Atta, Alleged Pilot Of Aa11, And Nsa, why were gov't intel so close to Atta? |
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Group: Private Forum Pilot Posts: 295 Joined: 13-November 06 Member No.: 238 ![]() |
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=13817
why were muslim al-quda connected men like Atta, etc found in such close proximity to Dept of Defense, NSA, CIA and FBI centers? |
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Group: Extreme Forum Pilot Posts: 4,017 Joined: 14-December 06 From: Fort Pierce, FL Member No.: 331 ![]() |
Because it was an inside job?
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![]() ∞* M E R C U R I A L *∞ Group: Respected Member Posts: 5,870 Joined: 25-August 06 From: SFO Member No.: 16 ![]() |
QUOTE (JackD @ Aug 14 2007, 04:52 PM) http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=13817 why were muslim al-quda connected men like Atta, etc found in such close proximity to Dept of Defense, NSA, CIA and FBI centers? I think reading Peter Dale Scott's just released book, "The Road to 9/11," may help answer some of these questions. Parapolitics, deep politics, a different topological landscape of political possibilities inhabited by spooks, drug-runners, terrorists, private security, mercenary armies, intelligence, counter-intelligence, mafioso, paramilitary, politicians, corporate heads, international lobbyists, arms dealers, etc. -- sometimes it is difficult to tell who is who without a program:
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Group: Private Forum Pilot Posts: 295 Joined: 13-November 06 Member No.: 238 ![]() |
thanks, Painter.
i see a lot of data points that , like Scott's book, create a picture of 'stables' of dupes, double-agents, and useful idiots. al-quada operatives did not "penetrate' the defense department, or NSA. it's quite the other way around. google arch terrorist ali mohammed, who allegedly trained bin ladens' bombers for embassy jobs -- he worked as Green Beret, for FBI, etc etc... |
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Group: Extreme Forum Pilot Posts: 4,017 Joined: 14-December 06 From: Fort Pierce, FL Member No.: 331 ![]() |
Yeah, I'll bet the dupes, double agents and useful idiots outnumber the High Perps by 20 to 1. :ph43r:
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![]() ∞* M E R C U R I A L *∞ Group: Respected Member Posts: 5,870 Joined: 25-August 06 From: SFO Member No.: 16 ![]() |
QUOTE (amazed! @ Aug 16 2007, 05:55 AM) Yeah, I'll bet the dupes, double agents and useful idiots outnumber the High Perps by 20 to 1. :ph43r: If you take into consideration EVERYONE who parrots the 9/11 OCT (and why not!) you'd have to make that MILLIONS to one. Useful idiots. Scared shitless sheep. BAHHHHBAHHHHBAHHH ![]() |
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Group: Extreme Forum Pilot Posts: 4,017 Joined: 14-December 06 From: Fort Pierce, FL Member No.: 331 ![]() |
Oh yeah, THOSE kinds of useful idiots!
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![]() ![]() Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 ![]() |
Atta, FL, Hopsicker, NSA, FBI, etc. are also discussed at:
Entry Of The 9/11 Hijackers Into The United States http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=14858 |
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Group: Private Forum Pilot Posts: 295 Joined: 13-November 06 Member No.: 238 ![]() |
Bump -- the relevance is NSA surveillance.
