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Pentagon Lawn Images, Chronological order

onesliceshort
post Mar 6 2011, 05:37 PM
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Edit: More defined alleged timeframes, sources, updates, etc.

Continuing from this post,I thought it deserved its own thread. Regarding the Pentagon area after the explosion.

SOUTHERN AREA

Steve Riskus: PRECOLLAPSE: HELIPORT AND SOUTH: "less than one minute" after explosion:

Source

POV shots (courtesy of poster 22205 at CIT forums)

http://criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010015.JPG

http://criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010016.JPG

SOUTH/GENERATOR AREA

http://criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010017.JPG

Composite of Southern area (allegedly within minutes of the explosion):



Timestamp 08:47 (09:47)

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1545/wheelhouseimage.jpg

Taken by Keith Wheelhouse


Southern area within 6 - 10 minutes according to timestamps according to Navy Photographer Jason Ingersol:

09:47

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9600/imageoovs.jpg


09:48

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8830/imagewti.jpg


09:48

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1240/imagewfq.jpg


09:48

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/1205/imagejvg.jpg


09:48

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/3655/imagevhz.jpg


09:49

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2882/imagecwf.jpg


09:52

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3706/imageeah.jpg


09:52

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7619/imagecsa.jpg


09:54

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/621/imagealh.jpg


09:54

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9138/imagepsyr.jpg


09:55

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8718/imagedqyd.jpg


Edit: Navymil images allegedly taken around 09:56AM

09:56

http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-6157F-002.jpg

Medics - McGraw - South towards facade - heliport - Titan - Mark D. Faram - September 10, 2002 10:56:06AM ? 09:56AM ?(precollapse)

09:57:07

http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-6157F-003.jpg

Ambulance - Route 27 - South towards facade - Mark D. Faram - September 10, 2002 10:57:07AM ? 09:57AM?

09:57

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/255/imagecyy.jpg


09:57

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6074/imagepog.jpg


09:57

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2315/imageebt.jpg


09:58

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1252/imageyal.jpg


09:58

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4533/imagegoql.jpg


09:59

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7439/imagebvo.jpg


09:59

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/4655/imageyqp.jpg


09:59

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5168/imageygx.jpg


09:59

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/993/imagevdrg.jpg


09:59

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8708/imagezwb.jpg


10 AM onwards

10:00

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/8656/imageghk.jpg


10:01

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2267/imageqtht.jpg


10:02

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/675/imagermg.jpg


10:02

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6411/imagedwi.jpg


10:02

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8152/imagelcsd.jpg


10:03

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5629/imagefjnd.jpg


10:03

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7154/imagejku.jpg


10:03

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5752/imageltx.jpg


10:03

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/7166/imagezctv.jpg


10:04

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1871/imagepbg.jpg


10:04

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7240/imagedzja.jpg


10:06

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5297/imagedvn.jpg


10:07

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9721/imageftz.jpg

10:08

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3299/imagegpyr.jpg


10:08

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6804/imageojsy.jpg


10:08

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2530/imagexxw.jpg


Edit : Navymil images added

10:19:01AM

http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-6157F-005.jpg

Evacuation? - I395, Pentagon in background - Mark D. Faram - September 10, 2002 11:19:01AM ? 10:19AM

10:21

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2636/imagezby.jpg


10:21

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9332/imagezypg.jpg


10:26:10

http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-6157F-006.jpg

View from I395 looking down on Route 27 and Pentagon - Mark D. Faram - September 10, 2002 11:26:10AM? 10:26AM?


Note the evacuated scene with firefighters and rescue workers pulled back for at least half an hour:

10:35

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2607/imagerbqd.jpg


10:40

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/9977/imagewuns.jpg


10:45

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9476/imageorv.jpg


10:46

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5813/imagepwp.jpg


10:46

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5264/imagestp.jpg


10:46

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/1678/imagewaf.jpg


Return of the (most laxadazical) firefighters..

11:00

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9209/imagexba.jpg


11:02

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9117/imagejgdw.jpg


11:03

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7707/imagezkr.jpg


11:08

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2757/imageupb.jpg


11:34

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2862/imagevvqs.jpg


11:50

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/117/imagelgq.jpg


11:51

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5874/imagebbn.jpg


11:51

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/2108/imagecxhk.jpg


11:55

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/893/imagegpy.jpg


12:53

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7467/imageomnx.jpg


12:53

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4674/imagerfoj.jpg


15:05

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1620/imageytr.jpg


16:16

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/7090/imagefie.jpg



Additional info:


Edit: I thought this video of the Ingersol images should be included (in running order from 09:45 to 10:09)



It also includes this image which i can't believe I forgot to include (it's not the pentagon lawn but it's very much related to the alleged "debris").

September 11, 2001 10:45:01PM (- 1 hour : 09:45)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...ce/DSC_0404.jpg

Discussed here.




