Engine Experts?, hi res. FEMA photos Options

[rob balsamo]

Thanks for that article driver....

Im sure that technology was available many years ago... its also possible it was used on 9/11.

However.. now that they are going public with it.. i know ALPA stepped in and had something to say about it.. i just wish ALPA would start questioning the govt regarding all the coflicts with the official story.

I have called ALPA Accident Investigation last month along with congress people.. all were supposed to get back to me... surprise.. they havent.

Time to make the rounds again. .only this time.. recorded.. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

Hey Tocarm!

Good to see you here finally!

Enjoy.

[tocarm]

Dear Driver,

Thanks for reading my posting(s). As for the Pentagon B757 type certificated with RB211s or PW4000s, it was 'long long ago' on Phil Jayhan's Letsroll911 forums right around the time the US was committing itself to invade Iraq that a contributor to that forum that particular B757 production line number as having PW engines. Steve Russell of Strike-911.org asked me to get technical drawings of the combustion chambers for CF6, RB211 & PW4000 engines so as to question the photos supposedly taken at the Pentagon. I hope people realize that when they make a 'statement' on/about any and all elements regarding the bogus 9-11 'Arab terrorist' attacks, they be careful about being accurate as others have/are working furiously (an in earnest) to accumulate and provide additional and supportative documentation.

We all have had ENOUGH 'smoke blown into our faces' with the manifold CIA/FBI generted mythology on/about 9-11. We must be careful/mindful of not blowing additional 'smoke' at each other. The non-citizens of the CIA/FBI have, are and will continue to do everything in their power to destroy our citizen's USA. So many are worried about the many illegal alien non-citizens here within the USA. We have a much bigger problem with all the "illegal alien non-citizens" holding Federal government positions and on the Federal Govt's payroll - not to mention the many States' govt's. In an oligarchy, it's $$$ that talks...and its $$$ that keeps mouths shut. Christ was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver. 250 million US citizens have been, are and will continue to be betrayed by any number of Federal Reserve Notes - and FedRes Notes aren't even backed by silver!

It's really a moot point, anyways, as to whether the Pentagon's "Boeing 757" had RB211s or PW4000s since there was NO Boeing 757 involved with the Pentagon anyways. Some sort of military ordinance such as a bunker busting missile, yes, but no Boeing 757 whatsoever.

Ground station satellite communication links (SATOM) with airborne aircraft transmit and receive both voice and digital data.

You've heard the child's song "the foot bone is connected to the ankle bone...the ankle bone is connected to the leg bone..the leg bone is connected to the hip bone..."

The SATCOM antenna is connected to the SATTELITE DATE UNIT (SDU)...the SDU is connected to the back of the COCKPIT DISPLAY UNIT (CDU)... the CDU is connected to the Flight Management Computers (FMC)...the FMC is connected to the Flight Control Computesr (FCCs)...the FCCs are connected to all the flight controls, engine throttles and a whole bunch of other stuff aboard B757s & B767s.

Think of the CDU as the pilot's/co-pilot's "keyboard" into/onto which he/she/they make manual DATA inputs with respect to the many factors/variables they desire their aircraft to fly and to fly with (e.g. derated engine takeoffs, etc.) to include FINAL DESTINATION.

Now "image" that an ADDITIONAL HARNESS & keyboard capable of Input/Output to/with the CDU is run from all 3 CDUs in the B767's cockpit all the way back to the aft galley - right next to the bank of coffeemakers at aircraft right.

The Pilot/Co-pilot do all of their CDU inputting - they take off from MCO enroute to LAX - they break through 400' AGL and promptly hit their Autopilot button. Both pilot and co-pilot break out The Wall Street Journal, check out the preformance of the stock/bond portfolios, then BOTH simply decide to 'catch a long nap' while keeping the cockpit 'Sterile'.

About an hour goes by, and a flight attendant in the aft galley has forgotten a 'something or other' back at MCO. She goes over to this keyboard next to the coffeemakers in the aft galley right and inputs/signals the FMC that their flight is TO RETURN TO MCO by simply typing in 'MCO' and hitting the return key.

That NEW data is "harness fed" to the CDU which, in turn, feeds the FMC. The FMC calculates their present position, course, speed with the NEW commanded 'Final Destination'...i.e. MCO.

Guess what this Boeing 767 DOES while both the pilot and co-pilot are ASLEEP!

