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Wtc7 Fire Progression, A closer look

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post Jun 10 2012, 03:14 PM
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I've searched through most of the relevant images and videos that I could find of WTC7 to assess NIST's claims on the alleged fires throughout the day.

Like the Pentagon, nailing down the timeframes and sequenciality of images and videos that day were made all the more difficult because of intentional vagueness (by NIST), cropped images, nonsequential video snippets, withheld visual evidence and lack of original footage, timestamps or exif data.

This is a first draft and if anybody can add to or point out errors are more than welcome.


1. 9am — 10am

2. 10am — 11am

3. 11am — 12pm

4. 12pm — 1pm

5. 1pm — 2pm

6. 2pm — 3pm

7. 3pm — 4pm

8. 4pm — 5:20pm

Conclusion A • Exaggerations, ommissions and the south face of WTC7

Conclusion B • Exaggerations and inventions

Conclusion C • The reasons for the lies

Conclusion D • The "diesel fires"

Edit added:

A closer look at the southwest damage and source of smoke.



Sources, WTC7 overheads and pre-911 images

South face WTC7 bridges pre911

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9721/imagetur.jpg

Overhead plan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...d_Site_Plan.svg

WTC7 overheads and images

Wtc7 NorthEast pre911

http://archive.org/download/MichaelChan_so...7before9-11.jpg


South face floors and columns legend

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2362/imageygua.jpg

North face floors numbered

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/2907/imagedapv.jpg

South face entrance and bridges pre911

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9721/imagetur.jpg

WTC7 facade legend (ConEd)

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4644/imageltd.jpg

FEMA Report

Bird's eye view from various angles (solely for perspective and bearings):

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2118/imageena.jpg

For bearings (overhead post collapses):

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/4624/imagewnd.jpg

FOIA released images:

http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com.es/2010/...tos-part-3.html

NIST - WTC 7 Visual Evidence, Damage Estimates, and Timeline Analysis
(reference : "Pitts")

http://www.infowars.net/WTC7Report/WTC%207...ter%20Pitts.doc


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9am-10am
  


Post North tower impact, pre-South tower impact
  

WTC7/Upper east face/tower1 impact
      

Source: George Bell

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7316/imagexup.jpg

As above. Sequential

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4430/imageljp.jpg




North tower impact and view of wtc7
  

Source: 9/11 Archives

http://archive.org/details/CBS-NetDub217

As above 

Note: plus south tower impact and effect on north tower smoke

http://archive.org/details/CBS-NetDub218

As above

http://archive.org/details/CBS-NetDub219

Wtc7 windowcleaners

http://archive.org/details/Andreaclip_1B


Post  impacts, precollapse
  

Source: FOIA release - "unknown photographer 5"

WTC7/NE face/post impacts - grey smoke from east (left) of WTC7?
       

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3796/imagesfa.jpg




Source: Tim Tobiason

Entire north face WTC7/post impacts/ (Note: white smoke at bottom left from other building?)

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9409/imagehcs.jpg


Sequential. Lower north face (no white smoke)

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6499/imagedpv.jpg


Source: Anon (FOIA release)

WTC7/NE/upper floors/post impacts

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2778/imageaji.jpg

WTC7/NE face/post impacts

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/124/imagewqs.jpg

As above. Sequential

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5682/imageoupt.jpg

As above. Almost entire north face. Sequential

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6038/imagejck.jpg

As above. Sequential

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9091/imagedyeu.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9268/imagehgl.jpg


Source: NYPD/Pitts

09:51am
       

South and east face/09:51:45am/numbered 

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/383/imageknd.jpg  









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10am-11am
  

South tower collapse
  

Source: 9/11 Archives

South tower debris falling wtc7

http://archive.org/details/WNYWDub2137

As above

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub1036



09:59
  

Source: Suzanne Plunkett/AP/Pitts

QUOTE
     "This cropped photograph showing the dust cloud from the collapse of WTC 2 approaching the south face of WTC 7 was taken from just east of the corner of Frankfurt Street and Broadway at 9:59:24 a.m. (estimated uncertainty of 5 s).  The intensity levels have been adjusted"

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4509/imageuqb.jpg  
     

Similar shots:

Source: Bill Biggart 

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1676/imagewdubtvnwp.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2919/imagepaz.jpg


POV for above @1:45

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...62387415552903#



10am
  

Source: Greg Semendinger

North/upper west/South Tower collapse

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/733/imageujgs.jpg

As above. Sequencial.

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7451/imagedzfn.jpg

As above (entire north face WTC7)

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8580/imagewlr.jpg

As above

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9792/imagejzi.jpg

Upper west face/South Tower collapse

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4171/imagewih.jpg


Source: "Anon" - FOIA released

NW face/South Tower collapse

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2446/imagedwe.jpg

NE face/ South Tower collapse

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/42/imageque.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4048/imagemaz.jpg


Source: Pitts

QUOTE
"At 9:59 a.m., WTC 2 (the south tower) collapsed/from southeast corner wtc7

"It appears that the collapse of WTC 2 did not significantly affect the roof, or the east, west, and north elevations of WTC 7. It is unknown if there was any damage to the south elevation after WTC 2 collapsed, but both the covered, tubular pedestrian bridge and the Plaza bridge were still standing after the collapse of WTC 2."

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/299/imagesst.jpg.
     


WTC7 lobby, south face/post South Tower collapse

Source: 9/11 Archives

http://archive.org/details/CBS-NetDub313

http://archive.org/details/CBS-NetDub317

As above (WTC7 south face loading dock)

http://archive.org/details/NBCAtlanta465

As above (WTC7 south face loading dock)

http://archive.org/details/NBCAtlanta465

As above (video under pedestrian bridge)

http://archive.org/details/NBCAtlanta464

http://archive.org/details/NBCAtlanta475

As above lower south face WTC7

http://archive.org/details/CBS-NetDub318


Source: CBS/Pitts (post South Tower collapse)

QUOTE
"image, taken from a video shot from Vesey Street and looking towards the east, shows the south face of WTC 7 and the Promenade crossing over to WTC 6"

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/8633/imagesksf.jpg
     



10:15am
  

Source: CBS/Pitts

QUOTE
" A frame from a video filmed just outside of WTC 7 looking east up Vesey Street around 10:15 a.m. is shown.  WTC 7 is on the left, the U.S Post Office is straight ahead across West Broadway, and WTC 5 is visible behind the Pedestrian Bridge on the right.  The intensity levels have been enhanced"


http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6159/imagepmy.jpg  
     

Source: CBS/Pitts

QUOTE
"This frame from a video shows a close up of the ground floor of the south face of WTC 7.  It was taken around 10:15 a.m.  The column visible near the center is the base of column 25.  The intensity levels have been enhanced."

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2606/imagegip.jpg  
     

Source: CBS/Pitts

QUOTE
"This frame from a video shows a close up of a corner of the main lobby on the third floor of the south side of WTC 7.  It was taken around 10:15 a.m.  The intensity levels have been enhanced."

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4402/imagewph.jpg  
     

Source: CBS/Pitts

QUOTE
"frame from a video provides a view looking across the first floor lobby on the south side of WTC 7.  It was taken around 10:15 a.m.  The intensity levels have been enhanced."

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2641/imagexjz.jpg  
    


Video source for above (10:15am)  

After South Tower collapse -WTC7 south face and interior (02:30mins) - stills used by Pitt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUQjphJLuck


Source: CBS/Pitts

WTC7 loading dock(?)/southwest face/post South Tower collapse:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/555/imageaqnr.jpg

Video of same area around same time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-V3pw_cAI

For bearings and reference:

Aerial view of same area pre-911

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7036/imageicx.jpg

Seen here, to the left/west pre-911

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9721/imagetur.jpg



10:23am+
  

Source: NYPD/Pitts

@10:23am aeriel view from south wtc7 roof 

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6963/imagelev.jpg


10:30am
  

Source: Steve Liebel

WTC7/North/upper floors/North Tower collapsing

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9904/imagekld.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/2236/imageucl.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/213/imagetxm.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9025/imagepyn.jpg



North Tower collapse:
       

Source: Greg Semendinger

WTC7 north and east face/North Tower collapsing

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2149/imagejdv.jpg

As above. Sequential

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2592/imagerkop.jpg

As above. Sequential

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7318/imagelac.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/7357/imageypd.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/107/imageuoe.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3141/imagelwu.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3678/imageoya.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5770/imagewry.jpg


Source: Patrick Madden

WTC7/North/upper floors/North Tower collapse

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8486/imagezzg.jpg


Source: Pitts

WTC7 east face (partial north/ConEd)

QUOTE
"Figure 5-15 is a photograph of WTC 1 debris between the west elevation of WTC 7 and the Verizon building." (post 10:30am)

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2456/imagexlc.jpg  
     


Source: Erik Freeland/Pitts

WTC7 east face (partial north/ConEd)

QUOTE
"west face of WTC 7 looking down Washington Street between WTC 7 on the left and the Verizon Building on the right.  The time is unknown, but the shadows suggest that it was before noon(?)"

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5473/imageilz.jpg  
     
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11am-12pm
  

11am
  


Source: Richard Peskin ("explosions")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYjAyvf_jbA



11:15am - 11:30am
  

Source: Suzanne Plunket/AP/Pitts

WTC7 north face

QUOTE
"In Figure 199 there does appear to be a heavy smoke column rising from an area just to the north and west of WTC 7.  The location of the smoke relative to the buildings in the area suggests the smoke was coming from or near West Broadway"    

Figure 199 (11:30pm) - "WTC7 North 11:28am..from the upper story of a nearby building looking down Greenwich"

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/564/imagejgrg.jpg     


" A view of WTC 7 from the west taken roughly 15 minutes earlier (OSS:11:13am) is shown in Figure 1100"

Figure 1100.  This cropped photograph showing the west face of WTC 7 was shot at 11:13:51 a.m. from New Jersey looking across the Hudson River

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/192/imagetvw.jpg  
     


Source: FDNY/Pitts

QUOTE
"Visual evidence indicates that the smoke plumes seen in Figure 199 and Figure 1100 were due to vehicles that were ignited at numerous locations following the collapse of WTC 1.  Several burned out vehicles can be seen on West Broadway between the east side of WTC 7 and the Post Office Building...  Review of several photographs showed that there were at least six burned automobiles, two postal trucks, and a fire truck on this single block.  Another view of West Broadway taken from one block further north near its corner with Park Place is shown in Figure 1101."    

