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9/11 Truth Truth, Assessment of 9/11 truth movement

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post Aug 4 2010, 11:26 AM
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9/11 Truth Truth

Joel S. Hirschhorn

Months, years and then decades slip by. Despite an avalanche of information burying me everyday I had not read or heard anything about 9/11 truth for many, many months. Sometimes movements become so marginalized that they no longer have enough vitality to stay within the consciousness of very many people.

I am sure, of course, that there are 9/11 truthers out there that still give and attend talks, write and receive emails and have lively conversations about the insanity of the official government story about 9/11 surviving and various alternative explanations of what really happened. Yet, in not too many weeks, another 9/11 anniversary will be here. And maybe then I will be hit again with chatter about what really happened on that past fateful and awful day. But today it is this writing by me that is my 9/11 truth: Hardly any Americans are concerned about 9/11 truth and there is no real interest in Congress in launching a new investigation.

So I went to a few 9/11 websites of groups that I am affiliated with; they were still there. And then I did a Google news search for 9/11 truth. Here is what I gleaned.

The first news item was something that the head of WikiLeaks.org, that was very much in the news lately because it was distributing a huge amount of materials on the war in Afghanistan, had said about the 9/11 truth movement: "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." This did not surprise me, even though, personally, I still believe that the US government conspired to keep the full truth about 9/11 hidden from the public.

But then I quickly came across a story in a local New Hampshire newspaper about a recent 9/11 truth group participation in a local event, and that heartened me that the diehard truthers were still marching proudly. Indeed, this was noted: ďWe would like to extend our warmest thanks to [the former Keene Mayor, State Representative, and one of our World War II veterans] for bravely standing tall and marching with our group. Your presence commands respect and it was indeed an honor to have you all join us. We sincerely appreciate your willingness to show support for our efforts to publicize the need for a new 9/11 investigation.Ē

And I was heartened to learn that the fourth of July parade in Takoma Park, MD where I once lived had a float for the 9/11 Truth Now group in it.

Back to the WikiLeaks situation; this website has rightfully received incredible worldwide attention by the mainstream media for its ability to obtain and publicize key documents shedding light where the government and corporations donít want it. For 9/11 truthers here is something that merits very serious thought. If we are correct, then a fairly large number of people had a hand, probably as part of a black ops action, designing and executing many things, not the least of which was the controlled demolition of the three World Trade Center buildings. So why have none of these people leaked materials to a place like WikiLeaks? Could they all have been so bought off or threatened to stay quiet? Perhaps. But I must admit I find the lack of leakers troubling.

Of course, if the government had pursued prosecution of the many government workers that did nothing to prevent the 9/11 actions for, say, criminally negligent homicide, then perhaps some would have cut deals and blown the whistle. But as far as I can remember no civilian or military personnel were nailed for failure to detect and prevent the terrorism.

Donít get me wrong. I am not saying that just because no 9/11 whistleblowers have come forward with compelling evidence that the official story is believable. Not at all. What the 9/11 truth movement needs, however, is a steady focus on the considerable evidence that undermines the official story, rather than on evidence supporting various alternative theories of what happened.

In this regard, the website of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth http://ae911truth.org/ remains as one of the best sources of serious, trustworthy information. The group has an event on September 9 this year in Washington, DC and also visits to various members of Congress to lobby for a new investigation. But if they do not offer draft legislation it will be a waste of time.

My other favorite website is Alan Millerís wonderful Patriots Question 9/11 http://patriotsquestion911.com/, where so many credible people have openly questioned the official story, more than enough to convince the most skeptical people to support a new investigation. Thirdly, I urge people to use the Scholars for 9/11 Truth website http://911scholars.org/ because it also offers useful, reliable information.

Also impressive is the continued work of the NYCCAN group at http://www.nyccan.org/index.php. They have asked the Manhattan District Attorney to investigate the collapse of WTC 7. Recently, they had 400 supporters mail or fax the DA the attached letter, which focuses on the destruction of evidence at the WTC site. The group thinks this is the most likely route the DA would take to opening any kind of investigation into 9/11.

Yes, the movement is still alive. But when will it succeed in getting a new credible and comprehensive government investigation? That is the issue.

When people in the public spotlight do not support the truth movement, as the head of WikiLeaks has done, it is a sign that success remains elusive. One truther exception was Daniel Sunjata, a lead actor from the popular FX television show "Rescue Me." The coming anniversary of 9/11 will most likely show that we still lack a critical mass of public demand for a new government investigation. One glimmer of hope might be the wide scale rejection of incumbents in Congress. Do candidates for Congress support a new investigation? The truth movement should get their act together and spread the word that truthers should only vote for candidates supporting a new investigation.

