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Posted by: directearnings Sep 15 2007, 03:14 PM

any ideas why? seems like the same reason AJ wont mention the jesuit order also? hmmmmmmmmm



Title edited by Zap to accentuate main topic. Hope that is OK with you, Directearnings.

Posted by: amazed! Sep 15 2007, 03:19 PM

What do you think the Jesuits had to do with the events of 11 September?

Posted by: directearnings Sep 15 2007, 03:29 PM

the Jesuits are at the top of eveything...they control everything

Posted by: waterdancer Sep 15 2007, 09:42 PM

Well, it's your library too. Submit some quality links for consideration to be added in. By quality, in general I mean no ranting screeds and statements backed up with references and documentation. The library isn't comprehensive. This is due to the fact that the librarians are a few volunteers and don't have infinite time or wisdom on al subjects. So, if you think you have some good quality links on the topic, lay them out here (or through PM) and we can take a look.
Though in truth, the library has been in somewhat coast mode for quite awhile after the initial flurry of information was added.

Posted by: amazed! Sep 15 2007, 10:05 PM

The Jesuits? Hell, I thought it was the Freemasons?

Posted by: Sanders Sep 15 2007, 10:27 PM

I am so not interested / so not persuaded that there is anything concrete out there about this that I almost left out the whole subject of the illuminati altogether. Instead I changed the title of that topic to 'Secret Societies'.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=339&view=findpost&p=4988959

Find me a good link that explains the ruling elite's relationship with the Jesuits and I'll stick it in the Library.

Posted by: painter Sep 15 2007, 10:30 PM

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Posted by: Zapzarap Sep 16 2007, 03:45 AM

QUOTE (painter @ Sep 16 2007, 04:30 AM)
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I've thought so ab initio, painter. You joined them back in the 60's, right? tongue.gif

Posted by: jadenter Sep 16 2007, 04:58 AM

Directearning is absolutely correct! I have looked for this information in the Alternative Theories Forum... and there are no references to the largest controller in the NWO game... the Vatican.

Eric Jon Phelps' book, "Vatican Assassins III - Wounded In The House of My Friends" is only 1,836 pages with 760 photos of research material on the role of the Black Pope, Count Hans Kolvenbach—The Jesuit’s General, and his underlings the Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, and the Roman Catholic Cardinal Egan in NYC... St. Peters Cathedral is called the "little Vatican".

A 2000 interview with Eric Phelps (obviously before 9/11) can be read here:

http://www.meguiar.addr.com/black_pope.htm

And Eric Phelps web site also describes his research at this URL with instructions for purchasing his book online:

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/

Jeff

Posted by: Zapzarap Sep 16 2007, 05:27 AM

OH GAWD!!!

Seems as if there ARE some, who are serious about that subject. blink.gif

moving to 'Religion' /Zap

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 16 2007, 09:04 AM

You know, all these "Orders": Masons, Jesuits, Al Quaida, Neo Cons, Miltary Industrial Complex, Bilderberg, Skull and Bones etc. etc. etc. are just lower ranked groups following command from the real rule from above, as I understand it. The focus put on any one of these groups as being THE controlling force, is limited hang out disinfo, IMO. Focus is purposefully placed on any one of these groups by skillful disinfo in order to disguise the real Control. As I see it: the infamous Northwoods Document (so masterfully marketed by James Bamford) for instance, is most probably a disinfo hoax designed to put the focus for 911 on the Military Industrial Complex. The material out there suggesting Jesuits are the Ruling elite is similar disinfo.

I believe that the "entity" exercising the real, ultimate and overall control is hidden.

Having said that the Jesuits are obviously influential. It is essential though to understand that the founder of the Jesuits was Ignatius of Loyola, who belonged to the Alumbrados. The Alumbrados was/is an "illumined" secret society comprised of Spanish Jews. They can be considered as perhaps one of the earliest known society of the Illuminati. They trace back to as early as the 15th century. An even earlier Illumined society though is the Essenes, who's real substance and character as a society has been cleverly disguised by "Historians".

Posted by: amazed! Sep 16 2007, 10:12 AM

FFG

I know what you're saying, and tend to agree in general terms, but...

Secret societies are one thing, but the MIC, at least as far as Ike used the term, is quite another thing. Of course members of various societies--Skull & Bones, Trilateral, CFC etc--can certainly be also players in the MIC.

In the movie "Why We Fight", Ike's son and grand daughter both relate how Ike was able to chuckle that even he, a retired 5 star and current president, could not stand up to the MIC.

As for the Jesuits, I attended 4 years at a Jesuit college, and the suggestion that somehow they had something to do with 9/11 is completely laughable.

Possible, of course, but quite funny.

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 16 2007, 11:28 AM

QUOTE (amazed! @ Sep 16 2007, 09:12 AM)
FFG

I know what you're saying, and tend to agree in general terms, but...

Secret societies are one thing, but the MIC, at least as far as Ike used the term, is quite another thing. Of course members of various societies--Skull & Bones, Trilateral, CFC etc--can certainly be also players in the MIC.

In the movie "Why We Fight", Ike's son and grand daughter both relate how Ike was able to chuckle that even he, a retired 5 star and current president, could not stand up to the MIC.

As for the Jesuits, I attended 4 years at a Jesuit college, and the suggestion that somehow they had something to do with 9/11 is completely laughable.

Possible, of course, but quite funny.

I'm saying that the idea of the MIC is promoted as a "scapegoat", limited hang out, i.e. as in the Hoax Northwoods Document and Oliver Stone's JFK etc. Ike's famous speech about them is more than likely a part of that "promotion" also, IMO. The Perpeteers ARE that crafty.

The MIC is a meaningless term, kind of like Al-Qaeda. Like you say, it comprises members of other Front Operation groups.


Do you disagree? Are you of the opinion that it is the MIC that are the real Puppet Masters?

Posted by: André Sep 16 2007, 11:45 AM

The MIC is a bit vague, we should be talking about the owners instead, it's impossible to point to a single source as being ultimately the one responsible for this power grab, but you could indicate several groups who have common interests and share responsibility.

Posted by: jadenter Sep 16 2007, 12:23 PM

Religion??? Why is this thread moved to the religion forum?

This thread belongs in the Alternative Theories Forum, if not Latest News.

Jeff


PM'd you
Zap

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 16 2007, 12:29 PM

QUOTE (André @ Sep 16 2007, 10:45 AM)
it's impossible to point to a single source as being ultimately the one responsible for this power grab

You do understand, however, that there is a single source, i.e. the "One", who is at the very top of the pyramid?



It might be impossible to ascertain who this is, but then on the other hand it might not be. wink.gif

Posted by: Anders Sep 16 2007, 01:08 PM

Well, if yoù`re looking for christian secret societies, the knights templar in their past and present forms fits in with a lot of roles, dating back almost 900 years, just to mention some they`ve been into international banking, freemasons, war on muslims, private army and being present in practically the whole western world both in the dark ages and now.

http://www.templarhistory.com/
http://www.illuminati-news.com/international-banking.htm
http://www.knightstemplar.org/
http://www.templars.org.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar

No idea if these guys can be linked with the nwo/illuminati/bankers stuff that is suggested to be the real powers that be behind it all, looking into the knights templars and the ordo templi orientis ain`t exactly done in a jiffy (they have 900 years of cover-up experience tongue.gif )
I only woke up about a month ago to the fact that 9/11 really looks to be an inside job. Thanks to Ministry`s lieslieslies for the wakeup call, and to h*ll with the mainstream media for keeping me in ignorance for 6 years.

Posted by: jadenter Sep 16 2007, 01:09 PM

QUOTE (Factfinder General @ Sep 16 2007, 01:04 PM)
It is essential though to understand that the founder of the Jesuits was Ignatius of Loyola, who belonged to the Alumbrados.  The Alumbrados was/is an "illumined" secret society comprised of Spanish Jews.  They can be considered as perhaps one of the earliest known society of the Illuminati.  They trace back to as early as the 15th century.


True, Ignatius of Loyola did found the modern Jesuit Secret Military Order, and he was a wounded and hardened military leader from the wars in Spain. Ignatius of Loyola was the first designated "Black Pope" designated by the Vatican in 1540. The fictional character in Alexander Dumas novel, "The Count of Monte Christo", was an allegory about the revenge of the Jesuit General for the Jesuits being banished to an island off of Portugal by the rulers of Europe, because of their perfidy, treachery, and assassinations.

I have held this man in great esteem based upon his prayers and spiritual principles he has written. But as a vengeful military leader of a military secret order, The Jesuits, whom have been physically kicked out of every country in Europe for their deception and assassination of leaders, he deserves none of my priaise or adoration today.

I attended a Jesuit spritual retreat for 25 years and held this group in very high esteem. Today after hours of research to figure out who was behind 9/11, the source if you will, and the puppet master in the geopolitical economic globalized world order, there is only one logical source for the pinnacle of the pyramid, the capstone is the Vatican and their JESUIT GENERAL, the Black Pope.

There is no other source that offers a one world religion and a secular global leader whose goal is to rule the world from Jerusalem (Vatican ownership of rights to the Temple Mount and other portions of Jerusalem were acknowledged in the Oslo accords).

The Vatican's control and secrecy is who John F. Kennedy warned the world about before his assassination.

Jeff

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 16 2007, 01:22 PM

QUOTE (jadenter @ Sep 16 2007, 12:09 PM)
Today after hours of research to figure out who was behind 9/11, the source if you will, and the puppet master in the geopolitical economic globalized world order, there is only one logical source for the pinnacle of the pyramid, the capstone is the Vatican and their JESUIT GENERAL, the Black Pope. 

There is no other source that offers a one world religion and a secular global leader whose goal is to rule the world from Jerusalem (Vatican ownership of rights to the Temple Mount and other portions of Jerusalem were acknowledged in the Oslo accords).

