Alex Jones Is Corrupt, you be the judge... Options

[pookzta]

He once may have been true, but he is now about his ego and celebrity status. I respect him still, but I do not support him anymore, for he makes all of us truth-seekers look bad.

i just watched a video that shows his true self. he may once have been true, but now he is about ego and fame. see for yourself, as he shows up to a peaceful gun-rally in Texas, only to interrupt the speaker and start barking on his bull-horn with no regard to the peaceful protesters, the current speaker, or the fact that he was interrupting.

Alex Jones is corrupt (6 minutes):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw...player_embedded

[Atomicbomb]

He once may have been true, but he is now about his ego and celebrity status. I respect him still, but I do not support him anymore, for he makes all of us truth-seekers look bad.

i just watched a video that shows his true self. he may once have been true, but now he is about ego and fame. see for yourself, as he shows up to a peaceful gun-rally in Texas, only to interrupt the speaker and start barking on his bull-horn with no regard to the peaceful protesters, the current speaker, or the fact that he was interrupting.

Alex Jones is corrupt (6 minutes):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw...player_embedded

Alex Jones was the one who promoted this rally and championed Bediker on his radio show. Bediker was the man who had his gun show screwed up by the Austin Police and BATFE. If you notice the video was done by WAC (allies to Alex Jones) and the people speaking were glad to see Alex there not angry with him for using his bull horn. Later the group speaking moved to the other side and went right on ahead with their protest. Alex was bullhorning the snearing cops accross the street for the record. Alex has his share of issues for sure but this is not one of them. If this is your evidence Alex is corrupt I have to say you need better evidence my friend. I hope you have higher standards for 9/11 evidence.

[greenrayriver]

He once may have been true, but he is now about his ego and celebrity status. I respect him still, but I do not support him anymore, for he makes all of us truth-seekers look bad.

i just watched a video that shows his true self. he may once have been true, but now he is about ego and fame. see for yourself, as he shows up to a peaceful gun-rally in Texas, only to interrupt the speaker and start barking on his bull-horn with no regard to the peaceful protesters, the current speaker, or the fact that he was interrupting.

Alex Jones is corrupt (6 minutes):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw...player_embedded

Alex Jones should know better than to bull horn or talk over other speakers. It was hard to watch. IMO

[Omega892R09]

Oddly enough, a late friend of mine introduced me to the Alex Jones 9/11 efforts and that is how I arrived here. Although much of what he says about 9/11 holds an element of truth I have increasingly wondered about his use of that Bull Horn and considered that Jones could be an 'agent provocateur' (AP - in the original sense and not provocative lingerie).

Given his embracing of Monckton's phony science I am now more convinced that Alex Jones is an AP. If not then he needs to embrace the real science of climate as should many others around here and sever his connections with the likes of Monckton for the truth will hit him eventually.

[pookzta]

Oddly enough, a late friend of mine introduced me to the Alex Jones 9/11 efforts and that is how I arrived here. Although much of what he says about 9/11 holds an element of truth I have increasingly wondered about his use of that Bull Horn and considered that Jones could be an 'agent provocateur' (AP - in the original sense and not provocative lingerie).

Given his embracing of Monckton's phony science I am now more convinced that Alex Jones is an AP. If not then he needs to embrace the real science of climate as should many others around here and sever his connections with the likes of Monckton for the truth will hit him eventually.

Alex Jones is one of the first names that got me into this as well, along with Jordan Maxwell and other people, but that does not prevent me from admitting to the very strong possibility that AJ is now corrupt and all about money and his ego.

I always wondered why his websites were so unprofessional looking, and why he had ads crammed into every bit of free space possible. Ads are not a bad thing, but Prison Planet and InfoWars websites look like a giant billboard. Seeing videos like the one I just shared has finally allowed me to conclude that Alex Jones was once true, but is now more about his money and ego.

He showed up to this protest and demanded the spot light. He did not care that someone else was speaking when he showed up, he did not care that the fellow Americans at the protest looked up to him, he instantly began to insite chaos and commotion at the event, while disrespectfully disrupting the peaceful messages that were being stated by the ralliers.

This explains why Alex Jones is so anti-government, because he no longer is purely seeking truth. Yes he puts out good articles and good stories rather regularly, but mixed into those stories are anti-government propaganda, fear-inducing propaganda, to inspire us to hate our government and despise and distrust it, rather than seek to improve it. Alex Jones is no longer anti-corruption, he is now anti-Obama and anti-government. This is not constructive.

I am convinced that Alex Jones cares more about his fame and celebrity status at this point than actually helping his common fellow American. The video speaks for itself in my opinion, as he demonstrated that he has little or no respect or compassion for the very people that he once may have inspired.