It gently nudges its nose to either the right or left, rolls it wings every so gracefully, holds that turn until the proper navigation vector for MCO is reached, then levels wings and returns the rudder to neutral.

One-half hour later, both the Pilot and Co-pilot awake to find themselves 1/2 hour outside of MCO.

Instead of having a 'naughty flight attendant' in the aft galley with her own CDU accessing keyboard, the SDU which is attached to the SATCOM antenna makes possible for a '9-11 Naughty Ground Controller' the ability to do the same exact thing I just described to and for you.

And even having ground controller controlled Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 is likewise a MOOT POINT as well - since Type A/Type B jet fuel IS INCAPABLE of causing a fire with temperatures capable of compromising the intergranular integrity and strenght of ASTM construction-grade steel beams. Intergranular grain/phase changing of carbon steel doesn't occur till around 3,000 degs. F. Don't beleive me? Just check out the phase change diagrams of ATSM carbon steel in any Metallurgical Handbook available at ANY college or university here in the USA.

So Prof. Steve Jones is really the MOST DANGEROUS 'Point man' in this 9-11 Jungle Infantry Platoon that all of us in the 9-11 Truth Movement. From an A&P's point-of-view..."I'm OUT OF AMMUNITION". I shot off what aviation maintenance "ammuntion" I've had against our 'enemies' hold up in the thickets of their geo-political, controlled-media 'jungle cover'.

We've just had a one time Boston based FAA Air Traffic Controller let loose his 'burst' against the same 'jungle covered enemy' behind 9-11.

The USA is one big 'Viet Nam' now....and we are in the midst of a "Broken Arrow"!

And I don't think there are very many US citizens within and without our US Federal and State governments that give "TWO SH!TZ" that our Nation is about to go down the 'American Standard'.

Hate to have to say it, my dear Driver, but as Christ was betrayed by 'The Powers That Be' in His time for a measely 30 pieces of silver, all of us have been betrayed by 'The Powers That Be' for the same of DIGITS written into BANKER'S LEDGER BOOKS representing mere printed script currency backed by nothing but hot air and lies.

- tocarm

[tocarm]

Hi Merc!

It's kinda NICE to have a 9-11 website/forum where we Aviation Types can get together and 'shoot the 911 breeze' so to speak WITHOUT having to all the esoteric, space alien invaders, weird religion/sect/cult types conjuring up speculation after yet another speculation as to what 9-11 was and is all about.

I'm afraid that this 9-11 stuff for so many is a form of personal "entertainment" without realizing that bringing the criminals behind 9-11 to justice and halting all the geo-political/international tsunamis generated by 9-11 to an immediate HALT is an honest-to-goodness matter of LIFE OR DEATH for this US Nation, its 250 million US citizens and for peoples of other nations of our world.

Our "problem" we concerned US citizens have here in this USA nation of ours can be boiled down to this simple statement"

"The U.S.A. is lacking and devoid of ANY SORT of legitimate Government!"

- tocarm

[rob balsamo]

Great post Joe... good to have you aboard...

Good chat on the phone today as well!

Cheers!
Rob

[driver]

I hope people realize that when they make a 'statement' on/about any and all elements regarding the bogus 9-11 'Arab terrorist' attacks, they be careful about being accurate as others have/are working furiously (an in earnest) to accumulate and provide additional and supportative documentation.

Accuracy is important when you are participating in a truth movement.
The truth is American Airlines 757's(excluding the former TWA 757s) are equipped with Rolls-Royce RB211 engines.

This post has been edited by driver: Dec 19 2006, 10:37 PM

[tocarm]

Dear Driver,

Regarding 'accuracy'...

How does one get a Boeing 757 (with RB211 turbofan engines, now mind you) operated by American Airlines INTO the side of the Pentagon if that AA flight with its Boeing 757 (and its TWO RB211 turbofan engines) never departed on its flight back on September 11, 2001?

Scan down to the Bureau of Transportation's airline flight time departures here:
http://killtown.911review.org/chart.html

There were no AA or UA aircraft hijackings done by 'Arab terrorists'.
http://www.911closeup.com/index.shtml?ID=66

How did "they" pull this scam off?? A little understanding of how US commercial air carriers get their transponder codes for that/those flight(s) from the FAA.

US Commericial Air Carriers (e.g. AA and UA) with many scheduled and routine revenue flights submit their planned listing of flights with the FAA about a week ahead of time >>VIA COMPUTER LINK<<.