"looking down West Broadway towards WTC7 (1101)" 

Note: also WTC5 on fire. 

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4606/imageiai.jpg  
     



@11:30am
  

Richard Hess

Source: 9/11 Archives

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub1030

Hess extended

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub1035

"Hess at window":

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4999/nwcsway00093.png

Extended footage around this time (11am-12pm+)

Hess video (before 12pm) - vehicles on fire northeast - heavy black smoke
And ConEd north face:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZduP7HTM3cg

Video match for vehicles above. Allegedly 11am-12pm.

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub1032


NIST:

QUOTE
http://www.911omissionreport.com/nist_report.pdf

L-18

"At 12:10 to 12:15 p.m.:
• Firefighters found individuals on Floors 7 and 8 and led them out of the building
• No fires, heavy dust or smoke were reported as they left Floor 8
• Cubicle fire was seen along west wall on Floor 7 just before leaving
• No heavy debris was observed in the lobby area as the building was exited, primarily white dust coating and black wires hanging from ceiling areas were observed


David Ray Griffin breakdown of the Hess interview:

"The 9/11 Interview with Michael Hess: Evidence that NIST Lied about When He and Barry Jennings Were Rescued"

QUOTE
"Another problem was that Hess had said that they had been trapped for “about an hour and a half.” If the event that trapped them did not happen until almost 10:30, as NIST claims, then they would not have been rescued before noon. And sure enough, in an Interim Report on WTC 7 put out by NIST in 2004, it claimed that Hess and Jennings had been rescued “[a]t 12:10 to 12:15 PM.” But that is clearly false, given the fact that Hess was being interviewed several blocks away before noon.44"


QUOTE
"Hess made this statement while being interviewed by Frank Ucciardo of UPN 9 News "on Broadway about a block from City Hall," almost a half mile from WTC 7. This interview began before noon, most likely at 11:34. The conclusion that it began at 11:34 is based on evidence derived from a DVD containing UPN 9 programs from that morning, in which the Hess interview begins at the 57-minute mark. According to a note on the DVD itself, its video began at 10:37 AM, which would mean that the Hess interview began at 11:34. It is possible, however, that the video might have actually started at 11:00: At the 111-minute mark, the UPN 9 program switched to live coverage by CNN of a Taliban news conference, and the only reference we have been able to find to this coverage indicates that it began at 12:51.3 This would mean that the video began at 11:00 and the Hess interview, therefore, at 11:57. Nevertheless, whether the earlier or the later starting time is correct, UPN 9 News began interviewing Michael Hess before noon."


Hess interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e3K9jcPdXc

OSS: Where are the images of Barry Jennings during this time?

Barry Jennings interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRaKHq2dfCI




@11:33am - 11:34am
  

http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/gen.php?id=NY_prach


http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC101.jpg

Exif data: 11:33am

http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC102.jpg

Exif data: 11:34am

http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC103.jpg

Exif data: 11:34am



@11:41am - 11:42am
  


http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC105.jpg

Exif data: 11:41am

http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC106.jpg

Exif data: 11:41am

http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC107.jpg

Exif data: 11:41am

http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC108.jpg

Exif data: 11:42am

http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC109.jpg

Exif data: 11:42am

http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC111.jpg

Exif data: 11:42am

http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC112.jpg

Exif data: 11:42am



@11:57am
  

http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC129.jpg

Exif data: 11:57am

http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC131.jpg

Exif data: 11:57am

http://911.yweb.sk/galleries/NY_prach/GJS-WTC132.jpg

Exif data: 11:57am



"Late morning, early afternoon"
  

Source: Erik Freeland/Pitts

QUOTE
"The white section of WTC 7 visible immediately below the 3rd floor is the eastern end of the building extension that housed the Consolidated Edison transformers.  To the immediately left of the extension is an opening for an underground ramp that led to a truck loading dock under the main WTC complex.  There is an entrance doorway to the immediate left of the ramp entrance that is not visible.  There was a second entrance near the center of the north face."

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4755/imageiau.jpg  
     


Source: William Cirone/Pitts

North - ConEd 

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4/imageexy.jpg  
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12pm-1pm
  


12pm
  

Source: NYPD/Pitts

Aerial view from nw of WTC7 roof/ east and west penthouses

QUOTE
"This cropped photograph taken from the northwest around 12:00 p.m. on September 11th shows the mechanical systems and penthouses on the roof of WTC 7."

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9826/imageiquz.jpg  
     


Source: NYPD/Pitts

QUOTE
"east face of WTC 7 was taken from the corner of Barclay Street and West Broadway looking down West Broadway.  The exact time is unknown, but was likely around 12:00 p.m.(?)" (fig. 195)

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/8117/imagecflm.jpg  
     


Source: NYPD/Pitts

"before noon"

WTC7 North/west aerial shot/lower NW corner visible/ heavy smoke from WTC6

http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~atlee/asc/wtc7/wtc7_noon.png


Possible match to above:

Source: Jason Mumbach

http://archive.org/download/JasonMumbach_w...bach_wtc7-5.jpg



12pm+
  


Source: George Miller/Pitts

QUOTE
"This cropped photograph showing the lower floors of the west face and a small section of the north for WTC 7 (OSS: ConEd) was taken on September 11th sometime after 12 p.m.  The light area in the upper left-hand corner was in shadow, and the intensity has been adjusted to make it more visible"

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/556/imagehjl.jpg  
     



@12:10 - 12:25pm
  


Source: Steve Spak/Pitts

Note: extended Spak footage can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_rhaUGrIbA

QUOTE
"The earliest visual evidence showing flames in WTC 7 is a video clip showing the southwest corner that was recorded between 12:10 a.m. and 12:25 p.m.  A frame from this video is reproduced in Figure 1104. "

And

"southwest corner of WTC 7 around the 22nd floor.  The clip was recorded from West Street near its corner with Vesey Street between 12:10 p.m. and 12:25 p.m" (1104)

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6233/imageyoxk.jpg  
   



 
12:10pm+
  


Source: Steve Spak/9/11 Archives

Video of above taken around this time (12:10pm+-)

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub1092



Source: Steve Spak/Pitts

QUOTE
"portion of the west face of WTC 7 at the south edge.  It was taken at 12:27:30 p.m. ± 1 s from near the corner of Vesey and West Streets.  The Verizon Building is in the foreground" 

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/4151/imageoks.jpg  
     


 
12:28+/- 3 mins
  

Source: Steve Spak/Pitts

QUOTE
" southwest corner of WTC 7 on the 29th and 30th floors.  The clip was recorded from West Street near its corner with Vesey Street around 12:28 a.m. ± 3 min" (Steve Spak)

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2281/imagengjv.jpg  
     


 
@12:30pm
  

Source:Richard Peskin @5:10mins 

Heavy smoke off to east of WTC7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C32moQhtLLI


 
12:35pm
  

Source: NYPD/Pitts

Overhead shot/WTC7 south face/heavy smoke from WTC5 and 6

QUOTE
"This photograph of the WTC site was shot around 12:35 p.m. from a helicopter.  WTC 7 is indicated.  The red lines identify the west and east edges of the building."

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6736/imagecol.jpg  
     


Author of following footage, Steve Spak.
Starts at 00:40mins (non sequential). 
@01:05mins in video - WTC6 fire/smoke seen from ground level around same time as above image.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNl0H38syuA

 
12:46pm
  

Source: Steve Spak/Pitts

QUOTE
"frame from a video shows a view of the south face of WTC 7 shot .... within a few minutes of 12:46:39 p.m.  The intensity levels have been adjusted."

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8421/imagekke.jpg  
     

Taken from this Steve Spak video footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjhvYUi8P6s


As above (12:46)

Source: Steve Spak/Pitts 

Note: firefighter measuring lean of building.

QUOTE
"This photograph showing a portion of the south face of WTC 7 was taken at 12:46:39 p.m"

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3016/imagengxi.jpg  
     


 
12:47pm
  

Source: Steve Spak/Pitts 

Note: previous fires at SW windows out

QUOTE
"the southwest corner of WTC 7 was shot from West Street at 12:47:40 p.m"

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9445/imagechj.jpg  
     



 
Between 12pm-1pm
  

Source: FOIA NIST WNBC_Dub10 Clips 90-98 / Steve Spak

Video of same area between 12pm and 1pm (@1:20mins match to first Spak image above - footage is very sparse through to 2:30pm+)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I97sF8LRFqk



 
12:57pm
  

Source: Mike Davis

http://archive.org/download/MikeDavis_DSCN...is_DSCN0873.jpg

Exif data (12:57:03pm)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...is_DSCN0873.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   12:57:03PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 18 hours, 14 minutes, 10 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"


As above:

http://archive.org/download/MikeDavis_DSCN...is_DSCN0875.jpg

Exif data (12:57:35pm):

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...is_DSCN0875.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   12:57:35PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 6 hours, 59 minutes, 15 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"

As above

http://archive.org/download/MikeDavis_DSCN...is_DSCN0876.jpg

Exif data (12:57:52pm)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...is_DSCN0876.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   12:57:52PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 18 hours, 16 minutes, 34 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"


Another possible Mike Davis shot:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6038/imagejck.jpg



12:59pm
  

Source: NBC News/9/11 Archives

Newsclip @1pm - wtc6 smoke seen in above images

http://archive.org/details/NBCAtlanta3timing



 
1:00pm
  

Source: WABC/Pitts

QUOTE
"south face of WTC 7 is a frame taken from a video shot from a helicopter hovering to the southwest of the WTC site.  The intensity levels have been adjusted.  The time is around 1:00 p.m"

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4024/imageoxy.jpg  




Another angle (WTC6 smoke collection) - Schmidt

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6082/imagetzf.jpg

As above 

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1051/imagermqt.jpg



Possible video match: (note: later in afternoon)

WTC5 smoke/pedestrian bridge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcO5z9hL0sQ

Aeriel shot of above around from earlier period with WTC6 in foreground (for bearings)

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/4624/imagewnd.jpg  



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1pm-2pm
  

Source: NIST

QUOTE
"NCSTAR 1A pg 52
The absence of diesel fuel fires on Floor 5 was consistent with the information from interviews that sometime after 1:00 p.m., OEM and FDNY staff climbed the east stairway of WTC 7 and did not see much damage on Floors 4, 5, or 6 from their viewing location. They made no mention of fire, heat or smoke."