I still respect him, but no longer support him, for money and power have changed his mind. Whether or not he has an agenda to misinform, scare, and confuse, I do not claim to know, but the content he puts out seems to suggest that he has such an agenda.

Decide for yourself, and thanks for sharing your opinion. I have loved Alex Jones for a very long time, and as I said I still respect him, but I no longer feel that he is true enough to deserve my support. He very well could be a misinfo / disinfo agent to help hide the truth in plain site, by screaming about it and being egocentric, so that all mainstream people take conspiracy theories less seriously. Alex Jones is making all of us truth-seekers look bad, and if you think about it, he is slowing progress by doing so.

Just my opinion.

This post has been edited by pookzta: Jan 30 2010, 09:57 PM

[Atomicbomb]

Oddly enough, a late friend of mine introduced me to the Alex Jones 9/11 efforts and that is how I arrived here. Although much of what he says about 9/11 holds an element of truth I have increasingly wondered about his use of that Bull Horn and considered that Jones could be an 'agent provocateur' (AP - in the original sense and not provocative lingerie).

Given his embracing of Monckton's phony science I am now more convinced that Alex Jones is an AP. If not then he needs to embrace the real science of climate as should many others around here and sever his connections with the likes of Monckton for the truth will hit him eventually.

Well I came here to discuss 9/11 issues so I am not going to dwell on the question of Alex Jones being an AP or not nor am I going to debate again the man made global warming fraud. If you are interested I have debated the global warming issue here to the tune of over 150 pages worth: http://randirhodes.freeforums.org/copenhagen-t3877.html I post there as PSYOP. The reason I say this is because your contention here is that Alex is an AP because of his stance on the global warming issue. After careful research and 150 pages of intense debate I concluded Alex and Monckton are correct about man made global warming being a fraud. I won't debate it again here but I honestly don't think Alex is an AP. There are tons of links in that thread which back up my point but if you want to skip to the best stuff go to about page 110 to about 145 or so. My main opponent in the debate is JIMMY who holds your view that man made global warming is real. You may want to just skip all the other comments other then JIMMY and PSYOP (me) because they are mostly just personal attacks and meaningless tripe. The real debate is between JIMMY and myself.

[pookzta]

Well I came here to discuss 9/11 issues so I am not going to dwell on the question of Alex Jones being an AP or not nor am I going to debate again the man made global warming fraud. If you are interested I have debated the global warming issue here to the tune of over 150 pages worth: http://randirhodes.freeforums.org/copenhagen-t3877.html I post there as PSYOP. The reason I say this is because your contention here is that Alex is an AP because of his stance on the global warming issue. After careful research and 150 pages of intense debate I concluded Alex and Monckton are correct about man made global warming being a fraud. I won't debate it again here but I honestly don't think Alex is an AP. There are tons of links in that thread which back up my point but if you want to skip to the best stuff go to about page 110 to about 145 or so. My main opponent in the debate is JIMMY who holds your view that man made global warming is real. You may want to just skip all the other comments other then JIMMY and PSYOP (me) because they are mostly just personal attacks and meaningless tripe. The real debate is between JIMMY and myself.

regardless of whether he is a disinfo agent or not, the fact that he is making all of us truth-seekers look bad speaks for itself. even if he is a real truth-seeker but just has a huge ego, that is still not something to be proud of, because it makes us all look bad.

the way he shows up to that rally barking on his bullhorn, talking over the speaker, being disrespectful to the peaceful rally, and insighting commotion and chaos in what was a peaceful, organized rally, shows that he is being counter-productive.

the way he speaks so anti-government and anti-Obama is just wrong in my opinion, because a lot of people then assume that all truth-seekers are anti-government and anti-Obama. I am neither of those things, for I am simply anti-corruption. Anti-corruption, anti-corrupt presidents, anti-corrupt politicians, anti-corrupt everything. Alex Jones makes us all look like paranoid looneys... he should be leading a movement to expose 9/11, not branching off onto crazy new claims such as trying to convince the world that the Haiti earthquake was done by HAARP. he does not stick to the core issues, the most important issues, instead, he gives the public a face to associate crazy, looney, unscientific conspiracy theorists with.

I am not like Alex Jones, but many people think I am because he is such a prominent figure. Not good.

Regardless, he is the one that helped me to wake up to this whole realm of truth, so I do still respect him for what he has done, but because he now seems corrupt, i no longer support him. So in conclusion, I respect him, but no longer support him.

