Iran Is Thursday? Options

[Lasthorseman]

Ok first there was this.
http://www.boomantribune.com/comments/2007.../105538/677/7#7
And then the reply.

Interesting.
9:30 PM April 5 on the East Coast. (Tehran is 7.5 hours ahead of us.)

By the time word gets out on the attack, most Americans will be asleep. We'll wake up Friday morning and see that the world is a very different place if that's true.

You don't have to go far to see that Iraq was all about the oil and US military/corporate control over it. In 1998 the price of oil was hovering around $15 a barrel. Now it's approaching 5 times that. Gas prices have gone from 80-90 cents a gallon to over 4 dollars in San Francisco today. Energy companies continue to post record shattering profits. Even the threat of anything with Iran has jacked up prices.

And with the Bush administration circling the drain, war with Iran must look better and better. How soon the world forgot that the UK decided six weeks ago to redeploy into their bases in Basra. They knew what was coming. The deal was made, I always wondered given the Bushies' virulent need to paint anyone who'd leave Iraq as a traitor, how the US would allow the UK to be able to get out of the way of the Iraq conflict. Now we see what Bush's price was: the UK starting the Gulf of Tonkin incident for us.

As I've said several times here, the decision to attack Iran has already been made. It's a question of when and with what excuse, and now we could be just a few days away from World War 3.

Even though I have said repeatedly I want to tack up my Apocalyptic horse it would be much better if I did not have to.

[Guinan]

$4 a gallon??
I just did a quick calculation, we are paying € 1,35 for a litre which works out to $ 6,70/6,80 a gallon !!(IMG:http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/ad/yikes.gif)

... so if that's any indication, you'd best buy yourselves a bike !

Guinan

[Devilsadvocate]

$4 a gallon??
I just did a quick calculation, we are paying € 1,35 for a litre which works out to $ 6,70/6,80 a gallon !!(IMG:http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/ad/yikes.gif)

... so if that's any indication, you'd best buy yourselves a bike !

Guinan

...or hitchhike, like me! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

[MichaelMR]

Well, the Chinese are buying their oil in euros now. A war with Iran is pretty much secured. With the current president we’ve got, I don’t think congress can stop it. When that does happen, I think it's time for peaceful protests to stop. If the government can’t do anything about it, it’s high time the people do. Even if that means civil war.

[painter]

Well, the Chinese are buying their oil in euros now. A war with Iran is pretty much secured. With the current president we’ve got, I don’t think congress can stop it. When that does happen, I think it's time for peaceful protests to stop. If the government can’t do anything about it, it’s high time the people do. Even if that means civil war.

I don't see that happening, MichaelMR. Not unless they reinstitute the draft. And I think they know the only way they could get the soccer moms and nascar dads to go along with that is if there is another, possibly far worse, "attack" on the US. If that happens all bets are off. It could get really nasty. Any form of dissent will likely not be tolerated.

Moreover, as is being discussed above, there is the real question of resources. Transportation and electrical generation aside, our society and economy is dependent upon hydrocarbon energy for food cultivation, production, packaging, distribution and preperation. If hydrocarbon resource depletion is the real justification for all this, that problem isn't going to go away, no matter who is in control of our government. If that is a genuine threat to our national interests and security, then whoever is in control is going to have to address this issue. So far I don't see anyone addressing it directly -- which is one of the reasons I'm skeptical. To me it looks more like a global market control issue.

So far as protests that are less than peaceful, be careful. Once you go down that road they have the justification to handle you with direct confrontational force. The infrastructure for handling massive 'social unrest' with minimal judiciary restraint is now in place. That is not to say we are powerless to press for change. It depends. If there were sufficient understanding among a large segment of the population -- sufficient, for example, to call for massive general strikes -- preferably peaceful ones -- that could have an enormous impact. Problem is, to be effective, that requires millions of people acting in unison. I don't know if we're any where near there. I don't see it. I hear a lot of grumbling about this or that but I don't see people recognizing what role they play in the system; how, essentially, nothing gets done unless we do it.

[MichaelMR]

Hmm, I guess you're right. But when a war with Iran starts, do you honestly believe that we're going to stop it through peaceful protests? (Note: I’m not pushing for violent protests or anything in that context; I’m just saying that we need to step it up a few notches when things start happening.) I'm looking at the Iraq mess right now and hundreds of thousands of people flock to the streets all over America and not a single thing is being done to cease the war altogether. The power hungry president we've got is threatening to veto any bill that would remove troops. In my eyes, this doesn't look very good as far as I'm concerned. I'm almost sure a bellicose curve will put us into war with Iran, even if it's through the Brits. Almost everyone who took part in “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” is a war criminal yet these guys are free to do whatever they please. There are plans which are starting to go into motion as far as global politics go, we can’t just sit back and watch.