"FOIA released" footage * (unsure of time but precollapse):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXy9D3CprWU

From 03:35

Bad quality stills of area running along generator area:

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8757/fo...areawidevip.png

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/4567/fo...reawidevip1.png

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6972/fo...reawidevip2.png

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6972/foia...reawidevip3.png

* The same firefighters were caught on camera at 09:58 by Jason Ingersol in this shot:

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03880.JPEG



"FOIA released" footage:PRECOLLAPSE (bad quality)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBVvKOgZfqk

Southern area up to heliport:

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5703/foiazoneheliport.png

03:08 - 03:18 (pay particular attention to the "debris" to the far right that seems to crop up in different areas at different times and can't be seen in the images above - maybe nothing but...)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/589/foiag...idevipdebri.jpg

NOTE: Crosscheck with:

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03879.JPEG

and

http://criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010017.JPG

and

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/4343/donleysouth.jpg


RANDOM:

http://americanhistory.si.edu/september11/...rge/133_283.jpg

EDIT: Above image taken around the same time (10:04) as this (look for firefighter without helmet to the left pictured in same image above):

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03894.JPEG


NORTH OF LAWN (WHERE EXACTLY??)

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03897.JPEG

http://jpdesm.pagesperso-orange.fr/pentago..._Debris_181.jpg

http://www.twf.org/Gallery/911f/Pentagon91...eaning%20Up.jpg



UNKNOWN SOURCE OR TIME:

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1053/27cj.jpg

MISC:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3299/pentlawn.jpg



Oh, and those "scraps of aluminium" claimed to be scraps of an aircraft on the helipad?

2001:09:11 19:39:05

Exif data


http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4549/route27fromlawn.jpg

Window blinds (what are they called in the States??) and bits of tree, for the most part.

Any more images welcome (particularly hi-res).

EDIT: ASSORTED IMAGES FROM THE INGERSOL COLLECTION TAKEN EARLY AND THROUGHOUT THE NEXT DAY (COURTESY OF CIT) - also added Navymil images for 9/12

September 12, 2001 08:30:46AM

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7484/p9120014y.jpg

September 12, 2001 08:32:42AM

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/6594/p9120016.jpg

September 12, 2001 08:32:49AM

http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/564/p9120017.jpg

September 12, 2001 08:33:37AM

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1927/p9120018.jpg

September 12, 2001 08:34:05AM

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3903/p9120019.jpg

September 12, 2001 08:35:47AM

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9578/p9120020.jpg

September 12, 2001 08:36:34AM

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/5964/p9120021.jpg

September 12, 2001 08:37:05AM

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/7702/p9120022.jpg

September 12, 2001 08:38:37AM

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5707/p9120023.jpg

September 12, 2001 08:38:51AM

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7551/p9120024.jpg

September 12, 2001 08:41:03AM

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6554/p9120026.jpg

September 12, 2001 08:41:12AM



http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-025.jpg

AE Drive - Michael W. Pendergrass

September 12, 2001 (no time specified...)


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/web...N-3235P-026.jpg

AE Drive - Michael W. Pendergrass - Arlington, Va.

Sept. 12, 2001 (no time specified...)


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-028.jpg

AE Drive - Michael W. Pendergrass

Sept. 12, 2001 (no time specified...)


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-029.jpg

AE Drive - windowframes blasted out the way - utility door - Michael W. Pendergrass

How were they blasted out when the aircraft was allegedly confined to the first floor in that area?

Sept. 12, 2001 (no time specified...)


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3783H-169.jpg

Pentagon roof on fire - Bob Houlihan

September 12, 2001 20:43:12PM


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3783H-181.jpg

Pentagon roof on fire - Bob Houlihan

September 12, 2001 20:55:43PM


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-002.jpg

Alternate view into rooms beside collapsed section - Michael W. Pendergrass

September 13, 2001 3:27:22AM? 15:27pm?


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-013.jpg

As above - flag and books not singed or smoke damaged - Michael Pendergrass

September 13, 2001 3:27:25AM? 15:27PM?


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-020.jpg

Facade - looking North - spools - scrap metal - Michael W. Pendergrass

September 13, 2001 3:37:35AM? 15:37PM?


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-009.jpg

Forklift - burnt out cars - Titan - Michael W. Pendergrass

September 13, 2001 4:04:24AM? 16:04PM?


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-008.jpg

Close-up burnt out cars - Michael Pendergrass

September 13, 2001 4:05:59AM? 16:05?


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-019.jpg

View towards heliport fire station - shrapnel marks on heliport - Michael W. Pendergrass

September 13, 2001 4:24:59AM? 16:24PM?


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-023.jpg

Buckled steam vault doors - Michael W. Pendergrass

September 13, 2001 4:23:06AM? 16:23PM?


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-022.jpg

Northern section - trees - Michael W. Pendergrass

September 13, 2001 4:29:18AM? 16:29PM?


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-004.jpg

Flag - (for Imgur image timing) - Michael Pendergrass

September 13, 2001 6:41:45AM? 18:41PM?