East face (door - @1pm+)

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2589/imageplb.jpg

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8168/imagebih.jpg

East face 1pm-2pm(?)

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5797/imageiwgw.jpg

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2439/imagexur.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6112/imageucv.jpg

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/1899/imagepuq.jpg

Plain clothed figures:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9796/imagekfyl.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/65/imageavt.jpg


East face burnt out vehicles around same time period:

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/4076/imagecge.jpg

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/2801/imagefag.jpg

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/3249/imagenzt.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5744/imageymy.jpg


 
1:23pm
  



Source: CNN/911 Archives

Note: Heavy plumes of white and grey smoke rising south and east of WTC7.

@01:45mins, the actual source of the smoke can be seen to the right/west of WTC7. From WTC6. The smoke which is now further off to the left/east can be clearly seen as not coming from WTC7.

http://archive.org/details/CNN1-to-23030



1:30pm
 

Source: NBC 

Note: WTC7 from southwest - WTC6 smoke can again clearly be identified as the source of the majority of smoke as well as white smoke rising from the WTC complex.

http://archive.org/details/NBCAtlanta451


Source: WABC

Note: clearest video footage available of WTC7 south face

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WJgFc4wIaQ


As above

Source: Steve Spak/Pitts

Note: top half of photo cropped that cuts main source of smoke from WTC6.
Smoke rising from damaged southwestern section. No flames visible.
What can also be seen to the immediate right of the damaged section are the lower western section of the south face where no fires or blackening can be seen.

QUOTE
"The clearest shot showing WTC 7 south face damage available to the Investigation is reproduced in Figure 151.  It was taken shortly after 1:30 p.m." 

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6537/imagegzy.jpg  
     


Aerial FDNY FOIA released images showing the strange white smoke at the damaged corner:

Note: source of white smoke seems to be apparent rubble pile created by debris fall beside southwest corner.

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2620/221number19.jpg

As above:

Note: white smoke visible but no fires can be seen in surrounding area

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1470/221number22.jpg

Enlarged southwest section from above image:

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/8092/imageanx.jpg


Source: NYPD/Pitts

Note: steamlike, white billows of smoke emanating from damaged section. Similar white smoke can be seen drifting from between WTC5 and 6 to the right.

QUOTE
"looking down Vesey Street between the Verizon Building (left) and WTC 6 (right).  The image was taken shortly after 1:30 p.m.  The intensity levels have been adjusted."

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6203/imagepte.jpg  
     


Possible matches to above images:

Source: Library of Congress 

Also taken from poster DoYouEverWonder's site:

http://beyondpoliticsand911.com/photogalle...ils.php?album=1

Note: WTC complex, firefighters and smoke. Unsure if these images were around this timeframe or later but the smoke patterns in most match Spak's images/video footage.

In no particular order but judging by changes in personnel, equipment, placement of fires and smoke patterns, they've been taken over a period of time and could be from an earlier or later timeframe than 1pm - 2pm.


http://archive.org/download/LibraryOfCongr...yofcongress.jpg

http://archive.org/download/LibraryOfCongr...yofcongress.jpg

http://archive.org/download/LibraryOfCongr...yofcongress.jpg

http://archive.org/download/LibraryOfCongr...yofcongress.jpg

http://archive.org/download/LibraryOfCongr...yofCongress.jpg

http://archive.org/download/LibraryOfCongr...yofcongress.jpg

http://archive.org/download/LibraryOfCongr...yofCongress.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4547/imagetaf.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3415/imagewum.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/4646/imagetany.jpg

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/8696/imageyiy.jpg

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/268/imageepx.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7365/imageybt.jpg

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7500/imagepvh.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5082/imagejtf.jpg

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/478/imagepmw.jpg

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3576/imageplp.jpg

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7889/imagejrb.jpg

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/4372/imagevuf.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7845/imagegot.jpg

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/6760/imageitv.jpg

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2341/imagewoz.jpg

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1746/imageogp.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2413/imageweo.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2769/imageqaa.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8752/imageakr.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/35/imagevvl.jpg


Possible match to above:

Source: William Cirone compilation, Ground Zero, WTC5 and 6, WTC7 (north, west and south area)

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImaALIpxgk


Still @1:33mins in part 2 (similar to Steve Spak, WTC6 firefighters allegedly @12:45-1:30pm, possibly later)

Note (to self): images in this video also show "12:06" exif data to be wrong (@4:45mins)

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/1623/imagesplc.jpg

And @2:04mins

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5269/imagesgcf.jpg

And @4:53mins

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/5396/imagehuv.jpg


As above

Source: Albert P Ros(.)

http://archive.org/download/Albert_P__Ros_...ber_seven-2.jpg

As above

http://archive.org/download/Albert_P__Ros_...ber_seven-3.jpg


As above:

Source: NFPA

http://archive.org/download/NFPA_viewof7in...omNFPAdisk3.jpg



1:26pm - 1:27pm
 

Source: ABC Archives  1:23pm-2:04pm

Segment +3mins - 4:10mins — 1:26pm - 1:27pm

http://archive.org/details/abc200109111323-1404?start=179.5

Video still at 1:26pm

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/521/imagehdb.jpg



 1:31pm-1:32+pm
 

source: ABC 9/11 Archives

http://archive.org/details/abc200109111323-1404?start=479.5

Segment +8mins- 9:25mins —  1:31pm-1:32pm+

WTC6/grey smoke and WTC5 area/black smoke

Video still @8mins - 1:31pm (SouthEast away from WTC7 - black smoke)

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4506/imageblr.jpg

Video still @8:30mins - 1:31pm+ (South of WTC7 - WTC5 and 6 smoke)

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1739/imageneyo.jpg

Video still @8:35mins - 1:31pm+ (View from North of WTC7)

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4363/imageytg.jpg



 
1:40pm
 


Source: CNN/911 Archives

http://archive.org/details/CNN1-to-23075


 
 1:43pm- 1:47pm
 


20mins-24mins — (closeup WTC7 south damage included)

http://archive.org/details/abc200109111323-1404?start=1319.5

Video still @22:18mins — 1:45pm (south face of WTC7)

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3850/imageuvj.jpg

Video still @22:37mins — 1:45pm+ (view from north of WTC7) 

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9745/imageaiph.jpg


 
 1:54pm
 


31mins — 1:54pm

http://archive.org/details/abc200109111323-1404?start=1859.5

Video still @31:13mins — 1:54pm (smoke south of WTC7)

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4545/imagedurp.jpg

Video still @31:21mins — 1:54pm

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6695/imageqit.jpg

Video still @31:56 — @1:55pm (sources of black and grey smoke south of WTC7)



 
1:56pm
 

Source: NBC  

South face WTC7/mulitiple sources of smoke from WTC complex

http://archive.org/details/NBCAtlanta499

Video still

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9387/imageemb.jpg

http://archive.org/details/abc200109111323-1404?start=2159.5

36mins - 37:20mins — @2pm - 2:01pm

Video still @36:42mins —@2pm (pall of grey smoke rising)

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7343/imageems.jpg



Source: George Miller/Pitts

QUOTE
"This cropped photograph shows the lower portion of the east face of WTC 7.  The image was taken shortly after 2:00 p.m. on September 11th from near the corner of Barclay Street and West Broadway.  The intensity levels have been enhanced"

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/410/imagexfo.jpg  
     

Possible video match (timeframe) for above

Source: WNBC/911 Archives

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub1097


As above:

Source: WNYW  (from west)

http://archive.org/details/WNYWDub301



 
2pm
 

Source: Shepard Sherbell/Pitts 

Note - south face, eastern section lower floors

QUOTE
"shot from the corner of Vesey Street and West Broadway looking west down Vesey Street.  The time of the photograph is unknown, but it was taken prior to the time when flames appeared on the east face of WTC 7 around 2:00 p.m"

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5015/imagextd.jpg  
     


Possible match for above:

Source: possible Cirone

South face bridge:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5904/imagedtn.jpg



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2pm-3pm
 


QUOTE
I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)



QUOTE
I am well aware of Mr. Silverstein's statement, but to the best of my recollection, I did not speak to him on that day and I do not recall anyone telling me that they did either. That doesn't mean he could not have spoken to someone from FDNY, it just means that I am not aware of it. 