[Contact Joel S. Hirschhorn through delusionaldemocracy.com.]
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post Aug 5 2010, 12:46 AM
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Back to the WikiLeaks situation; this website has rightfully received incredible worldwide attention by the mainstream media for its ability to obtain and publicize key documents shedding light where the government and corporations donít want it. For 9/11 truthers here is something that merits very serious thought. If we are correct, then a fairly large number of people had a hand, probably as part of a black ops action, designing and executing many things, not the least of which was the controlled demolition of the three World Trade Center buildings. So why have none of these people leaked materials to a place like WikiLeaks? Could they all have been so bought off or threatened to stay quiet? Perhaps. But I must admit I find the lack of leakers troubling.

Or you can look at it another way - the fact that certain information is not coming through WikiLeaks is a clue as to the overall purpose of WikiLeaks? It is the establishment way of revealing things to us that they pretend they don't want us to know and we already know well without WikiLeaks.
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I'm suspicious - more than suspicious - about WikiLeaks. There's nothing really damming in their leaks except an obvious attempt to demonize Pakistan. Robert Gates and pals appear on TV practically begging people who've never heard of the site to read it. Then a BS story is circulated that the govt. wants Julian Assange assassinated! Really?

Additionally, Wiki's 911 material is a crock. Forget WikiLeaks. Another disinfo disseminator.
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QUOTE (statusquobuster @ Aug 4 2010, 10:26 AM) *
9/11 Truth Truth

Joel S. Hirschhorn

Months, years and then decades slip by. Despite an avalanche of information burying me everyday I had not read or heard anything about 9/11 truth for many, many months. Sometimes movements become so marginalized that they no longer have enough vitality to stay within the consciousness of very many people.

I am sure, of course, that there are 9/11 truthers out there that still give and attend talks, write and receive emails and have lively conversations about the insanity of the official government story about 9/11 surviving and various alternative explanations of what really happened. Yet, in not too many weeks, another 9/11 anniversary will be here. And maybe then I will be hit again with chatter about what really happened on that past fateful and awful day. But today it is this writing by me that is my 9/11 truth: Hardly any Americans are concerned about 9/11 truth and there is no real interest in Congress in launching a new investigation.

So I went to a few 9/11 websites of groups that I am affiliated with; they were still there. And then I did a Google news search for 9/11 truth. Here is what I gleaned.

The first news item was something that the head of WikiLeaks.org, that was very much in the news lately because it was distributing a huge amount of materials on the war in Afghanistan, had said about the 9/11 truth movement: "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." This did not surprise me, even though, personally, I still believe that the US government conspired to keep the full truth about 9/11 hidden from the public.

But then I quickly came across a story in a local New Hampshire newspaper about a recent 9/11 truth group participation in a local event, and that heartened me that the diehard truthers were still marching proudly. Indeed, this was noted: ďWe would like to extend our warmest thanks to [the former Keene Mayor, State Representative, and one of our World War II veterans] for bravely standing tall and marching with our group. Your presence commands respect and it was indeed an honor to have you all join us. We sincerely appreciate your willingness to show support for our efforts to publicize the need for a new 9/11 investigation.Ē

And I was heartened to learn that the fourth of July parade in Takoma Park, MD where I once lived had a float for the 9/11 Truth Now group in it.

Back to the WikiLeaks situation; this website has rightfully received incredible worldwide attention by the mainstream media for its ability to obtain and publicize key documents shedding light where the government and corporations donít want it. For 9/11 truthers here is something that merits very serious thought. If we are correct, then a fairly large number of people had a hand, probably as part of a black ops action, designing and executing many things, not the least of which was the controlled demolition of the three World Trade Center buildings. So why have none of these people leaked materials to a place like WikiLeaks? Could they all have been so bought off or threatened to stay quiet? Perhaps. But I must admit I find the lack of leakers troubling.

Of course, if the government had pursued prosecution of the many government workers that did nothing to prevent the 9/11 actions for, say, criminally negligent homicide, then perhaps some would have cut deals and blown the whistle. But as far as I can remember no civilian or military personnel were nailed for failure to detect and prevent the terrorism.

Donít get me wrong. I am not saying that just because no 9/11 whistleblowers have come forward with compelling evidence that the official story is believable. Not at all. What the 9/11 truth movement needs, however, is a steady focus on the considerable evidence that undermines the official story, rather than on evidence supporting various alternative theories of what happened.

