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Questions: The Passengers, Cell Phone Calls, And Plane Swapping.

EagleEye
post Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
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Hi all,

I've recently come across what i think is the best researched and the hardest hitting of the 9/11 documentaries, which includes a number of clips from P4T's vids and which references the material here.

Here it is

"September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" - Full version (1/3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk

In it, towards the end of that segment they discuss the numerous cell phone calls that the public record tried to cover up, unsuccessfully, as you'll see in the video - where they tried to alter the narrative, to say that they were all via air phones, when that was clearly not the case.

Since there can be no cell phone coverage, in 2001 and not even now, in 2014 - at the altitudes and aircraft speeds referenced (for contiguous coverage from tower to tower) - then the calls can only have been made, from the ground.


In Operation Northwoods the passengers disembarked from the swapped plane at an army base i believe.

QUESTION #1)

Would there have been adequate time, giving the timing of those calls, which must have been made from the ground at a stationary location - for the original flights to have radar swapped with modified drone aircraft, and then landed, in order for those calls to have been made from passengers aboard the originating flights - or -

QUESTION #2)

must those passengers have remained grounded the whole time, where the swap took place at the level of the airport tarmac... and could THAT be done and if so, how?


You'll note in those calls, that the recipient indicated very clear and crisp reception with no background noise - and the "narrative" offered in the calls themselves seemed contrived and almost acted out.

This raises a very horrible image of innocent people reading scripts under duress, or a false pretense -but the last lady at the very end of the video, I tell you when you listen to it, it will give you chills...

The way she delivered it... and then at the end when she fumbles with the phone before saying goodbye, her voice cracking in emotion only at the end of her "delivery" - the whisper... oh God.

Please help me to understand this element, if the people were "handled" before they even took off, or only after they landed - because those calls could not have been made from altitude at 500mph. That's a fact.

Thank you.


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EagleEye
post Feb 10 2014, 08:05 PM
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Since the phone call record for flight 175 is highly suspect (do the research), then all indication is that the passengers involved in making those calls were doing so from the ground reading scripts, as the cell phone record when taken together on the whole supports, even if only a percentage of calls were made from cell phones, because those calls can only have been made from the ground.

Furthermore, in regards to the time and flight path of flight 175, with the pilot reporting in after wheels off time, which was delayed - it does not appear that there would be enough time for a swap, landing and disembarkation of the passengers, and yet there must have been a swap nevertheless.

Therefore i think it's fair to presume that the passengers were not aboard flight 175 when it took off, and thus that the original flight 175 most certainly was flown by another pilot other than either Captain Victor Saracini or First Officer Michael Horrocks.

To support this model of hypothesis, since we have the recording of flight 175's pilot reporting in, it would be interesting if a researcher could find a recording of Victor Saracini's voice for comparison because i'll bet you dollars to donuts that it's NOT match, and that even though it's over the radio that it would be possible to tell whether or not it's the voice of the same person.

I think those pilots of the originating flights were grounded and where needed alternative pilots took over the Captains chair, who then managed the radar swap only to land at an airbase, but God help them and the pilots who would have flown the remote drone aircraft, because i'll bet they would have been considered potential loose ends in the grand scheme of things and are thus no longer with us themselves.

That might make for a shocking piece of research though if the voice comparison demonstrates that the pilot reporting in from 175 wasn't the pilot he was supposed to be..

just a thought..
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post Feb 11 2014, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE (EagleEye @ Feb 10 2014, 07:05 PM) *
To support this model of hypothesis, since we have the recording of flight 175's pilot reporting in, it would be interesting if a researcher could find a recording of Victor Saracini's voice for comparison because i'll bet you dollars to donuts that it's NOT match, and that even though it's over the radio that it would be possible to tell whether or not it's the voice of the same person.


I for one would be extremely interested in finding out the results of a voice comparison if it could be made.

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I think those pilots of the originating flights were grounded and where needed alternative pilots took over the Captains chair, who then managed the radar swap only to land at an airbase, but God help them and the pilots who would have flown the remote drone aircraft, because i'll bet they would have been considered potential loose ends in the grand scheme of things and are thus no longer with us themselves.


I don't follow this part.
I always thought that if a drone was used, it wouldn't be piloted, it would have been remote controlled.

