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post Jun 14 2010, 02:42 AM
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QUOTE (elreb @ Jun 11 2010, 12:22 AM) *
Tnemelckram, Lunk, Tamborine man, Spolter...

If objects in space emit light, reflect light or absorb light...

How does one Star "act or react" to another Star's light?

Does it absorb it , reflect it, or something else?



The planets simply reflect the light-rays from the stars.

Stars are too far from each other, so the rays from these mutually,
will have no particular influence or effect upon each other.

Most rays from our Sun that's not caught by planets etc. are
absorbed by cumulus' of Darkness drifting around in outer space,
or simply absorbed by the ether as they eventually loose their
power or vitality.

Rays from the Sun or other rays consist of particles of various sizes,
and they all have in common that no "point" can exist on their parts
so rays can never collide. (Ref. to new axiom in 'Life after death' thread)!

Thus, Cern's great hadron collider has been an enormous waste of
energy and money; by 10 000 scientists and 10 billion dollars,
for they will never succeed in colliding particles against each other.
And there never existed such a 'thing' as a "big bang".

Oh well, we all have to learn the hard way, i suppose!

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QUOTE (lunk @ Jun 11 2010, 03:25 AM) *
...i hope we aren't scaring off johnlear,
with all these ideas.

They are quite "wild" by comparison to most of which we are told.

i do have a bit of a problem with reincarnation.

Reincarnation, has been used as an excuse for the demise of people.
Like in the notion that, they experienced this retribution,
because of something they did, in a "past life".

That's a pretty lame excuse for accidentally bombing civilians, for instance.

As most people have no recollection of any past life,
doesn't this imply that this excuse should not be used, or even thought of,
for justification of such an event?!

In my humble opinion.



Hi Lunk,
Here's the answer to the question about reincarnation from the transcendental world.

".......
Is reincarnation really necessary? And how is the Law of Retribution applied?


The purpose of reincarnation is to allow human spirits to mature through a gradual and many-sided process to the point that they are able to reject the influence of Darkness in all circumstances of life.

When human spirits undergo their first earthly lives, their spiritual egos—represented by thought and will—are but comparable to the faintest spark of the Light. Their earliest lives on Earth are then little more than a form of passive existence—of becoming accustomed to the human condition. After having undergone some initial incarnations, the spiritual ego begins to react to the guidance of the conscience—the guardian spirit. But it should be obvious that those individuals who stand at a very low spiritual level possess not as sensitive a “conscience” as do those more spiritually advanced. And since the new and the very young spirits predominate in the lower human races, the “spiritual laws” whereby a “savage”, for example, is judged, cannot be equally applied to a member of a civilized society. Savages, embodying very young spirits, are not yet able to respect human life or property. They cannot be judged alike, spiritually, as those humans who, through spiritual and worldly upbringing, have been taught to respect such values but yet, possessing this greater inner depth, still kill and rob. Not until the ego learns to distinguish between “mine” and “thine” and comes to understand the value of human life is there accountability for those sinful actions of whose consequences the ego is then spiritually aware. For the slightest violation of conscience must result in penalty—the necessity to atone. When the ego is aware that a certain act must by nature bring penalty, then that individual of free will breaks the law in committing that act, and by abuse of that freedom becomes subject to the Law of Retribution and cannot evade the consequences. Only full repentance through prayer can bring the forgiveness of God, and only appeals to wronged fellow humans can bring the possibility of their forgiveness and thereby remove the need for severe repercussions.

Human sin can be divided into two chief categories:

1) Sin against God and against the divine within one’s self. Only God can forgive this, and with His forgiveness the guilt of such sin is annulled forever.

2) Sin against others. This is of course also sin against God, but in such instances forgiveness must also come from those wronged before the guilt can be annulled, even though the transgressor already be forgiven by God.