In this regard, the website of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth http://ae911truth.org/ remains as one of the best sources of serious, trustworthy information. The group has an event on September 9 this year in Washington, DC and also visits to various members of Congress to lobby for a new investigation. But if they do not offer draft legislation it will be a waste of time.

My other favorite website is Alan Millerís wonderful Patriots Question 9/11 http://patriotsquestion911.com/, where so many credible people have openly questioned the official story, more than enough to convince the most skeptical people to support a new investigation. Thirdly, I urge people to use the Scholars for 9/11 Truth website http://911scholars.org/ because it also offers useful, reliable information.

Also impressive is the continued work of the NYCCAN group at http://www.nyccan.org/index.php. They have asked the Manhattan District Attorney to investigate the collapse of WTC 7. Recently, they had 400 supporters mail or fax the DA the attached letter, which focuses on the destruction of evidence at the WTC site. The group thinks this is the most likely route the DA would take to opening any kind of investigation into 9/11.

Yes, the movement is still alive. But when will it succeed in getting a new credible and comprehensive government investigation? That is the issue.

When people in the public spotlight do not support the truth movement, as the head of WikiLeaks has done, it is a sign that success remains elusive. One truther exception was Daniel Sunjata, a lead actor from the popular FX television show "Rescue Me." The coming anniversary of 9/11 will most likely show that we still lack a critical mass of public demand for a new government investigation. One glimmer of hope might be the wide scale rejection of incumbents in Congress. Do candidates for Congress support a new investigation? The truth movement should get their act together and spread the word that truthers should only vote for candidates supporting a new investigation.

[Contact Joel S. Hirschhorn through delusionaldemocracy.com.]
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post Aug 8 2010, 12:57 AM
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I am involved some with North Texans For 911 Truth. There are some very dedicated individuals that personally at their own expense have distributed thousands of flyers, AE911 postcards, and various DVD's. Virtually all are average Joes that coem to the meetings. There are higher profile people like the ones listed at patriotsquestion911, but it is disturbing that here at least I have seen no one like prominent leaders, either business, church, civic, government, attend or help. I have personlly sent information to 15 local pastors, when Lt Col Bob Bowman was in town for a 911 symposium. I did not hear from one expressing interest, concern or curiosity. I do not know if any attended. No prominent local leaders attended that I could recognize. The spreading of the word is alive and well here though. it disturbs me thoughthat I do not see more of people with more means and prominence, but I expect that to change.

As far as a new investigation, I personally do not believe the group that has hijcaked our govt-which seems to be most of them are capable of an honest investigation. I vote for an independent yet official rebuttle and challenge to the 9/11 Commission Report; a combination of evidences by AE911truth, Pilots, (all the best websites and credentialed proffesionals signing on) publish it, make it easy to understand (DVD's included) make it widely available to all Americans and the world. Of course this exits seperately. Package it like the official one with a catchy title.

Most in the movement here have small funds, and yet I know persons of ample means who are content to enjoy their moneys while they can and not take aserious look at 9/11. where are the patriot millionaires?

..my computers been out of wack, but up again, good to be back on the site. Best to all.
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9/11 Truth is just one of the very few exits out of Platos' cave.
All of history has "his" spin to it.
Actually it's "hi"story,
...Perhaps that's where the term "tall tails" comes from.

i remember watching on tv, long ago,
the firing of batteries of Patriot missiles,
in an attempt to stop scud rockets from coming in.
The live announcer said something like "perfect launch, you can see all the Patriot missiles going straight to the target." When one of them clearly misfired and flew up and down into the ground.
It occurred to me that we so often ignore,
what we see with our own eyes,
over what we hear with our ears.
So whatever actually happens,
can be made out to be anything the words describe at the time.
Even if we don't see it in the picture on the tv.
We believe the announcer, instead of our eyes.
The script read, is history written, from the agenda.
And it is through those words that all of modern civilization is controlled.

...but that technique wont work anymore,
as everyone is texting. LOL

i wonder what happens when everybody, (that still can) wakes up,
and realizes that they have been lied to, by authorities, their entire lives,
about even much, much, more, than just 9/11.

We are going through, right now, the biggest changes ever foisted upon a civilization,
and this time, it is world wide.

watch for the signs,
there are always indicators, before every event,
if one can recognize them in time.

for instance, why would
http://www.ki4u.com/
be blocked, in certain parts of the world?

From George Ure site:

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm

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