- FDNY Chief of Operations Daniel Nigro (fire department commander on 9/11)



 
2:07pm
 

Source: CNN 

View of WTC7 from north/heavy grey smoke drifting off to east.

http://archive.org/details/CNN1-to-230114



 
2:08pm
 

Source: William Cirone compilation, Ground Zero, WTC5 and 6, WTC7 (north, west and south area)

Part 1 from 4:16mins - 2:08pm (according to Steve Spak/Pitts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z2fYF3Abb4

Same scene (@4:16mins) different cameraman (fire between WTC5 and 6) 

@0:01mins

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub1096

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5641/imagefxg.jpg

VIP - videostill @00:14mins in same shot of fires in windows east face used by Pitts (quoted as being shot at "2:08pm")

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3208/imagerheo.jpg




As above (2:08pm)

Source: Steve Spak/Pitts

QUOTE
"east face of WTC 7 was taken at 2:08:28 p.m. ± 1 s from West Broadway near its corner with Park Place"

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5978/imagegvxx.jpg  



Some time before above timeframe (2:08pm) as these sequential shots:

Source: Erik Freeland/Pitts

QUOTE
"Figure 1102.  This photograph was taken looking down West Broadway towards WTC 7 from near its corner with Park Place.  The intensity levels have been adjusted."

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7913/imagezcw.jpg  
     

Source: Erik Freeland/Pitts

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/images...yPhotos8101.jpg

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/images...yPhotos8104.jpg

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/images...yPhotos8105.jpg

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4711/imageusl.jpg

Same group of people seen in above [Pitts] image, though no apparent fires around WTC5 [earlier?]

Source: Erik Freeland/Pitts

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7913/imagezcw.jpg


Same video still (above) seen In following Steve Spak video @2:45mins:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I97sF8LRFqk

And here

Source: WNBC/911 Archives

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub1097

Note: @3:40mins in above YouTube video WTC5 and 6 are fully ablaze (@2:30pm-3pm?)

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/356/imagegcyq.jpg




As above (2:08pm)

Source of  "Pitts" stills from following video (00:45mins)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNl0H38syuA


QUOTE
"east face of WTC 7 was taken at 2:08:28 p.m. ± 1 s from West Broadway near its corner with Park Place"

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5978/imagegvxx.jpg  
     


Note: WTC5 fires (recorded around same timeframe?) @00:52mins 

Video still:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1092/imageqgo.jpg


 
2:11pm
 

Source: Steve Spak/Pitts

QUOTE
"east face of WTC 7 at 2:11:09 p.m. ± 1 s"

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9815/imageivp.jpg  
     



 
2:13pm
 

Source: Nicolas Cianca

View of WTC7 from north/heavy grey smoke from WTC5 and 6 area

http://archive.org/download/NicolasCianca_...CA_DSCN2048.jpg

Exif data (14:13:50pm)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...CA_DSCN2048.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   2:13:50PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 17 hours, 7 minutes ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"




 
2:19pm
 


Source: FOX /911 Archives

Note: South face WTC7 (from helicopter)

http://archive.org/details/Networksclips16


 
2:30pm
 

Source: Arquelia Galarza

http://archive.org/download/ArqueliaGalarz...ie-DSCN0364.jpg

Exif data  (2:30)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...ie-DSCN0364.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   2:30:17PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 16 hours, 30 minutes ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"

As above (source of darker smoke off to southwest)

http://archive.org/download/ArqueliaGalarz...ie-DSCN0365.jpg

Exif data

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...ie-DSCN0365.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   2:30:55PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 6 hours, 49 minutes, 57 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"

As above

http://archive.org/download/ArqueliaGalarz...ie-DSCN0366.jpg

Exif data (2:31pm)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...ie-DSCN0366.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   2:31:04PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 6 hours, 52 minutes, 11 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"

as above (2:36pm)

http://archive.org/download/ArqueliaGalarz...ie-DSCN0369.jpg

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...ie-DSCN0369.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   2:36:47PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 6 hours, 48 minutes, 12 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"


Match (smoke pattern) for above:

Source: Aman Zafar (high resolution)

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-105.jpg

As above (sequential)

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-106.jpg

As above (sequential)

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-107.jpg

As above (sequential)

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-108.jpg

As above (sequential)

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-109.jpg


Possible match for above (or earlier timeframe)

Source: NFPA

Note: obvious source of smoke from WTC6

http://archive.org/download/NFPA_viewof7in...omNFPAdisk3.jpg


Possible match for above (same smoke billowing through west face corner window/darker smoke than earlier images)

Source: Steve McCurry

http://archive.org/download/SteveMcCurry_M...rryNYC14148.jpg

Match (smoke pattern) for above:

Source:Aman Zafar

Note: Partial view of WTC7 south face at western corner - no fires or blackened windows/black smoke apparently coming from 2 windows on corner of western face    

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-110.jpg

As above (Steve McCurry)

http://archive.org/download/SteveMcCurry_M...rryNYC14149.jpg

As above

http://archive.org/download/SteveMcCurry_M...rryNYC14147.jpg

As above

http://archive.org/download/SteveMcCurry_M...rryNYC14154.jpg

As above (loads of firefighters dotted around the area)

http://archive.org/download/SteveMcCurry_M...rryNYC14166.jpg


Possible aerial match for above timeframes:

WTC7 south/post collapses/WTC6 smoke (black)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2229/imagegec.jpg



 
"2:15pm - 2:27pm"
 

Source: Steve Spak/Pitts

QUOTE
"east face of WTC 7.  Flames are visible on the 12th floor.  The exact time is unknown, but was between 2:15 p.m. and 2:27 p.m"

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7221/imageqyi.jpg  
     

Seen in following video @3:20mins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I97sF8LRFqk


As above (2:28pm)

Source: Steve Spak/Pitts

QUOTE
"east face of WTC 7 at 2:28:43 p.m. ± 1 s"

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9873/imagetbi.jpg  
     


As above (2:28pm+)

Source: Shawn Hutchison/Pitts

QUOTE
"east face of WTC 7 was taken at some unknown time after 2:28:43 a.m. from near the corner of West Broadway and Barclay Street.  The building to the left is the U.S. Post Office"

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2985/imagenmcv.jpg  
     




 
@2:30pm
 

Source:Richard Peskin @7:08mins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C32moQhtLLI

Video still:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3861/imageqye.jpg


As above:

Source: Frank Didik

http://www.didik.com/wtc2.htm

"7 World Trade Center, at about 2:30PM"

http://archive.org/download/SalomonSmithBa...ey_MVC_895X.jpg


FDNY helicopter shots - possibly taken between 2pm and 3pm (closer to 2:30pm (?) cross referencing ground level images here.



Videostills from above:

Entire west face/WTC6 smoke/white smoke on south face

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5439/imagerjj.jpg

As above (lower west face obscured)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8679/imagekez.jpg

Cropped:



South (obscured) and west (lower face obscured)

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4931/imageopc.jpg

Cropped:




West face/white smoke on south face/WTC6

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9578/imageqrcd.jpg

Cropped:



As above:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9787/imageirt.jpg

Cropped:



North face @3pm

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9001/imageftoy.jpg

From west/WTC6

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/2109/imagethb.jpg

Cropped



As above:

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/7177/imagepfs.jpg

As above:

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5899/imageklco.jpg

Upper south face from west/lower floors clear of smoke bar one column of grey smoke

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7108/imageidi.jpg

Cropped:



As above:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/694/imageelgg.jpg

Cropped:






 
2:57pm - 3:00pm
 

Source: NYPD/Pitts 

QUOTE
"lower floors of WTC 7 near the northwest corner.  It is estimated to have been taken between 2:15 p.m. and 2:45 p.m.  The roof line in the lower left hand corner is 123 Barclay Street."

And

"This image was estimated to have been taken between 2:15 p.m. and 2:45 p.m. by relating it to other photographs taken earlier that show fires on the east side of WTC 7 and the south side of WTC 5"

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5759/imagefhx.jpg  
     

Edit: original footage for above shot which corresponds with the NYPD aerial shots allegedly taken "between 2:15pm and 2:45pm"

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9277/imagels.jpg


Early to mid afternoon
 

WTC5 fires filmed from this area (east of WTC7):

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5958/imagejjip.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaO2fON1H98


WTC5 and 6 fires seen around same time (probable) @3:37mins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I97sF8LRFqk



 
2:57pm - 3:00pm
 

Source: NYPD/Pitts

Note: very sporadic fires on floors 7 and 12

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was taken from a helicopter around 2:57 p.m. ± 300"

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/4023/imageaoj.jpg  
    



 
@3:00pm+
 


Source: Pitts/CBS

QUOTE
"looking down on WTC 7 from a building to the northwest shows the fires along a length of the north side of the 7th floor of WTC 7.  The video clip was recorded shortly after the photograph in Figure 1114 (above) was taken.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6403/imagexni.jpg  
     


 
3:00pm
 

Source: Pitts/Michael Davis

QUOTE
"west face of WTC 7 was taken shortly after 3:00 p.m. from West Street"

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8964/imageldp.jpg  
  

Note: Exif data on this image shows "12:06pm" but the fire progression contradicts this timeframe:

Steve Spak claims to have taken this image which shows the fires at the southwestern corner alight as opposed to Davis' image which shows them blackened, but extinguished.
     

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/4151/imageoks.jpg 

Contd.

http://archive.org/download/MikeDavis_DSCN...is_DSCN0862.jpg

Exif data (12:06pm - incorrect)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...is_DSCN0866.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   12:06:11PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes, 5 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"   

As above (Michael Davis and 12:06pm exif data - incorrect)

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/9...is/DSCN0866.jpg

As above (Michael Davis and 12:03pm exif data - incorrect)

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/9...is/DSCN0862.jpg  


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3pm-4pm
 


 
3:05+
 

Source: NYPD/Pitts

Note: Northwest face, floors 7 (dying) and 12 fires

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was taken from a helicopter around 3:05 p.m. ± 300 s"

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/745/imagegiw.jpg  
     


Match for above:

Source: Terry Shmidt

Entire north face - fires on lower floors/ ConEd visible

http://archive.org/download/TerrySchmidt_I...dt_IMG_1511.jpg

As above

http://archive.org/download/TerrySchmidt_I...dt_IMG_1512.jpg


As above:

Source: CBS/Pitts

Note: Floor 12 northwest face fire (close-up)

QUOTE
"north side of the 12th floor of WTC 7.  The video clip was recorded around the same time as the photograph in Figure 1116(above) was taken"

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2361/imagegtam.jpg  
   


Taken from this video footage:

Source: CBS/911 Archives

http://archive.org/details/CBS-NetDub636



 
3:06pm
 


Source: Terry Schmidt

Note: source of majority of grey smoke clearly seen to be coming from WTC6

http://archive.org/download/TerrySchmidt_I...dt_IMG_1508.jpg

Exif data

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...dt_IMG_1508.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   3:06:33PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 20 days, 15 hours, 42 minutes, 11 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"

No time - possible match to above.