Forgiveness of sin against God or against the “holy”, the divine22 within one’s self, can be obtained while the transgressor yet lives on Earth, if the guilt is fully understood and there is full repentance of the base, evil and unlawful thoughts and actions involved. Belief in the death of atonement of Jesus alters in no way human guilt of sin, and gives no remission of sin to anyone.

If humans cannot admit or repent of sin and guilt during life on Earth they must do so after their mortal departure, since all human spirits are confronted upon awakening in the astral spheres with a recapitulation of their earthly acts. When finally they do repent, God’s forgiveness is immediate and the matter is closed. Atonement is unnecessary, for God’s qualities of mercy and compassion, manifested of His love, stand above the Law of Retribution.

If humans sin against others and, while yet on Earth, admit to such deeds or designs—thus repenting in full—but then are denied forgiveness when they earnestly seek it of those they have wronged, they can be spared repercussion through the power of God’s love and compassion. However, they must in new lives on Earth carry out an act of love for those originally sinned against. But the moment one obtains forgiveness from a fellow human, guilt is annulled without call for future atonement, for human mercy and compassion also transcends the Law of Retribution.

Should anyone wrong another and admit not guilt nor seek forgiveness of the victim while both are yet on Earth, the transgressor will after death be confronted in the beyond with the wrongful act. Then the deed must be meditated upon until finally understanding of its sinful nature comes, and grief and remorse awaken. But often then it is too late to win the victim’s forgiveness. It happens perhaps that the victim does not return from life on Earth during the transgressor’s allotted period for rest and learning. Or the victim may belong in a higher Sphere barred to the transgressor. Or it may happen that the victim returns to the transgressor’s sphere but will not forgive. In such cases, the transgressor must submit to the full severity of the Law of Retribution and atone later on Earth, that is, endure the spiritual or physical suffering drawn to oneself. Through such experience the transgressor learns care so that, if ever again tempted to do similar wrong, it is easier to resist acting against the conscience.

The Youngest are also subject to the Law of Retribution, but they acknowledge their earthly sins much sooner than do humans. Consequently, repentance and forgiveness comes easier to the Youngest who thus mostly avoid the law’s consequences. Yet even in face of a transgressor’s deep remorse it can happen that the victim for a long time refuses to forgive, both in life on Earth and in the astral world. When that happens, the one who refuses forgiveness is incarnated without mission, without service as one of the pioneers of mankind—living as any ordinary human. The transgressor then serves as the guardian spirit during the wronged person’s subsequent incarnations until the wronged one has overcome all anger and hatred. For any who nurture hatred, who are irreconcilable, are of no use to God in the work of love that the Youngest are carrying out on behalf of mankind’s journey toward the Light.

Therefore, while they are yet on Earth all should seek to repent of their errors, of their sinful and criminal thoughts and acts, and in remorse ask forgiveness of God as well as of their fellow beings before their earthly lives close. Much grief and suffering will thereby be prevented. The guidance of the conscience should be heeded closely in all aspects of life, for the more the conscience is disregarded, the more difficult it becomes to follow its advice, its admonitions and its warnings. By yielding to their own desires, their own base inclinations, human beings increase the number of their incarnations.

There is one provision under the Law of Retribution none can avoid except the youngest of human spirits, not yet able to respond to their conscience. Applying to the spiritual ego of humans and the Youngest and Eldest alike, this provision requires that all who commit acts of murder or in some other way cause loss of life of fellow beings, must, in a subsequent incarnation, save from sudden death the same number of lives taken.

However, this provision can be applied in different ways. Those judged and penalized under earthly law have nothing more for which to atone. But since God’s law requires that those who kill must in later incarnations save lives, anyone already punished under earthly law will comply with this provision through an act of love, giving them the protection of God so that they emerge unharmed from the perilous task. Not so for those who have evaded earthly justice. They are protected neither by the guardian spirit nor by God during attempts to save other lives. They never escape some form of harm, such as death, maiming, prolonged illness, burns, or the like. In other words, they must atone for past crimes with their own lives or with bodily suffering. Thus God’s Law of Retribution can in certain cases require a life for a life; however, the earthly courts of law have not a similar right.