The Vatican's control and secrecy is who John F. Kennedy warned the world about before his assassination.

Jeff

You raise interesting and persuasive points, jadenter, but I still say the Vatican Mob are a Front Op: a significant one albeit. Doesn't the origin of the Jesuits themselves, i.e. their "Illumined" roots, hint to you of an infiltration of the Vatican by a higher and more skillful power?

Posted by: André Sep 16 2007, 01:47 PM

QUOTE (Factfinder General @ Sep 16 2007, 04:29 PM)
QUOTE (André @ Sep 16 2007, 10:45 AM)
it's impossible to point to a single source as being ultimately the one responsible for this power grab

You do understand, however, that there is a single source, i.e. the "One", who is at the very top of the pyramid?



It might be impossible to ascertain who this is, but then on the other hand it might not be. wink.gif








Obviously you have somebody in mind, why not come out with it....? :ph43r:





Whoever they may be I believe it is more important to understand where their power comes from and how we may start to dismantle it, the MIC and central Banks are a big part of that power structure.

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 16 2007, 02:01 PM

QUOTE (André @ Sep 16 2007, 12:47 PM)
???

André, your pic didn't stick, I'm afraid. What was it of, or can you do a compatible-repost?

Posted by: André Sep 16 2007, 02:11 PM

QUOTE (Factfinder General @ Sep 16 2007, 06:01 PM)
QUOTE (André @ Sep 16 2007, 12:47 PM)
???

André, your pic didn't stick, I'm afraid. What was it of, or can you do a compatible-repost?

just a stupid joke, it does not matter...

Try this link
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/63500/63951aFhe_w.jpg




Anyway who would you put at the top of the pyramid...just curious...

Posted by: Wingmaster05 Sep 16 2007, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (Factfinder General @ Sep 16 2007, 08:04 AM)
You know, all these "Orders": Masons, Jesuits, Al Quaida, Neo Cons, Miltary Industrial Complex, Bilderberg, Skull and Bones etc. etc. etc. are just lower ranked groups following command from the real rule from above, as I understand it. The focus put on any one of these groups as being THE controlling force, is limited hang out disinfo, IMO. Focus is purposefully placed on any one of these groups by skillful disinfo in order to disguise the real Control. As I see it: the infamous Northwoods Document (so masterfully marketed by James Bamford) for instance, is most probably a disinfo hoax designed to put the focus for 911 on the Military Industrial Complex. The material out there suggesting Jesuits are the Ruling elite is similar disinfo.

I believe that the "entity" exercising the real, ultimate and overall control is hidden.

Having said that the Jesuits are obviously influential. It is essential though to understand that the founder of the Jesuits was Ignatius of Loyola, who belonged to the Alumbrados. The Alumbrados was/is an "illumined" secret society comprised of Spanish Jews. They can be considered as perhaps one of the earliest known society of the Illuminati. They trace back to as early as the 15th century. An even earlier Illumined society though is the Essenes, who's real substance and character as a society has been cleverly disguised by "Historians".

The M-I complex, the jesuits, the rosicrucians, <insert power group here> are only indicative of disinfo if you accept that THEY are the only ones with the power to exert influence and disregard the plethora of information suggesting it was a multi faced group, well diversified and willing to collaborate through seemingly unrelated societies to achieve one goal; a global dictatorship and a slave race.

To this point I think every agrees (yes?). The reasons why they want this global enslavement is a whole 'nother matter entirely.

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 16 2007, 03:03 PM

QUOTE (André @ Sep 16 2007, 01:11 PM)
Anyway who would you put at the top of the pyramid...just curious...

I will make no comment on that matter at this point in time.

BTW: the link came up blank too. I guess we are both destined to leave each other curious. thumbsup.gif

Posted by: Carl Bank Sep 16 2007, 03:17 PM

QUOTE (amazed! @ Sep 16 2007, 04:05 AM)
The Jesuits?  Hell, I thought it was the Freemasons?

And I always thought it was the women.

expert: Carl

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 16 2007, 06:00 PM

QUOTE (Wingmaster05 @ Sep 16 2007, 01:59 PM)
The M-I complex, the jesuits, the rosicrucians, <insert power group here> are only indicative of  disinfo if you accept that THEY are the only ones with the power to exert influence and disregard the plethora of information suggesting it was a multi faced group, well diversified and willing to collaborate through seemingly unrelated societies to achieve one goal; a global dictatorship and a slave race. 

To this point I think every agrees (yes?).  The reasons why they want this global enslavement is a whole 'nother matter entirely.

This is not such a mystery to me, to my way of thinking. People are born with different desires: these desires are instinctual.



The two basic desires, or instincts, that are the foundation of each person's philosophy are those for either autonomy or control. Some people desire autonomy, some people desire control. Of course there are shades of grey between these two polarities.

Those that truly desire autonomy desire more and more of it. Those that truly desire control hunger and thirst for absolute control. It is a matter of a simple and instinctive desire. A few distinct individuals are born having a strong desire for one state or the other, autonomy or control, and are thus born into significant positions within one team or the other, what we call the Teams of Good Guys and Bad Guys. The many that are born on the fence are up for grabs.

The natural extension of an extreme desire for control is inevitably a thirst for global control. As such, I see this phenomena as stemming from an untamed and innate drive. The challenge and fulfillment of this desire is, I am certain, intoxicating to those so wired to appreciate it. I can imagine the glee, yes glee, of the perps on 9/11.



Cannot you? Such feelings, perverse as they must seem to us, might be the equivalent, in opposite fashion of course, to the thrill that those of us who are "born to be wild" feel when we are at our most "unbound": maybe flying high in the sky in one of those incredible flying machines wink.gif or running barefoot along some secluded sea shore, with the sun beginning to rise way off over the water's edge.



That, in any case, is pretty much the way I see it.



It is Yin and Yang, it is polarities, it is everywhere, it is the experience of conscious existence, it is by design. Maybe it is the "job" of those born with an instinct for control to dominate; conversely it is the "job" of those of us born with an instinct for autonomy to liberate. I believe that in a way we are all like children in the vast playground of life and the game we play is one of cosmic tag. There are those that are "it" and those that seek to escape from "it".

It is, I venture to say, the eternal game. Such perspectives help me, at least, to rise up to the challenge ahead with a hopeful joy in my heart rather than a crippling sensation of doom. Life after all can be a glorious adventure.

The game is not over until the playground bell sounds.



(My goodness, did I really let spill all that? blink.gif It really is just as well Zap moved this thread to Religion. wink.gif)

Posted by: Zapzarap Sep 16 2007, 07:20 PM

QUOTE (Factfinder General @ Sep 17 2007, 12:00 AM)
(My goodness, did I really let spill all that? blink.gif It really is just as well Zap moved this thread to Religion. wink.gif)

Don't worry, FFG!
You have become an asset to this forum smile.gif

Posted by: amazed! Sep 16 2007, 10:33 PM

I agree Zap.

I wonder if it is absolutely necessary and/or certain that there must be just one Supreme Commander, as it were? I'm not so certain.

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 16 2007, 11:57 PM

QUOTE (amazed! @ Sep 16 2007, 09:33 PM)
I agree Zap.

I wonder if it is absolutely necessary and/or certain that there must be just one Supreme Commander, as it were? I'm not so certain.

Thank you Zap and amazed! for your kind and welcoming words. It is truly an honor to be amongst the thoughtful and noble folk of Pilots for 9/11 Truth. [tiphat]

To my way of reckoning: when you understand how well coordinated are the complex large scale operations, how concerted and persistent is the effort behind the quest for global domination, then the understanding that there is a centralized control with effective and efficient leadership necessarily follows. Such effective and efficient leadership naturally coalesces underneath the authority of a Supreme Commander.

Is that not the natural order of things?

Posted by: Zapzarap Sep 17 2007, 02:59 AM

Such concerted and persistent effort certainly needs central control and leadership.

But I don't think, this can only be achieved by ONE supreme commander.

It is sufficient to have a strong idea, faith or deep conviction (i.e. to be part of a leading elite or of a chosen (group of) people together with a core of very powerful individuals holding key positions in the world -

- e voilà:

The Board of Directors of "WORLD EMPIRE INC"

OK - they might elect or appoint a sort of chairman, if you like.

Posted by: Zapzarap Sep 17 2007, 03:28 AM

Coming back to the Jesuits I'd like to post the following conversation with Jadenter by PM (with his approval), following his reqest to move this topic:

Jadenter
Zapzarap


<s> I simply disagree that this is an unrelated issue that should be placed in a difficult to find obscure category like "Religion". This issue has very little to do with religion or faith, its all about treachery, deceit, murder, assassinations, wars, and ultimately control of the leadership of the United States and the world.


If no other decision is made by the admins about a new sub-forum, I'll move this topic to Alt.Theories.
I don't remember many details about the history of secret societies like the Templers etc. because I read about them a long time ago and today prefer to deal with the 'Powers to be' by simply asking the question:
'Cui bono'.

Two years ago as I awoke to 9/11 truth, the connection between neoconservative US leaders and Zionist Likudniks was being discussed openly. The question of Vatican vs. Zionism has been debated as the ultimate source for 9/11 and EVERYTHING that followed. I submit to you and the admins, that this is THE QUESTION.

That is exactly the question and I am eager to learn, in which way the Vatican has got anything to do with the Zionist 'elements' in every single powerful group, beginning with the US think-tanks, lobbies, banks, the Pentagon and the US-Gouvernment...


If the goal is to focus and shine the sunlight of truth on the criminals, in order to prevent the next 9/11, secure justice, and another war, then the ultimate controller calling the shots and manipulating the world's leaders needs to be named and researched
This issue is more important than controlled demolition vs. no-planes/space beam weapons. In my humble opinion. Webster Tarpley keeps screaming that drills, exercises, and 9/11 truth are the key to stopping the madness. I say the truth about the puppet masters is where the focus of our research or goals should be placed.