The US Commerical Air Carrier submits their flight numbers to the FAA ATC computer and the FAA ATC computer assigns a Transponder code for that particular flight. The flight number AND its corresponding Transponder code is "stored" in the FAA ATC's computer.

When the day comes for the US commercial airlines to fly-for-revenue, the pilot or co-pilot cranks in their flight's 4-digit transponder code. Where do the pilot and co-pilot get their flight's transponder code. It's given to them by their airline's flight ops. Where does their airline's flight ops get that flight's transponder code? From the list of transponder codes the FAA ATC's computer assigned to that flight ABOUT A WEEK IN ADVANCE to and for that particular airline...in this case, either AA or UA (or both in the case of these bogus/fake/staged 911 'Arab terrorist' attacks.

So it's September 11...and the entire fleet of AA or UA aircraft become airborne.

FAA ATC primary search radar creates a "blip" on the radar screens Air Traffic Controllers for their particular 'control region' of the airspare over the USA. The FAA Air Traffic Controllers "ping the blips" by using SECONDARY SEARCH RADAR energies emitted by these same FAA ATC radars.

This SECONDARY SEARCH RADAR signal "calls up" or "queries" the on board UA or AA aircrafts TRANSPONDER for an 'answer' of who/what they are. The onboard UA or AA transponder automatically, immediately, robotically TRANSMITS it's Transponder Code cranked into it by the flight crew which they got from their flight ops which their airline got from the FAA ATC computer a week ago.

FAA ATC secondary search radar receives this 4-digit transponder code transmission from any/all UA and AA flights, then makes a querry into its own FAA ATC assigned transponder code's COMPUTER DATA BASE FOR THAT DAY, takes that data/that record and PLASTERS that data onto/alongside the "BLIP" seen on the Air Traffic Controller's radar screen(s).

If either UA or AA "cancel" their flight for that particular day - the day being September 11 - the respective airline by FAA REGULATIONS is suppose to NOTIFY the FAA ATC 'service desk' within 30 minutes of that flight/those flights departure times. Any why is that? So that the FAA ATC transponder code data base can have THAT/those particular transponder codes removed from its transponder code list for THAT DAY.

What happens if either UA or AA cancel their flights (Flight 11, Flight 77, Flight 93, Flight 175) for that Septemeber 11 day and DO NOT NOTIFY the FAA ATC 'service desk' of those four flight cancellations?

The transponder code assigned to Flights 11, 77, 93 & 175 a week ago REMAIN ACTIVE within the FAA ATC's computer data base for transponder codes for that September 11 day.

Now THAT means simply this....If I, yours truly, 'tocarm', manage to get a MOTHBALLED Boeing 757 or Boeing 767 into the air - a B757 or B767 pulled out of mothballs, pulled out of US Military inventory, stolen from the hangars of Nigerian Airlines - whatever....and I 'crank in' the transponder codes which belong to Flight 11 or Flight 93 or Flight 77 or Flight 175 - the "poor schmucks" in any and all FAA ATC towers all across this great and 'Truth Telling' US Nations of ours will see "TOCARM'S B-TYPE" as either AA flight 11, AA flight 77, UA flight 93 or UA flight 175.

Put any transponder into a CESSNA 150 or aboard a CRUISE MISSILE with the September 11 transponder codes for the REAL UA or AA flights 11, 77, 93 or 175...
and my Cessna 150 or ground/sea/air launched Cruise Missile becomes a UA or AA Boeing 757 or 767 to and for ALL the FAA ATC airtraffic controllers all across the USA.

There were NO 'Arab hijacked' UA or AA Boeings that fateful September 11 day.

...So....if there were NO 'Arabs' on/in the flight deck/cockpits of any and all of those 9-11 Boeings supposedly being operated by either AA or UA...then 'who in the hell' CAN get onto/into the flight decks/cockpits of those B-types used in those 9-11 attacks??? Hmmm???

The Answer: Those who have access to the aircraft's identifier code assigned to that particular production number as it came of Boeing's production line. And WHO has those numbers? Why Boeing, the FAA, the DOD!

And HOW does one gain access to the flight deck/cockpit in order to gain access to the controlls of the engines/flight control surfaces? One "calls up" the aircraft via SATCOM, supply the digital 'Password' necessary in order to access the onboard CDUs...and viola...you are the controls of an airborne B757/B767 and you can make it fly ANYWHERE you want...even to NYC and into either the WTC Tower #1 or Tower #2.

