Bomb At Government Headquarters/oslo, Norway Options

[Devilsadvocate]

Frimurer Anders Behring, eh?

I wonder if he ever heard of Licio Gelli... Or 'Propaganda-due' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

(Edit:) According to that website, he's registered as 'Daglig Leder'. The online Babylon-tool translates that as 'General Manager'.

(Edit 2:) Oops- I overlooked that bit in your post... It's half past-four in the morning here...

This post has been edited by Devilsadvocate: Jul 22 2011, 10:38 PM

[Devilsadvocate]

At Least 80 Are Dead in Norway Shooting

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html

"..........................!"

[albertchampion]

even more interesting, if you were tuning into the bbc today, everyone interviewed asserted that this was an attack of islamic jihadis.

there was the pre-packaged script.

one woman who claimed to have been in nyc on 11/09/01 asserted that muslims had to be deported from norway, and that more stringent border control inspections needed to be imposed.

oh, as i recall, she said that she was a jewess and could not understand why it was that more stringent[papers, bitte] travel controls had not been implemented.

[GroundPounder]

ah yes, the lone gunman/bomber.... we don't even need motive, means and opportunity anymore.

[DoYouEverWonder]

National police chief Sveinung Sponheim told NRK that the suspected gunman's Internet postings "suggest that he has some political traits directed toward the right, and anti-Muslim views, but whether that was a motivation for the actual act remains to be seen."

Andersen said the suspect posted on websites with Christian fundamentalist tendencies. He did not describe the websites in any more details.

A police official said the suspect appears to have acted alone in both attacks, and that "it seems like this is not linked to any international terrorist organizations at all." The official spoke on condition of anonymity because that information had not been officially released by Norway's police.

"It seems it's not Islamic-terror related," the official said. "This seems like a madman's work."

The Independent

Can their racism be any more blatant?

The guy is a CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST. He's a member of a RADICAL RIGHT WING GROUP. WHITE RELIGIOUS RADICALS have been behind almost every 'terror' attack. Yet the media continues to automatically blame Muslims. Since they obviously continue to do this on purpose, they should be charged with hate crimes.

[onesliceshort]

even more interesting, if you were tuning into the bbc today, everyone interviewed asserted that this was an attack of islamic jihadis.

MSM was floating the idea that he was a "westerner converted to Islam"... and went on to talk about al ciada
and Timothy McVeigh.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...e-coverage.html

10.48 Reports on Twitter are raising the possibility that there were two gunmen on the island.

11.43 Police are now investigating the possibility that there was a second gunman after eyewitnesses report seeing another man shooting on the island, who was not wearing a police uniform

Throw Colombine into the mix too..

Edit added:

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=130515

The shooting survivors quoted by the VG paper, however, are convinced that there was a second shooter on the island. They claim that they saw another man shooting at them who was not wearing a police uniform, and that they heard firing from two sides. Their accounts remain unconfirmed.

Still trying to find the source.

This post has been edited by onesliceshort: Jul 23 2011, 10:18 AM

[onesliceshort]

Still trying to find the source

Found it. Names to the claims:

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobom...?artid=10080627

Google translation:

After a while, the two fishermen who cried out to young people that the perpetrator had been taken. Several of the youths who were on Utøya the shooting drama, told VG that they are convinced that there must have been more than one perpetrator. It also believes Marius Helander Roset. - I am sure that it was shot from two different places on the island at the same time, he said. Witnesses: - Must be two people police believe Anders Behring Breivik (32) is the perpetrator who was dressed as a policeman , and have charged him for two terrorist attacks. Young VG has spoken to describe also another culprit - who was not wearing a police uniform. Do you have information on the matter? ... The person was following them around 180 centimeters tall, had thick dark hair and the Nordic out. He had a pistol in his right hand and a rifle on his back. - I believe that there were two people who shot, says Alexander Stavdal (23).

[onesliceshort]

Watch out for the "internet psycho" tag a la Jared Lee Loughner (another double barrel)

Here are some of his alleged posts from last year (again, take with a large pinch of salt):

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/tra...I_dZfb31RI7hSUg

Islam (ism) has historically led to 300 million deaths
Communism has historically led to 100 million deaths
Nazism has historically led to 6-20 million deaths

ALL hate ideologies should be treated equally.

I myself am a Protestant and baptized / confirmed to me by my own free will when I was 15

But today's Protestant church is a joke. Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like the minimalist shopping centers. I am a supporter of an indirect collective conversion of the Protestant church back to the Catholic. In the meantime, I vote for the most conservative candidates in church elections.

The only thing that can save the Protestant church is to go back to basics.

This post has been edited by onesliceshort: Jul 23 2011, 10:57 AM

[Devilsadvocate]

If more than eighty people were killed on that island, it would be more than likely that there was more than one shooter.
I would also suggest that it would be a wee bit difficult for a civilian to receive training in the use of explosives or automatic weapons- even if he was a member of a gun-club; I would seriously doubt that there is any country in Europe which would allow for the legal possession of weapons like those.