100% agreed.


One way to find out the truth about who are the puppet masters is to answer above question: 'Cui bono?'
Who benefits from the global strategies, wars, genocides, false flag terrorism etc. of "World Empire INC."

The Vatican.

NOT!


Zap,

Thanks for considering moving this topic to a more prominent place in the Forums. I think the truth about the Vaticans goals and objectives should be front and center of all truth seekers, hoping to change the outcome of where the world leaders seem to be taking all of us on planet earth.

"Cui Bono" is precisely the question we should be asking. However, please keep in mind the the benefits gained have to be viewed from the perspective of the suspected criminals. So ask yourself, how is it possible that the Vatican, Black Pope, Jesuits, Knights of Malta (it's not the Templars), etc. benefit from the 9/11 attacks?

The disappearance of the Gold Bullion stored under the WTC for starters. A couple wars to kill off some of the population and "useless eaters". Destruction and elimination of the protestant United States with their civil rights and right to own guns. Religious wars that discredit legitimacy of all other religions, and shake the faiths of all religious people to convert them to the Vatican's one world faith. Global one world secular government by the Papacy ruling from Jerusalem. The list goes on for quite a few other "benefits" from their perspective.

These do not ring my chimes, but viewing the "cui bono" question from the point of view of the Jesuits makes a lot of sense to create chaos and world wars, which appear to be escalating out of control. A few nukes from the USA and Israel, followed by a few nukes from Russia and China can get the world population down to the Georgia Guidestones goal of 500,000,000 people on the planet in the blink of an eye.

The secrecy and blood oaths (death as a consequence for breaching) of these societies also explains why not one person in any authority in the government have been prosecuted or held accountable for 9/11 in the last six years (or in the JFK, RFK, MLK, JFKjr assassinations for that matter as well).

You can find many of these "cui bono" points at this site for FREE:

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/

If you want to add these private emails to the thread we are discussing, you certainly have my permission. My hope is that others can begin to see for themselves, if they want to know who is actually responsible for 9/11 and all that followed, they should read deeper into this subject.

May the freedom force be with you,




I have just started reading 'vaticanassassins.org' and can only talk about my first impression.

You said: "Destruction and elimination of the protestant(sic!) United States with their civil rights and right to own guns." (because the 'enemy' is Catholic and situated *outside* the US B) )

This is hardly to digest from a European point of view and I found more of these "US-focusing" interpretations of clearly worldwide strategies of the Powers to be.



I'll keep on reading this site, but I am incertain whether I will find a totaly new dimension of truth about the secret powers on Earth or just

Zionist propaganda and desinformation!!!

Zap

Posted by: André Sep 17 2007, 03:33 AM

I believe what motivates and unites the elite is greed, I do not believe they have any inclinations to follow any one person or leader, they follow an agenda as long as it is beneficial for them, and as far the complex large scale operations go, it's like everything else, they hire professionals to plan and execute them :ph43r:

Posted by: Sanders Sep 17 2007, 04:01 AM

I have a feeling that all these theories relating to the role of the Vatican, the Jesuits, the Freemasons, the Illuminati, etc. etc. may have some shards of truth in them, but are probably mostly smoke. Ultimately the world is run by people, and whatever organizations they affiliate themselves with are merely manifestations of their power and tools for them to wield influence.

There is a story I read, I don't have the link so I'll have to paraphrase. David Rockefeller was at a Bilderberg meeting and one of the Rothschilds gave a talk about some kooky idea, bottling up carbon dioxide in arctic ice or something like that, and Rockefeller said to his guest who he was sitting with, 'If you know what's good for you you won't say anything critical about that speech'. I am fuzzy on the details but that was the jist of it - if it's true.

The Rothschilds are by far the richest people on the planet. Here's just a couple of the homes they have owned/lived in.
http://www.hha.org.uk/HHA/images/Waddesdon_Manor_Gardens_1.jpg
http://hanoiswans.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/chateau-de-montvillargenne.jpg
http://www.haltonhouse.org.uk/

I agree with Andre that it's probably not so well organized, that there are ongoing power struggles all along the pyramid, and while I suspect that the Rothschilds are at or near the top, I get the feeling they are not very "hands-on". If there is a top dog among the world's banking elite, I figure it's probably Jacob Rothschild. But you'll never know, you'll never find any Rothschilds on the Forbes top 10 billionaire list, you'll be hard pressed to find anything that fingers the Rothschilds as being behind the Federal Reserve Act, you'll (almost) never find their names associated with the Bilderberg Group or societies like that, and know one really knows how much wealth they have or how much power they yield. David Rockefeller probably knows, but he won't tell...

:ph43r:

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 17 2007, 02:19 PM

QUOTE (Sanders @ Sep 17 2007, 03:01 AM)
The Rothschilds are by far the richest people on the planet.

The Rothschilds are pretty darn rich, yes, but not the richest; at least not by my reckoning:

“Queen Elizabeth II the largest landowner on Earth.”

Queen Elizabeth II, head of state of the United Kingdom and of 31 other states and territories, is the legal owner of about 6,600 million acres of land, one sixth of the earth’s non ocean surface.
She is the only person on earth who owns whole countries, and who owns countries that are not her own domestic territory. This land ownership is separate from her role as head of state and is different from other monarchies where no such claim is made – Norway, Belgium, Denmark etc.
The value of her land holding. £17,600,000,000,000 (approx).

This makes her the richest individual on earth. However, there is no way easily to value her real estate. There is no current market in the land of entire countries. At a rough estimate of $5,000 an acre, and based on the sale of Alaska to the USA by the Tsar, and of Louisiana to the USA by France, the Queen’s land holding is worth a notional $33,000,000,000,000 (Thirty three trillion dollars or about £17,600,000,000,000). Her holding is based on the laws of the countries she owns and her land title is valid in all the countries she owns. Her main holdings are Canada, the 2nd largest country on earth, with 2,467 million acres, Australia, the 7th largest country on earth with 1,900 million acres, the Papua New Guinea with 114 million acres, New Zealand with 66 million acres and the UK with 60 million acres.

http://www.whoownstheworld.com/about-the-book/largest-landowner/

Here is America's President Bush honoring Her Royal Majesty the Queen at the Whitehouse White Tie State Dinner.


Note: Bush is not saluting the Texas Longhorns here! Check out this mosaic from San Vitale, Ravenna, an ancient church in Italy:



Saint Luke is not saluting the Texas longhorns either. In fact, the Mano Cornuto is a salute to the ancient Horned God:


(Worship of Apis. Fra Filippino Lippi 15C)

The terms crown and coronet actually stem from the Latin cornus meaning horn: hence Mano Cornuto, i.e. Horned Hand. The Roman name for the Horned God is of course, Cronus.

Now when assigning responsibility one should always take into account personal status. In this regard it is important to understand that the Rockefellers work as agents for the Rothschilds and the Rothschilds work as agents for the Queen; this is called: Chain of Command. In terms of this chain, the Ceremony of the City Sword is a revealing tradition.

The Lord Mayor of the City of London is the head of the City of London Corporation. He is also the ambassador for the UK based financial services industry which is headquartered in the City, but includes the regional financial centres such as Edinburgh, Glasgow, Leeds, Manchester and Bristol. This task necessitates much time overseas in promoting the services of the City. During these visits the Lord Mayor will obviously take the opportunity to promote London as a whole. As part of his ambassadorial role for financial services he also receives visiting Heads of State and Governments on behalf of the British government and the City. He hosts seminars, conferences and banquets for them, as well as other entertainment for overseas ministers and business leaders.

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/business_city/lordmayor/mayoroflondon.htm

The Lord Mayor's signs of office are a ceremonial mace and bearing sword and though splendidly ornate, it should be remembered that the mace and sword are both weapons of subjugation.



The Ceremony of the Sword involves the Queen and the Lord Mayor. The Queen approaches the Temple Bar of the City of London in her state carriage.



The Lord Mayor advances and offers the Queen the handle of his bearing sword.



This is from a report on the Queen's Golden Jubilee:

At Temple Bar, the Queen was met by The Lord Mayor of London who offered The Pearl Sword, the handle of which was touched by Her Majesty through the now opened door of The Gold State Coach. This Ceremony of the Sword symbolises the precedence of the Sovereign in the City and is conducted in silence.

http://www.thamesweb.co.uk/windsor/windsor2002/jubilee/index.html

Contrary to what is sometimes suggested, the Queen is not requiring permission to enter the City; rather, it is that the Lord Mayor of the City of London is paying fealty to Her Royal Majesty, and of course, as the head of the City of London Corporation, the Lord Mayor is representing the corporations of the City, i.e. the Banks.

Now could that be any clearer?

Here is one final picture and a question:



Who do you think owns who, here?

Posted by: Sanders Sep 17 2007, 02:38 PM

QUOTE (Factfinder General @ Sep 18 2007, 03:19 AM)

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She owns him, obviously.

Who owns who in this picture?

(hard to tell)



Actually, I think we've hit on the crux of it. Excuse my French, but, Jew bankers verses Anglo royalty. The Rothschilds have been sensitive about it for a hundred and fifty years. The Bilderberg Group represents European Royaly, not the Rothschilds. Yet I beg to differ, the Rothsfchilds are far richer than the queen. They just don't have the right DNA to rule the world. But they try. Israel is not completely disconnected to all this btw. Behind the scenes it's a mess, I'm sure.

2 cents

Posted by: Sanders Sep 17 2007, 02:49 PM

What thread is this?? This is a really good discussion. I really think that it's a war that we don't see between Money and land-owning Royalty. I think the Rothschilds have been sensitive over this fine point for a very long time, and Israel is their shot at being the king of something other than a bank.

I think the men and women behind the curtain fight and fenagle and vie for position just like anyone. They do have an overriding agenda though - that 9/11 was implemented to forward.