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-003.jpg

Flag - (for Imgur image timing) - Michael Pendergrass

September 13, 2001 6:54:01AM ? 18:54PM?


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...N-3235P-010.jpg

Close-up of book on stool - Michael Pendergrass

September 13, 2001 5:48:56AM? - 19:48PM?


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...F-4692S-006.jpg

"One of the inner rings of the Pentagon" - Larry Al Simmons

September 14, 2001 (no time specified)


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...F-4692S-014.jpg

View from inside one of the rooms beside collapsed section - Larry A. Simmons

September 14, 2001 (no time specified)


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...F-8006R-003.jpg

Aeriel view - alleged "gouge" (debunked) on generator trailer - Cedric H. Rudisill

September 14, 2001 (no time specified)


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...F-8006R-006.jpg

Aeriel view - alleged "gouge" on generator trailer - Cedric H. Rudisill

September 14, 2001 (no time specified)


http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/pho...F-8006R-004.jpg

Aeriel view from above centre court to lawn - Cedric H. Rudisill

September 14, 2001 (no time specified)



The following were taken weeks after 9/11 but are very significant IMO

Media circus and Citgo Gas Station:

September 15, 2001 03:12:22PM

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7192/p9150023.jpg

Pentagon partially excavated - lightpole 5 - partial view inside the generator - view of alleged entry point of aircraft (columns still standing where it was supposed to have been "pushed down into the first floor") :

September 29, 2001 11:59:28PM

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/3792/p9290026.jpg

Hi res lightpoles 4 and 5

September 29 (a full 18 days after 9/11???), 2001 12:14:39PM

http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/2489/p9290027.jpg

Hi res lightpole 4 :

September 29, 2001 12:15:01PM

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4571/p9290028.jpg

Time and date not specified:

Overhead view from South - No time specified:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7997/overheadview2.jpg

Northwest area of lawn (opposite heliport) towards ANC - No time specified

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1753/66642987.jpg

Southern collapse area from north - vent doors close up - No time specified

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/3313/66642994.jpg

Columns 9 , 10 , 11 - No time specified

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7481/66642995.jpg

The following image is useful on two fronts.

1) A close up of the "rusted sheet" that was once claimed to have been an "engine" - it's a corrugated door. From where, I can't figure out.

2) A close up of the "markings" to the North of the collapse area that some individuals claim are "left wing impact marks" - must have missed the tree branches in front of it.


No time specified:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8615/66643001.jpg

Heliport windows and frames - shrapnel punctures - No time specified

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4975/66643007.jpg

As above - partial view of inside helipad fire station - No time specified

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3269/66643013.jpg

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Edit - images taken from the Imgur site around 12/13th September.
There is no specific times available but they're useful and maybe at some point in the future I can crossreference them with other images to estimate timeframes.


I know that the majority were taken on the 12th when Bush and Cheney went back to the scene of the crime..

http://www.history.com/photos/9-11-pentagon/photo7

I've added a short description too.


http://i.imgur.com/9JLx0.jpg

(Pentagon facade - collapsed - looking from north)


http://i.imgur.com/WRBEe.jpg

(Facade, collapsed, forklift, firefighters)


http://i.imgur.com/X8mYb.jpg

(Pentagon facade from North - firefighters)


http://i.imgur.com/oI1Ji.jpg

(Northern section, columns 9 and 10, steam vault)


http://i.imgur.com/vxTrs.jpg

(forklift, laying on its side. Above left of the man putting on gloves)


http://i.imgur.com/CZ3hx.jpg

(spools - columns 18 and 19)


http://i.imgur.com/5INS1.jpg

(cars)


http://i.imgur.com/iQCIg.jpg

(upper right roof - firefighters with flag)


http://i.imgur.com/ODKv9.jpg

(pentagon facade- collapsed)


http://imgur.com/XEo79.jpg

(trailer and facade - collapse)


http://i.imgur.com/1yhAv.jpg

(lightpole 3)


http://i.imgur.com/14JKO.jpg

(Pentagon facade - firetrucks - collapse)


http://i.imgur.com/DKDFm.jpg

(Columns 18/19 - Bush/Rumsfeld)


http://i.imgur.com/pUK2i.jpg

(facade collapse - spools)


http://i.imgur.com/qfunM.jpg

(facade from North - heliport)


http://i.imgur.com/ShDuD.jpg

(facade and spools)


http://i.imgur.com/SKOOC.jpg

(pentagon facade - heliport - collapse - firefighters)


http://i.imgur.com/qlL78.jpg

(pentagon facade - from south - collapse - firefighters)


http://i.imgur.com/l4ofm.jpg

(upper right roof - collapse - firefighters)


http://i.imgur.com/mqGgt.jpg

(Pentagon facade - southern section - collapse - 18 and 19)


http://i.imgur.com/OZaJ0.jpg

(pentagon facade - collapse - from north - to roof)