That's my 2 cents anyway

This post has been edited by pookzta: Feb 1 2010, 01:51 AM

[GroundPounder]

i've read his stuff for years, but there are subjects he won't touch. he makes statements like the the arabs own hollywood etc. his sites are loaded w/ ads so now i avoid them. he's more like a gray character nowadays...what shade of gray is tbd.

[bobcat46]

Atomicbomb:

Welcome to P4T! we communicate with each other over on RRMB. Nice to make the connection. I first started doubting the Official Story on 9/12/2001 when the White House released the information about the pilot's flying experience and competency levels. The more I studied the evidence and facts, the more I doubted.

Sea ya on the Internet,

Bobcat

This post has been edited by bobcat46: Feb 1 2010, 10:31 AM

[Atomicbomb]

Atomicbomb:

Welcome to P4T! we communicate with each other over on RRMB. Nice to make the connection. I first started doubting the Official Story on 9/12/2001 when the White House released the information about the pilot's flying experience and competency levels. The more I studied the evidence and facts, the more I doubted.

Sea ya on the Internet,

Bobcat

Yes Bobcat it's good to see you over here. I started doubting the official story in early 2002 when I saw the squibbs going off in the towers. I said to myself "hey that doesn't look right". Later on the Pentagon evidence or lack of evidence I should say got me going down the rabbit hole even further. Life has not been the same ever since. I have lost a lot of friends because of my 9/11 activism but I would not go back and change anything because the new friends I made are the best people in the world. Once you know the truth you cannot ever go back but then why would anyone want to live in a lie anyway? See you soon Bobcat.

[bobcat46]

Yes Bobcat it's good to see you over here. I started doubting the official story in early 2002 when I saw the squibbs going off in the towers. I said to myself "hey that doesn't look right". Later on the Pentagon evidence or lack of evidence I should say got me going down the rabbit hole even further. Life has not been the same ever since. I have lost a lot of friends because of my 9/11 activism but I would not go back and change anything because the new friends I made are the best people in the world. Once you know the truth you cannot ever go back but then why would anyone want to live in a lie anyway? See you soon Bobcat.

I have also lost friends due to my 9/11 activism and beliefs; however, I have made new friends because of it. I have other friends that just think I am on a weird trip or something. I know that from the other site we don't agree on global warming, but that topic is, to me, not important compared to 9/11 and the implications of not getting to the truth about 9/11. I believe that if the truth is not investigated and exposed about 9/11, our country will continue to slide down a slippery slope that will end in the destruction of America and our government as we have known it to be for over 200 years, long before we will suffer the effects of global warming. Eisenhouer was right in his last SOTU speech. Americans did not heed his warning and now Americans are slaves to the mega-corporations, military-industrial complex, and banks. Terrorists pulled of 9/11 and the anthrax attacks, but they were not from a cave. They were from within our country, a False Flag Attack, and it worked. They got what they wanted.......the Patriot Act, a war in Afghanistan, and a war in Iraq. That is why 9/11 happened.

I, too, will not back down. I, too will not shut up. I will continue till I either die or live to see a real investigation of the crimes of 9/11.

[Atomicbomb]

I have also lost friends due to my 9/11 activism and beliefs; however, I have made new friends because of it. I have other friends that just think I am on a weird trip or something. I know that from the other site we don't agree on global warming, but that topic is, to me, not important compared to 9/11 and the implications of not getting to the truth about 9/11. I believe that if the truth is not investigated and exposed about 9/11, our country will continue to slide down a slippery slope that will end in the destruction of America and our government as we have known it to be for over 200 years, long before we will suffer the effects of global warming. Eisenhouer was right in his last SOTU speech. Americans did not heed his warning and now Americans are slaves to the mega-corporations, military-industrial complex, and banks. Terrorists pulled of 9/11 and the anthrax attacks, but they were not from a cave. They were from within our country, a False Flag Attack, and it worked. They got what they wanted.......the Patriot Act, a war in Afghanistan, and a war in Iraq. That is why 9/11 happened.

I, too, will not back down. I, too will not shut up. I will continue till I either die or live to see a real investigation of the crimes of 9/11.

Well said Bobcat46 and I agree with you that 9/11 is far more important for a lot of reasons then the man made global warming scam. My honest advice to you about global warming is to not worry about it. It will do far more good to expose the truth about 9/11.

[bobcat46]

Well said Bobcat46 and I agree with you that 9/11 is far more important for a lot of reasons then the man made global warming scam. My honest advice to you about global warming is to not worry about it. It will do far more good to expose the truth about 9/11.

Atomicbomb: Do you happen to know what is going on at the RRMB? There was no forum listing on the web site today....is it just my browser or is there a problem?