Sorry, I can't see yet how the Jesuits figure into it.

Edit: Legally, the power of the British crown resides in the City of London. Has since the 12th century if memory serves. All of the Bar Associations around the world swear fealty to the International Bar @ the Crown Temple Church - which is in the City of London. I wonder if the Queen is really above the Bankers/Lawyers in the City. ???

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 17 2007, 03:41 PM

QUOTE (Sanders @ Sep 17 2007, 01:38 PM)
Actually, I think we've hit on the crux of it.  Excuse my French, but,  Jew bankers verses Anglo royalty.  The Rothschilds have been sensitive about it for a hundred and fifty years.  The Bilderberg Group represents European Royaly, not the Rothschilds. Yet I beg to differ, the Rothsfchilds are far richer than the queen.  They just don't have the right DNA to rule the world.  But they try. Israel is not completely disconnected to all this btw.  Behind the scenes it's a mess, I'm sure.

2 cents

The crux of the matter indeed! wink.gif

Now, if you study the history of the Rothschilds, which you probably have, then it will become apparent that the family owes its superior status in lieu of being agents to Royalty. Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the Rothchild dynasty, got his start managing the estate of Princess Mary of Great Britain's son, William IX, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel.

Later this relationship continued as Anthony de Rothschild was created the 1st Baronet de Rothschild by Queen Victoria, who further bestowed his son Nathan Mayer with the title of Baron Rothschild and a subsequent peerage. It was Nathan, of course, who appointed Cecil Rhodes his agent in South Africa.

In this most symbiotic of relationships, the Bankers represent the brains, and the Royals represent the brawn (and Queen Elizabeth is the acknowkedged CIC of seventeen sovereign nations.) The Royals are as the proverbial bully in the playground with the geek (the Bankers) in tow, as it were.

The Ceremony of the City Sword really "spells" it out, making the subservience of the bankers to Royalty plain. There is no power struggle here as I see it, though of course there are squabbles as to entitlement. The use of the word "spell" is purposeful here. "Magic" (i.e. spiritual power) plays its role in all situations regarding profound power, consciously or subconsciously. Indeed, part of the long lasting nature of Royal domination is the Family's conscious application of the "Craft" (and it is too bad that David Icke has been pooping in that particular punchbowl).

P.S. As I understand it: The Jesuits fit into this as infiltrating agents of the Royals. wink.gif

Posted by: Sanders Sep 17 2007, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Factfinder General @ Sep 18 2007, 04:41 AM)
The Ceremony of the City Sword really "spells" it out, making the subservience of the bankers to Royalty plain...

I thought it was the other way around.

King John in the 12th century, trying to un-excommunicate himself and England, handed the power of the crown over to the pope. The pope's army were the Templars, who resided in the City of London, hence the power of the Crown resides there to this day, hence the Queen walks several steps behind the Mayor of the City when they do their little parades. Am I mistaken ?

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 17 2007, 08:17 PM

QUOTE (Sanders @ Sep 17 2007, 03:51 PM)
QUOTE (Factfinder General @ Sep 18 2007, 04:41 AM)
The Ceremony of the City Sword really "spells" it out, making the subservience of the bankers to Royalty plain...

I thought it was the other way around.

King John in the 12th century, trying to un-excommunicate himself and England, handed the power of the crown over to the pope. The pope's army were the Templars, who resided in the City of London, hence the power of the Crown resides there to this day, hence the Queen walks several steps behind the Mayor of the City when they do their little parades. Am I mistaken ?

Yes, I believe that you are mistaken but purposefully (i.e. you have been purposefully misled) and thus understandably so. It is all Disinfo IMO, Sanders, my dear fellow. The Royals have skillfully gone UG with their power, is all. Dare I say it but the Declaration of Independence was a sham too what with agents of the Crown signing the Declaration for both parties. Old George Washington running up the British East India Company flag on January 1st 1776 on Prospect Hill, to honor the upcoming independence should be a clue too.


(Painting by Clyde O. Deland)


Flag of the British East India Company 1707 -1800 with the Kingdom of Great Britain Canton

To this day Americans honor the ensign of John Company (i.e. the British East India Company) every July 4th. Only the Canton in the top left corner has changed, as it now represents the 50 States or Companies of John Company. (The States were previously called Colonies, but originally known as Companies.) This is one of the oldest tricks in the book, to pretend to hand over power and instead keep it, though this time invisibly. It is the old "shell" game. Companies do it all the time to make sure no one gets too nervous. It's what Rothschild did with American Banks by using Rockefeller and J. P. Morgan as his agents.

This, of course, is all as I understand it.

Sorry if my understandings disconcert or disillusion you but it is as well to see behind the curtain of deception, would not you say?

Posted by: jadenter Sep 20 2007, 01:04 PM

QUOTE (amazed! @ Sep 15 2007, 07:19 PM)
What do you think the Jesuits had to do with the events of 11 September?

QUOTE (directearnings)
The Jesuits are at the top of eveything...they control everything


Getting back in this thread to the original question posed by Directearnings in the LOBBY before it was moved down here to the obscure "Religion Forum".

The information provided by FactFinder General about the wealth and influence of the British Crown was interesting and I believe that the Bank of England is the largest private owner of the Federal Reserve "Bank". The British Royals are definitely players in the global control groups.

The question this thread should address is who is at the pinnacle of the pyramid and what did the purported Jesuits ("The Jesuits are at the top of everything... they control everything") have to do with 9/11.

In an earlier post, I directed researchers to consider Eric Phelps research and his now completed book with 1,836 pages of the role of the Black Pope and the Jesuits, "Vatican Assassins III - Wounded In The House of My Friends". Another researcher and writer about the role of the Vatican in world affairs is C.T. Wilcox whose most recent published book is: "THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE REPUBLIC, The Origins of the Religious Hi-Jacking of the American Government, And The Truth Behind the Assassination Of Abraham Lincoln" http://www.ctwilcox.com/.

Please consider and comment on this web page from Eric Phelps' web site that addresses the question posed in this thread which can be found at this URL: http://vaticanassassins.org/
Simply click the link on the left of the site labeled as "NY Attack"

QUOTE
-Vatican Assassins: NY Attack
     

        Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, the General of the International Military Order of the Society of Jesus, commonly known as “the Black Pope”, ordered the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Tuesday, September 11, 2001, with the advice and consent of his General Staff, composed of five assistants (each representing a hemisphere and under whom are many advisory Provincials), an advisor (resembling the likes of a military commander to warn him of any faults or mistakes), and his confessor (to ease his conscience and absolve him of his many sins).

        Why?  Because the appointed time has arrived for the Jesuit General to destroy both the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, secretly using his CIA/Nazi-trained, Masonic Zionist Mossad in conjunction with his CIA/Nazi-trained, Masonic Islamic Intelligence Agencies, including Osama bin Laden’s MAK and Pakistan’s ISI, while shrouded in the confusion of a huge aerial war yet to come.  This will enable the General’s crusading Knights Templars (the present day Shriner Freemasons) to rebuild Solomon’s Temple — for the Papal Caesar in Rome’s Vatican.  And how could the Black Pope destroy these Moslem Mosques, they comprising the third most important Islamic religious site in the world behind Saudi Arabia’s Mecca and Medina, without causing an uncontrollable Moslem holy war, called a “jihad”, resulting in the destruction of Pope Pius XII’s creation of Zionist Israel?  (Remember, Israel was admitted into the New York-based United Nations in 1949 through the efforts of Jesuit-trained Francis Cardinal Spellman – the darling of Pope Pius XII who, after his Jesuits carried out the Jewish Holocaust in Europe and then driving the survivors to Palestine, intended, under the guidance of his Jesuit confessor, Augustin Cardinal Bea, to make Jerusalem an international city – while governed by the Papal Caesar’s Chaim Weizmann and his Masonic Jewish Zionists.)  The Black Pope must cause a war using a country he also wishes to further destroy.  Enter the “Holy Roman” Fourteenth Amendment American Jesuit Empire created in 1868 on the ruins of George Washington’s Calvinist Republic, the last political stronghold of the Protestant Reformation with freedom of conscience, freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

        Here was the “Father General’s” plan.  In synchronizing his worldwide overt and covert factions to work the Order’s evil ends of the Vatican’s Counter-Reformation in restoring the Papal Caesar as the absolute Universal Monarch of the World, the Black Pope used his Masonically-controlled, fanatically anti-Jewish Race, Islamic Intelligence operatives under the domestic control of the CIA (Osama bin Laden having been directed, financed and trained by the CIA for at least ten years — just like Jesuit-trained and CIA-financed Fidel Castro before he, like bin Laden, became a false enemy of the CFR-controlled American government) to be openly and notoriously instructed as Islamic pilots at the Venice Airport (a Florida facility used by the CIA since 1948) in order for Archbishop Egan’s controlled American Press to spread the prepared news release that the doomed airliners were hijacked by “Arab terrorists” in the employ of Osama bin Laden when in fact, to the horror of the American pilots, the airliners had been taken over and guided to their targets, remotely controlled by American Military Intelligence operatives overseen by the Black Pope’s CIA/NSA.

        The Mussulmans in training never boarded the airliners involved in the September attacks evidenced by the absence of Islamic names on all four passenger lists. There was no fight between the passengers and the "hijackers" on flight 93, as reported by the deceived wife of the late Jeremy Glick. For flight 93 was shot down by an F-16 fighter, blowing off its wing which landed at least six miles away from the main wreckage! And if the inexperienced "hijackers" had boarded all four airliners, the novices never would have been able to navigate the planes into the targets unless they had been crack fighter pilots according to a group of highly professional, both civilian and military, American aviators. Archbishop Egan's CFR-controlled American Press then placed the blame for these acts of high treason and murder squarely on the shoulders of the Black Pope's Saudi prince and CIA operative, Osama bin Laden, including his al-Qaeda Network secretly working for the Jesuit General's International Terrorist Network. Tens of thousands of "heretic and liberal" Americans perished, thereby justifying a war between the Moslem World and "the Great Satan".