http://i.imgur.com/x4F4Q.jpg

(looking north to firetruck/cars and north of collapse site)


http://i.imgur.com/xgQqS.jpg

(south of collapse zone)


http://i.imgur.com/WvOux.jpg

(pentagon facade - collapse - looking north from south)


http://i.imgur.com/X1ADt.jpg

(North end of heliport tower - van)


http://i.imgur.com/ZxFKc.jpg

(towards collapse area from North - helipad)


http://i.imgur.com/yKY4g.jpg

(pentagon facade - collapse- from North - helipad - firefighters)


http://i.imgur.com/yrYxH.jpg

(pentagon facade - collapse- from North - helipad - firefighters)


http://i.imgur.com/TWYq8.jpg

(heliport - van)


http://i.imgur.com/TCaEM.jpg

(pentagon facade - collapse- from North - firefighters)


http://i.imgur.com/T7dQh.jpg

(cars - lawn - from north - firefighter)


http://i.imgur.com/vLo4w.jpg

(heliport and lawn - towards Route 27)


http://i.imgur.com/uhWea.jpg

(from north of collapse area - partial helipad - firefighters)


http://i.imgur.com/91Kg8.jpg

(upper area - south of collapse zone towards roof)


http://i.imgur.com/ceDnT.jpg

(towards north of heliport)


http://i.imgur.com/0Ppfj.jpg

(from north looking toward south of collapse zone - forklift - lawn)


http://i.imgur.com/3mjMv.jpg

(column 11 collapsed section face - computer)


http://i.imgur.com/hOkZ8.jpg

(pentagon facade - collapse - from North - lawn - helipad)


http://i.imgur.com/jwt8o.jpg

(looking towards colapsed facade - partial helipad -firefighters - FETN cameraman)



Edit - images and timeframes taken from the FEMA site. Photos by Jocelyn Augustino/ FEMA News Photo. Short description added.

http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4297.jpg

(Retaining wall, spool and helipad light - September 12, 2001 12:29:57PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4387.jpg

("Evidence skip" - September 12, 2001 20:13:24PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4381.jpg

(Pentagon facade - September 12, 2001 20:46:12PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4404.jpg

(Generator, spool, fence corner (VIP) - September 12, 2001 21:19:33PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4388.jpg

(Generator, spool, army tent - September 12, 2001 21:19:52PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4307.jpg

(South of collapse area - close up of columns 18 and 19 - floor collapse - September 13, 2001 10:23:26AM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4300.jpg

(Generator fence corner - height - September 13, 2001 10:29:34AM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4438.jpg

(Internal North of columns 9, 10 and 11:- September 13, 2001 17:11:22PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4494.jpg

(Columns 3, 7 and 8 marked outside (car area) - September 13, 2001 17:14:33PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4415.jpg

(Alleged "rotor" - September 13, 2001 17:14:50PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4411.jpg

(As above - September 13, 2001 17:21:22PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4417.jpg

(Main entrance used by rescue workers - column 1A - September 13, 2001 17:21:45PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4418.jpg

(Area behind heliport - tree - scrap metal - September 13, 2001 17:21:49PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4414.jpg

(As above plus pile of metal scrap - September 13, 2001 17:22:06PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4487.jpg

(Columns 2, 3, 4 , 5 , 6 and 7 marked outside - September 13, 2001 17:22:11PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4485.jpg

(North of collapse zone - pile of scrap metal - columns 7 and 8 marked - September 13, 2001 17:22:14PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4484.jpg

(As above - September 13, 2001 17:22:21PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4406.jpg

(Forklift standing (soldiers beside for height reference), Titan firetruck - September 13, 2001 22:16:30PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4403.jpg

(Forklift standing (soldiers beside for height reference), Titan firetruck - September 13, 2001 22:16:34PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4407.jpg

(forklift standing, Titan firetruck - September 13, 2001 - 22:16:35PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4384.jpg

(Heliport - September 13, 2001 20:16:56PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4548.jpg

(View of foundation at columns 10 and 11 - September 14, 2001 08:58:24AM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4545.jpg

(C Ring - September 14, 2001 14:06:07PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4515.jpg

(C Ring - September 14, 2001 16:49:01PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4521.jpg

(Column opposite/adjacent to 11A ,B or C (within collapsed area - leaning forward - September 14, 2001 17:22:05PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4534.jpg

(Column opposite 11AA (within collapsed area) - September 14, 2001 17:24:54PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4535.jpg

(Column 10AA (interior shot) - September 14, 2001 17:28:19PM)



The following is an interesting shot..



http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4529.jpg

(Column 11E (VIP) - September 14, 2001 18:24:03PM)


Now look at the DOD column damage legend and researcher Jim Hoffman's "impact" diagram.