Note: "creaking" from WTC6?

Source: WNBC/911 Archives

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub3_86

And

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub3_89

And

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub3_92


As above (Schmidt)

http://archive.org/download/TerrySchmidt_I...dt_IMG_1506.jpg

As above (Schmidt)

http://archive.org/download/TerrySchmidt_I...dt_IMG_1502.jpg

As above (Shmidt)

http://archive.org/download/TerrySchmidt_I...dt_IMG_1503.jpg



 
3:10pm
 

Source: Frank Didik/Pitts

Note: floors 7 and 12 fires (more central north face)

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was taken from a building located to the northwest looking down Greenwich Street at 3:10:46 p.m. ± 3 s"

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4433/imagexdv.jpg  
   


As above:

Source: Frank Didik/Pitts

As above (close-up)

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was taken within a very few minutes of the image in Figure 1119 (above). Fires are visible on the 7th and 12th floors"

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3761/imagediq.jpg  
     



 
3:11pm - 3:16pm
 

Source: As above

Note: as above (12th floor) but the fire has moved one "window space"

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was taken between 3:11:15 p.m. and 3:16:51 p.m.  Fires are visible on the 12th floor"

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8481/imageylbz.jpg  
   



@3:12pm
 

Source: Frank Didik/Pitts

Note: floors 7 and 12/Ground floor (ConEd visible) - no smoke or fires

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was taken around 3:12:50 p.m. with an estimated uncertainty of ± 300 s from near the corner of Murray and Greenwich Streets"

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9908/imageovo.jpg  
     



 
@3:13pm
 

Similar to images in this video:

http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/Bld7.mov


As above (3:13pm)

Source: Terry Shmidt/Pitts

Note: floors 7 and 12/mid-north face

QUOTE
"This photograph showing the north face of WTC 7 was taken around 3:13 p.m. on September 11th.  Floor numbers have been added, and the image intensity has been adjusted"

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6852/imagexpp.jpg  
     



 
"3:20pm - 3:40pm"
 

Source: FDNY/Pitts 

Note: WTC5 and WTC7 floor 12, east face on fire.
Floor 8 ("Hess window") smoke. First visual evidence of fire on this floor on the northeast - eastern section of the building.

QUOTE
"east edge of the north face and an oblique view of the east face of WTC 7 was taken from the near the corner of West Broadway and Park Place.  The buildings burning in the background are WTC 5 (left) and WTC 6 (right), and the U.S. Post Office is on the left.  The time was likely between 3:20 p.m. and 3:40 p.m"

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/2562/imagejtj.jpg  
    


 


 
"3:30pm - 4:30pm"
 

Source: Jay Comella/Pitts

QUOTE
"This cropped photograph shows the west face of WTC 7 from West Street between 3:30 p.m. and 4:30 p.m. on September 11th.  The structure on the left is the Verizon Building, and the building just visible at the bottom is WTC 6.  The intensity levels have been adjusted"

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7458/imageesrs.jpg 
     

More images attributed to Jay Comella (that show what Pitts cropped out - as was done to all images where WTC5 and 6 were the smoke source)

http://archive.org/download/JayComella_jay...ycomella13a.jpg

As above

http://archive.org/download/JayComella_jay...aycomella3a.jpg

As above (south side strange damage)

http://archive.org/download/JayComella_jay...aycomella8a.jpg

Following Comella shot taken from west:

http://archive.org/download/JayComella_jay...aycomella1a.jpg


Also match for POV @00:30secs in this video (possibly within same timeframe -3:30pm+?)

http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/Bld7.mov

Video still of POV

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8498/imageaagc.jpg


Possible matches for above image/author/POV of Jay Comella

Note: WTC6 is the main source of smoke

http://archive.org/download/JayComella_jay...aycomella3a.jpg



3:25pm
 


Source: FEMA

Note: WTC5 probable source of darker smoke. Images above prove that the following statement is false.

QUOTE
"Another photograph (Figure 5-18) of the skyline at 3:25 p.m., taken from the southwest, shows a large volume of dark smoke coming from all but the lowest levels of WTC 7, where white smoke is emanating"

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8495/imageqffr.jpg  
     



 
3:42pm
 

Source: FDNY/Pitts (ConEd and lower floors visible)

Note: Floor 12 mid-north face.
First visual evidence of fire on floor 8 on north face.
Fire on floor 7 appears to be extinguished.

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was shot looking down Greenwich Street from near the corner of Greenwich and Warren Streets at around 3:42 p.m. with an estimated uncertainty of ± 300"

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7587/imagejay.jpg  
     


ConEd visible - possible match (timeframe - fires and white smoke) to image at beginning of this video:

http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/Bld7.mov


 
"3:47pm - 4:09pm"
 

Source: WCBS reporter Vince Demetri (video)

FOIA released footage (edited)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRKCSmnR3ow



Demetri/Cirone footage and Pitts:

Compare this Demetri still between 3:42 and 4:05pm from this video @2:45mins...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRKCSmnR3ow

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8773/imagegtef.jpg

To the same POV (ConEd on left) as Cirone footage @5:20mins in this footage (probably shot earlier - white smoke at sw corner whereas the area is clearer in the Demetri shot):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z2fYF3Abb4

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5674/imagecgr.jpg


 Note: Same Demetri source but with actual timeframe displayed at beginning: "16:34pm"

(Also note: Cirone footage has time dusplay after 4pm but none before - so it's available to nail timeframes.) 
   

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ukO3hENZ9zA



 
"3:49pm - 4:09pm" 
 

As above:

Source: CBS/Demetri/Pitts

Note: Fires on northwest face of WTC7 completely extinguished.

Fire at west corner, floor 8.

Windows on north face below 7th floor/ConEd area intact.

QUOTE
"northwest corner of WTC 7 is a frame taken from a video recorded from inside the lobby of 123 Barclay Street between 3:47 p.m. and 4:07 p.m"

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/4582/imageetp.jpg  
     


Source: as above (Demetri "3:42pm to 4:05pm)

Note: Close-up of same area above.

QUOTE
"west face of WTC 7 is a frame taken from a video recorded from inside the lobby of 123 Barclay Street between 3:47 p.m. and 4:07 p.m"

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/748/imageuuw.jpg  
     


Source: as above (Demetri "3:42pm to 4:05pm)

Note: sporadic fires 8th and 12th floors northeast to mid face. The 8th floor fire was travelling west to east.

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 is a frame taken from a video recorded from inside the lobby of 123 Barclay Street between 3:49 p.m. and 4:09 p.m"

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1637/imageldz.jpg  
     




 
"3:49pm - 4:09pm"
 

As above (screenshots from same Demetri video)

Note: ConEd, northwest face - no fires, blackening or broken windows

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5166/imagejau.jpg




 
"3:49pm - 4:09pm"
 

Note: the east face (left of image) had shown thick, black smoke (http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/2562/imagejtj.jpg) allegedly only "10 - 30mins" before and now thick plumes of white smoke are rising.

As above (screenshots from Demetri video)

Note: northwest corner black smoke/heavy white smoke to east 

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3717/imagecna.jpg

The above image ,which shows black smoke rising from the northwest corner lower floors area, was allegedly taken between "3:49pm - 4:09pm". When compared to the Comella shot taken from the opposite side of the building, allegedly taken between "3:30pm - 4:30pm" the black smoke isn't visible ( the west side of WTC7 is visible from the 25th floor up (http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7458/imageesrs.jpg)

http://archive.org/download/JayComella_jay...ycomella13a.jpg




 
"3:49pm - 4:09pm"
 

As above (screenshots from Demetri video)

Note: North face/ground floor/ConEd

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7430/imagebwgr.jpg


 
"3:49pm - 4:09pm"
 

As above (screenshots from Demetri video)

Note: smoke from "Hess window" on 8th floor/northeast face

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/7669/imageggc.jpg


 
"3:49pm - 4:09pm"
 

As above (screenshots from Demetri video)

Note: from northeast corner towards burning WTC5/WTC7 loading ramp[?] visible - windows intact

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/931/imagexwq.jpg




 
3:42pm
 


Source: FDNY/Pitts 

Note: ConEd and lower floors visible

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was shot looking down Greenwich Street from near the corner of Greenwich and Warren Streets at around 3:42 p.m. with an estimated uncertainty of ± 300"

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7587/imagejay.jpg  
     


ConEd and lower floors visible - possible match to images at beginning of this video (Richard Peskin)

http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/Bld7.mov


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4pm-5:20pm
 


 
4:06pm
 

Source: William Cirone compilation, Ground Zero, WTC5 and 6, WTC7 (north, west and south area)

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImaALIpxgk

@5:06mins, time shown on cam is 4:06pm

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6986/imagewzft.jpg

@5:20mins, time shown is 4:10pm

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/2999/imagegii.jpg

@5:35mins, time shown as 4:13pm

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3154/imageamoy.jpg


 
"3:55pm - 4:15pm"
 

Source: CBS/Demetri/Pitts

Note: northeast face WTC7

QUOTE
"shot from near the corner of Greenwich Street and Park Place shows the north face of WTC 7.  The time is estimated as between 3:55 p.m. and 4:15 p.m.  The building on the left is 30 West Broadway"

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1471/imagekwm.jpg  
     




 
"4:03pm - 4:23pm"
 


Source: CBS/Demetri/Pitts 

Note: Curious since the NIST FOIA claims that the footage is allegedly until  4:09pm    

QUOTE
"eastern side of the north face of WTC 7.  The time is estimated as being between 4:03 p.m. and 4:23 p.m"

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/7892/imageosu.jpg  
   

CBS footage (and description) here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRKCSmnR3ow




"4:05pm - 4:25pm"
 

Source: CBS/Pitts

Note: Curious since the NIST FOIA claims that the footage is allegedly until  4:09pm    


QUOTE
"lower northeast corner of WTC 7.  The time is estimated as being between 4:05 p.m. and 4:25 p.m"

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/5799/imagevge.jpg  
     

Possible video match for above:

Source: WNBC/911 Archives

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub4A2

And

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub4A3

 
4:15pm
 

CNN announces that "WTC7 has collapsed or is about to collapse"

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PqbGfCcef0



 
4:31pm
 

Source: Abe Conby

Note: South face of WTC7 from southwest

http://archive.org/download/AbeConby_DSCF0...by_DSCF0558.jpg

Exif data (4:31:48pm)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...by_DSCF0558.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   4:31:48PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 21 hours, 43 minutes, 32 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"





 
"4:25pm - 4:45pm"
 

Source: "Anonymous" 

Note: possibly later judging by image that follows this.