Those who as earthly rulers, military commanders, or leaders of the people are indirectly responsible for the loss of great numbers of lives during wars and uprisings or through death penalties, can expiate their guilt in subsequent incarnations by saving a large number of people from impending catastrophe, for example through action to avert man-made or natural disasters, as inventors making safe otherwise dangerous occupations, or as scientists who find ways to prevent or control the diseases that are such a scourge to mankind in so many ways. God Himself ensures through this provision the correct balance between the human lives lost and those lives that in compensation are to be saved from premature or painful death.

The last two means of atonement apply only to the Youngest and partly to the Eldest, since human spirits clearly possess not sufficient spiritual stability to be inventors or scientists in life on Earth.
......."



This is of course just a fraction of what other information
is available on the subject!

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post Jun 14 2010, 01:44 PM
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Tam,

Good show… as I find this conversation to be within my comfort zone. (The Science stuff)

Welcome to the “No Big Bang Zone”.

I find most of your answers “Enlightening”.

I’m very interested in your “Clouds of Darkness” and how they may or may not relate to “Black Planets”.

When light & other electromagnetic forces are absorbed, what happens next?

Are they given off as “Thermal Radiation”?

Also, if rays cannot collide; can they combine?

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Another thought:

A Star forms from a cloud of interstellar medium, mostly hydrogen, that has gathered to a point where the internal gas pressure is not strong enough to prevent or resist “ gravitational collapse” and whose birth is triggered by the shock wave from a supernovae.

Once a Star has converted all of its hydrogen (fuel) into “Iron” its lack of internal pressure cannot resist another round of gravitational collapse and it becomes the next supernovae. That remnant becomes either a “White planet” or a “Black planet”.

As a”Black planet” it will absorb light & any other electromagnetic radiations to the point that it’s mass will generate massive amounts of heat. This heat should (in theory) grow to a point where it will trigger some unknown event that connects it the bigger cycle. (Or recycle)

Lunk has coined this as a “Spore.
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post Jun 14 2010, 07:12 PM
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Space and matter.

Matter is in space,
and there is much space,
within matter, too.

The closer one looks at things, the more space there is,
the farther one looks from things, the more space there is.

i'm pretty sure that the smallest part of a quark, we can discover,
will also contain lots of space,
as sure as the farthest galactic cluster, will, as well.

Space is therefore the container of all matter,
and if matter is made, it is made, through some process, in space.

This pretty much eventually leads to the conclusion,
that matter is made out of space.

...and so are we,
made of that same matter.




Spaced enough yet?
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This is a nice picture except for the big bang part.
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elreb and Lunk,

this is a fascinating subject, and would love to rave on,
but bedtime is calling.
Am in a period of 10 hour working days plus traveling
time of 1 1/2 hours total on top of that each day, so
will see what i can fit in tomorrow!
(Have still not learn'd to 'ignore' "she who must be obeyed"!

Was hoping to expand on this subject in the 'Life after death'
thread later.
But perhaps it is better served in this thread. Will have to
think about that.

Lunk, don't ever forget about the 'ether' - will you!!

Elreb, there's no black planet or white planet.
Please don't 'believe' everything you're told.
Not even from me.
I'll just give you "food for thoughts" as Lunk do to me!

I want to bring in "the pistol star", so please look it up
if you don't already know the story; just so i know you
already know!

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The following is a picture of a white planet, see arrow.




The following link talks a little about the “Dog Star” solar system and where intelligence came from 13,000 years ago. I do not agree with the Atlantis connection but “Aliens from Xylanthia” are a good start and puts us back into John Lear’s court.

http://xylanthia.com/

Earth is a “White Planet” and the result of the “No Big Bang Zone”. Planets do no grow out of thin air! It takes about 14 billion years to create a baby planet.