NSA was UNAWARE of money transfer happening from the Ft Meade Safeway to Dubai. Hmmm... QUOTE Entry Of The 9/11 Hijackers Into The United States http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=14858 The NSA headquarters are located in Laurel, MD at fort Meade. Mohammed Atta was briefly staying in Laurel MD along with a few other of the AA77 alleged hijackers. AN exhibit from the Moussauoi trial documents that Atta wired money from a Safeway to Dubai -- the safeway in question: 5 miles away from NSA Hq. Similarly, other 'hijackers' rented a rooms in a boarding house in Vienna, VA, a few blocks away from a major CIA center. In San Diego, two alleged "hijackers" who were on the CIA terror watchlist apparently were housed with a tested, trusted FBI asset. alleged hijackers also listed addresses at US naval base (Pensacola) and attended Army foreign language training school in Monterey ,and jump school in Lackland, TX. Why were various agencies of the US gov't, including NSA, CIA, FBI, and the DoD keeping these young, but somewhat incapable, muslim men so close to itself? Think about it... and research the links of where 'alleged hijackers' lived, worked, traveled. (i say 'alleged hijackers' only because neither the airlines, nor the gov't, have released a single document that establishes that the 19 men in question boarded any of the 4 alleged hijacked flights.) |
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Woody Box Group: Respected Member Posts: 266 Joined: 28-August 06 Member No.: 20 ![]() |
Hi Jack! how are you? Nice to hear from you, and thanks for the information! ![]() |
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Group: Active Forum Pilot Posts: 477 Joined: 16-August 07 From: Upstate NY/VT border Member No.: 1,719 ![]() |
I am a natural born citizen of America. I have trouble getting driver's license, registration, insurance, renting an apartment, finding employment, establishing a bank account, setting up utility accounts, renting a car, getting a credit card, cell phone.
These guys drop in out of nowhere and breeze along without any effort. This is enough in my mind to tell me they were being shepherded by someone with deep connections. I'm really surprised there are no records following the money at the bank accounts. How and when were the accounts established? Was it a cash deposit, check or wire transfer? |
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Group: Private Forum Pilot Posts: 295 Joined: 13-November 06 Member No.: 238 ![]() |
I am a natural born citizen of America... I'm really surprised there are no records following the money at the bank accounts. How and when were the accounts established? Was it a cash deposit, check or wire transfer? Kawika Here is James Risen's article from 2002 about alleged hijacker bank accounts -- they opened 35. 14 of them were with SunTrust bank. NY TIMES 2002 "Hijacker Bank Accounts" Spies and terrorists in same Safeway Grocery store & Golds Gym" About the alleged hijackers living 5-10 miles from NSA -- the spying and surveillance HQ of America, Laurel Maryland (Ft Meade) Hope these help illustrate the absurdity. http://radiodujour.wordpress.com/category/amy-goodman/ Listen mp3 mp3 Radio show Amy Goodman and Jim Bamford (NSA author) QUOTE October 14, 2008
Amy Goodman talks with James Bamford, an American bestselling author and journalist who writes about United States intelligence agencies, and he drops a bomb shell (which doesn’t seem to warrant a follow-up question from Ms Goodman) about how the 9/11 plotters set-up shop within eye site (sans trees – 6.1 miles) of NSA Headquarters, worked out at the nearby Gold’s Gym, shopped at the nearby Safeway and ate at the same restaurants as NSA employees. Listen (.mp3) AMY GOODMAN: Jim Bamford, can you talk about how the NSA picked up the very first clues about the 9/11 attacks well before the 9/11 attacks? JAMES BAMFORD: Well, the very first clue to the 9/11 attack occurred in late December 1999, when the NSA picked up a message from a house in Yemen. The house was being used by bin Laden as his operations center. He didn’t have much capability to operate out of Afghanistan, so all the phone calls, all the messages, email and all that would go to this house in the city of Sanaa, the capital of Yemen. NSA had been eavesdropping on that house for a number of years, and in late December 1999, it picked up a particular intercept, picked up a particular phone conversation. And the phone conversation said that-send Khalid and Nawaf to Kuala Lumpur for a meeting. So, NSA picked that up, and they-first of all, they figured that Nawaf and Khalid had to be very important potential terrorists, because they were being assigned by bin Laden out in Afghanistan to go to a meeting in Kuala Lumpur. That seemed like a terrorist summit meeting. NSA gave that information to the other intelligence agencies, and the CIA set up a surveillance in Kuala Lumpur, and then they lost them in Kuala Lumpur. After they lost them, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi went to California. They got in without any problem. NSA, even though they had the last name of Nawaf al-Hazmi in their computers, they never bothered to check, so they