Then you can blame 'the Arabs', you can blame 'Saddam Hussein' and you can get US Congress to indebt 250 million US citizens for TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS so that your Carlyle Group or whatever corporate holdings within the US military-industrial-congressional complex make gobs and gobs of money as you promote and propel your geo-politcal strategems for your 'New World Order'.

So I conclude this posting of mine with those words made famous by Walter Cronkite:

"AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS!"

- tocarm
Viet Nam Era Vet - USAF - TAC - 355TTW
Citizen of the State of New Jersey
FEDERAL Citizen of the United States of America
DOT FAA Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Mx - CO - EWR
(as well as a Catholic Christian of the Roman Rite)

[bill]

tocarm

that is thee best explaination of the events of 911 I have ever read


It makes sense

Long ago I knew that the arab hijacker theory was bogus

and I suspected the control take over of the FMC but no one would talk to me about it


thank you

[tocarm]

Dear Bill,

It's the Christian religous season of ADVENT & quickly coming towards the Christmas season - December 25 thru January 8 (or to February 2nd for those of us in the 'Old Slavic' Church tradition)....so...

...after having read your simple, sincere and straightforth reply to my rather 'long winded' explanation of THE FACTS regarding the bogus, fake and staged 9-11 "Arab terrorist" hijackings/attack for the sake of Greater Israel, Mossad and the real geo-political TERRORISTS in our world today - namely the International Cabal of Zionists - all funded by the World's Owners of the world's Central Banks, (i.e. Rothchilds, Warburgs, Goldman-Sachs, Rockerfellers, etc), I'd like to simply say to you:

"May God Himself RICHLY bless you on this coming Mass of Christ, December 25, 2006!"

If you would be patient and 'tolerant' of me, I'd like to tell you some of my personal 'War Stories' in and about THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE way back when Viet Nam was still going on and winding down. And why? Because I'd like for you (and the entire world if need be) understand why it was 'necessary' for the USAF to be ordered to 'Stand Down' back on that September 11, 2001 day.

Did you ever see that WWII movie entitled 'Memphis Belle' - about the last bombing run of that B-17?. While I didn't fly nor was I a pilot, I was in the maintenance end of things. And believe it or not, for the majority of us in the Mx end of the USAF military business, the vast majority of us did have this kinda/sorta "familiy feeling" for our pilots (despite the fact they were all 'Zeroes', that is Commissoined Officers in the USAF <g>).

When an I.F.E. (In-Flight Emergency) was declared by any of our military pilots, many of us in the Mx shops took our vehicles out so as to watch the crippled and/or stricken aircraft so as to watch the Crash Recovery and Firefighters types haul ass down the runaway after the crippled/stricken aircraft touched down on the runway. All of us in Mx were concerned for the safety, health and well being of whoever it was that was THE PILOT.

After the crippled/stricken plane came to a stop and the Crash Recovery and Firefighters were 'all over' the aircraft and as the canopy popped open indicating that the PILOT made it back okay, we'd head back to our respective shops telling other Mx types "He's okay."

Now USAF pilots aren't low-life scumbags who don't have a clue as to what their RESPONSIBILITIES are - unlike those who fancy themselves to be in the civilian chain of command of the United States Armed Forces. Case in point: way back when there still was an 'ADC' (Air Defense Command), the ready birds were F-106s and they were launched to intercept any/all strange/foreign aircraft approaching US borders.

If these ADC F-106s couldn't down incoming Russian Bear Bombers with their on-board weapons (missiles DO malfunction - ask the many F-4 drivers who wound up dogfighting Migs in the skies over North Viet Nam), their 'USAF Flight Manual' had a three letter word as a standing 'Military Order' of what they were EXPECTED TO DO in this event in order TO STOP incoming Russian Bear Bomber(s)...

"4. RAM"

So onto the reason as to the 'Why?' it was necessary for the Commander-In-Chief (and why was the Vice-President considered 'Commander-In-Chief' since he is not even included in the US "Chain Of Command) to order the USAF to 'Stand Down' back on September 11, 2001??