Black smoke seen rising from northwest corner out of shot

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was taken from near the corner of Greenwich and Harrison Streets.  The time could not be determined exactly, but based on the fire distributions a range of 4:25 p.m. and 4:45 p.m. was estimated"

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4708/imagekeqt.jpg  
     




4:37pm
 


Source: Richard Peskin/Pitts 

Note: no black smoke at lower floors as in previous image

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 at 4:37:46 p.m. ± 1 s."

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5420/imagefwk.jpg  
     


Richard Peskin edited footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE568HMP6MY



 
4:38pm
 

Source:Richard Peskin/Pitts

Note: north face fires almost extinguished/no black smoke as seen in "4:25pm - 4:45pm" shot

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was recorded at 4:38:11 p.m. ± 1 s.  The video was shot from the same location as the frame in Figure 1139 (above)"

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2597/imagebpw.jpg  
     

Peskin edited footage (again):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE568HMP6MY


 
"4:39pm"
 

Source: Frank Didik/Pitts 

Note: contradicts two previous Peskin shots @4:37pm and 4:38pm


QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 shot from near the corner of Harrison and Greenwich Streets.  The time of the image is estimated to be 4:39 p.m. ± 120 s."

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2153/imagewmf.jpg  
     




 
4:49pm
 

Source: NBC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx8oOVm7zvg

 

"4:30pm - 5:00pm"
 


Source: Abe Conby/Pitts

Note: upper south face of WTC7 visible

QUOTE
"west side of the south face of WTC 7 was taken between 4:30 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. from near the corner of West Street and Liberty Street"

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/6318/imagehaz.jpg. 
   

Source of smoke can be seen in another Abe Conby shot:

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6153/imagenvna.jpg

Source for above image:

http://archive.org/stream/AbeConby#page/n17/mode/1up



 
4:52:56pm
 

Source: Abe Conby

South of wtc7 

http://archive.org/download/AbeConby_DSCF0...by_DSCF0583.jpg

Exif data (4:52pm)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...by_DSCF0583.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   4:52:56PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 15 hours, 12 minutes, 12 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"



 
4:53:32pm
  


As above (Abe Conby)

http://archive.org/download/AbeConby_DSCF0...by_DSCF0585.jpg

Exif data (4:53pm)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...by_DSCF0585.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   4:53:32PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 15 hours, 15 minutes, 18 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"

Abe Conby FOIA released video footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuy2QnGp5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5_LxBBPQ1Q


 
@4:55pm
 

BBC announces "collapse"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc

OSS: that the BBC "lost the (live) feed" a few minutes before the collapse is the more suspicious and more open to investigation than "prior knowledge", for me personally.



 
5:04:39pm
 


As above (Abe Conby)

http://archive.org/download/AbeConby_DSCF0...by_DSCF0591.jpg

Exif data (5:04pm)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...by_DSCF0591.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   5:04:39PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 15 hours, 7 minutes, 41 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"



 
5:05pm
 


Source: CNN

http://archive.org/details/CNNDub201



 
5:09pm
 


Source: CNN

http://archive.org/details/CNNDub202



 
5:13pm
 


Source: CNN

http://archive.org/details/CNNDub203

Source: CBS

Note: strangely enhanced continuous footage allegedly starting at 5:13pm which includes collapse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO7dZgyLWWo



 
@5:14pm
 


Source: Frank Didik/Pitts (black smoke at lower floors)

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was taken from a building located to the northwest looking down Greenwich Street at 5:13:58 p.m. ± 3 s"

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2825/imageics.jpg  



WTC7 north face leading up to collapse:

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4841/imagelbz.jpg

As above. Sequential. Closer.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4272/imageosg.jpg

As above. Sequential. Lower north face floors

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9052/imageaua.jpg

Sequential. Thick black plume of smoke around lower floor area

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2921/imagejqa.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5738/imageilck.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8660/imagehvj.jpg


Source: NIST

Note: NIST on FDNY claims about lack of deisel fires Prior to WTC7 collapse

QUOTE
http://911speakout.org/NIST_Tech_Briefing_Transcript.pdf  (p18)

"Finally, the FDNY personnel that we spoke to did not see any indication of burning liquid fuels before the building collapsed."




 
@5:20pm
 


@5:20 (just prior to collapse)

Source: Pitts

QUOTE
"During the clip that Figure 1146 was taken from the camera zoomed in on the same area shown in Figure 1144.  Very heavy smoke was visible rising from near the northwest corner.  Suddenly, several pulses of jet flames several stories high were pushed out of one of a window near 13-54B on the 13th floor.  These pulses continued for about 6 s.  Figure 1147 shows a frame captured during one of the pulses.  The amount of smoke on the face increased dramatically at the same time."
     

The "unusual event" described above - Floor 13 fireball and smoke just prior to collapse better seen here:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_IAcuITqh6E

And

@5:20pm

Source: CBS/Pitts 

Note: sparse black smoke at lower floors

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7.  The exact time for this video clip is unknown, but it is estimated to have been taken within a few minutes of the WTC 7 collapse at 5:20:52 p.m"

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2571/imageual.jpg  
     


Just after collapse (from west):

Source: Jay Comella

http://archive.org/download/JayComella_jay...aycomella0a.jpg

Collapse compilations 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atbrn4k55lA 


Edit: Source: "John G " (NFPAS - National Fire Protection Association - Tim Tobiason?)

Note: a lot of interesting Ground Zero shots, etc, available at this link

http://s756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...John%20G_NFPAS/

WTC7 rubble

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0058.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0059.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0068.jpg

WTC5 and 6/WTC7 rubble

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0008.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0024.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0027.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0065.jpg

WTC5

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0014.jpg

WTC5 and 6

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0012.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0030.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0042.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0047.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0060.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0062.jpg



WTC6 overheads post collapse

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/37524ba295e3d93f0.jpg

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/37524ba295e4ec7e5.jpg

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/37524ba295e5c5e2f.jpg

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/37524ba299f7c561f.jpg

As above 9/12

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/37524ba299f89adf1.jpg

WTC6 overhead a few days later

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/375...aab3222403.jpg 


Edit: additional WTC7 rubble images in following days

WTC7 rubble pile 12th

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/37524ba917253f99e.jpg


http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k..._AND_CHURCH.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k..._N094_CHAMB.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...01/P1010024.jpg


WTC7 rubble pile 13th

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...01/P1010033.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...01/P1010040.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...01/P1010047.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...01/P1010049.jpg

Unsure of date:

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...01/P1010050.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0077.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0078.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0079.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0080.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0082.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0083.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0084.jpg

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http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0146.jpg

Edit: VIP hi-res images of WTC7 rubble pile:

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.009b.jpg

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.009.jpg

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.comp1a.jpg

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Conclusion A:


Exaggerations, ommissions and the south face of WTC7



QUOTE
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factshe...c_qa_082108.cfm


When did WTC 7 collapse?

On Sept. 11, 2001, WTC 7 endured fires for almost seven hours, from the time of the collapse of the north WTC tower (WTC 1) at 10:28:22 a.m. until 5:20:52 p.m., when WTC 7 collapsed.


This is blatantly false and is not supported by photographic or video evidence.

In fact, the above statement of fact is actually contradicted by another admitted assumption by NIST.

QUOTE
“... the ignition and early course of the fires (in WTC 7) were unknown because they were presumed to have occurred in the damaged and heavily smoke- shrouded southern portion of the building.”

page 376 of NCSTAR 1-9



10am — 11am

Video and photographic footage presently available show that there were no fires/smoke visible from the exterior facade of WTC7. Con-Ed, the roof, the south/west/east face lower floors, including the lobby/loading dock and the entire north face were free of fire or smoke.

11am — 12pm

Heavy plumes of smoke, the source of which are obscured by WTC7 itself can be attributed to and proven to be, from fires/smoke/smouldering of WTC5 and 6, the WTC1 and 2 collapse areas and multiple vehicles in the area.

Michael Hess who was alleged to have been rescued from floor 8 around 11:30am did not describe fires nor smoke coming from within the building (nor Barry Jennings for that matter). Both Hess and Jennings were reportedly inside WTC7 from before the south tower was struck until before noon.


In the videoclip itself of Hess, there are indeed a number of vehicles alight at the northwest corner. And there are no fires or smoke visible from the north, west or east of the building.

The south face of WTC7 was filmed both outside and inside before the North Tower collapse. 

Even the official narrative (Pitts) attributes the smoke seen off to the south of WTC7 during the early afternoon as originating from other sources. And can be proven to have been so.

For example, from the "12pm - 1pm" section, labelled "before noon"

http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~atlee/asc/wtc7/wtc7_noon.png


12pm — 1pm

The stills from the Steve Spak video which was repeatedly cited by Pitts/NIST concentrates on the southwest corner of WTC7 and the damage that the North Tower debris caused to this section of the building.