Either he was a member of the armed forces at some stage, or he received training from elsewhere.

As for the media-- why am I not one bit surprised...? That "Sun"--headline is priceless...

But it seems as if the magic word doesn't work anymore the way it used to... There was a time when they just had to mention it:

"A-L-Q-A-E-D-A"--- and everyone would jump.

Well, no one's jumping now...

Interesting to note, perhaps: When the Norwegian Prime Minister spoke last night
("No one will bomb us to silence. No one will shoot us to silence. No one will ever scare us away from being Norway"), the Justice-Minister announced that the suspect was Norwegian just two minutes later.

[onesliceshort]

If more than eighty people were killed on that island, it would be more than likely that there was more than one shooter.

100% DA. Military precision.

And the alleged bomb on the island? He would have had to be carrying quite an arsenal. It's not like the movies where one or two shots are going to kill a person. I know there were a lot of casualties (poor kids) stranded on the shore or swimming in the water, but 80+???

I know it's speculation at this point (I'm sure this will be corroborated), but if this "second gunman" witness testimony is confirmed (the "dark hair" statement stood out to me most), it's gonna raise serious questions. Specifically, how did he get off the island? Hardly by boat.

[Devilsadvocate]

He was apparently a member of a gun-club; but it's inconceivable that he would have received training with automatic weapons there.
He also was able to handle explosives.

Norwegians are subject to conscription; but even so- if he was a soldier at one stage, he can't have had legal access to automatic weapons and ammunition after his service ended-- so he can't have had any (legal) chance to practise with a weapon like that. He may simply have emptied one or two magazines and then dropped that weapon.

He apparently called people over and then shot them-- shooting them a second time to make sure they were dead. That takes a lot of time, and it would have allowed a lot of people to escape.

He then started shooting at people in the water; police are still searching for more victims.

I think all of that would point very much to a second shooter...Considering the sheer number of those killed.
The witnesses stated that they saw a second man who had dark hair-- but Norwegian-looking.

If there was a second man, he may have simply swum across together with the escaped youngsters.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/wo...ot-2829608.html

[albertchampion]

clearly the work of al fresco

http://news.yahoo.com/police-singer-amy-wi...-165343714.html

[Devilsadvocate]

Norway attacks: Utøya gunman boasted of links to UK far right

Anders Brehing Breivik took part in online discussions with members of the EDL and other anti-Islamic groups

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/2...ks-utoya-gunman

[GroundPounder]

i like nimmo's take on it:

http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=23709

[onesliceshort]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/2...ks-utoya-gunman

http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamoph...tion-flops.html

I've been trying to sift through the timeline of events.

1430pm: A loud explosion shatters windows and leads to evacuations of office buildings near the government headquarters in Oslo city centre. The buildings include the office of prime minister Jens Stoltenberg, who is soon confirmed to be safe, as he was working at home.

1745: Police say they are sending anti-terror police to a youth camp on an island outside Oslo after reports of a shooting there. The news site VG reports that a man dressed in a police uniform has opened fire at the camp at Utoya, and several people are injured.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/...s-live-coverage

This source claims that the reports of the shooting were coming through 20 minutes earlier:

5.25pm Reports begin to emerge of an incident at a youth camp outside Oslo organised by the ruling Norwegian Labour Party. Local journalists report that a gunman dressed as a policeman has opened fire on delegates gathered on the island of Utoya, right. Mr Stoltenberg who was due to address the meeting today describes the unfolding situation as "critical".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/...s-live-coverage

Police official Johan Fredriksen said a SWAT team was put on standby after a bombing in Oslo.

He added that it took the team around 30 minutes to arrive at the island of Utøyo after the shooting began.

"It was about 5pm. We had heard about the bomb in Oslo and had been gathering to discuss it, because of course some people had families in Oslo and were worried," said Adrian Pracon, one of the camp organisers. "This man came along and said he was from the police and told us he would help us and make sure that everyone was okay but that man, dressed as a policeman, was the shooter."

Utoya Island survivor

Okay, give or take 15 minutes for the confusion, but where are they getting the "90 minutes" from here?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/...verage#block-51

Norwegian police have confirmed the explosion in Oslo was a car bomb. There are also undetonated explosives around government buildings in Oslo.

The police also admitted that they arrived at the scene of the massacre on Utøya island 45 minutes after receiving a call for assistance from the local police force. The shooting on the island lasted almost 90 minutes. There are still four or five missing people.

This guy was said to be "calm" and even allegedly had the machine gun on single shot to pick out his targets and give a "coup de grace".

The first reports were allegedly at 5:25pm to newsrooms so some of the poor kids must have got phone messages out shortly after this started. Even with the admitted 45 minute response time, there are still 30 minutes unaccounted for.