Hoffman

DOD column legend




http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4531.jpg

(View from behind columns 10AA and 11AA - September 14, 2001 18:27:54PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4737.jpg

(Generator (different angle) and spools - September 18, 2001 5:02:27PM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4891.jpg

(Side view of heliport - September 20, 2001 16:26:57AM)


http://www.fema.gov/photodata/original/4821.jpg

(Sideview of excavated south - September 20, 2001 17:30:05AM)

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Moved again?

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2504/debrisfarsouth.jpg

Also found another North of lawn/heliport shot:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/790/heliporttitus.jpg

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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Mar 7 2011, 08:07 AM) *
Continuing from this post,I thought it deserved its own thread. Regarding the Pentagon area after the explosion.

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Dear Onesliceshort.

Very well done, thankyou.
I well appreciate the effort required.
I 'second' your REQUEST for any more images.
From my point of view whether they are considered good quality or not, they all can prove useful.
My email address is LCO02367@bigpond.net.au ---there is lots of capacity.

Can I draw your attention to the last image you posted.
Are you familiar with the wing construction of a Global Hawk?
There is a central section mounted to the fuselage, then the extremity of the long wings extend from this.
These sections of the wing appear to have --'ribbon' -- 'strap' -- tensioners in them, or the wings would droop on the ground, which they just about do, whilst the aircraft is on the ground, especially when the wings are full of fuel.
In flight they appear to adopt quite a lot of 'dihedral' -- guess by the lift generated and the weight of the fuselage.
This is something that be considered in respect to WTC building one, also.

I'm digressing --sorry.

Pentagon.
If these wings were to hit light poles I don't think it would have done them the world of good at all.
In fact it would have converted the aircraft 'more into a shorter winged projectile' for the last part of it's journey, before smacking into things in front of the wall.
What ever the material was it had caught the attention of those in the photograph, who appeared to have been cordoned off.
Would be nice to catch up and have a chat with any of those people.

In the video you have attached where the -- young fella --or he sounded that way-- ran the gauntlet of those who were enjoying throwing their weight around --lol their every where-- he took some image of stuff lying on the road, in front of the cop car and cop 'who was about to give him the message too',
"gutsy little bugger", or perhaps not so little. and why some of them backed off!!, he would be another interesting person to have a chat to.

Better stop, I am getting a bit wound up. lol.

regards and admiration,

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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Mar 6 2011, 04:37 PM) *
Continuing from this post,I thought it deserved its own thread. Regarding the Pentagon area after the explosion.

[snips]

Any more images welcome (particularly hi-res).



This:
http://criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010015.JPG

Where I note that the tree in the foreground, does not seem to have undergone the expected trauma of the kind of winds, we hear, a 767 would have generated.

Anyone?

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QUOTE (Obwon @ Mar 7 2011, 09:43 PM) *
This:
http://criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010015.JPG

Where I note that the tree in the foreground, does not seem to have undergone the expected trauma of the kind of winds, we hear, a 767 would have generated.

Anyone?

Obwon


Hello there Obwon.

Looks in pretty good shape doesn't it.
Could I suggest you have a look at the last image 'onesliceshort' included in his posting.
There are bits of tree there I believe.
Where did they come from??
Your trees 'mate' looks in pretty good shape to me too in another photograph. the nearest trees then are the ones that were in front of the building, the nearest of them near the heliport tower, the other one near the point of impact, got bowled over all together I believe.

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Thanks guys.

Robert, I respect your opinion but I honestly don't believe a Global Hawk or any form of aircraft (whether modified or "disguised") hit the Pentagon. I've gone through witness statements with a fine tooth comb and the only thing I found running through the testimonies in a similar vein is that whatever flew towards it was not on the official directional damage path and couldn't have caused any of the external or internal damage.

For now, I just want this thread to concentrate on (as you rightly say) all images, videos and stills to
get a visual build-up of where this alleged debris was located from the explosion occurred to post collapse of the facade. I just think that hi-res will allow us to have a good snoop around. Just take it slowly! wink.gif

Obwon, I believe that the aircraft entered the lawn area just to the right of that tree based on witness testimony, but it's true, that it appears to be unscathed.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/b...GroupsMap-3.jpg

And the wings allegedly "cutting through" not only the lightpoles, but the 750k generator and steel container?

http://www.hardydiesel.com/used-diesel-gen.../CCAJ00142.html



..housed inside this 750kw diesel generator container (two wheeled but same dimensions)



What happened to the generator that the container allegedly housed?



http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/6.jpg

After these alleged multiple "impacts" before reaching the facade and the alleged actual "right wing impact", why wasn't the alleged 2,000 gallons in the right wing fuel tank sprayed all over the exterior of the area?

Sorry for going sorta OT...

I'm also trying to find images from the area that runs along behind the generator to the heliport too. Those would be very interesting.

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QUOTE (23investigator @ Mar 7 2011, 07:53 AM) *
Hello there Obwon.