What I’m trying to get at is massive walk outs, strikes like you’ve mentioned and literally forcing this country to stop in its tracks and think for a second. The fact is, not a lot of people realize what is happening with Iran, they only know what Fox noise is telling them. When the average person living in this timeline sits back and continues with his life as is, he is just a tax payer who has no voice. That alone is good enough for these guys, the taxes. It generates money. It helps assure other countries that if they fund our wars, they get paid back with interest. The double-edged sword is that we depend on money to live, so it’s a never ending cycle of economic slavery. What I’m saying is, if the government is going to spend the money we work our asses off for, they better do it in the right ways or face the consequences. These peaceful walks aren’t going to do sh*t IMO.


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This post has been edited by MichaelMR: Apr 2 2007, 02:13 PM

[Sanders]

But when a war with Iran starts, do you honestly believe that we're going to stop it through peaceful protests?

No one's gonna stop it with anything.

Our best shot is getting the truth about 9/11 out there. When a majority of people see that was a hoax, the house of cards will fall. When we reach critical mass, it'll be an avalanch. So many people are dying to speak out. Did you see the Calgary Herald article - first sentence?

[bill]

A better date would be either May 1

or perhaps 13 days before (April 18)

speaking numerologically/occult

[jo56]

I think you're right Sanders. Must keep telling anyone and everyone. I emailed two more networks today with the Canada story and asked if they knew about WTC7. She said, No, so I told her then emailed more details about where to find the article etc. Can only try! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I can't just DO NOTHING! NOT IN ME! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif)

[mo fiya]

here's a 10 point question...

let's say we DON'T attack Iran...and the dollar slowly renders itself useless, giving way to the Euro as the main currency around the world...

our economy collapses...

at a certain point, life in America will be like life in a typical third-world country.

maybe 9/11 truth goes global, maybe it doesn't...

where does that leave the future of our country for us and our children?

whether we go into Iran or not, things are going to get ugly. The only difference is we all die of starvation and malnutrition due to no resources from having no money, instead of dieing from a nuclear war that the neocons caused.

either way, we're fu*ked...right?

sometimes i wonder this, and i just gotta ask....what are we fighting for?

[painter]

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sometimes i wonder this, and i just gotta ask....what are we fighting for?

There are positive alternatives to corporate/fascist globalization. In a word: decentralization. That is the key and it is the one thing the City of London / Global Banking crowd aren't willing to give up without a fight.

All this could have been avoided 30-40 years ago but we underestimated the enemy.

[DemolitionCrew]

Excellent posts by all. Agreed we must step it up a few notches. Organized statements are critical. most importantly stayed focused on 9/11 it is the key to shining light on the crooks because of the emotional imprtance to this country. Its continued disccusion also makes the perps think twice about pulling anothe false flag.
Keep on keeping on!

[Cary]

All good points mo fiya. I'll give a go at addressing some of them.

The dollar has been in decline, but it's still used as the world's reserve currency. We're just starting (last year or so) to see some parts of the world actively move away from that. My guess is the dollar will be replaced by the amero by 2010. Will that allow for the euro to take its place as the world reserve currency? Depends on what happens to the world economy in the meantime. There may not be a need for a world reserve currency. How's that you ask? Because a financial economic implosion from the debt bubble, derivatives bubble, other bubbles, etc. might destroy the world's financial, banking and economic systems to the point of something we wouldn't recognize from today's vantage point.

There was no "world reserve currency" prior to Bretton Woods in the late 1940's. The British pound was the dominant world currency in the 1800's, but there were very few central private banks at the time. It wasn't until after WW II that most countries got their version of a private central bank, and to get that the central bank went along with the dollar reserve currency agenda. Nixon unilaterally cancelled Bretton Woods in 1971 by refusing to redeem any more dollars in gold, but the world kept on operating like Bretton Woods was still in place. Probably something the banksters engineered.

Whether we go into Iran or not, the US economy is just on the precipice of collapsing. A conflict with Iran will only accelerate the process. The other problem with an attack on Iran, especially if Israel gets into the fray is that the conflict could easily go global and nuclear. Russia has already informed the US through back channels that if Iran is attacked, they will turn Israel into a piece of glass, and that was over a year ago. At some point we will be living in a third world economy. The coming deflationary depression (starting to see signs of this in the housing market) will be a direct correlation to the size of the debt bubble that the Federal Reserve has fostered, enable and encouraged here pretty much since its inception. The debt bubble really took off once Alan Greenspan came to power in August 1987. Bernanke is a mere shadow of old Greenie's prowess in manipulation. Helicopter Ben will be the scapegoat as the economy unwinds, foreclosures go through the roof and unemployment goes north of 30%.

The future of this country for whomever survives is fairly bleak. And that's probably for a couple of generations at least. The globalists will attmept their "order out of chaos" which has been their mantra for generations. Create the chaos and then offer the solution or "order" to the masses. You think the Great Depression of the 1930's was an accident? LOL It was engineered. Think Great Depression times 100, that's how bad this one is going to be. Debt bubbles are ALWAYS followed by deflationary depressions and the depth of the destruction is directly correlated to the size of the debt bubble. We have a debt bubble in the US on all levels of the economy that is UNPRECEDENTED in the history of the planet. We might create a new category, as in fourth world economy vs. third world economy.