NIST used cropped, deceptive segments of this video footage to insinuate that the smoke seen running up the south face of WTC7 is from WTC7 itself. They know that they can't openly claim this (bar a few references from Pitts) because videos and images throughout the day disprove or at least cast serious doubt on this. The majority of heavy smoke is from sources nearby. 

Even the FOIA released Spak footage itself highlights this deception/ommission:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_rhaUGrIbA

Video and photographic evidence show no sign of fires at all until "between 12:10pm and 12:25pm" on the southwestern corner above the debris damage on floors 29 and 30. 

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/4151/imageoks.jpg

And which were seen to have been extinguished by "12:47pm"

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9445/imagechj.jpg

What is strange is how the smoke rolls around the south face of WTC7, particularly the southwest corner, and appears to be originating from that area until later images and videos show that the windows or facade in the western half of the south face are not blackened. At all.

This ABC still at around 1:30pm is one of the clearest examples we have proving that the south face, at least on the upper floors, wasn't on fire. At the very least that there were no fires to produce the smoke on the south face:

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2180/imagewzwf.jpg

Or this WABC extended higher resolution footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WJgFc4wIaQ


As for the lower floors, the images show no fires (bar white, dust-like smoke/smouldering emanating from the damaged southwest corner at @1:30pm until after 2pm. Even of the heavily censored images of the south face show that as late as around 2pm, there are no visible fires coming from the lower floors. There is white smoke drifting around the area, more than likely from the debris pile at the southwest corner that will be shown in the following:

Source: WABC

Note: clearest video footage available of WTC7 south face

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WJgFc4wIaQ

A lot of images and videos taken from this thread:

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/wtc-7-so...t203.html#p4208

FOX footage of south face WTC7 @1:30pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WJgFc4wIaQ

Enhanced versions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfhA_XsYUbk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a94uWPzl3zg

http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/3/2/90693943.jpg

Enhanced section blown up

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4756/imagesucp.jpg

Aerial FDNY FOIA released images similar to Steve Spak footage (1:46pm+) showing the strange white smoke at the damaged corner:

Note: the main source of white smoke seems to be the apparent rubble pile created by debris beside the southwest corner.

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2620/221number19.jpg

As above:

Note: white smoke visible but no fires can be seen in surrounding area. Most notably on lower floors on south and west face:

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1470/221number22.jpg

Enlarged southwest section from above image:

Note: entire southwest corner visible (13, 12, 8 and 6 included - no fires visible). Smoke emanating from corner windows on floors 18 and 22 on west face.

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/8092/imageanx.jpg

Steve Spak SW corner image:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3139/wtc7holexy2.jpg

As above

Floors and columns

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/wec...alysis_crop.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/wec...alysis_full.jpg



This image was allegedly taken at 2pm from the southeastern corner of WTC7:

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5015/imagextd.jpg

Enlargement of lower floors of south face:

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/images...ewithsouzz8.jpg

For bearings and an idea of what we're actually looking at, here's an image of the same area pre-911 from the south:

http://archive.org/download/MichaelChan_so...before9-11.jpg 



Video still which shows the upper central section of the upper floors on the south face:

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/9...m_Franklin2.jpg

Taken from this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_jLMlIDD1U

Jay Comella shots taken "between 3:30pm and 4:30pm"

Upper central section of south face:

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3176/r13w...sjaycomella.jpg

As above - upper eastern section of south facade:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3176/r13w...sjaycomella.jpg

Above image enhanced:

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5808/imageorqb.jpg

Aman Zafar (3pm+) - southwest corner and small section of middle upper floors visible beyond the strange linear damage:

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-110.jpg

Southwest corner lower floors from above image - floors 11 to 14 on the western section of the south face can be seen. Also floor 13 upwards on the southern section of the west face. No visible fires. Or signs that a fire had passed through there:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4517/imagezjis.jpg    


To sum up:

a) there is no visual evidence of there being fires for "seven hours". Not even close.

b) the first images of (sustained) fire is on the 13th floor of the east face at @2pm. Not the NIST claim of "10:30am".

c) the majority of smoke we see all day is coming from the WTC complex, particularly WTC5 and 6. 

d) the south face isn't as "shrouded" as NIST would have us believe. I defy anybody to point out the fires in this area. The smoke rolling over the south facade is uniform in nature and shows no definitive source on the facade itself.

Edit added:

A closer look at the Southwest area of WTC7


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Conclusion B:


Exaggerations and Inventions


NIST add another blatant exaggeration to an already blatant falsehood.

QUOTE
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factshe...c_qa_082108.cfm

What caused the fires in WTC 7?

Debris from the collapse of WTC 1, which was 370 feet to the south, ignited fires on at least 10 floors in the building at its south and west faces. However, only the fires on some of the lower floors-7 through 9 and 11 through 13-burned out of control.


First off, NIST admitted that any fires on the south face of WTC7 were based on a "presumption"...

QUOTE
“... the ignition and early course of the fires (in WTC 7) were unknown because they were presumed to have occurred in the damaged and heavily smoke- shrouded southern portion of the building.”

page 376 of NCSTAR 1-9


....and there are no visible fires or definitive signs of fire damage on the south face, even with the censored and purposely confusing imagery that we have begrudgingly been presented with. The southwest corner is damaged, yes, but the facades to the immediate west and south show no fire spreading from this area. Is there smoke emanating fron the damaged southwestern corner? Yes, mainly white smoke. White smoke that can be seen emanating from various debris piles around Ground Zero.

If it's claimed that there may have been internal fires in that area, it's based on assumption. What is ridiculous is the insinuation that fires could physically be self contained within the lower floors of the south face for hours without spreading to the other facades.

NIST, despite obviously contradicting itself, tries to give the impression that 
"10 floors" simultaneously combusted from the north tower collapsed. Especially aimed at those new to the information or willing to accept their word for it without researching the issue.

Breakdown of the fires floor by floor

A section of floors 28 and 29 at the southwest corner was alight until "12:47pm"

The next visible fire was at floor 12 on the east face at @2pm. A full hour and 
a quarter after the last visible fire was extinguished.

"2:08pm" east face:

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5978/imagegvxx.jpg

At "2:28pm", floor 11 partially ignited, but both appeared to have the same burn rate - @20-30mins per 4 to 5 windows:

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9873/imagetbi.jpg

"Between 2:15pm to 2:45pm", dark smoke seen running along the west face was attributed to a fire on one of the floors on that side of the building:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5759/imagefhx.jpg

What's hard to believe is that the authors of various images and videos shot on the west face of WTC7 throughout the day, failed to record this alleged fire.

The fact that no flames or source were filmed, that the image is cropped coupled with the nature in which previous images were cropped by NIST/Pitts prior to FOIA release which showed how the perception of the images were manipulated to obscure the true source of smoke on the south face, I'm dubious of this image.
Don't forget the previous images posted from around or after the same timeframe, in which the lower floors at the western corner were filmed and show no fire/scorch damage.


The next visible fires were two sparsely separated events on floors 7 and 12 on the north face at 3pm:

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/4023/imageaoj.jpg

Note also in the above image that ConEd is neither producing smoke or fire.

Bar the first filmed fire anywhere in WTC7 on the east face at 2:08pm since a short lived outburst on floors 29 and 30 that was out by 12:47pm , it's now after 3pm before a fire of any note is filmed on the 12th floor on the northeast corner. The same floor where the initial 2:08pm shot was taken.

Office fires are seen spreading across the north face of WTC7, but were generally moving, and burning themselves out, at a rate of 4-5 windows every 20+ minutes based on the timeframes. 

The easiest way to show this calculation is to look at the fire on the east face from (allegedly) 2:08pm to 2:28pm (from the "2pm-3pm" section). In sequential order:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9815/imageivp.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7221/imageqyi.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9873/imagetbi.jpg

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2985/imagenmcv.jpg


The next sequential images from the same source as the earlier image, CBS, show just how exaggerated the "out of control fires on multiple floors" claim actually is:

North face:

Floors 8 and 12 are burning in different directions.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1637/imageldz.jpg

West face:

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/4582/imageetp.jpg

By the time the black smoke (http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3717/imagecna.jpg) is seen rising from the west face of WTC7 in the CBS footage "between 3:42 and 4:05", the east face is now exuding white smoke. The fires on the west side of the north face are completely burned out bar the northeast corner of Floor 8. Floor 7 is completely extinguished.

The 8th floor north face fire was almost burned out by 4:09pm (according to footage submitted to NIST by CBS) and according to the "burn rate" vs windows remaining, would have burned up by @4:30pm at the latest:

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/7669/imageggc.jpg

The smoke source to replace the 12th floor fire would be on the 8th floor (smoke in the image at the lower floor is emanating from the window that Barry Jennings allegedly broke and where Hess was seen calling for help in a video)

In fact, an AE911Truth simulation of the Floor 12 fire based on visual evidence and quoting the original 2004 NIST report pointed out that the fires were out by 4:45pm.

"http://www2.ae911truth.org/downloads/WTC_fire_sim_comparison_080912c.pdf?format=pdf"

QUOTE
According to NIST, the fire on floor 12 caused the girder between columns 79 and 44 under floor 13 to fail at 5:20 PM. Theoretically, this was the beginning of the initiating event that led to the implosion of WTC 7.

On page 383 of NIST NCSTAR 1-9 Vol. 1 (2008), the fire simulations graphic of floor 12 shows the fire burning around column 79 at 4:00 and 5:00 PM. The NIST simulation is not consistent with the photo- graphs of the fire. The photographs show, and the NIST Appendix L report (2004) states “Around 4:45 PM, a photograph showed fires Floors 7, 8, 9, and 11 near the middle of the north face; Floor 12 was burned out by this time.”

In fact, it had burned out in the east end before 4:00 PM.