Looks in pretty good shape doesn't it.
Could I suggest you have a look at the last image 'onesliceshort' included in his posting.
There are bits of tree there I believe.
Where did they come from??
Your trees 'mate' looks in pretty good shape to me too in another photograph. the nearest trees then are the ones that were in front of the building, the nearest of them near the heliport tower, the other one near the point of impact, got bowled over all together I believe.

regards

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Yes, all quite interesting to be sure. The wing vortex whirls around at about 180 mph for an aircraft that's taking off or landing. I have no figures for an aircraft moving at impact speed, but it's good to note that the aircraft did not vaporize on impact, as many suggested when the pictures later showed little if any debris.

But that aside, looking at the parts of the aircraft pictured on the ground, it appears that the aircraft came apart, before the tail section entered the building? Yet, we don't see the tail section anywhere around. Or did I miss that picture? blink.gif
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In all of these pictures, I don't see any piece of B-757 larger than one or two persons could carry. Where are the wing tips and vertical stabilizer pieces? They are always left over in a crash, no matter how violent.
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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Mar 7 2011, 10:43 AM) *
Thanks guys.

<snips>

Sorry for going sorta OT...

I'm also trying to find images from the area that runs along behind the generator to the heliport too. Those would be very interesting.

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Considering that force 4 or 5 hurricane force winds, should have been swirling and falling to the ground (they can 'bounce' and continue to swirl] following behind the aircraft, the dusty remains should have been striated left to right. Anything loose, caught by those winds, should have been pushed outwards perpendicular to the flight path. Too bad the Pentagon doesn't do flowers, any flowers with petals still on would have been a dead giveaway.

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QUOTE (bobcat46 @ Mar 7 2011, 11:20 AM) *
In all of these pictures, I don't see any piece of B-757 larger than one or two persons could carry. Where are the wing tips and vertical stabilizer pieces? They are always left over in a crash, no matter how violent.


They must have vaporized on impact... Taking the black boxes with them? blink.gif

But we do see pieces of the fuselage, forward of the tail assembly, quite a distance back from the building facade. With the fuselage in a state of disintegration so far back from the building, it's difficult for me [a lay person] to understand how the tail section could have stayed sufficiently aligned, so as to be carried so completely into the building, where it thereafter could not be found. Oh well, I guess stranger things have happened, right? Oh yeah, like at ground zero NYC.

Someone with a degree in physics might be of help in the analysis of these findings, and what they might mean in terms of the impact. I'll venture a guess that this debris distribution will cause them to say: "not possible"! But that's just my offhand guess.

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QUOTE (bobcat46 @ Mar 7 2011, 05:20 PM) *
In all of these pictures, I don't see any piece of B-757 larger than one or two persons could carry. Where are the wing tips and vertical stabilizer pieces? They are always left over in a crash, no matter how violent.


The entire southern area of the lawn to the heliport area contains just one piece of "debris" from all of the images I have found so far taken within minutes of the explosion.

We have to remember that this or any other "debris" has not been identified.

F.B.I. Counsel: No Records Available Revealing ID Process Of Recovered 9/11 Plane Wreckage

The piece that Obwon mentions is also questionable because not only is it "isolated" but because it appears to crop up in different positions (I can't confirm that until I find clearer images of it in respect to the background).

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03879.JPEG

and

http://criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010017.JPG

As regards the physics of it, the OCT has the aircraft on a path contrary to witness reports in the area, travelling at 540mph (ASCE report and gatecam) and that it allegedly penetrated through to "C Ring" in 0.8 seconds (as per Creed and Newman)

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¨It took only eight-tenths of a second for American Airlines Flight 77 to strike the outer wall of the Pentagon, penetrate the concentric E, D and C Rings, collapse upon itself like an accordion and ignite chaos. The jet spewed thousands of gallons of fuel through hallways, offices and meeting rooms inside the nation's premier defense installation -- into every place that airborne mist could go on the wings of an enormous shock wave. A series of explosions sent an ominous mushroom-shaped cloud into the air.¨




The fireball itself took a full 5 seconds to reach full expansion according to the fire report and highly dubious gatecam. So how could a deflagration that didn't reach its peak for 5 seconds and which was claimed to have consisted of 15% of fuel load and initiated outside by the ASCE Report...

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The wing fuel tanks are located primarily within the inner half of the wings.The center of gravity of these tanks is approximately one-third of the wing length from the fuselage. Considering this tank position and the physical evidence of the length of each wing that could not have entered the building, it appears likely that not more than half of the fuel in the right wing could have entered the building. While the full volume of the left wing tank was within the portion of the wing that might have entered the building, some of the fuel from all tanks rebounded upon impact and contributed to the fireball. Only a portion of the fuel from the left and right wing tanks and the center fuselage tank actually entered the building.

Clearly, some of the fuel on the aircraft at impact did not enter the building, either because it was in those portions of the wings that were severed by the impact with the facade or with objects just outside of the building, or because it was deflected away from the building upon impact with the facade; that fuel burned outside the building in the initial fireball.