For the record: “Doggerland” was Atlantis. This goes back to Lunk’s expanding planet.

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146412048

The United Kingdom was the higher ground and much older than Egypt.


It is just a coincidence that “Doggerland” and “Dog Star” match and that dog spelled backwards = god.

Canis is a genus of dogs, wolves and jackals and it was Cain who killed his brother Abel.

The Jackal headed god of afterlife was Anubis whose home town was Cynopolis (Greek for "city of the dog")

Anu was the sky god. I can go on and on. In fact “On” was the town of “Anu”. The word NEW is derived from “Anu”.

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The following picture is a “teaspoon of sand” in the Ocean of the Milky Way Galaxy.

In it’s center is the "Pistol Star".

Our Galaxy is a grain of sand in our Universe.

And we are the “Only humans”?

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Links to other threads
alluded to, or mentioned,
in this one:
(consider these, in the category of theory, conjecture, or works in progress,
...and possibly, a little off topic)


Alternate analysis of our universe.
Inside The Whole Black Sparkly Universe:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19284

Alternate analysis of geological history.
Plate Tectonics And Continental Drift:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=12145

Alternate analysis...?
Life After Death!:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19879
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Lunk…

I get your point but how to you separate the guts?

Tnemelckram’s 10 dimensional “String Theory” observes that all things are connected.

Your…Lunk’s expanding planets & Black planet spores are connected.

JohnLears UFOs & Aliens are connected. Keep in mind that is was he who took this to outer-space.

Tamborine Man works well if he stays on Cosmology & Science.

Religion needs to be removed to another thread somewhere between L. Ron Hubbard and Robert A. Heinlein.

It’s up to you if you want to separate all this stuff. But how do you blend it back together?

Little did I know that the Xylanthia motherland was in Paia, Maui!
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QUOTE (elreb @ Jun 15 2010, 01:56 AM) *
Lunk…

I get your point but how to you separate the guts?

Tnemelckram’s 10 dimensional “String Theory” observes that all things are connected.

Your…Lunk’s expanding planets & Black planet spores are connected.

JohnLears UFOs & Aliens are connected. Keep in mind that is was he who took this to outer-space.

Tamborine Man works well if he stays on Cosmology & Science.

Religion needs to be removed to another thread somewhere between L. Ron Hubbard and Robert A. Heinlein.

It’s up to you if you want to separate all this stuff. But how do you blend it back together?

Little did I know that the Xylanthia motherland was in Paia, Maui!



Elreb,
just to clear up your little misconception:

What we're talking about here, and in the 'Life after death' thread,
has absolutely nothing to do with 'religion', but everything to do
with what is facts.

Either we survive 'death' or we don't. It's as simple as that.
It's simply a question of either-or. Full stop.

If you're a sceptic or ardent atheist in this life, there's absolutely
no reason to believe that you would all of a sudden change your
views when you arrive in the transcendental world after this your
earthly life ends. You would still be a 'atheist' no doubt.
Catholics will still be catholics. Muslims will still be muslims. You
will still be you. Nothing much will change in this regard.

So no, elreb. It has nothing to do with you 'finding yourself sitting
on a white cloud playing the harp', or 'the seat on the right side of
god'.

We have long last moved on from this idiotic picture, and you owe
us the courtesy to consider us a little more mature and intelligent
than what your comment above implies.

Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm saying this with much love
and with only goodness in mind.

I'll bring up a new view of 'cosmology' in the 'Life after death' thread,
as this is where it really belongs.

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Tam,

Truth is said to be the agreement of fact and reality.

I am a privately funded investigative researcher commissioned to “Boil Down” information and segregate truth, fact and reality from opinion.

Fundamentally, I am a ghost editor for other writers.

The bulk of this thread is opinion and nothing should be accepted as fact until it is fully analyzed by each member.

I could not give “Merit” to your opinion until the data is verified.

