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Why Ron Paul Will Win In 2008 In A Landslide, America is ready 4 an honest Statesman!

Carl Bank
post Dec 24 2007, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE (chris sarns @ Dec 24 2007, 11:36 PM)
I will put my time, energy and $ into the McKinney campaign.

Good idea using your time & energy for something different than for what you
used it here.

Does this in conclusion mean that you are done here?

If so: Thank you for dropping by and sharing your views with us.


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post Dec 24 2007, 10:15 PM
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post Dec 25 2007, 03:01 AM
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Around a year or so ago I made a post to this forum in regards to Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich. As someone who did a lot of online poll voting, posting, etc. for Kucinich in 2003-04 I felt as though I could offer you a message. Which was, if you back a dark horse candidate (by that I mean threatening to the MSM blackout, nothing else) then you need to be pounding the pavement and telling people about ALL of the alternative options. Are you going to get as much traction with Ron Paul in a traditionally Democratic area? Or with Kucinich in a traditionally Republican one? It seems unlikely to me. So I recommended that those who are pounding the pavement take along some information about a few candidates, regardless of their first choice. That way, you can talk to people who might not want to hear about Kucinich or Paul or McKinney or Gravel but might go for one of the others.

Online is saturated, folks. If you haven't already hit the streets by now, it's probably too late. In slightly over a month, Superduper megacorporation TuesdayTM will have decided who it is safe for the sheep to vote for... and what will you do then? Independent third parties have been set up for a knee jerk response by the sheeple. Like it or not, that's how I see it.

Me, I'm not holding my breath for Paul,Kucinich,McKinney,Gravel,NESARA or benign aliens to save America from the predicament that we have let ourselves fall into.

I watched the Dean/Kucinich/Clark divisive primary fiasco anoint the sacrificial bonesman Kerry closely enough that I think I can offer a bit of perspective here...

And if it sounds like I'm raining on the Paul parade, well, all I have to say is that if you are still online to read this, you are probably missing the parade. You needed to be out pounding the precincts months ago, pamplets in hand. If you were/are then congrats. I wish you the best. Me, I'm looking beyond February to where we can best channel the energy from unsucessful campaigns. It ain't going to be pushing for the nominees of the corporate parties, barring some miracle.

I also think it may make some sense strategically speaking to look at which primary candidate might either fair best or which primary system (Republican or Democrat) might be most influenced by a small number of committed people in your particular state and mention that to the people who you talk to. This way, RP or DK might pick up delegates or win states early on. But like I say, it's probably too late in the game to be making such strategic decisions. As intended with the big push for early primaries everywhere. Which of course favor the corporate whore candidates who get the brand name recognition and funding.

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Excellent post, waterdancer. I think we're pretty much on the same page. To me, you pretty much sum it up with this: "Me, I'm looking beyond February to where we can best channel the energy from unsucessful campaigns. It ain't going to be pushing for the nominees of the corporate parties, barring some miracle."

@ maturin42:

You want to know my worst and deepest fear? It looks something like this:






The Evangelical Rebellion



by Chris Hedges

The rise of Mike Huckabee as a presidential candidate represents a seismic shift in the tactics, ideology and direction of the radical Christian right. Huckabee may stumble and falter in later primaries, but his right-wing Christian populism is here to stay. Huckabee represents a new and potent force in American politics, and the neocons and corporate elite, who once viewed the yahoos of the Christian right as the useful idiots, are now confronted with the fact that they themselves are the ones who have been taken for a ride. Members of the Christian right, recruited into the Republican Party and manipulated to vote against their own interests around the issues of abortion and family values, are in rebellion. They are taking the party into new, uncharted territory. And they presage, especially with looming economic turmoil, the rise of a mass movement that could demolish what is left of American democracy and set the stage for a Christian fascism.


The corporate establishment, whose plundering of the country created fertile ground for a radical, right-wing backlash, is sounding the alarm bells. It is scrambling to bolster Mitt Romney, who, like Rudy Giuliani or Hillary Clinton, will continue to slash and burn on behalf of corporate profits. Columnist George Will called Huckabee’s populism “a comprehensive apostasy against core Republican beliefs.” He wrote that Huckabee’s candidacy “broadly repudiates core Republican policies such as free trade, low taxes, the essential legitimacy of America’s corporate entities and the market system allocating wealth and opportunity.” National Review’s Rich Lowry wrote that “like [Howard] Dean, his nomination would represent an act of suicide by his party.”


Huckabee spoke of this revolt on the “Today” show. “There’s a sense in which all these years the evangelicals have been treated very kindly by the Republican Party,” he said. “They wanted us to be a part of it. And then one day one of us actually runs and they say, ‘Oh, my gosh, now they’re serious.’ They [evangelicals] don’t want to just show up and vote, they actually would want to be a part of the discussion.”


George Bush is a happy stooge of his corporate handlers. He blithely enriches the oligarchy, defends a war that is the worst foreign policy blunder in American history and callously denies medical benefits to children. Huckabee is different. He has tapped into the rage and fury of the working class, dispossessed and abandoned by the mainstream Democrats and Republicans. And he refuses to make the ideology of the Christian right, with its dark contempt for democratic traditions and intolerance of nonbelievers, a handmaiden of the corporate establishment. This makes him a much more lethal and radical political force.