(Has not American technology, developed through the Protestant right of freedom of conscience as applied to science, brought wealth and prosperity to the once poverty stricken, barren wilderness of Saudi Arabia, the cultural center for the religion of Islam?  And if so, why would not Saudi Arabia, in a gesture of thankfulness, give economic aid to their brother Moslem Arab Palestinians enabling them to relocate to other surrounding Islamic nations of their choice?  Would not this further secure the peace of the Jewish People now in their own land, having been persecuted and mass murdered for the last two thousand years, whose right to the land through the Abrahamic Covenant has never been abrogated by them or disannulled by Almighty God who gave it to this “seed of Abraham” in Genesis 17: 7, 8?

A Papal conspirator in the assassination of Israel’s Masonic Prime Minister, Yitzak Rabin, Freemason Shimon Peres, who was educated by Jesuits as a youth in Poland and now the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Zionist Israel, is being welcomed to the Jesuit General’s Council on Foreign Relations, based in New York’s Harold Pratt House, by its Masonic Chairman of the Board, Peter G. Peterson, and by one of its Directors, Leslie H. Gelb, on September 29, 1993.  Shimon Peres also holds shares in the PLO's public phone company, Paltel, in conjunction with the Bin Laden Royal Family of Saudi Arabia and Yassir Arafat! Since there is an obvious Bush/Bin Laden business connection through the CFR,s Carlyle Group headed by Edward Cardinal Egan's Knight of Malta Frank C. Carlucci, why should not there be a similar connection between Peres, Bin Laden and Arafat? For they are all in the same Masonic Brotherhood's "Invisible Empire" overseen by the sovereign Grand Master and Commander of all - the Black Pope. 

A Papal mass murderer of Jewish People, “Chairman” of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) and professional agitator, Freemason Yassir Arafat is also being welcomed by the Archbishop of New York’s Council on Foreign Relations in the person of one of its “Presiders”, Lee H. Hamilton, on January 20, 2000.

Could it be that neither the Masonic Jewish Zionists in the person of CFR-controlled Shimon Peres nor the Masonic Moslem Palestinian Liberation Organization in the person of CFR-controlled Yassir Arafat, both being secret agents for the Black Pope, truly want to resolve this Jesuit agitation? Do not the ongoing and unfair international negotiations, like the historic Treaty of Versailles, always promote more intense resultant agitations, furthering the agenda of Rome’s Papal Caesar who intends to rule the world from a Third Temple in Jerusalem?  Indeed, this unceasing agitation is necessary if the Pope is to be the Universal Monarch of the World!)

        The Black Pope now has a perfect war between two Peoples he wishes to destroy.  For both Peoples, the White and Black Protestants and Baptists along with the Jewish Race of North America, and the Semitic Moslems of the Middle East, are condemned by the Jesuits’ evil and wicked Council of Trent, they having been historically the greatest enemies of the Jesuit Order’s “infallible” Pope, who, since the days of Innocent III (1215), has claimed to be the one true God on earth.  According to Motley’s The Dutch Republic, it was America’s White Anglo-Saxon Protestant-Calvinist Dutch Reformed forefathers, known as the “Wild Beggars of the Sea”, who gave religious liberty to Bible-based Western Civilization.  These godly and fearless sailors, in stoutly resisting Papal tyranny, wore an Islamic Crescent – not a Cross – on their caps with the immemorial inscription written below:

“Rather Turkish Than Popish”.

The institutions to be destroyed on September 11, 2001 were the Banking and Military centers of “the Great Satan” – the Pope’s World Trade Center and the Pentagon overseen by his Knights of Malta – supporting and protecting the Pope’s Zionist government of Israel.  There, the Jewish People, in the midst of whom are the Lord’s beloved Jewish Race, known as “the holy seed” with Biblical promises yet to inherit including the fulfilling of the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants under their returning Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, have been set up to be ultimately betrayed, as they are UNKNOWINGLY living under the secret government of the Black Pope, publicly overseen by his Masonic Jewish Zionists in conjunction with certain of his Masonic Talmudic Rabbis, who betrayed their own Jewish People, both racially and religiously, into Hitler’s Death Camps during World War II!

Its subterranean storehouse of gold quite possibly having been previously removed to the New York Federal Reserve Bank, the World Trade Center was sacrificed, INTERNALLY IMPLODED, using surgically placed Composition C5 charges detonated by the New York Archbishop, Edward Cardinal Egan, through his unified American Intelligence Community.

Cardinal Egan’s American Intelligence Network includes the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the Secret Service, Military Intelligence, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Mafia Commission.  Years ago these agencies and criminals all worked together in carrying out the Kennedy Assassination and Cover-up under the control of their former master, Francis Cardinal Spellman.  The World Trade Center’s Masonic Twin Towers, Jachin and Boaz, were sacrificed in EXCHANGE for the future destruction of the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.  This mass murder has ignited American blind patriotic rage as calculated, that rage being now directed by the Black Pope’s CFR-controlled Press, including his CFR-controlled Masonic Jewish Zionists, against the Islamic Middle East Peoples — among whom reside the Masonic Moslem branch of the Jesuit General’s International Terrorist Network.  This act of secret Papal terrorism has been used to justify a massive foreign war, a secret Papal Crusade, while the tools of the Jesuit Order have tyrannically implemented domestic martial law by means of the “USA PATRIOT Act” in America and the “Bomb Bill C-36 Act” in Canada.  Sadly, cooler and more informed, truly patriotic heads have not prevailed.  God help us!

          This attack was an act of war carried out by the slaves of the Black Pope, both domestic and foreign, thereby enabling the White Pope’s American fascist puppet, George W. Bush, to declare a “war on [Islamic] terrorism” – to the exclusion of Roman Catholic terrorism led by secret Jesuits such as Fidel Castro of Communist Cuba and Gerry Adams of the IRA – with no specific enemy nation in sight.  (For Washington, D.C. is secretly ruled by Edward Cardinal Egan from St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York.  As the country’s “Military Vicar” and most powerful American Archbishop, Egan is aided by Georgetown University and Fordham University Jesuits including the learned and seasoned, eighty-two year old, Avery Cardinal Dulles.)  This massive retaliation, to last between four to ten years being another Papal Crusade against the Islamic Peoples in rivaling those of the Dark Ages, has now been declared.  It will be waged by Cardinal Egan’s CFR-controlled Commander-in-Chief, George W. Bush, having been advised of his role to play during his most recent visit with the Baal-worshipping, cannibalistic (believing the unbiblical doctrine of transubstantiation), absolute dictator in the Vatican, Pope John Paul II.

New York’s Edward Cardinal Egan, being the “Archbishop of the political Capital of the World”, the master of the Council on Foreign Relations and thus controlling all the agencies comprising his unified American Intelligence Network, has used six primary tools in igniting this secret Papal Crusade.  They are President George W. Bush, ex-President George H. W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Advisor to the President Condoleezza Rice, Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan, and CIA Director George Tenet, all being members of the Archbishop’s Council on Foreign Relations.  The following Bill of Particulars justify our charges:

1.    The “terrorist” attacks were predicted and exposed well in advance of September 11, 2001.  Dr. Garth Nicholson, Ph.D., a foremost researcher of the Gulf War Syndrome investigators, reported to Pentagon officials that he had confirmed intelligence indicating that on Sept. 11, 2001 a “terrorist” strike against the Pentagon would be made.  Their sources included individuals in key intelligence positions, the Mafia, and one high-level African diplomat. The warning was passed on to, among others, the National Security Council (Condoleezza Rice) but is was ignored. Dr. Leonard Horowitz, an award winning author of several tremendous books, also made a valiant effort to alert the government, but to no avail.

2.    On Friday, September 7, Florida Governor Jeb Bush, a brother to the President, issued an Executive Order in which members of the Florida National Guard were activated, “for the purpose of training to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disaster.” The Bush Dynasty, including the former Director of the CIA and business partner of the Gulf War’s Saddam Hussein, Shriner George H. W. Bush, not only knew the attacks were coming but actively participated in them.

3.    On Sunday night, September 17, 2001, in the Providence of the risen Son of God, CBS’s television program titled “60 Minutes” revealed that President Bush’s close associates had suddenly, and inexplicably, sold all their airline stock only a few days before the “terrorist” attacks. The story was subsequently buried by the CFR-controlled Press, which includes CFR-controlled CBS. Again, the CFR/CIA-controlled Bush Dynasty, had a foreknowledge of the coming mass murder and thus stand indicted of high treason being the agents of Edward Cardinal Egan.

4.    President and Papal Agent George W. Bush controlling the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) sent the Urban Search and Rescue Team to New York City THE NIGHT BEFORE the attacks occurred! One FEMA official, Mr. Tom Kennedy, told Press icon, CFR member and player in the Kennedy Assassination, Dan Rather, on September 11, 2001, “We’re currently one of the first teams that was deployed to support the City of New York in this disaster. We arrived on late Monday night [that is, on September 10, the NIGHT BEFORE] and went right into action on Tuesday morning.”

5.    Osama bin Laden and his band of “Terrorists” could not have pulled off the “sophisticated” operation of four simultaneous air hijackings, and precision directed attacks, without the support of one or more “intelligence organizations [which includes the CIA and its Director, CFR member George Tenet].”  This was the expert testimony provided by past CIA Afghanistan operations director and bin Laden’s intelligence advisor, Milt Bearden, interviewed by Dan Rather on September 12, 2001.  In fact, when pressed by Dan Rather to endorse the theory of bin Laden’s culpability, Mr. Bearden stated, “If they didn’t have an Osma bin Laden, they would invent one.”

