Can The Oakland Highway Collapse Shed Light On Wtc, MERGED THREADS Options

[shoon]

Does anybody talk about this?
California highway interchange collapses after tanker catches fire

Driver of highway collapse truck has a checkered past

Now we know gasoline can make steel structured bridge collapsed. Of course kerosene can make huge skyscrapers collapsed, too.

[painter]

Yeah, I know about it. I live about a half-mile from where it happened. Calling this freeway a "steel structure" is ridiculous. See:

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/0...rousfreeway.htm

<s> Debunkers have again betrayed their desperation by citing the partial collapse of a freeway bridge in San Francisco to claim that the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers and Building 7 has been discredited. In reality, the comparison is ludicrous and wildly inaccurate.

Nationally syndicated radio host Neil Boortz and other Neo-Con talking heads immediately seized on the bridge collapse in unison as part of a coordinated attack on the 9/11 Truth Movement.

Even mainstream science and technology websites jumped on the bandwagon, "When the I-580 overpass buckled, it brought back memories of the World Trade Center," reported Wired News.

Such bold assertions were notably absent when the 32-story Windsor Building in Madrid was gutted by intense fires for 28 hours but did not collapse in February 2005. <s>

(IMG:http://prisonplanet.com/images/may2007/010507freeway.jpg)

[series_of_tubes]

In Oakland, a fuel tanker carrying 8,600 gallons of fuel crashed into a guardrail, exploding into a huge fire that melted the steel of a highway overpass that eventually collapsed. We know the planes that hit the WTC, flights 11 and 175, were carrying approximately 10,000 gallons of fuel, only 1,400 gallons more.

(edit: The steel didn't melt, I was quoting the SF Gate article. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif) )

Maybe we can learn something here by using the Oakland incident as an example. Both incidents are comparable to some degree because of the similarity in the amounts of fuel involved, and the fact that both deal with steel structures. Obviously there is a great structural difference between the WTC and a freeway overpass. Also, in the case of the WTC, the majority (or at least half) of the fuel appeared to burn up instantly outside the steel structure in the atmosphere.

What do you all think?

Here are some resources.

SF Gate Report

SF Gate Photos

NWZCHIK Report (with video)

Raw video from CBS

This post has been edited by series_of_tubes: May 1 2007, 02:45 PM

[Beached]

Debunkers have again betrayed their desperation by citing the partial collapse of a freeway bridge in San Francisco to claim that the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers and Building 7 has been discredited. In reality, the comparison is ludicrous and wildly inaccurate.

What a stupid oranges to apples comparison! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[painter]

This is already being discussed in this thread:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...wtopic=6582&hl=


Edit to add: The structure was not made of steel. It may have had some steel components but primarily it was rebar and concrete. I'm also quite certain that the steel did not "melt" -- that is ridiculous on its face. That the structure and rebar was weakened by the explosion and subsequent fire to the point of structural failure is obviously true. But "melted"?? Not possible.

[series_of_tubes]

The highway is indeed made up of steel. I would say at least 50% steel by the photos I took. It appears the steel bolts holding the sections of highway together weakened and caused it to collapse. I could only get one angle, so I can't tell for sure.

[shoon]

At least, it is not pulverized. However I thought the drive is very interesting. Not so much injury, criminal background, early morning on Sunday. So no explosives involved this time, I hope. I hear conspiracy theories for even shooting at the college these days.

[series_of_tubes]

Steel was holding that highway together. The entire undercarriage is steel which holds a layer of concrete. The asphalt sits on top of the concrete. I bet, just like the PPlanet article describes, the bolts weakened from the fire and gravity brought the structure down.

I do find it interesting that the force and fire managed to twist the main steel support:

(IMG:http://cdn.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse_201.jpg)

And the steel in these two photos did crunch:

(IMG:http://cdn.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/mn_highway_collapse_caoak101.jpg)
(IMG:http://cdn.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/mn_highway_collapse_cabm101.jpg)

But keep in mind this steel is no where near as thick as what was used in the WTC.

This post has been edited by series_of_tubes: May 1 2007, 02:43 PM

[Cary]

Series of Tubes, please read the article posted by Painter on the other thread.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/0...rousfreeway.htm

Debunkers Use Ludicrous Freeway Comparison To Attack 9/11 Truth

Professor Steven Jones, a Ph.D. physicist and cold fusion expert, joined Alex Jones on the air yesterday to talk about the monumental differences between the two collapses.

Jones said that the notion that steel supporting columns completely melted from fire is impossible and that what actually happened was that thin supporting bolts were warped, resulting in the collapse of the bridge section. In comparison, the south tower of the World Trade Center imploded at almost free fall speed, proving that even if the "truss failure" theory was accurate, the building would not have collapsed in 10 seconds with no resistance and would not have aerosolized, turning concrete support pillars into dust.