Based on images captured by the Pentagon security camera, which showed the aircraft approaching and the subsequent explosion and fireball, it is estimated that about 4,900 lb (2,200 kg) of jet fuel was involved in the prompt fire and was consumed at the time of impact outside the building.This leaves about 30,400 lb (13,800 kg) as the estimated mass, M, of the jet A fuel that entered the building and contributed to the fire fuel load within the building.


(I recommend reading all of the passage above, then look at the images above again..)


...have had any effect on the piece above during such a "penetration" through an area twice the length of the aircraft? How could this piece have been blown back against all of the alleged forward motion kinetic energy?

They've made this shit up as they went along.
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QUOTE (Obwon @ Mar 8 2011, 02:36 AM) *
Yes, all quite interesting to be sure. The wing vortex whirls around at about 180 mph for an aircraft that's taking off or landing. I have no figures for an aircraft moving at impact speed, but it's good to note that the aircraft did not vaporize on impact, as many suggested when the pictures later showed little if any debris.

But that aside, looking at the parts of the aircraft pictured on the ground, it appears that the aircraft came apart, before the tail section entered the building? Yet, we don't see the tail section anywhere around. Or did I miss that picture? blink.gif


Dear Obwon.

Perhaps there is another explanation to your concern over the tail assembly.

In the video supplied showing the explosion, there is an object emerging out of the top of the ball of flame.
It is well above the height of the building --'heading east'-- no backhanded pun intended.

Within the various interviews taken, there is one of a medical officer who was involved in rescuing people from inside of the building -- from the 'central garden court' of the complex.
This man read as being very genuine to me.
He made reference to, but went no further in detail, of the tail assembly of an aircraft being in the
'central garden court'.
I have always considered that he would be a very interesting man to speak to.
From the account given of what he and some others did -he seems very courageous.
Nearly ten years have passed since he was spoken to, who knows he may be prepared to speak again.

I respect 'onesliceshort' view of things, but cannot deny the evidence of something looking like the tail assembly of a 'Global hawk' hurtling over the top of the building, nor the evidence of this man.
If the tail assembly he saw in the 'central garden court' was that of a Boeing 757, it could pretty well be assured that we would all of had it stuck up our noses by now, don't you think.

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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Mar 8 2011, 06:22 AM) *
The entire southern area of the lawn to the heliport area contains just one piece of "debris" from all of the images I have found so far taken within minutes of the explosion.

We have to remember that this or any other "debris" has not been identified.

F.B.I. Counsel: No Records Available Revealing ID Process Of Recovered 9/11 Plane Wreckage

The piece that Obwon mentions is also questionable because not only is it "isolated" but because it appears to crop up in different positions (I can't confirm that until I find clearer images of it in respect to the background).

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/Still/2...D-02-03879.JPEG

and

http://criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010017.JPG

As regards the physics of it, the OCT has the aircraft on a path contrary to witness reports in the area, travelling at 540mph (ASCE report and gatecam) and that it allegedly penetrated through to "C Ring" in 0.8 seconds (as per Creed and Newman)



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The fireball itself took a full 5 seconds to reach full expansion according to the fire report and highly dubious gatecam. So how could a deflagration that didn't reach its peak for 5 seconds and which was claimed to have consisted of 15% of fuel load and initiated outside by the ASCE Report...



(I recommend reading all of the passage above, then look at the images above again..)


...have had any effect on the piece above during such a "penetration" through an area twice the length of the aircraft? How could this piece have been blown back against all of the alleged forward motion kinetic energy?

They've made this shit up as they went along.


Dear Onesliceshort.

Thankyou for your kind response.
Yes more photographs are VERY IMPORTANT.
It is healthy that we all continue to carry on with the 'opinions we hold' hoping they will all merge into a consolidated consideration and action.

Regards

Robert.

ps sorry for delay --sleep crept in. hehe
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No probs Robert.

I remembered seeing a thread by a former poster here (SPreston) on the alleged debris in question. The only piece of debris to be found within the entire Southern area of the lawn.

It was taken on 13/9 by Congresswoman Shelley Berkley (D-Nevada) who uploaded it to her website (since removed).

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk43/SP...reliefplmw9.jpg

It's the only photograph of its sort. It wasn't used in the Massaoui trial. Nor in the official Defense Department Pentagon 9-11 book. Nor in any official capacity.

Why was this allegedly left there for 3 days while FBI and others were seen scurrying around in the immediate aftermath "picking" pieces off the lawn? When lines of agents "scoured" the scene and removed "evidence"? Government loyalists don't use it at their sites. Why do they prefer to argue over ambiguous twisted aluminium and alleged parts from the "engine" when they allegedly have a more recognizable chunk of (unidentified) aircraft frame?

Is it the same reason they ignore this alleged damage?



Where does this fit into the scheme of things?? It couldn't have been struck by lightpoles. The only masonry described along Route 27 was "pebble sized".