6.    On October 31, 2001, the French daily “Le Figaro” reported that Osama bin Laden had met with a high-level CIA official in July 2000.  At that time, bin Laden was already being sought for trial due to his involvement in two U.S. Embassy bombings and the U.S.S. Cole attack.  The meeting was held in bin Laden’s private suite in the plush Dubai Hospital built by American construction companies for the care of the Order’s Masonic royal Moslem families running Islam’s unified Middle East Intelligence Community and Terrorist Network on behalf of the CIA. Though he could have been killed – like the CIA’s Fidel Castro – according to President Bill Clinton’s intelligence findings, on July 14th he was released and left Dubai on his private jet.  Osama bin Laden is a creature of the Black Pope’s CIA and has remained so to this day.

7.    Osama bin Laden took his direction and money from the CIA for ten years. During this time, approximately five (5) billion dollars was funneled to his organization through black op budgets (financed by the Black Pope’s International Drug Trade) into a CIA operation known as Maktab al-Khidamar—the MAK. It is clear, as a MAK mercenary army leader, bin Laden’s fortune vastly increased during that time. Since, like the Mafia, “Once in the CIA, always in the CIA”, bin Laden’s MAK is merely an extension of the Black Pope’s International Intelligence Community and Terrorist Network. And if the CIA controls the Intelligence Network of Afghanistan, then it controls the Intelligence Agencies of Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya and Turkey. Indeed, the words of Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar were correct when he said in an interview contained on page thirty-four in the November issue of Free American:

“America controls the governments of the Islamic countries…It should stop trying to impose its empire on the rest of the world, especially on Islamic countries.”

8.    Aaron Swirsksi, one of the architects of the World Trade Center, said they designed the towers to withstand airplane collisions. “I designed it for a 707 hit,” he said.  The collapse of the buildings came as a complete “shock” to him and his colleagues. Van Romero, a demolition expert, former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center, and current Vice President for research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, said that the manner in which the Twin Towers collapsed resembled those of controlled implosions used in planned demolition. “My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse,” Romero said. NBC News interviewed people who had escaped "ground zero" on September 11, 2001. One unidentified man said "We were stuck on the stairs for a while. I came down from the 85th floor.  When we were just about to leave the building, there was a blast."  A woman’s testimony followed:  “I got stuck on the stairs.  When we got to the lobby there was a blast,” she said.

Further, the demolition of the North Tower of the World Trade Center, floors 22, 23, and 24, destroyed massive FBI evidence against CFR member James Giffen, the CEO of the CFR’s Mobile Corporation, for illegal oil swaps between Iran and Kazakhstan.  There was also evidence against CFR member and Shriner Freemason Alan Greenspan – the Jewish Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Jesuit General’s Federal Reserve Banking System – involving GOLD PRICE FIXING.  Greenspan’s Masonic Jewish Zionist partners in crime included the CFR’s Morgan Stanley & Company and the CFR’s Goldman Sachs & Company.  The evidence shows that those floors exploded and were destroyed minutes before the explosions from the airplane, and suggests that the airplane crashes were simply a “ruse of war”.  Obviously, the Intelligence Community of Archbishop Edward Cardinal Egan IMPLODED the buildings which not only suppressed and destroyed evidence, but also resulted in the death and burial of at least forty-two of his loyal Knights of Columbus and several honest FBI agents.  Indeed the Archbishop followed the great Jesuit maxim of “the ends justify the means.”

9.    On September 11, 2001, President Bush, with the full knowledge of CFR member and the intimate friend of Archbishop Egan, Vice President Richard Cheney, was in Sarasota, Florida (the home of the Venice Airport, a CIA facility, that had openly and notoriously trained Islamic pilots thereby enabling the Black Pope’s CIA to blame its contract agent, Osama bin Laden, for the destruction of the WTC).  The President was “reading to children in a classroom at 9:05 a.m. when his chief of staff, Andrew Card, whispered [the news] into his ear, according to an Associated Press release of September 12, the day after the attack.  The President briefly turned somber before he resumed reading…[Next] President Bush listened to eighteen Booker Elementary School second-graders read a story about a girl’s pet goat…before he spoke briefly and somberly about the terrorist attacks.”  Here we have America’s Commander-in-Chief calmly talking for about thirty minutes before he leisurely responded to the country’s greatest national security crisis in history along with its accompanying tragedies.  And no wonder, for he had been briefed by Pope John Paul II during his visit to the Vatican only weeks prior to our national disaster!  CFR member and CIA Director George Tenet had also kept the President advised.

10.    Many journalists have reported that the bombing of Afghanistan, allegedly intended to punish the Taliban for affiliations with bin Laden, is simply a cover for the Taliban’s destruction of Afghanistan’s opium crop thus the curtailing of the Black Pope’s International Drug Trade. The Taliban also withdrew its former support for an oil pipeline to be built by CFR Henry Kissinger and CFR George Shultz’s Unocal Corporation through Afghanistan from the vast Caspian Sea oil fields. September 11 provided a great excuse to pursue the Jesuit Order/CFR’s illegal drug traffic along with its petrochemical, economic, and “national security” martial law objective. More importantly, this pipeline is necessary for the fueling of the war machine of our future invader, the massive Red Chinese Army, under the command of the Company of Jesus.

We, the American people, thanks to our Popish, prostitute Press, have been hoodwinked into fighting this war even as we were deceived into fighting the Pope’s war against the Japanese People during World War II, the consummation of the Jesuit General’s Second Thirty Years War waged from 1914 to 1945.  For the attack on Pearl Harbor was no surprise to the nation’s most visible Shriner Freemason, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, even as the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon was no surprise to the nation’s most visible Skull and Bones member, the wicked and evil mass murderer, President George W. Bush.

If the foregoing scenario is true, we believe the American People, deceived by our own Jesuit/CFR-controlled government, will fall into the trap of fighting a lengthy, large scale Middle East War, resulting in at least six things that will further our country’s demise including the scrapping of our Reformed Protestant Constitution, while thoroughly benefiting the Jesuit Order’s Counter-Reformation. They are:

1.    Worldwide anti-Jewish fury on a grand scale, especially in America, as a result of the Black Pope’s openly agitating, secretly CFR-controlled, Masonic Jewish Zionists and thus, the beloved Jewish People of Israel being blamed for the Papal Caesar’s international Jesuit Crusade;

2.    The destruction of both the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque – blamed on American Military forces – thereby enabling the Pope’s Shriner Freemasons to rebuild Solomon’s Temple, while simultaneously unifying Islamic fury, coordinated and directed by the Black Pope’s Masonic Moslem Intelligence Agencies in conjunction with his Masonic North American Intelligence Agencies, against the “heretic and liberal” American and Canadian Peoples of North America, we having been paganized through the Jesuit Order’s Bible-rejecting and deceptive educational systems, controlled Press and demoralizing theater movies;

3.    The killing of millions of fanatical Moslems who would otherwise attack Israel when the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque are destroyed in Jerusalem, not to mention the possible destruction of Mecca and Medina, further securing the peace of the Papal Caesar’s Zionist government of Israel.  That false peace will be maintained by the united European nations, their unity brought about by the Club of Rome in the person of the Spanish Knight of Malta and Commander of NATO forces during the bombing mass-murder of Orthodox Serbs in Yugoslavia, JAVIER SOLANA. These united, predominantly Roman Catholic, European nations will compose the Pope’s revived Holy Roman Empire, the new “Sword of the Church”.  At this time the Black Pope will have no more need for the drugged, exhausted, bankrupt, amalgamated and demoralized American People of his “Holy Roman” Fourteenth Amendment American Empire;

4.    The tyranny of a White American fascist military dictator having arisen out of the “New Right” Republican Party due to anarchy giving way to a race war as a result of Negro and Hispanic rioting in our major cities coordinated by the Black Pope’s Masonically-led and racist Black army of the Nation of Islam. He will use America’s existing concentration camp system to kill millions of Jews, “heretics and liberals” pursuant to the Jesuits’ evil Council of Trent – just as Hitler “the Austrian” and homosexual drug addict destroyed apostate Protestant Germany with the help of FDR's USAF and Churchill's RAF - further justifying our nation's destruction;

5.    The betrayal and defeat of our armies fighting a two-front war which we cannot win, one in the Middle East and the other possibly in the Far East against China, just as Napoleon betrayed his army in Russia in 1812, and just like Hitler betrayed his army in Russia one hundred and thirty years later, both treasonous dictators having been under orders from the advisors of the Black Pope;

6.    Massive invasion and attack into North America, China and Russia storming the West Coast while China and a united Moslem host march into the Southeast Coast, known as “the Bible belt”, using the Bahamas and Cuba as staging bases.  Our Jesuit-controlled leaders carrying out the nation’s immigration policies, in establishing a huge resident “fifth column” of Chinese, Moslem, Hindu and Hispanic aliens within our borders, have betrayed us Americans. The heart-breaking result will be the subjugation of the last apostate bastion of the Protestant Reformation and will compel Europe to unite reviving the old Holy Roman Empire – under the Papal Caesar.

This scenario is the answer as to Who and Why we were attacked on September 11, 2001, Bloody Black Tuesday.  But after all, we apostate, Bible-rejecting White People deserve it, as I have said on this web page and in my book, Vatican Assassins: “Wounded In The House Of My Friends”.  The Jesuit General’s “Holy Roman” Fourteenth Amendment American Empire has been used to fulfill the Papal Caesar’s evil Council of Trent by oppressing and destroying “heretic and liberal” Bible believers, peoples and governments of at least eighty nations during the last one hundred years.  Called by Jesuit John Courtney Murray and Knight of Malta Henry R. Luce “the American Century”, the Knights of Malta and Shriner Freemasons on Wall Street restored the Temporal Power of the Papacy (which Power was destroyed in the glorious Nineteenth Century) by financing Mao Tse-tung’s Communism, Stalin’s Communism, Hitler’s Nazism and the Fascism of Mussolini, Franco and Castro.