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- EagleEye   Questions: The Passengers, Cell Phone Calls, And Plane Swapping.   Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
- - EagleEye   I described the last call referenced in the docume...   Jan 15 2014, 12:18 AM
- - MikeR   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 03:20 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 12:27 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (MikeR @ Jan 14 2014, 08:27 PM) You...   Jan 15 2014, 12:57 AM
||- - mainer   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 14 2014, 11:57 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 09:19 AM
||- - EagleEye   QUOTE (mainer @ Jan 15 2014, 05:19 AM) FW...   Jan 15 2014, 12:34 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (MikeR @ Jan 14 2014, 08:27 PM) You...   Jan 16 2014, 02:11 AM
- - EagleEye   I do realize it's been 12 years now, but this ...   Jan 15 2014, 02:30 PM
|- - realitycheck77   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 01:30 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 04:17 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (realitycheck77 @ Jan 15 2014, 12:1...   Jan 15 2014, 05:27 PM
|- - realitycheck77   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 04:27 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 06:42 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (realitycheck77 @ Jan 15 2014, 02:4...   Jan 15 2014, 06:57 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (realitycheck77 @ Jan 15 2014, 05:4...   Jan 17 2014, 01:55 AM
|- - paranoia   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 17 2014, 12:55 AM) I...   Jan 17 2014, 03:45 AM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (paranoia @ Jan 17 2014, 08:45 AM) ...   Jan 17 2014, 09:35 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 17 2014, 08:35...   Jan 18 2014, 12:37 AM
- - signalfire   It's been a few months since I read it, but El...   Jan 15 2014, 05:55 PM
|- - CharlesGWright   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 04:55 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 06:03 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 01:55 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 06:41 PM
- - signalfire   You'd need to put an RV group on it and then m...   Jan 15 2014, 06:38 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 02:38 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 06:47 PM
- - signalfire   Nothing except that you seem new to the research a...   Jan 15 2014, 07:03 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 03:03 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 08:08 PM
- - signalfire   I'm not even sure anymore what point you'r...   Jan 15 2014, 09:34 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 05:34 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 10:41 PM
- - Art   Cell phone records of the 9/11 passengers were obt...   Jan 16 2014, 07:23 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (Art @ Jan 16 2014, 03:23 PM) Cell ...   Jan 17 2014, 03:05 PM
|- - Art   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 17 2014, 03:05 PM) ...   Jan 18 2014, 01:43 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (Art @ Jan 17 2014, 09:43 PM) When ...   Jan 18 2014, 04:01 AM
|- - Art   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 18 2014, 04:01 AM) ...   Jan 28 2014, 07:13 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (Art @ Jan 28 2014, 03:13 PM) Now I...   Jan 29 2014, 04:03 PM
- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 14 2014, 10:20 PM) ...   Jan 17 2014, 02:01 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 16 2014, 10:01 PM) I...   Jan 17 2014, 02:56 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 17 2014, 01:56 AM) ...   Jan 18 2014, 12:29 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 17 2014, 08:29 PM) C...   Jan 18 2014, 03:52 AM
- - EagleEye   i meant Todd Beamer   Jan 17 2014, 03:08 AM
- - nonflier   EagleEye, I started watching that again and this t...   Jan 17 2014, 04:26 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (nonflier @ Jan 17 2014, 12:26 PM) ...   Jan 17 2014, 06:37 PM
- - EagleEye   Let's watch the segment again http://www.yout...   Jan 18 2014, 04:31 AM
- - EagleEye   That's one heck of a conundrum for the authori...   Jan 18 2014, 04:44 AM
- - EagleEye   According to the documentary the FBI's own fil...   Jan 18 2014, 05:38 AM
- - EagleEye   This is even MORE devastating i think than other i...   Jan 18 2014, 05:49 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 18 2014, 04:49 AM) ...   Jan 18 2014, 05:53 PM
- - EagleEye   Sorry NP1Mike, I was typing too much, and in try...   Jan 18 2014, 10:05 PM
- - EagleEye   Update/Summary additional reference point. http...   Jan 19 2014, 01:07 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 19 2014, 12:07 AM) ...   Jan 19 2014, 02:24 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 18 2014, 10:24 PM) N...   Jan 19 2014, 02:44 AM
||- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 19 2014, 01:44 AM) ...   Jan 19 2014, 05:59 PM
||- - EagleEye   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 19 2014, 01:59 PM) B...   Jan 19 2014, 11:01 PM
||- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 19 2014, 10:01 PM) ...   Jan 19 2014, 11:16 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 18 2014, 10:24 PM) ...   Jan 19 2014, 02:48 AM
|- - poppyburner   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 19 2014, 06:24 AM) Y...   Jan 20 2014, 11:29 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (poppyburner @ Jan 20 2014, 07:29 P...   Jan 21 2014, 12:06 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (poppyburner @ Jan 20 2014, 10:29 P...   Jan 21 2014, 12:31 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 20 2014, 08:31 PM) P...   Jan 21 2014, 01:08 AM
- - EagleEye   Question: Does anyone know how to obtain the ema...   Jan 19 2014, 01:43 AM
|- - MikeR   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 19 2014, 05:43 PM) ...   Jan 19 2014, 02:56 AM
|- - paulmichael   QUOTE (MikeR @ Jan 19 2014, 01:56 AM) Dir...   Jan 19 2014, 05:57 AM
|- - MikeR   QUOTE (paulmichael @ Jan 19 2014, 09:57 P...   Jan 19 2014, 12:14 PM
- - EagleEye   2nd link - didn't work http:// www.abovetops...   Jan 19 2014, 01:49 AM
- - EagleEye   OK, the no planer and DEW theories are OFF-TOPIC, ...   Jan 19 2014, 05:25 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 19 2014, 04:25 PM) ...   Jan 19 2014, 06:02 PM
- - EagleEye   test south tower plane presentation www.abovetop...   Jan 20 2014, 03:44 AM
- - EagleEye   ok i've directed this to fellow 9/11 researche...   Jan 20 2014, 04:09 AM
|- - poppyburner   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 20 2014, 08:09 AM) ...   Jan 20 2014, 09:38 AM
- - NP1Mike   re: cell phones and there not being any made from ...   Jan 20 2014, 05:00 PM
|- - poppyburner   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 20 2014, 09:00 PM) ....   Jan 20 2014, 10:23 PM
- - EagleEye   No planers are victims of the honey pot, either un...   Jan 21 2014, 01:05 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 21 2014, 12:05 AM) ...   Feb 11 2014, 06:58 PM
|- - paulmichael   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 11 2014, 05:58 PM) T...   Feb 11 2014, 09:16 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (paulmichael @ Feb 11 2014, 05:16 P...   Feb 17 2014, 05:21 PM
|- - MikeR   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Feb 18 2014, 09:21 AM) ...   Feb 17 2014, 06:06 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 17 2014, 02:06 PM) Wha...   Feb 17 2014, 06:35 PM
||- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Feb 17 2014, 11:35 PM) ...   Feb 17 2014, 10:32 PM
||- - MikeR   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Feb 18 2014, 10:35 AM) ...   Feb 18 2014, 04:05 AM
||- - paulmichael   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Feb 17 2014, 05:35 PM) ...   Feb 18 2014, 01:33 PM
||- - MikeR   QUOTE (paulmichael @ Feb 19 2014, 05:33 A...   Feb 18 2014, 08:56 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 17 2014, 05:06 PM) If ...   Feb 17 2014, 07:01 PM
|- - MikeR   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 18 2014, 11:01 AM) I...   Feb 18 2014, 04:15 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 18 2014, 03:15 AM) ...   Feb 18 2014, 04:06 PM
|- - paulmichael   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 18 2014, 03:06 PM) M...   Feb 18 2014, 04:46 PM
|- - MikeR   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 19 2014, 08:06 AM) Y...   Feb 18 2014, 08:16 PM
||- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 18 2014, 07:16 PM) Sor...   Feb 18 2014, 09:03 PM
|- - MikeR   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 19 2014, 08:06 AM) Y...   Feb 18 2014, 08:23 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 18 2014, 07:23 PM) Are...   Feb 18 2014, 09:07 PM
- - EagleEye   The entire cell phone record, taken as a whole and...   Jan 21 2014, 04:25 AM
|- - Art   That's what i see and recognize clearly in tha...   Jan 28 2014, 04:23 PM
- - EagleEye   What's interesting about this aspect I've ...   Jan 29 2014, 03:12 PM
- - EagleEye   Since the phone call record for flight 175 is high...   Feb 10 2014, 08:05 PM
|- - paulmichael   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Feb 10 2014, 07:05 PM) ...   Feb 11 2014, 05:38 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Feb 10 2014, 07:05 PM) ...   Feb 11 2014, 06:37 PM
- - EagleEye   P.S. This is the reason, in part, that i'm not...   Feb 17 2014, 05:55 PM
|- - MikeR   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Feb 18 2014, 09:55 AM) ...   Feb 17 2014, 06:24 PM
- - onesliceshort   From my earlier link http://pilotsfor911truth.or...   Feb 18 2014, 07:18 AM
|- - MikeR   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 18 2014, 11:18...   Feb 18 2014, 07:50 AM
- - onesliceshort   MikeR, read the entire link I gave. There's mu...   Feb 18 2014, 09:46 AM
|- - MikeR   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 19 2014, 01:46...   Feb 18 2014, 10:19 AM
|- - paulmichael   QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 18 2014, 09:19 AM) Eve...   Feb 18 2014, 10:47 AM
- - NP1Mike   Thank you very much, but I asked MikeR.   Feb 18 2014, 06:40 PM
- - EagleEye   Just look at what the no plane video fakery nonsen...   Feb 18 2014, 11:07 PM
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