I just hope the cops aren't trying to cover their asses at this early stage.

This post has been edited by onesliceshort: Jul 23 2011, 05:30 PM

[onesliceshort]

i like nimmo's take on it:

http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=23709

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

A must read..

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...va&aid=9556

[Devilsadvocate]

Some years ago (...and don't ask me when-- I got a memory like an elephant, but it's not THAT good...), the police in Austria raided a country-estate near Vienna.
The place had been used by a so-called 'Wehrsport-gruppe' (literally translates into 'defensive sport-group'; a term used by Neo-Nazis to describe their own activities...)
They confiscated tons of weapons and ammunition (including an HS-30 armoured personell carrier), as well as thousands of documents.

Not long after, the police officer in charge of the investigation gave a press-conference, during which he explained that some of the documents showed that Neo-Nazi groups throughout Europe were linked and that they co-ordinated their activities.
He added that the documents also indicated that these groups were controlled "...from the outside", as he put it.

The Austrian chief of police very quickly contradicted those findings, saying that there was absolutely no indication at all that these groups were either connected to each other, or that they were "controlled from the outside" in any way.

Bologna was almost certainly a Gladio-operation.
That entire story about Gladio and the Freemasonry-lodge P-2 ("Propaganda-Due") came out when several politicians (and as far as I remember, the first was Bülent Ecevit of Turkey, followed by Andreotti in Italy) gave press conferences during which they presented documents proving the existence of these groups.

The hoo-ha lasted only a few days before a lid was put on it again; but it turned out that these groups existed in practically each and every European country-- even those who had nothing to do with NATO.

One Italian politician back then stated that "...only one or two people in each government had even known about the existence of the network", and went on to declare that the whole thing was dissolved in the 1970's.

Which left me wondering...

How do you fire people like that-- if you happen to be the only person who even knows that they exist...?

"...Oh, and by the way-- you should start looking for another job; you're fired..."

"We are? By whom? You? And-- whose Army...???"

In the late 90's, it turned out they still existed. Something like that can not be 'dissolved'...

They infiltrated extremist organisations like the 'Brigati Rossi' on the left spectrum, or Neonazi-organisations on the other end.

The masonic lodge P-2 was responsible for the financial side of things; Licio Gelli was known in Italy as 'The Puppet-Master'.
A lot emerged in the aftermath of the collapse of the 'Banco Ambrosiano'; the managing director Roberto Calvi had used his bank's funds to finance Gladio (which was the military wing). He then made the mistake to try and fill in the holes in his books by handling money from the Mafia-- and promptly misappropriated that money as well...
He was found hanging underneath London's Blackfriar bridge, with a brick in his pocket; the initial verdict was 'suicide'. But he had been starngled before 'hanging himself'...
His family had not believed the official story- because he had a brick in his pocket: A symbol of freemasonry. They argued that most London police-officers were freemasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

There are some interesting parallels:
Breivik is a Freemason, with links to extreme rightwing groups-- including British ones.
Most Masonic lodges are just that: Masonic lodges.
But by their very nature of being secret societies, they are an ideal vehicle for organisations like 'Gladio'- which had infiltrated extremist groups on both the right and left wing.

Strange that the Norwegian police should have been unaware that any rightwing groups existed in Norway who had the capacity to organise something like this unbelievable show yesterday...?

Edit:
Take a look at who heads Licio Gelli's list in the P-2 article...

This post has been edited by Devilsadvocate: Jul 23 2011, 07:45 PM

[albertchampion]

since you introduced GLADIO....

a story that went virtually undiscussed in those journals of this land of the press protected by constitutional and bill of rights provisos, it was discussed in some detail in the european press[particularly the observer when owned by robert anderson of ARCO renown and the TIMES OF LONDON].

in my opinion, the definitive study on GLADIO was daniele ganser's book NATO'S SECRET ARMIES: OPERATION GLADIO AND TERRORISM IN WESTERN EUROPE. isbn # 0714656070.

during all those years of terrorism[sic], when i was traveling extensively in europe, it was quite clear that these "terrorists" were agents provocateurs. from the brigada rossa, to the baader-meinhof gang, to the ira.

i have to run to through some quails on the barbie, but when anyone advances the notion that this anfo bombing bore any resemblance to okbomb, observe the differences in the damage. okbomb had nothing to do with anfo.

and never forget the man in the iron mask, jose padilla.

[Devilsadvocate]

in my opinion, the definitive study on GLADIO was daniele ganser's book NATO'S SECRET ARMIES: OPERATION GLADIO AND TERRORISM IN WESTERN EUROPE. isbn # 0714656070.

Definite study certainly sums it up.

jo56 posted it here in 2007:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...9&hl=gladio

[onesliceshort]

Definite study certainly sums it up.

jo56 posted it here in 2007:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...9&hl=gladio

Aaah good man DA.
I was looking for that but didn't fancy downloading "blind".

Looking forward to reading it.