We Americans have it coming, and now that we have leapt into this trap of a Middle East war with the Moslem World, advocated by our Pennsylvania Senator and Shriner Freemason, the infamous Arlen Specter (who was “Cardinal Spellman’s Jew” having authored the magic single-bullet theory of the Warren Commission and served as President Clinton’s defender while on trial in the Senate), apparently the righteous Judgment of the risen Son of God is about to unfold.  Our beloved country, the only nation in the history of the world to be founded on the Bible of the Protestant Reformation, will be turned into a nightmarish police state and a Nazi/Soviet concentration camp hell-on-earth because we have forgotten the God of our White American Protestant and Baptist-Calvinist founding fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Whose Spirit inspired these words: 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed in the name
of the only begotten Son of God.

– John 3:16-18


Jeff

PS: Have the PFT Moderators (Zap) felt compelled to move this thread to a more prominent Forum for wider member participation and comment? As stated before, this is THE QUESTION!

Last year I spent a few days with Phil Jayhan (Pods and "Let's Roll" forum) when he was visiting Sofia Smallstorm, and he was the first person to propose the role of the Vatican and Black Pope in the crimes of 9/11 and as the global controllers (pyramind pinnacle). At the time, I thought he was out of his mind, because at that time, in my mind, it was the Neocons/Iraeli's/Zionists.

Today, in my opinion, the real controllers are in fact the Black Pope as the Jesuit General (military) and the Vatican. I do not have any facts or figures to document the wealth of the Vatican's land holdings or financial holdings to compare and contrast to the holdings of the Royals and British Empire, but I have no doubt that they dwarf all other competitors and they have the added component of a proposed "World Religion".

We are embroiled in "spiritual warfare" on a global scale.

Posted by: Zapzarap Sep 20 2007, 03:02 PM

QUOTE (jadenter)
PS: Have the PFT Moderators (Zap) felt compelled to move this thread to a more prominent Forum for wider member participation and comment? As stated before, this is THE QUESTION!


Personally I think, that there is no better place for this discussion than in 'Religion'.
I can't see, why this forum should be more 'obscure' (if at all) than "Alternative Theories". Both forums are visible for all members when logged on.

According to our association statement we do not 'offer theory or point blame'. Therefore I hesitate to move this thread to a public part of the Forum like the Lobby.

But I have no problem toeing the party line, if the admin board feels differently.
Zap

Posted by: Devilsadvocate Sep 20 2007, 03:36 PM

QUOTE
We are embroiled in "spiritual warfare" on a global scale.


Hmhm... seems to me it's already started here... tongue.gif

The Vatican has dabbled in politics and power in the past, and it has done them a world of good.
At the beginning of the 16th. century, the then Pope divided the world into a Spanish and a Portugese half. The advent of Protestantism to him meant that he needed to do something to counteract the new developement.
The idea of dividing the power connected to that attempt to 'counteract' the spread of protestantism was to create a balance- neither Spain nor Portugal would become overbearing.
The death of the King of Portugal without an heir to the throne in 1581 upset the applecart: King Phillip of Spain was related indirectly to the Portugese King, and could lay claim to the Portugese throne.
It gave the rest of Europe the Heeby-Geebies.
Just to what extend can be measured by the fact that France- which was also a Catholic nation- backed the Portugese pretender to the throne, to the point were the French provided a fleet in his support. While Phillip's troops met no resistance in Portugal proper when they entered to claim Portugal for Phillip, that French fleet fought the Spaniards at the Azores. The French got practically wiped out.
Phillip later said (in a loose reference to Julius Caesar's "Veni, Vidi, Vici"- "I came, I saw, I won") :
"I inherited it, I bought it, I conquerred it".
If it gave the rest of Europe stomach-cramps, it should have given the Vatican stomach-cramps as well. The Pope was in serious danger of becoming a Spanish puppet. Ironically, it was the defeat of the Armada 1588, coupled with the Dutch uprising (the war of eighty years) and a general loos of Spanish prestige which saved the Pope's bacon back then.
Every once and then, the Vatican has tried to re-establish the lost status quo by backing some political power in the hope that the ride on the bandwagon might get them back in power. After Phillip, there were others- initially to counter Protestantism, then to counter Communism- from various Royals to Hitler and Franco. Their relationship with Hitler is a strange one; but the idea that the Church was against Hitler "...because they were persecuted" is a load of rubbish. Those who were persecuted were individuals- Priests and members of the Church who decided to take the teachings of Christ serious; but the actual institution 'Catholic Church' was not persecutet as such. Instead, the latter tried to muzzle anyone trying to speak out against the Nazis directly within the Church.
They kept betting at the horsetrack- but they always ended up undermining their authority ever so more by backing the wrong horse.
Communism- being atheist in nature- to them was an abomination; so- apart from backing people like Franco after the war, they got themselves new and powerful allies in the shape of the CIA. But they were not the ones initiating any of the shenanigans which began to happen when people like Licio Gelli got a foot in the door at the Freemason-lodge P2. They were merely willing tools.
By the time Cardinal Marcincus was accused of bank fraud, the Vatican-bank was practically bancrupt. The trade-union 'Solidarnosc' had cost an awful lot of money...
Having said that, they still derive a huge amount of income by way of- for example- the German 'Church tax':
Income-tax may be somewhere around 33% of a person's personal income; the Church-tax is calculated as about 8% of that income-tax. It amounts to billions every year. But- the same also goes for the Protestant Church, the Jewish and Muslim congregations aso.
The people who began to undermine institutions in the US from about the mid-1970's had nothing whatsoever to do with any particular faith- in fact, I don't think they believed in anything. They were simply a bunch of disgruntled CIA-operatives who took on a life of their own: Cheap third-rate criminals with access to a first rate security-apparatus...

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=6465

That article is still incomplete, and there is not yet enough hard evidence to back all the points I'm making there; but by and large, I think it's reliable.
Those people had names like Theodor Shackley and Barry Seal, Cline and Rodriguez. They were the ones who laid the groundwork, building on all kinds of flaws in the system which either already existed, or which had crept in during and after WWII.

Posted by: Zapzarap Sep 21 2007, 09:34 AM

QUOTE (jadenter @ Sep 20 2007, 07:04 PM)
Last year I spent a few days with Phil Jayhan (Pods and "Let's Roll" forum) when he was visiting Sofia Smallstorm, and he was the first person to propose the role of the Vatican and Black Pope in the crimes of 9/11 and as the global controllers (pyramind pinnacle). At the time, I thought he was out of his mind, because at that time, in my mind, it was the Neocons/Iraeli's/Zionists.

We are embroiled in "spiritual warfare" on a global scale.

Jadenter, I am just reading that again and I feel exactly like you felt in terms of Phil Jayhan.
With the only difference, that so far I haven't (yet) moved 1 inch from "Neocon/Zionist" towards "Vatican/Jesuits".

You also said:
QUOTE
The Vatican's control and secrecy is who John F. Kennedy warned the world about before his assassination.


...and in a PM to me you specified, that it was the speech he made April 27th, 1961 to the American Newspaper Publishers Association. I have posted a new thread in the Lobby with the audio and a transscript of JFK's speech. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9171

For me this speech is one of the most significant pieces of evidence for the existence of a shadow government. I have listened to that speech many times (sometimes in tears, I admit) and I've gone back and listened to it again considering your argument.

I'm sorry, but JFK does not mention the Vatican with one single word nor anything else, that could be interpreted that way IMHO.
(He obviousely did't mention the 'Neocons' either, as this term still had to be created long after 1961 wink.gif )

So can you give me a simple explanation, why you have replaced 'Zionists' by 'Jesuits' in your picture of the conspiracy?

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 21 2007, 02:43 PM

QUOTE (Zapzarap @ Sep 21 2007, 08:34 AM)
So can you give me a simple explanation, why you have replaced 'Zionists' by 'Jesuits' in your picture of the conspiracy?

I reallythink that it has to be taken into account here that the founders of the Jesuits were a group of Jewish intellectuals who belonged to the Alumbrados, i.e. the Spanish Illuminati. This is hugely significant.

Zionism and Jesuitism and Masonism and Illuminism and all the rest of the isms are all linked ismy honest opinion.

Posted by: jadenter Sep 21 2007, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (Zapzarap @ Sep 21 2007, 01:34 PM)
QUOTE (jadenter @ Sep 20 2007, 07:04 PM)

The Vatican's control and secrecy is who John F. Kennedy warned the world about before his assassination.


...and in a PM to me you specified, that it was the speech he made April 27th, 1961 to the American Newspaper Publishers Association. I have posted a new thread in the Lobby with the audio and a transscript of JFK's speech. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9171

For me this speech is one of the most significant pieces of evidence for the existence of a shadow government. I have listened to that speech many times (sometimes in tears, I admit) and I've gone back and listened to it again considering your argument.

I'm sorry, but JFK does not mention the Vatican with one single word nor anything else, that could be interpreted that way IMHO.
(He obviousely did't mention the 'Neocons' either, as this term still had to be created long after 1961 wink.gif )

So can you give me a simple explanation, why you have replaced 'Zionists' by 'Jesuits' in your picture of the conspiracy?


Peter,

I can not give you a simple explanation for why the Vatican/Jesuits are the controllers of the conspiracy replacing the Zionists from my perspective and my position in the rabbit hole, directly from the words in JFK's speech. But I think I can help you see what he was implying by discussing a few paragraphs.

First of all, JFK, clearly warns of a Secret Government in America (the actual sub-title of the You-Tube version you published in the Lobby). You correctly point out that he does not name the Vatican or the Jesuits or any other secret society as the source of that secret and sinister threat to America. In fact, JFK carefully never mentions or specifically names any entity within or outside America that he carefully describes throughout his speech. He was talking about a specific enemy that is global in scope and I'm certain it was not just his paranoid delusion.