I am “Neither” a skeptic, atheist nor a mis-guided “Bible Thumper”.

On the one hand, you present yourself as a “No Big Banger”, yet do not appear to accept the fact that Stars evolve into Planets.

By you own admission, you are 3D and all humans came from the “Blue Planet”.

This view is extremely narrowed minded and can only be regarded as “Personal Belief” and not fact!

Elementary particles, stars, planets and all other 4D representations are related and have most of their foundation basics in common.

“You owe us the courtesy to consider us a little more mature and intelligence than what your comment above implies”!


Tam, I really do like you when you talk “Science”. But...

Who is “US”? Please forward “US” to your website!
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QUOTE (elreb @ Jun 17 2010, 05:45 PM) *
I am a privately funded investigative researcher commissioned to “Boil Down” information and segregate truth, fact and reality from opinion.

Elreb,
Mind if i volunteer the question,
does "Segregate truth, fact and reality from opinion",
pertaining to anything, or subject, that you have been asked to look into specifically?

Like, aviation, history, the cosmos, people, space-age technology, oil slicks, etc?
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Lunk,

“Pilots for Truth” is a hobby of mine and not a project.

I actually promote it and have ever since becoming a member. You will find this as a fact on one of my websites.

My client list is mostly into Western History but does include ancient history (egypt), mechanical engineering, auto mechanics, Income tax laws, and I also have several “Outer Space” projects in the works that are mostly fiction.

Note: We call it fiction only because it sells better than Reality…you know the “Dog Star” - Atlantis stuff!

I also edit Wikipedia every now and again.

I have gained much knowledge & insight from listening to you and Tnemelckram, much of which I was unaware of before and thank you both greatly.

This expanded wisdom will be included in future literally works.

It is an uphill battle fighting the forces of “Ignorance” and getting “Reality” on the table. I’m clueless why Tam wants to start a conflict?


Post Script:
John Lear did ask that we purchase a copy of Pari Spolter’s book “Gravitational Force of the Sun". This I did. I actually received a “Review Copy”. This book will be closely examined and if found to have merit, will receive my backing.

It is critical to understand that Pari’s greatest denouncers…never read the book but they cast the first stone.

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QUOTE (elreb @ Jun 15 2010, 10:45 PM) *
Tam,

Truth is said to be the agreement of fact and reality.

I am a privately funded investigative researcher commissioned to “Boil Down” information and segregate truth, fact and reality from opinion.

Fundamentally, I am a ghost editor for other writers.

The bulk of this thread is opinion and nothing should be accepted as fact until it is fully analyzed by each member.

I could not give “Merit” to your opinion until the data is verified.

I am “Neither” a skeptic, atheist nor a mis-guided “Bible Thumper”.

On the one hand, you present yourself as a “No Big Banger”, yet do not appear to accept the fact that Stars evolve into Planets.

By you own admission, you are 3D and all humans came from the “Blue Planet”.

This view is extremely narrowed minded and can only be regarded as “Personal Belief” and not fact!

Elementary particles, stars, planets and all other 4D representations are related and have most of their foundation basics in common.

“You owe us the courtesy to consider us a little more mature and intelligence than what your comment above implies”!


Tam, I really do like you when you talk “Science”. But...

Who is “US”? Please forward “US” to your website!



Hi elreb,

it sounds as if you're thinking i was addressing you personally with regards
to being a skeptic or atheist or catholic or muslim etc., so i better make it
clear that it was meant to be understood only in general terms including all
of mankind in a universal context.
I should have used the word "one" instead of "you" which would have made
it much more clear, so i apologize for the misunderstanding i caused.

It is true that i don't except that stars (suns) "evolve" into planets, but i certainly
except the fact that most planets are offsprings of centre suns (stars) and which
they either directly or indirectly have been ejected or erupted from.

You wrote:
"By you own admission, you are 3D and all humans came from the “Blue Planet”. "

Actually i'm more of a 4D person than anything else, and i don't know what you
mean by "Blue Planet", so with your comment above you must mistake me for
someone else, i think!!

