulf and Alaska to be polluted and others to die from the effects of coal mining and burning.

As Desmog put it:

Who We Are

The DeSmogBlog Project began in January 2006 and quickly became the world’s number one source for accurate, fact based information regarding Global Warming misinformation campaigns.

Our articles and stories are routinely highlighted in the world’s most popular news blogs: New York Times DotEarth, Huffington Post, Daily Kos, ThinkProgress, and Treehugger. The DeSmogBlog recently won the Canadian Public Relation Society’s Communication Leadership in Communcation award and was voted Canada’s “Best Group Blog” by their peers.

The successes of the DeSmogBlog have attracted the attention of the media in North America and the UK. We have generated stories in major traditional media outlets; The New York Times, The UK Guardian, The BBC, The Globe and Mail, Associated Press and the CBC. In our capacity as research experts in Global Warming misinformation campaigns we have assisted major media such as ABC News, Associated Press, BBC World Service and the Globe and Mail in the development of Global Warming story ideas and content.

The DeSmogBlog team is led by Jim Hoggan, founder of James Hoggan & Associates, one of Canada's leading public relations firms. By training a lawyer, by inclination a ski instructor and cyclist, Jim Hoggan believes that integrity and public relations should not be at odds – that a good public reputation generally flows from a record of responsible actions. His client list includes real estate development companies, high tech firms, pharmaceutical, forest industry giants, resorts and academic institutions. He is also a Board Member of the David Suzuki Foundation.

You can go here to read Jim's popular DeSmogBlog manifesto: Slamming the Skeptic Scam.

The DeSmogBlog team is especially grateful to our benefactor John Lefebvre, a lawyer, internet entrepreneur and past-president of NETeller, a firm that has been providing secure online transactions since 1999. John has been outspoken, uncompromising and courageous in challenging those who would muddy the climate change debate, and he has enabled and inspired the same standard on the blog.

Editorial Assistance on the blog is provided by renowned author Ross Gelbspan and by Richard Littlemore, an award-winning science and magazine writer, a speechwriter and a senior counsellor at Hoggan. Kevin Grandia oversees the project as a whole and manages the social media and online marketing components.

What We Do

DeSmogBlog exists to clear the PR pollution that is clouding the science on climate change.

An overwhelming majority of the world’s climate scientists agree that the globe is warming - the world's climate is changing - and that the indiscriminate burning of fossil fuels is to blame. We know that the risks are incalculable and, increasingly, we understand that the solutions are affordable.

Unfortunately, a well-funded and highly organized public relations campaign is poisoning the climate change debate. Using tricks and stunts that unsavory PR firms invented for the tobacco lobby, energy-industry contrarians are trying to confuse the public, to forestall individual and political actions that might cut into exorbitant coal, oil and gas industry profits. DeSmogBlog is here to cry foul - to shine the light on techniques and tactics that reflect badly on the PR industry and are, ultimately, bad for the planet.

Apart from Hoggan 'Climate Cover Up' here are two other books that peel back the covers of the roaches clouding the global warming isssue:

Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming

The Climate War: True Believers, Power Brokers, and the Fight to Save the Earth

It seems Jim Hoggan keeps some interesting company.

Interesting? Please qualify.

Omega, didn't you also post a link a while back to an article that referenced a FED subsidized organization that pushed global warming but also pushed the absurd idea that Admiral Byrd found Nazis in a hollow earth from an entrance in the south pole? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Not I. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/bullshit.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Why are you promoting this CIA/spook crap?

Why do you persist in avoiding learning the truth about this issue instead of that crap coming from now proven bullshitters.

Perhaps you have not been paying attention to the news lately. That is the only excuse for your continued ignorance about nature's begining kick back.

You do realise that we have yet to see all the warming that will result from the huge amounts of CO2 already pumped into the atmosphere for it takes time for the systems to readjust, the systems are always playing catch-up as we continue to increase the amounts of carbon pushed into the atmosphere.

Even as far back as Linden Johnson the coming global warming problem was recognised and by the late 1980s the science was backing it up. Then the likes of Singer et. al. kicked in with a proven disinformation campaign which has had the obvious effect. Some Americans are so confused they think global warming is a scam and that cap and trade is a tax on citizens. Well both of those positions are only tenable by the ignorant.

[Omega892R09]

Haha ... the "Dalai Lama Centre for Peace and Education"! Kinda like, the "Carnegie Endowment for International Peace".

Laugh as much as you like, you are not even wrong!

[Omega892R09]

i wonder what the "optical depth" of CO2 gas is...

?

[Quest]

Omega, feel free to keep flailing away. There is no ignoring the FACT of the Hoggan/Dali Lama/CIA connection. Try as you will, this won't go away.

This post has been edited by Quest: Jul 7 2010, 11:16 PM

[Sanders]

Laugh as much as you like, you are not even wrong!

Laugh as much as I like, I'm not "even" wrong? What does that mean?


The Carnegie Endowment was one of the important institutions which conspired to hijack America, circa before the first World War. The Carnegie Endowment was closely linked with the founders of the CFR and the Federal Reserve, Elihu Root headed both the CFR and the Carnegie Endowment. The corporate and bood-hiers of this faction are the people behind the Global Warming scam - they want One World Government, James Warburg said so in front of the US Senate in 1950, and the whole Climate Change scam is a means of tapping countries to fund it. Thanks to Climate-gate and the gradual waking up of the people of the world that the world is actually cooling and that this is all propoganda, they (the elite) hit a speed-bump.