If the building had pancaked, the collapse would have taken around 40 seconds according to recent studies undertaken by Steven Jones' colleagues, almost four times longer than what was witnessed. In addition, the "pancake" collapse of the freeway did not even manage to collapse the section of road below it, whereas the collapse of the south tower pulverized over 10 floors a second.

The freeway section was made of highly flammable asphalt and took the brunt of a gigantic gasoline explosion with open air fires shooting 200 feet in the air. In comparison, the twin towers were impacted by aluminum planes filled with significantly less flammable kerosene and suffered limited fires that were oxygen-starved and almost out before the collapses occurred.

Building 7 was not hit by anything save a small amount of debris from the towers and suffered limited fires across just eight floors. In addition, explosions were being reported by occupants within WTC 7 before the towers had even collapsed.

The columns supporting the freeway were not pulverized into dust as in the case of the towers, but are clearly still standing as can be seen in all the photographs.

Here's the audio of Steven Jones on Alex Jones' show from yesterday.

http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/300407jones.mp3

[series_of_tubes]

@ Cary

Yes, I did and I agree with the post. I am simply clarifying that the highway was indeed made of steel. Lots of it. Not just rebar and concrete as Painter describes.

This post has been edited by series_of_tubes: May 1 2007, 02:46 PM

[shoon]

Thank you for the pictures.
This bridge does not seem to be strong enough for earthquake. Did you have any strong earthquake before, painter?

I wonder this bridge had a reason to go like WTC did.

[Cary]

Hi shoon, where have you been, dude. Good to see you. Konichiwa (hope that's the correct spelling)

[shoon]

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif) Hi, Cary! I have been busy and fighting at Japanese version Wikipedia about 9/11.
They did not even have "9/11 conspiracy theory" so that I established it. I realized there are so many stupid Japanese who do not understand the facts. I have to apologize to American who does not understand the facts. Being an American or a Christian was not issue. Sorry!

Now I do not have high-speed Internet access anymore because Comcast disconnected me due to too much usage. It also has been affecting me so much. I cannot see anything here due to big pictures and videos. One of the reasons I started to edit at Wikipedia is that they do not have so many pictures or videos.

This time, I did not see anybody posting about this bridge. So now I am posting and asking here. Thank you very much, you all!
(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif)

[painter]

Steel was holding that highway together.
<s>

I stand somewhat corrected, series. Obviously steel was used in the construction but I still don't think of this as a "steel structure" -- and although metal was obviously deformed from heat, weight and gravity, I see no evidence of "melting".

[chucksheen]

http://stopthelie.com/freeway_collapse.html

Chaban911:
http://www.chaban.ripside.com/forum

Nice sig images shoon. Archived at http://picasaweb.google.com/chucksheen. Add comments or additions.

I often drive the Oakland Maze and like all other roads in Cali, the quality is dilapidated. Cali was granted some large amount of money for rebuilding. We will see...

[txsahm31]

Thanks guys for posting this info! I have been going in circles on a local message board here where everyone is basically comparing this to WTC. There are so few truthers in my area.

Seriously this is a C&P response to one of my posts about WTC7 on the local message board I frequent.

Planes hit the buildings.

Severe damage resulted from impact and fire.

Jet fuel was not the only thing to burn. Synthetics in carpets, furniture, you name it burned, they give off great heat.

The trusses buckled and gave way. As the the floors came down, they couldn't handle the increased load and stress, they too came down like domino's.

WTC 7 had a huge chunk knocked out of it, the building couldn't handle the load.

We all saw it.

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif)

[painter]

Here are some photographs taken by series_of_tubes earlier today. I've cropped them to concentrate on the trusses that protrude from the concrete columns.

(IMG:http://www.offrampstudios.net/pilots/images/freewaytrusses01.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.offrampstudios.net/pilots/images/freewaytrusses02.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.offrampstudios.net/pilots/images/freewaytrusses03.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.offrampstudios.net/pilots/images/freewaytrusses04.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.offrampstudios.net/pilots/images/freewaytrusses05.jpg)

[shoon]

Thanks, chucksheen! But I mentioned here, I have dial up connection due to Comcast liar so it takes me forever to see pictures. Could you tell me exactly where my sig is?

[Cary]

Your "sig" is short for "signature." It's the pictures of the flattened buildings and the steel reinforced structure that wasn't flattened from the atomic bombs that the US dropped on Hiroshima. It also includes the following text,

"Atomic Bomb exploded 600m away from Hiroshima Dome and entire city was destroyed. Copper was turned into Nickel. The temperature of the surface was 4000 degree C.
This steel reinforced building did not collapsed.
Therefore a commercial airplane with jet fuel is more powerful than an atomic bomb!"

You get to customize your "sig" once your account is approved.

[shoon]

Thanks, Cary! I guess you are telling me what I know, though. I wanted to know where chucksheen's Archived photos of my sig are. But I found it now.

I guess this bridge issue is not going anywhere at this point. But that's good.