What sort of force would be necessary to cause the damage? Something extremely heavy, falling from a great height. Nothing of the sort was reported.

The photographer was also responsible for a much publicized image of "debris" that he claimed was a "wing actuator"



They were both allegedly found to the far North of the Pentagon.
This is his "map":



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The guy claims to be a "freelance photographer" who had access to the entire scene while others were lead off in handcuffs or had their cameras removed.


ETA: Obwon, what makes you think that the abovementioned debris is from the fuselage? (Honest question)
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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Mar 7 2011, 10:28 PM) *
No probs Robert.

<snips>

ETA: Obwon, what makes you think that the above mentioned debris is from the fuselage? (Honest question)


Honest Answer: I don't! I start each of my "exercises" by assuming the Official Story to be True! That the "evidence" found is therefore supposed to be in agreement with that story. Then I formulate my questions from there.

Having been at this investigation thingy for quite some time, I know better than to invest in any one theory. Been there, done that, and been brutally disabused of such notions. That comes with the territory of working with theories. Most especially the one I originally was becoming invested in; that the official story was fact, because it was unthinkable, that the alternative could be true.

Yes, fellow readers, I once shrank from "conspiracy theories", like a cat from water, or more like a "bat from fire". The problems became legion when I kept seeing the gov't not providing the proof, they clearly must have obtained. Like any good true story, there are pieces of evidence that could quickly disprove alternative theories. Problem usually is, these pieces aren't found for various reasons. But, in this case, everything else is "found" except the vital pieces that would disprove the alternative theories.

In total, it can't be considered coincidence, when out of 1, 2, 3... N pieces of evidence, where P(nX) is a critical piece that proves the point, but only P(nX-1) and P(nX+1) can be found, but P(nX) can never be found, or if found, cannot be confirmed. That it only gets worse from there, can only confirm that something manipulative is being done. Where nothing of the sort serves the purpose of enhancing the official stories credibility.

In any event, we're way past the point were there is enough good information, to begin the speculation, using hard facts, that leads to creation of a testable alternative theory. But this work must be done by professionals, who are aware of the many subtle things, that in practice permit or preclude a thing from happening in some way.

[off topic] Am I the only one who noticed that the angle of attack of the South Tower plane, is so off center, that a fragile wingtip begins an independent slice into the facade far from the fuselage impact? Or, why isn't an off center angle of attack, wildly aggravated by impact?
Instead the plane goes straight in at the same [off centered] angle.

Anyway, I think I've said enough for now.

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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Mar 7 2011, 10:28 PM) *
<snips>

ETA: Obwon, what makes you think that the abovementioned debris is from the fuselage? (Honest question)


Oops... Just waking up! I see there's another way to interpret the question.

Okay, to be safe I'll just say that it's because of the American Airlines logo fragment on it.

I believe that, if it were a true part from the supposed plane that crashed, it would have been forward of the tail section.

If that is true, then the location of it, outside the building, seems to say that it departed the craft, before the craft was engulfed by the building.

If the above is true, then logically, the already-weak connection, of the tail section to the aircraft, has become even weaker, as the fuselage connection has begun to disintegrate.

If I had to wager on how an aircraft would disintegrate on impact, I'd have to put my money on a "non-uniform" decay.

I believe one has a reason to seriously doubt that a "non-uniform" decay, would result in a symmetrical crash result. Like the tail section continuing on the straight in path, as opposed to flopping around and landing outside, like the fuselage parts ahead of it.

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The "nomadic debris", post collapse... huh.gif


Source

ETA: Precollapse images in and around same area:



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http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/4567/fo...reawidevip1.png

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6972/fo...reawidevip2.png

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6972/foia...reawidevip3.png

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G'day OSS,

That is something that has always made me wonder - that an area without debris is later seen with much debris. Almost as if someone thought "Man, no plane crashed here" and the special effects department went to work. Do you think there is enough material to crop photos to show the same area to the right of the helipad as we look - with before and after shots?
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QUOTE (KP50 @ Mar 8 2011, 11:28 PM) *
G'day OSS,

That is something that has always made me wonder - that an area without debris is later seen with much debris. Almost as if someone thought "Man, no plane crashed here" and the special effects department went to work. Do you think there is enough material to crop photos to show the same area to the right of the helipad as we look - with before and after shots?


G'day KP!

I've been trying to gather images from around the same area and timeframe for each section of the lawn (I need more hi-res images but I'm workin on it) for before and after shots.

The one piece of "debris" in the entire southern section pops up then disappears within minutes. The helipad gradually gets cluttered but I've some good shots that clear the myth up about "scraps of aluminium".

The North contains the larger lettered debris but I'm still working on the timeframes and just where (the f***) they were originally before the FBI started pulling them out of thin air (has to be from behind the heliport AFAIK).

I'm thinking of doing a chronological set of stills in video form to gradually show "before and after". Just going to keep digging for a bit first (you know me..rip the arse clean out of it lol)

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