By 'us', i meant of course me and Lunk, and nobody else!

I just read that you are dealing with ancient egyptian history, so if you're also
interested in the Great Pyramid i hope you'll take a look at the drawings in the
'Life after death' thread, as i would be rather interested in your views of them?

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Tam you had originally stated:

“The Earth is the ONLY planet in the universe, in our 3-dimensional world that is occupied with intelligent life”.

I got the term “Blue Planet” from the film produced by the IMAX Space Technology Corporation for the Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum, as well as Lockheed Corporation and filmed with the cooperation of NASA.

Partially filmed from orbit during space shuttle missions, the film is about the planet Earth.

In effect the Earth is the “Blue Planet”.

You also stated that:

“Every human-being survives 'death', and returns to his or her abode in the 4-dimensional 'transcendental' world”.

I have no problem with that as long as we separate “Realism” from Idealism”. The question beckoned is whether “Space” and “Time" are things, dimensions or something unknown?

It is my personal belief that the 4th dimension is "Time" which means you are still alive.

Now…that said…if you push up to the 5th dimension which I believe to be “Beyond Time”, then we could be on the same page.

But putting all that aside, I must now “Thank You”, as I have (due to this conversation) discovered a princess from Xylanthia who just happens to live on my Island.

I will indeed study on your “Great Pyramid”.

And…so what are your thoughts about the “Pistol Star” or Atlantis being “Doggerland”?
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QUOTE (elreb @ Jun 19 2010, 07:59 PM) *
Tam you had originally stated:

“The Earth is the ONLY planet in the universe, in our 3-dimensional world that is occupied with intelligent life”.

I got the term “Blue Planet” from the film produced by the IMAX Space Technology Corporation for the Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum, as well as Lockheed Corporation and filmed with the cooperation of NASA.

Partially filmed from orbit during space shuttle missions, the film is about the planet Earth.

In effect the Earth is the “Blue Planet”.

You also stated that:

“Every human-being survives 'death', and returns to his or her abode in the 4-dimensional 'transcendental' world”.

I have no problem with that as long as we separate “Realism” from Idealism”. The question beckoned is whether “Space” and “Time" are things, dimensions or something unknown?

It is my personal belief that the 4th dimension is "Time" which means you are still alive.

Now…that said…if you push up to the 5th dimension which I believe to be “Beyond Time”, then we could be on the same page.

But putting all that aside, I must now “Thank You”, as I have (due to this conversation) discovered a princess from Xylanthia who just happens to live on my Island.

I will indeed study on your “Great Pyramid”.

And…so what are your thoughts about the “Pistol Star” or Atlantis being “Doggerland”?


Many thanks for your clarification,elreb.

Just a few comments:

Dimensions are solely determined by the size of particles. This goes also for the 4-dimension.

The concept of 'time' is absolute relative and therefore cannot be used within the confines of

"true reality"; which is really what we should be talking about when it comes to it.

Another thing is, that no human being can "die", and therefore all survives "death".
As human beings have been on this Earth for around 5 million years (4 million years as intelligent
beings), and have in this period continually produced new offsprings, the total number of human
beings in existence is more than staggering; it is beyond human imagination. No computer no matter
how big, will ever be able to calculate this number.
those human beings who no longer need to reincarnate on Earth are brought to Light worlds in a
higher dimension where Darkness cannot exist, far away from our 3-dimensional imperfect globe.

In a true sense one cannot separate realism (reality) from idealism (the ideal) as these terms are
inextricable connected. This fact can of course only become apparent in the moment true reality
is reached by the individual, where then realism and idealism melt together as one.

I will bring up the pistol star in the "life after death' thread, together with new knowledge about
'Atlantis', as well as an emotional incarnation account from this Island.

A'm looking much forward to your comments re. The Great Pyramid!

Cheers

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