Therefore, the fire on floor 12 could not have caused floor 13 to collapse (at 5:20 PM) and the implosion of WTC 7 could not have occurred as NIST has proposed.
 

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Conclusion C


The reasons for the lies


I won't go into technical details (because I can't), but it needs to be pointed out why NIST exaggerated the fires.

QUOTE
http://www.nist.gov/manuscript-publication...m?pub_id=861610

The following factors describe the fire events that occurred in both WTC 7 and the referenced buildings: 

1) the fuel for the fires was ordinary office combustibles at ordinary combustible load levels

2) there was no use of accelerants

3) the spread of fire from combustible to combustible was governed by ordinary fire physics

4) fire-induced window breakage provided ventilation for continued fire spread and growth

5) there were simultaneous fires on multiple floors

6) the fires on each floor occupied a substantial portion of the floor


7) the fires on each floor had passed the point of flashover and the structure was subjected to typical post-flashover temperatures

8) the sprinklers were inoperative or ineffective

9) the fires burned for sufficient time to cause significant distortion and/or failure to the building structure.


And

QUOTE
http://www.nist.gov/manuscript-publication...m?pub_id=861610

How hot did WTC 7's steel columns and floor beams get?

Due to the effectiveness of the spray-applied fire-resistive material (SFRM) or fireproofing, the highest steel column temperatures in WTC 7 only reached an estimated 300 degrees C (570 degrees F), and only on the east side of the building did the steel floor beams exceed 600 degrees C (1,100 degrees F). However, fire-induced buckling of floor beams and damage to connections-that caused buckling of a critical column initiating collapse-occurred at temperatures below approximately 400 degrees C where thermal expansion dominates. Above 600 degrees C (1,100 degrees F), there is significant loss of steel strength and stiffness. In the WTC 7 collapse, the loss of steel strength or stiffness was not as important as the thermal expansion of steel structures caused by heat.


And...

QUOTE
http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=909256

"The review of available documents and witness accounts indicated that the condition of the SFRM in WTC 7 prior to the events of September 11, 2001, was adequate and well-maintained. The photographs in Figure 2–27 through Figure 2–29 show the condition of the SFRM on Floors 5, 33, and 36 during renovations in 1989. Review of similar photos showed SFRM removal in selected areas for construction purposes, but the general condition of the SFRM in the photos reviewed was adequate, with an even application and no visible gaps."

Floor 5

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1509/imageezn.jpg

Floor 33

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5649/imagehrc.jpg

Floor 36

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6608/imageyve.jpg

Column 79

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4397/imagearev.jpg

Fireproof Ratings:

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3315/imagexoj.jpg


2.6
Review

SUMMARY OF FINDINGS
of the building codes, standards and information on the SFRM resulted in the following findings:

The average thickness of the MK-5 SFRM on the columns, based on data available from Testwell Craig Inspection Laboratories Inc., was greater than 7/8 in.

An MK-5 SFRM thickness of 7/8 in. is consistent with a 3 h rating for the columns, according to UL BXUV.X704, and a Type 1-B classification (unsprinklered) for the building.

Correspondence showed that the SFRM contractor, E. Patti & Sons, planned to apply 7/16 in. of MK-5 SFRM to the floor beams and 3/8 in. of MK-5 SFRM to the metal deck.

An MK-5 SFRM thickness of 1/2 in. on the floor beams and of 3/8 in. on the metal deck is consistent with a 2 h rating, according to UL BXUV.D739.
The average MK-5 SFRM thickness measurement on the floor beams and metal deck, based on data available from Testwell Craig Inspection Laboratories Inc., was greater than 1⁄2 in. for the beams and 3/8 in. for the metal deck.


The NIST survey of the 130 Liberty Street building, damaged by debris impact from the collapse of WTC 2, indicated that the cementitious SFRM was not knocked off by the falling debris, except in the immediate area of damage. For analysis purposes, NIST therefore assumed that the similar SFRM was in place in WTC 7 after the impact of debris from WTC 1, which was a conservative assumption



Jonathon Cole made some astute observations on the above:


QUOTE
http://911research.wtc7.net/letters/nist/W...ents_JCole.html

"Paragraph/Sentence: Section 3.4.5 Second to last paragraph.  “Figure 3-9 shows an example of the extent of structural damage from the fires, in this case for the 13th floor. At both 3.5 h and 4.0 h, connections, floor beams, and girders were damaged or had failed at steel temperatures that were approximately 400ş C or less, primarily due to the effects of thermal expansion.  After 4 h of heating, there was substantially more damage and failures in the WTC 7 structural system than at 3.5 h of heating.”  And in the next paragraph:  “However, it appeared likely the critical damage state occurred between 3.5 h and 4 h.”

(Cole) comment:  Exact input details of the NIST model were not provided for review. However, based on the above, it appears the modeling effort to reach failure mode of the connections required was at least a time of 3.5 hours at a temperature of approximately 400ş C., or to put it another way, any time less then 3.5 hours or 4 hours would not cause a failure.  

Reason for Comment:  Based on Figure 3.6, Page 30 (NCSTAR 1A) temperatures near the floor system of Column 79 did not sustain temperatures of 400ş C for a time in excess of 3.5 hours.  Rather, this indicated a time of perhaps 2 hours.  

In addition, according to Page 330 Section 8.4.1 (NCSTAR 1-9 Vol. 1): “Prediction and growth of building contents fires (Chapter 9) indicated that such fires did not persist at any one location for more then about 20 min to 30 min., which is consistent with observations of fires in the windows (Chapter 5).”

Finally, Floors 12 and 13 (the SEC floors) were determined to be the hottest, yet:  “Fire was first observed on the 12th floor, on the south side of the east face, at about 2:10 p.m.” (Page 381 NCSTAR 1-9 Vol 2), and didn’t even begin to heat up the areas near Column 79 until around 3:00 p.m.   
NCSTAR 1-9 Page 243 for the 8th floor: “As late as 3:22 p.m., there was no indication of fire in this area but about 17 min later a substantial fire spreading to the east was visible between windows 8-47C and 8-53C.”  
NCSTAR 1-9 Pages 244 and 245 state:  11th floor:  “A fire was first observed at 2:08 p.m. on the east face.”, and for the 12th floor, a similar time.  

For the 13th floor: “The first visual evidence for burning on the 13th floor was seen on the east face around 2:30 p.m.”; less then 3 hours before the collapse.


And even more importantly, the floor temperatures predicted (Figure 3-8 Page 31 NCSTA 1A) indicate temperatures colder then 200ş C as late as 4:00 p.m. in the area of Column 79, and not until about 5:00 p.m. (20 minutes before collapse) does only a small portion of the floor area theoretically approach temperatures of 400 C.  But the building collapsed at about 5:21 p.m. in the afternoon, about a half hour later, far less time than the critical 3.5 hour time used in the model.   

If the entire analysis of the initial failure event is dependent on temperatures approaching 400ş C that must exist over 3.5 hour period, and/or the fires did not last that long in the critical Column 79 area, then the entire foundation of the simulation appears flawed.  And if the input of the model is flawed, the output results and conclusions are also flawed.


Additional info on the NIST report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4dU_p9UTTs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFpbZ-aLDLY

Tech paper on fires and their duration:

http://www.cool-places.0catch.com/911/Gree...tsNCSTAR1-9.pdf

Part One--Shear Ignorance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGe0E9cjUbI
 
Part Two-- Expanding Lies:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvRKZO5o_dA
 
 Part Three-- Tangled Webs
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zsp0UcgMzs&feature=plcp


The WTC7 "eutectic mixture"

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/m...urgy/index.html

An experiment to see if eutectic steel as found in the WTC7 rubble (and ignored by NIST) can be caused by natural events:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvQDFV1HINw


The NIST predecisional WTC7 Report Parts 1 to 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ci1OOpq27o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aDZOuF9hmQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IAcuITqh6E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwXuagCxM-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjQyXLRpULU



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Conclusion D


"Diesel fires"


The unfounded, irrelevant claims by some that diesel fuel fires (that even NIST was forced to back off) had a part to play in the collapse of WTC7 has been covered ad nauseum:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21924

The timing and purpose of the ConEd lawsuit:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10804844

There are multiple images of the lower floors. Including ConEd. From the collapses of the towers through to the collapse of WTC7.



Without foundation. Irrelevant. Yet necessary to add to the WTC7 OCT on fires being remotely responsible for bringing down the building. A "theory" based on innuendo and in the face of irrefutable evidence against it.
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Edit added to timeframe 2pm - 3pm:


FDNY helicopter shots - possibly taken between 2pm and 3pm (closer to 2:30pm (?) cross referencing ground level images here.



Videostills from above:

Entire west face/WTC6 smoke/white smoke on south face

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5439/imagerjj.jpg

As above (lower west face obscured)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8679/imagekez.jpg

Cropped:



South (obscured) and west (lower face obscured)

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4931/imageopc.jpg

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West face/white smoke on south face/WTC6

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9578/imageqrcd.jpg

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As above:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9787/imageirt.jpg

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North face @3pm

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9001/imageftoy.jpg

From west/WTC6

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/2109/imagethb.jpg

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As above:

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/7177/imagepfs.jpg

As above:

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5899/imageklco.jpg

Upper south face from west/lower floors clear of smoke bar one column of grey smoke

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7108/imageidi.jpg

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As above:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/694/imageelgg.jpg

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post Jul 5 2012, 11:22 PM
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FDNY helicopter shots - possibly taken between 2pm and 3pm....


FDNY shots in above post confirmed to have been allegedly taken "between 2:15pm and 2:45pm".

Original footage corresponding to Pitts' image allegedly taken at this time forwarded to me by Kawika thumbsup.gif

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post Oct 31 2012, 12:28 PM
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Not sure if this is old news but...

FOIA released "Ground Zero and WTC7 Rubble Pile"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fryX_4yfAc
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Not sure if I posted these (although I know that the first image is new to me)








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