The whole concept of globalism was to allow the mega corps to take advantage of the low cost provider economies in terms of wages. So now Americans, Canadians, Brits, Europeans, Japanese and workers of other industrialized economies are in direct competition for wages with workers in China, India, east Europe, south America, Asia, etc. The average factory worker in China makes about $1.50/day and saves something like 40% of wages. Ice water on the brain ain't it. That's the competition for American factory jobs. Oh yeah, I forgot, they don't have health care or retirement benefits, no sick leave, vacation or any of the sh*t we take for granted here. And guess what General Motors is struggling to get them to finance their cars because these "ignorant consumers" are used to paying cash for their vehicles. GM can't stand getting cut out of the financing profits they're used to in the west. Real hard to compete with if you're an American, unless you're willing to live in a cardboard box and live in ways you'd struggle to imagine now.

Let me sum it up this way. Yes, a lot of the folks here (US at least) are fu*ked beyond their current comprehension and they have no clue what lies just around the bend. "V for Vendetta" was probably more prophetic than intended in terms of the US being a really bad place to be. They used leprosy in the film as the reason for our downfall as I remember, or at least the US was referred to as one big leprosy colony in the film. Disease will probably be a really big deal here in the next five to ten years as the economic collapse ravages the majority of people. Disease follows poverty, and especially the homeless. Kick the number of homeless up by several multiples while the baby boomers bankrupt the medical system in the next few years, and disease will be a mofo to be reconned with, right after starvation that is. I'm not trying to be a doom and gloomer, just repeating the globalists playbook for depopulation.

Does all this mean you should give up and go bury yourself in a hole? Nope, not at all. Be one of the survivors if you want to help your kids and grandkids. Learn while there's time (not a lot left) on how to survive. Be one of the survivors who will take the globalists/ruling elite on and maybe have something for future generations to look forward to besides being born into slavery of the state.

Let me leave you with some excerpts from the latest Elliot Wave Theorist from Bob Precther. Precther talks about the destruction of the next wave down in a wave "C" of gigantic proportions. Bolded emphasis is mine.

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Declining C waves are usually devastating in their destruction. They are third waves and have most of the properties of third waves. It is during these declines that there is virtually no place to hide except cash. The illusions held throughout waves A and B tend evaporate and fear takes over. C waves are persistent and broad. 1930-1932 was a C wave. 1962 was a C wave. 1969-1970 and 1973-1974 can be classified as C waves.

This wave C is going to be special. The declining portions of normal economic cycles perform a healthy cleansing function, as bear markets wipe out a few institutions on the margin of survival so that the economy can re-allocate resources and growth can resume. The great advance of Supercycle wave V (Roman numeral 5, not the letter V), from 1932 to 2000, and the ensuing B rally, have been powered by debt encouraged by the paper money monopoly know as the Federal Reserve System. These conditions, along with the federal government's protectionist policies, subisdies and corporate bailouts, have combined to create not a healthy "breathing" of the economy but one huge, sustained binge. Even though a Supercycle-degree bear market began seven years ago, the economy suffered little in wave A, and during wave B debt financing became even more intricate and extensive, piling on top of an already insecure foundation. This period of financial and eocnomic levitation has placed nearly every financial institution, corporation and government on the margin of survival, and unprecedented situation. So many institutions are so vulnerable that the only way this debt bubble can resolve is in one mad implosion lasting but a few years. Most of the debt structure will unravel in wave C, precipitating a breath-takingly swift and severe financial and economic collapse. It should bring with it shocking negative revelations - defaults, scandals, losses, bankruptcies, fund closures and business closures - on a weekly basis, eventually swelling to multiple events daily. In a few years we will be reading about a sharp rise in unemployment and a collapse of the tax base. The average investor, so prevelant today, will morph into the average survivor. When it's all over, the financial markets, over which the population today is obsessed, will be but a bitter afterthought relegated to the mists of time.

Then the process will start over."


Got some Elliott Wave terminology in there, but I think you get the picture. This is nothing new from Prechter. I highly encourage you to pick up a copy of his book, Conquer the Crash which you'll probably have to get of the net. Most bookstores don't carry it.

What are we fighting for? Better question is what are YOU fighting for? I'm fighting for a better world for my kids and future grandkids.

Sorry for the long assed post.

[Lasthorseman]

Good points. In trying to spread truth for a long time now I suspect most of the MSM networks have my IP pegged. None of them ever respond anymore.
I still think the emergence of 911 truth is key.
Still I truely believe the master plan calls for a US depopulation.

[jo56]

Great info, Cary!

Lasthorseman, as far as depopulation this has been occurring all over the past several years including in the US (I suspect New Orleans and the many tornadoes and storms as being hi tech created - we know Tesla electromagnetic technology is well advanced in Alaska - See the forum Library).

This post has been edited by jo56: Apr 2 2007, 09:46 PM