both got in without any problem into the United States. They went down, and they lived in San Diego. And they began calling back and forth to that house in Yemen, the house that NSA was eavesdropping on. So NSA is picking up their conversations to the house in Yemen, translating them and then sending out the conversations to-or summaries of the conversations to the CIA without ever telling anybody that they were in the United States. And they were in the United States for almost two years. Al-Hazmi was there from January 2000 to September 2001. And again, they’re communicating back and forth; NSA is picking up but not telling anybody that they’re in the US. AMY GOODMAN: Explain, Jim Bamford- JAMES BAMFORD: And it got so bad- AMY GOODMAN: You say that they set up their final base of operations almost next door to the NSA headquarters in Laurel, Maryland? JAMES BAMFORD: Well, that’s the ultimate irony, was they eventually travel across country from San Diego, and they set up their final base of operations-these are the-this is the crew that was about to attack the Pentagon-about a month before, they set up their base of operations in Laurel, Maryland, of all places, that happens to be the same city that NSA is headquartered. So they set up their base of operations in this Valencia Motel, and almost across the Baltimore-Washington Parkway is NSA headquarters. The director’s office is on the eighth floor, and, except for some trees, he could almost see the motel where they’re staying. So, NSA is over there trying to find terrorists, and here is the 9/11 terrorists sitting right opposite the NSA on the other side of the parkway making their final plans. Mohamed Atta flew there for summit meetings. And they had to take three hotels at one point to put all the people there. So, as NSA is looking for them, they’re having their final summit meetings there, and they’re walking around the Safeway, they’re exercising in Gold’s Gym, they’re eating in the restaurants there, they’re mingling with NSA employees. That’s NSA’s company town. It’s just the ultimate irony that here you have the terrorists and the eavesdroppers living side by side in the month before the final attack. |
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Group: Active Forum Pilot Posts: 477 Joined: 16-August 07 From: Upstate NY/VT border Member No.: 1,719 ![]() |
Bamford: "They went down, and they lived in San Diego. And they began calling back and forth to that house in Yemen, the house that NSA was eavesdropping on. So NSA is picking up their conversations to the house in Yemen, translating them and then sending out the conversations to-or summaries of the conversations to the CIA without ever telling anybody that they were in the United States."
They don't need to be told. The calls were coming from San Diego. What a bunch of idiots. Hey, did the calls continue to Yemen after they all met up in Laurel? Ya think? But look. I have no doubt that they want these "plots" to succeed so they have a reason to spring into action, collect more funding and pat themselves on the back for protecting everyone. What a sad state of affairs. |
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Group: Active Forum Pilot Posts: 477 Joined: 16-August 07 From: Upstate NY/VT border Member No.: 1,719 ![]() |
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/10/us/sept.11-hijackers-said-to-fake-data-on-bank-accounts.html
One of the first signs of a large infusion of cash coming into the United States for use by the hijackers appears in bank records dating from 2000, when $100,000 was deposited in bank accounts controlled by some of the leading hijackers, including Mr. Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi, Mr. Lormel said. The F.B.I. has traced that money back to the United Arab Emirates and believes that it was sent to the hijackers by Mustafa Ahmed al-Hisawi, who is accused of helping to manage Osama bin Laden's finances. $100,000 in cash to multiple accounts. Sounds to me like a wire transfer, not a check. Within a matter of days, the FBI identified the 19 hijackers using flight, credit card, banking, and other records. Check this out: http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_s...TerrFin_App.pdf "We had access to the actual evidence of the plotters’ financial transactions, including U.S. and foreign bank account statements, fund transfer records, and other financial records." Read further on. |
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Group: Private Forum Pilot Posts: 295 Joined: 13-November 06 Member No.: 238 ![]() |
It's an interesting story about the money and bank accounts, and FBI "failures." However, there still isn't evidence that these particular men actually boarded the planes. It appears more like that the 19 presumed were busy establishing "legends" about themselves -- and furthermore, EVEN when Khalid almihdhar phoned a KNOWN TERROR SAFEHOUSE phone number in ? Yemen, and Khalid and Nawaf traveled to Phillipines, STILL they don't get questioned, etc.
Argues that someone like FBI or another group was monitoring the group in order not to arrest detail or deter, but to keep them going. |
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