They are trying hard to hide the scandal and get past it and pass legislation in various countries to tax us for our CO2 emmissions, but happily they haven't yet duped us all.

[Quest]

Laugh as much as I like, I'm not "even" wrong? What does that mean?


The Carnegie Endowment was one of the important institutions which conspired to hijack America, circa before the first World War. The Carnegie Endowment was closely linked with the founders of the CFR and the Federal Reserve, Elihu Root headed both the CFR and the Carnegie Endowment. The corporate and bood-hiers of this faction are the people behind the Global Warming scam - they want One World Government, James Warburg said so in front of the US Senate in 1950, and the whole Climate Change scam is a means of tapping countries to fund it. Thanks to Climate-gate and the gradual waking up of the people of the world that the world is actually cooling and that this is all propoganda, they (the elite) hit a speed-bump.

They are trying hard to hide the scandal and get past it and pass legislation in various countries to tax us for our CO2 emmissions, but happily they haven't yet duped us all.

Exactly.

Also, the climate scam is how the "right" (media, military and neocons) is trying to get the pro-environment US "left", which was formerly anti-war, on board with the genocide of the Iraqis, Afghanis, and soon Iranians in the middle-east. It's all too obvious that the neocons and military are trying to make war and genocide look "green" and "pro-environment" by inference when in reality, the US military is the biggest concern and polluter in the western hemisphere - if not the world (see depleted uranium and aluminum/barium-laden chemtrails). In effect, the neocons are giving the left a noose, in the form of "envornmentalism", which will be used to hang themselves in the form of lost jobs, leading to lack of discretionary capital and eventually, loss of freedom. How you cannot see this, Omega, is beyond me.

This post has been edited by Quest: Jul 7 2010, 11:18 PM

[Timothy Osman]

I hope you blokes aren't surprised by Omega's allegiances, he has stated all along he believes there are too many of us and constantly derailed the Malthus thread and any other thread that tried to shine some light on his idols. It's only pretty recently that he's dropped all pretense at being a skeptic and has gone flat out on the Suzuki.

[Quest]

I hope you blokes aren't surprised by Omega's allegiances, he has stated all along he believes there are too many of us and constantly derailed the Malthus thread and any other thread that tried to shine some light on his idols. It's only pretty recently that he's dropped all pretense at being a skeptic and has gone flat out on the Suzuki.

Hmmm, I wasn't aware of his leanings. I would assume then that he would be one of the first to offer up a few of his friends and family members to the Soylent Green "list", true? I mean, that would be the honorable and consistent thing to do, right, Omega?

Soylent Green (for those too young)
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ad feedbackA tale of Earth in despair in 2022. Natural food like fruits, vegetables, and meat among others are now extinct. Earth is overpopulated and New York City has 40 million starving, poverty stricken people. The only way they survive is with water rations and eating a mysterious food called Soylent. A detective investigates the murder of the president of the Soylent company. The truth he uncovers is more disturbing than the Earth in turmoil when he learns the secret ingredient of Soylent Green. Written by Mystic80

In the year 2022, earth's face has completely changed. New York's population, for example, has grown to 40 million mouths to feed. The greenhouse effect has risen the temperature into nearly unbearable regions, and the people are kept in the cities by law. The rich live in separated luxury apartments (with women as part of the rented furniture) but also experience the lack of natural food. Strawberries are at $150 for a glass of them. Police Detective Thorn investigates a strange murdering case of an official from the Soylent corporation, which feeds the masses with a palette of their creations: Soylent red, yellow, or, even more nutritious, green. Written by Julian Reischl <julianreischl@mac.com>

The year is 2022. New York City has become overpopulated with 40 million people and pollution has caused the temperature to be risen and all natural resources have been destroyed, leaving 40 million people starving. The Soylent Company has create a new food product, Soylent Green. In the overpopulated and polluted New York City, police detective Thorn is assigned to investigate the brutal murder of an corporate official of the Soylent company, William R. Simonson. Thorn's investigation into Simonson's murder leads him to uncover a conspiracy in the Soylant company and the Soylent Green food product itself, where Thorn uncovers the horrible truth about Soylent Green. Written by Daniel Williamson

In the year 2022, overpopulation and the greenhouse effect have made life extremely difficult for the majority of people. The population of New York City is 40 million and the constant heat is unbearable. The city's infrastructure has broken down. Water is rationed and fresh food is virtually non-existent. Rather, most of the population live on soylent green, made from ocean vegetation and formed into tasteless green wafers. In this environment Detective Robert Thorn is assigned to investigate the death of William Simonson who was ultra-rich and didn't suffer any of life's hardships. He was killed with a blow to the head and it was all made to look like an interrupted break-in but Thorn is convinced early on that it was an assassination. Thorn learns that Simonson was a member of the Board of the Soylent Corporation but had recently become sad and morose. What, Thorn wonders would make such a rich man unhappy.

This post has been edited by Quest: Jul 7 2010, 11:11 PM