[Atomicbomb]

Atomicbomb: Do you happen to know what is going on at the RRMB? There was no forum listing on the web site today....is it just my browser or is there a problem?

No the link is gone however you can still find the forum if you do a search for a topic title or something like that. I looked up one of the threads on google and found it that way. The RRMB has always been unstable though, it has been taken down 3 times in the last few years.

[pookzta]

i am right there with you guys.... i have lost so many friends due to my beliefs in 9/11, but my mind, body, and spirit will not let me deny the overwhelming evidence that shows we have obviously been lied to.

living an honest, true life is more important to me than pleasing my 'friends' who don't even care to understand how or why I believe what I do.

slowly but surely, they are waking up. it takes time, lots of posts, lots of information sharing, lots of patience, lots of self-defense, but surely enough they are starting to discuss it with me and ask questions rather than throw blind darts of hatred and criticism.

Times are changing, and I am so proud to be part of all of this with you! Long live TRUTH, JUSTICE, PEACE, and LOVE.

-Abe

[painter]

Let me welcome all on this thread I've not welcomed previously to this forum. I'm not around much any more but I've been down 'the rabbit hold' for a very long time. I was in the process of writing a more lengthy introduction when I had a browser crash and lost it. Suffice it to say there is much more going on in the US than meets the eye. I agree that 9/11 is the most important issue precisely because all other issues facing us one way and another are tied into it. Unlike most on this forum, I've come to all this through the idealism of the 1960s and 70s and have much to say about what happened during that era and to that idealism.

I've never trusted Alex Jones. That statement has to be put in context, however. I certainly 'trust' him more than I do corporate media. By that I mean to say that he is at least pointing in the right direction most of the time however much his character distorts the information we need most. That is to say, it isn't enough to simply point out that there are very powerful forces that lie beneath the superficial political awareness brought by corporate media. Yes, these dark forces are real and they have an agenda and are very powerful indeed. And, yes, people need to wake up to this and see them for the genuine threat they are.

But beyond that what is needed most is not merely 'awareness', especially not merely awareness that leads to fear and paranoia. What is needed is, first, a new political paradigm that moves us beyond the false right/left dichotomy in which most of us have been conditioned to think and which is still being played out in the corporate owned media. And, second, with the first in mind, clear strategies for significant economic, political and social change. In other words, it isn't enough to scare the be-jeebitz out of people with horror stories of impending doom. However factual to a certain extent this horror is, if our awareness does not lead us to methodologies and strategies for change -- especially for overcoming the false right/left boondoggle -- and uniting around a core of ideals and principals that can guide us toward a more just and humane nation and world, then we are indeed lost.

The fundamental issue is that of financial reform. If 'we the people' do not have control of how wealth and power are generated, we have no control over our own governance. It truly is that simple. However, the American people and the people of the world have been asleep to this simple fact for a very long time and are being kept asleep to it by those who want to retain all wealth and power to themselves and their class. This, bottom line, is the struggle we are in.

I have many mottos. One of them is: The best way to thwart a revolution is to lead it. Those who are old timers here have seen me say this many times. This motto grows out of having identified with the idealists of my generation, having come of age in the 1960s and 70s, having championed civil rights, social justice and opposed wars of empire such as Vietnam. I have watched as over the years the cultural and political movements and 'heroes' of my generation were marginalized and, when need be, outright assassinated. It is a dirty business and it is ages old.

Ultimately we have to decide who we are as individuals, as a nation/culture/society, what our values really are. And we need to be able to look at this unflinchingly, recognizing our own hypocrisy, gullibility and denial when it shows up, and refusing to allow ourselves to be sidetracked by anyone who doesn't work to unite us and empower us. The dark forces I speak of do not want us to know precisely how powerful we are, much less how powerful we could yet become. I've written many times on this forum that the future will not be like the past. The old Republic is dead and lives on now only as media driven zombie, a spectacle of entertainment for the masses. The truth of 9/11 explodes that perception because it shows us that whatever the truth may be it is hidden from us by government and media alike. It shows us that deception is not the exception but the rule. It is how we are ruled.

Coming into the light, awakening to the the full horror of our situation and then moving beyond fear and paranoia to unity and empowerment is a difficult and life-long struggle. It must encompass every aspect of our being -- economic, political, social and individual. It requires a new and growing awareness of the world around us and, equally, a new and growing awareness of ourselves and all that we are and can yet become. As much as we need sources of information which tell us if not the whole truth at least more of the truth than is generally known, so, too, we need real hope, real organization and strategies. Moreover, it isn't enough to look to others to lead us. This has been the great weakness of the past. We look to others to inform us, champion for us, call to us with fine words and organize us into a force. But creating such hierarchical structures ultimately leave us vulnerable. There are great forces in nature which have no 'center' at all. We need to recognize these forces and look for them in ourselves. We also need to understand the depths of our conditioning, how it is we've come to give up our power all along the way so that we may reclaim our right to resist those forces that want to keep us asleep, powerless and believing in what amounts to an hallucinatory dream.