BECAUSE if any "WORTH HIS WEIGHT IN GOLD" USAF fighter pilot flying any old fighter aircraft VISUALLY SAW 1) that there was NOBODY IN the cockpits of what was dubbed AA11, UA175, AA77 or UA93...and...2) it was 'flying on its own' heading to whatever unknown destination or 'target'...3) that it's 'Earl Sheib $99.95 Paint Job' was a 'camoflauge' job, that/those USAF Pilots would have

>>> SHOT THE F#CK!N' FLYING THING DOWN IN A HEARTBEAT!!! <<<

You know...I got my DD-214 long ago...almost 30 years now. And with all of this BOGUS BULLSH!T that 9-11 was, is and continues to be on our Nation's scene and in/amongst the International scene, I don't understand why US Armed Forces Commissioned FLAG and STAFF Officers to include each and every last member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff don't scrounge up a truckful of Military Police, crash the gates of the White House - nuetralize all of the Secret Service agents there - and DRAG OUT BY THE SCRUFF OF THEIR NECKS AT THE POINTS OF BAYONETS those who are currently holed up in 'The White House'.

"Land of the free and home of the brave." I don't think so. Just like the 9-11 'Arab Terrorist' attacks - it's all but yet one HUGE MYTH!

- tocarm

This post has been edited by tocarm: Dec 20 2006, 06:36 PM

[bill]

I had not seen this before

but is corroberates your posts well, tocarm

I enjoy reading your posts

May our Lord bless your Christmas and new year

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/plissken.htm

[tocarm]

Dear Bill,

Thanks for reading my posts - and thank you for your blessing.

If you've never seen this webpage, I wholeheartedly recommend your reading it:

"Operation Home Run"
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/home_run.htm

- Joe
(tocarm)

[UnderTow]

WoW, just got done reading your posts in here Tocarm.

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fwiw, I've always been conflicted with the PW RB engine problem with AA77. I've seen it said both ways but multiple sources.

[bill]

Dear Bill,

Thanks for reading my posts - and thank you for your blessing.

If you've never seen this webpage, I wholeheartedly recommend your reading it:

"Operation Home Run"
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/home_run.htm

- Joe
(tocarm)

Hey thanks

I used to go to APFN alot a few years back


got sidetracked I guess

good stuff as I recall

[tocarm]

Dear Undertow,

I suppose (if you wanted to) you can put this Boeing 757 PW4000/RB211 issue behind you if you but consider this:

There was NO Boeing 757 slamming into the Pentagon. Period.

Now RB211's ARE used in/on/with a whole slew of other sorts of military flying machines. Might I suggest simply doing a Google search on/with/about RB211 applications in other sorts of flying contraptions.

I think you'll be surprised as to what OTHER sorts of flying things have RB211s!

Respectfully yours,
- tocarm

[waterdancer]

Just in case anyone is interested, the two New York tail # planes (Flts 11 and 175) have engine information filled in in the NTSB records:

N612UA - http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA063&rpt=fa archive = PW4062

N334AA - http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA060&rpt=fa archive = PW4062

N591UA (Shanksville) has no engine information but has a serial number for the plane listed as being 28142 (don't know if that does anyone any good to know) http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA065&rpt=fa archive

N644AA (Arlington) has nada filled in... http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA064&rpt=fa archive

This post has been edited by waterdancer: Dec 24 2006, 12:13 PM

[rob balsamo]

Just in case anyone is interested, the two New York tail # planes (Flts 11 and 175) have engine information filled in in the NTSB records:

N612UA - http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA063&rpt=fa archive = PW4062

N334AA - http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA060&rpt=fa archive = PW4062

Wasnt the engine found in NYC a GE engine? A CFM56?


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tocarm? Help please...

[tocarm]

Dear Rob,

Looks 'GE' to me -- the center fan air duct, the inner & outer balance piston seals, the inner/outer shell design & patterns in the annunular combustion liner - all typical GEAE design.

I see there is a carpenter's square inserted in to the top of wrecked hulk of the top photo. Can't tell if it's a 2', 3' for 4' variety.

I can't/don't see the tell-tale ports for fuel nozzles - that's the 'Dead Give Away' as to what type of model of a mess we are looking at.

But this is most definitely a GE variety.

The FEMA Fresh Kills engine photos are...most definetly...CF6 variety.

- tocarm

[Wilbert]

N591UA: PW2040
N644AA: RB.211 SERIES

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp

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This post has been edited by Wilbert: Dec 27 2006, 06:11 PM

[Cary]

Welcome to the forum Wilbert. Your link requires FAA registry. I ain't registered there.

[skywatcher]

So can you conclude from the above that none of the engines found in the wreckage could have come from any of the four commercial UA & AA planes?