The Christian right is the most potent and dangerous mass movement in American history. It has been controlled and led, until now, by those who submit to the demands of the corporate state. But the grass roots are tired of being taken for rubes. They are tired of candidates, like Bush or Bill Clinton, who roll out the same clichés about working men and women every four years and then spend their terms enriching their corporate backers. The majority of American citizens have spent the last two decades watching their government services and benefits vanish. They have seen their jobs go overseas and are watching as their communities crumble and their houses are foreclosed. It is their kids who are in Iraq and Afghanistan. The old guard in the Christian right, the Pat Robertsons, who used their pulpits to deliver the votes of naive followers to the corporatists, is a spent force. Huckabee’s Christian populism represents the maturation of the movement. It signals the rise of a truly radical, even revolutionary force in American politics, of which Huckabee may be one of the tamer and less frightening examples.


Hints of Huckabee’s bizarre worldview seep out now and then. Bob Vander Plaats, Huckabee’s Iowa campaign manager, for example, when asked about his candidate’s lack of foreign policy experience, told MSNBC: “Well, I think Gov. Huckabee has a lot of resources that he goes to on national security matters. Here’s a guy, a former pastor, who understands a theological nature of this war as we’re fighting a radical religion in Islam.”


Robert Novak noted that Huckabee held a fundraiser last week at the Houston home of Dr. Steven Hotze. As Novak wrote, Hotze is “a leader in the highly conservative Christian Reconstruction movement.”


Huckabee has close ties with the Christian Reconstructionist or Dominionist branch of the Christian right. The Dominionist movement, which seeks to cloak itself in the mantle of the Christian faith and American patriotism, is small in numbers but influential. It departs from traditional evangelicalism. It seeks to redefine traditional democratic and Christian terms and concepts to fit an ideology that calls on the radical church to take political power. It shares many prominent features with classical fascist movements, at least as such movements are defined by the scholar Robert O. Paxton, who sees fascism as “a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cultures of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.”


Dominionism, born out of Christian Reconstructionism, seeks to politicize faith. It has, like all fascist movements, a belief in magic along with leadership adoration and a strident call for moral and physical supremacy of a master race, in this case American Christians. It also has, like fascist movements, an ill-defined and shifting set of beliefs, some of which contradict each other. Paxton argues that the best way to understand authentic fascist movements, which he says exist in all societies, including democracies, is to focus not on what they say but on how they act, for, as he writes, some of the ideas that underlie fascist movements “remain unstated and implicit in fascist public language” and “many of them belong more to the realm of visceral feelings than to the realm of reasoned propositions.”


Dominionism teaches that American Christians have been mandated by God to make America a Christian state. A decades-long refusal by most American fundamentalists to engage in politics at all following the Scopes trial has been replaced by a call for Christian “dominion” over the nation and, eventually, over the Earth itself. Dominionism preaches that Jesus has called on Christians to actively build the kingdom of God on Earth. America becomes, in this militant Biblicism, an agent of God, and all political and intellectual opponents of America’s Christian leaders are viewed, quite simply, as agents of Satan. Under Christian dominion, America will no longer be a sinful and fallen nation but one in which the Ten Commandments form the basis of our legal system, in which creationism and “Christian values” form the basis of our educational system, and the media and the government proclaim the Good News to one and all. Labor unions, civil rights laws and public schools will be abolished. Women will be removed from the work force to stay at home, and all those deemed insufficiently Christian will be denied citizenship.


Baptist minister Rick Scarborough, founder of Vision America and a self-described “Christocrat,” who attended the Texas fundraiser, has endorsed Huckabee. Scarborough, along with holding other bizarre stances, opposes the HPV (human papillomavirus) vaccine on grounds that it interferes with God’s punishment of sexual license. And Huckabee, who once advocated isolating AIDS patients from the general public and opposed increased federal funding in the search for a cure, comes out of this frightening mold. He justified his call to quarantine those with AIDS because they could “pose a dangerous public health risk.”


“If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague,” Huckabee wrote. “It is difficult to understand the public policy towards AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents.”


Huckabee has publicly backed off from this extreme position, but he remains deeply hostile to gays. He has used wit and humor to deflect reporters from his radical views about marriage, abortion, damnation, biblical law, creationism and the holy war he believes we are fighting with Islam. But his stances represent a huge step, should they ever become policy, toward a theocratic state and the death of our open society. In the end, however, I do not blame Huckabee or the tens of millions of hapless Christians-40 percent of the Republican electorate-who hear his words and rejoice. I blame the corporate state, those who thought they could disempower and abuse the working class, rape the country, build a rapacious oligarchy and never pay a political price.


Chris Hedges, who graduated from Harvard Divinity School and was for nearly two decades a foreign correspondent for The New York Times, is the author of “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.


©2007 TruthDig.com





This is why, however much I may admire on one hand men like Ron Paul or, say, Alex Jones, on the other hand I can not fully "trust" them. Oh, I trust that they are mostly telling the truth regarding their aims and agendas so far as they, themselves, know them -- but there are deeper impulses, I fear, in them that they may not even know or confess or avow, consciously. I see this level of denial most everywhere I look these days. What would happen, do you think, if, for example, the dominionists were to embrace 9/11 Truth? I do not see it in any way contra-indicative of so-called 'Biblical Prophecy'.

Rhinoceroses anyone?
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