He begins his description, "I want to talk about our common responsibilities in the face of a common danger. The events of recent weeks may have helped to illuminate that challenge for some; but the dimensions of its threat have loomed large on the horizon for many years. Whatever our hopes may be for the future--for reducing this threat or living with it--there is no escaping either the gravity or the totality of its challenge to our survival and to our security--a challenge that confronts us in unaccustomed ways in every sphere of human activity."

What were the events of recent weeks? The Bay of Pigs. The CIA operation to evade Cuba which failed partially because JFK refused to provide the air support for the invasion (and make no mistake that GHW Bush was involved in The Bay of Pigs up to his eye balls). In addition, you may also recall that JFK stated publicly that he intended to dismantle the CIA and scatter its remains to the four winds. So the CIA to JFK was a threat even though it was an American foreign intelligence aparatus created after WWII with former members of Nazi Germany's OSS through papers and visas provided for entry into the US by the Vatican.

Key members of the CIA in April 1961, like James J Angleton, John McCone, Reinhard Gehlen were all secret members of the Knights of Malta with loyalties to first the Jesuits, and then Cardinal Spellman in NYC, and then the Black Pope.

The last line quoted above he says, "a challenge that confronts us in unaccustomed ways in every sphere of human activity". Every sphere of human activity could not be a reference to Cuba, Castro, Communism, Russia, China, the Mafia, or just the CIA. But it could refer to the vast reaches of the Roman Catholic Church under Cardinal Spellman and his national network of bishops and priests through out America.

Further into his speech JFK says, "Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired."

What kind of an enemy could advance around the globe, attack our way of life, and the lives of our friends abroad, and yet never cross any borders with marching troops nor fire any missiles? The only enemy could be the political, military, religious zealots, sworn to secrecy, and cloaked in the religion of the Roman Catholic followers of the Vatican that was responsible for importing the Nazi OSS origins of the CIA to America in the first place.

The final quote from JFK's speech, " For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations."

That last quoted paragraph describes the Vatican. The Black Pope as the Jesuit General (a military man), Cardinal Spellman as the Popes Vicar in America, who commanded and controlled the Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, Freemasons as their covert members that had infiltrated all levels of our government by stealth and secrecy and Kennedy was well aware of this invasion.

I will leave it to you to re-listen to JFK's speech in the historical context of its following the disastrous CIA Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba and his animosity towards that agency filled with secret allegiances to the Vatican and the Black Pope.

In JFK's closing paragraph (from your typewritten transcript which goes beyond the recording) he refers to Francis Bacon, from the 17th Century and this reference is not by coincidence or mistake. This reference helps clarify the secret government in America. Francis Bacon was deeply embroiled in the magical mystery schools and the teachings of ancient Babylon, freemasonry, and was deeply involved in the creation of the "New Atlantis" across the Atlantic which became the United States of America in 1783.

Francis Bacon's role in America's foundation and creation and the role of Freemasonry is covered in full in the DVD by Pinto and Bay, called "Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings: The New Atlantis". It may reappear on Google Video but I can't priovide a link today, other than a trailer.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-53367971627736727&q=secret+mysteries+of+america%27s+beginnings&total=40&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Jeff.

Posted by: Zapzarap Sep 21 2007, 08:46 PM

Thx jadenter for elaborating
and FfG for your hint.

I'll be back after some research on Alumbrados, James J Angleton, John McCone, Reinhard Gehlen and the details behind the Bay of Pigs.


beginning to move an inch or two / Zap

Posted by: Factfinder General Sep 21 2007, 10:56 PM

jadenter wrote:

"In JFK's closing paragraph (from your typewritten transcript which goes beyond the recording) he refers to Francis Bacon, from the 17th Century and this reference is not by coincidence or mistake. This reference helps clarify the secret government in America. Francis Bacon was deeply embroiled in the magical mystery schools and the teachings of ancient Babylon, freemasonry, and was deeply involved in the creation of the "New Atlantis" across the Atlantic which became the United States of America in 1783.

Francis Bacon's role in America's foundation and creation and the role of Freemasonry is covered in full in the DVD by Pinto and Bay, called "Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings: The New Atlantis".
(END QUOTE)

Ah, Francis Bacon, I was wondering when he would crop up. A major player of the heady days of the Elizabethan age and one of the co-crafters of perhaps the most sophisticated "Media" propaganda tool ever created. It still wields its influence to this day, helping to push us along the pathway of the Rose and Cross.



In one of his major works, the Advancement and Proficiency of Learning, Bacon had this to say about the power that Theatre had to influence people's minds:

"Dramatic Poesy which has the theatre for its world, would be of excellent use if well directed. For the stage is capable of no small influence both of discipline and of corruption. .....in modern states play-acting is esteemed but as a toy, except when it is too satirical and biting, yet among the ancients it was used as a means of educating men's minds to virtue. It has been regarded by learned men and great philosophers as a kind of musician's bow by which mens minds may be played upon."

Now how did he realize this ambition to thus use the Dramatic Arts as a musician's bow to play upon the "minds of men"?

Well, a wise and subtle mind wrote this: ""All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances, and one man in his time plays many parts."

Bacon understood this quote only too well. This may be because, in truth, he was the author of it.

But, I hasten to add, jadenter, Bacon's allegiance was NOT to the Pope, Black or otherwise, and neither is the Jesuits. Bacon and Loyola answered to a Higher Authority. I am of the opinion that the Jesuits are not the Authority. I believe that they, like Bacon, are merely players, and answer as did this Royal Champion, to the ineffable presence of the Supreme Commander.

The Perpeteers will try and get you to believe that one or other of their organizations, Zionists, Jesuits, Freemasons, etc., is the Root of it all and thus stop you digging any further. I advise everyone to keep on digging. if you don't dig a weed out at the root, it will keep on growing!

Posted by: jadenter Sep 25 2007, 04:54 PM

QUOTE
Francis Bacon's role in America's foundation and creation and the role of Freemasonry is covered in full in the DVD by Pinto and Bay, called "Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings: The New Atlantis".


QUOTE
Ah, Francis Bacon, I was wondering when he would crop up. 



Bacon was not linked to the Vatican or the Jesuits, but you correctly point out his role as a Freemason and Rosicrucean. If you take the time to find and watch the DVD documentary referenced in my post you will discover how he impacted the formation of America and the founding fathers. His role in creating Shakespeare's plays is also discussed and is another unrelated conspiracy theory or controversy.

The fascinating part about Bacon is his relation to John Dee, whom is the role model for Merlin the Majician, Tolkien's Gandolph, and the wizard in the Harry Potter books. Dee signed his correspondence to Queen Elizabeth as 007 or James Bond.

The comments about Bacon do not distract from my thesis that the pyramid of control is occupied by the Vatican and the Papacy, with their desire for one world religion, one world temporal government, and their goal of ruling the world from Jerusalem (not Rome).

Refer to the research by Eric Phelps for in depth evidence and documentation of this thesis.

Jeff

Posted by: dMole Oct 2 2007, 12:58 PM

QUOTE (Zapzarap @ Sep 21 2007, 07:46 PM)
I'll be back after some research on Alumbrados, James J Angleton, John McCone, Reinhard Gehlen and the details behind the Bay of Pigs.

A very interesting but obscure resource on "Alumbrados" and hidden history:

http://www.steamshovelpress.com/offlineillumination10.html

You might want to research Operation Paperclip, Op. Mockingbird/Mighty Wurlitzer, COINTELPRO, and read Virtual Government by Alex Constantine if you're really headed that direction.

The deeper you dig, the stranger it gets,
d

Posted by: jadenter Oct 7 2007, 08:23 PM

Rob Balsomo posted Gambino's Sysmanski interview below in Latest News concerning The Vatican and Jesuits involvement with the government and mafia in JFK's assassination,
Hoffa, and 9/11. Perhaps his Latest News thread should be moved down here to Religion.

The witness in this story is the head of the mafia Gambino family. He may be biased and have a different slant on world events than some of us. But it would be hard to argue his sources were not credible since he was involved.

Jeff

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9474

Posted by: jadenter Dec 15 2007, 05:03 PM

1) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7978718758076053201&q=vatican+assassins&total=99&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

2) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9006631918236602056&q=vatican+assassins&total=99&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

3) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3300620210554455746&q=vatican+assassins&total=99&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Four hours of Eric Jon Phelps in this Google Video series above for your consideration and edification.

The 9/11 crime, Patriot Acts, Lincoln, JFK, RFK, WW I, WW II, Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf Wars, Iraq, Afghanistan Wars and much more are attributed to the Jesuit General, Black Pope, and the Vatican.

Just bring your popcorn and view and decide for yourselves whether this view of our times and history is credible. Phelps offers a much bigger picture on a wide screen canvas over time than offered by just focusing on 9/11 truth.

Parachutes and minds both work much better when they are "open"!

Jeff

Posted by: Sanders Jan 14 2008, 01:05 PM

Frikken h@ll. Jesuits control everything? Nutz, I say. What's that word that means you only can look in one focused direction and ignore everything else that contradicts your own pre-drawn conclusions? Is there such a word? There should be.

The Jesuits are connected with the Rosicrucians. If you buy the official Rosicrucian story of their own roots, then they sprang from the Jesuits. But that's a pile of potatoes. The full story is much more complicated, and the Jesuits only represent one small facet of a MUCH larger picture.

I have been delving into this subject at great length - I have posted extensively about it over at Ocean Flow's forum. ( I think you have to be a member to view it.) Here's the link:
http://oceansflow.aceboard.com/304335-5312-1132-0-behind-curtain-trail-serpent.htm

Posted by: amazed! Jan 26 2008, 05:18 PM

How much is myth and how much is truth? I sure don't know. blink.gif

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