A completely new world awaits us and the journey begins when something within ourselves is awakened and when we, in our vigilance, refuse to allow it to fall asleep again. No "Moses" can do more than point the way. It is what is in our hearts that matters.

[Atomicbomb]

Painter,

Wise words from a wise person. Ultimately we have to change ourselves to change the world but once we do a whole new paradise will open up to us. We have to BE THE CHANGE we want to see in the world. If we want to stop corporate greed then we have to stop buying the products they sell and deny the corporation it's life blood, money. If we want to stop war we have to put down our weapons and refuse to fight, simply recognize all people as brothers and sisters and refuse to do them harm. If we want to stop tyranny we have to refuse our cooperation with it, that's all simply refuse to be ruled. If we want a better world all we have to do is change ourselves, stop participating in the wars, in the greed, in the oppression, and it is ours for the taking. No government or power on earth has control over us unless we willingly surrender it to them. Giving away our liberty and our humanity is our fault, each one of us, and it is up to us to take it back. When we do CHANGE we will have peace, prosperity, and love for everyone in the world, and we will have our paradise.

Gandhi said it best:

Two hundred thousand British simply cannot control six hundred million Indians if those Indians refuse to cooperate.

Gandhi changed the world, so can we.

[pookzta]

Wise words from both of you, Painter and Atomic.

and kudos to Painter for accurately describing precisely why Alex Jones is a fraud, because he is 'thwarting our revolution by trying to lead it', yet he does nothing but promote fearful awareness, not solution-oriented or goal-oriented awareness.

Why the hell doesn't AJ have a political action committee service going yet, that sends people quick and easy forms to complete in order to contact their congressmen on important issues? because he just wants to be the news guy that gets all the website hits, all the tv spots, all the fame, all the heroine, etc.

Thanks for your great comments Painter and Atomic. I especially liked the Ghandi quote as well.

I must finish with one myself, so that we employ Justice in a healthy and true way.

Ghandi: 'If it were an eye for an eye, then we all would be blind.'

so we must learn from this mistake, not let it happen again, and not punish those so severely that we become just as dark and sinister as those people were. we need to make an example of them, in a mature and peaceful way. Life in Prison works in my opinion (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) They deserve worse, but at least this way we can laugh at them for years and years once all this is said and done. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[pookzta]

Alex Jones may have been true at some point in the past, but he is now about his ego and celebrity status. I respect him still, but I do not support him anymore, for he makes all of us rational, peaceful truth-seekers look bad.

i just watched a video that shows his true self. he may once have been true, but now he is about ego and fame. Watch this video and decide for yourself, as he shows up to a peaceful gun-rally in Texas, only to interrupt the speaker and start barking on his bull-horn with no regard to the peaceful protesters, the current speaker, or the fact that he was interrupting.


Alex Jones is Corrupt (6 minutes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw


Ever wondered why Alex Jones puts out lots of factual information, but for some reason mixes in pseudo-facts and factions (fact+fiction) in his news? Ever wondered why this man who is so "in tune" with how the corruption works, somehow claims that Climate Change is a big scam and that global warming is not real? How can he be so dumb, yet so 'smart' at the same time?

Ever wondered why Alex Jones just shouts fear-producing, anti-government propaganda at the top of his lungs, sometimes even with a bullhorn, yet he NEVER has created a political action committee mailing list to help people contact their congressmen and women about important issues?

Ever wondered why Alex Jones does not ever shout about solutions or possible ways to reduce corruption, yet he constantly is shouting about how much corruption there is and how bad the future is going to be?

Ever wondered why Alex Jones's website is JAM PACKED full of ads meant to generate profits off of the very fear he creates?

Ever wondered why Alex Jones rarely ever brings up 9/11 (and when he does, it is just a brief mentioning of the topic), yet he LOVES talking about Swine Flu, ClimateGate, Obama Is A Socialist, and all the other dumb ass shit he mixes in there with his 'news'?

Well now you know.

(IMG:http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/alex-jones-as-joker.jpg)

[aerohead]

Nice try pookie, but FAIL. Alex is an in-your-face truth warrior that sometimes over does it. Not corrupt, just enthusiastically zealous. Watch this......... making power mongers into jelly (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif) [laughing]Alex Rocks !!!

This post has been edited by aerohead: Feb 6 2010, 09:24 AM