Wtc Data Faked In Conspiracy To Mislead Research, Deception and collusion void truth quest? Options

[Christophera]

Basic proof exists that FEMA, guiliani, and major researchers into the Twin Towers demise has been faked to sabotage research.

CIRCUMSTANCE 1:
Cheney was appointed head the "Office of National Preparedness" of FEMA after gwb was selected as pres in 2000. FEMA is not created under the US Constitution

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...urity%20Council

May 9, 2001
Bush Taps Cheney to Study Antiterrorism Steps
By FRANK BRUNI
Pres Bush acknowledges growing concern about nation's vulnerability to terrorist attacks, and instructs Vice Pres Dick Cheney to head special group to study topic; creates new Office of National Preparedness within Federal Emergency Management Agency, which will be devoted to making sure country is ready in particular to recover from any use of weapons of mass destruction on American soil

Other links on this matter.
http://causticlogichub.blogspot.com/2007/0...911-effort.html
http://www.legitgov.org/essay_kane_fema_te...ill_102904.html


CIRCUMSTANCE 2:
Guiliani took the WTC documents which must include the plans for both towers from city offices in December of 2000. Basically illegal, and the NYC courts will not recognize, follow and uphold federal Freedom of Information laws.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020224015919/...hive020602.html


CIRCUMSTANCE 3:
Silversteins Office leaked supposed plans of WTC 1 to Steven Jones.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/wt...istleblower.htm


CIRCUMSTANCE 4:
After downloading the plans I examined them to find that the resolution of the scan had been destroyed making very few of the dimensions legible. Detail bullets are also not legible. And examination of the title block and revision table revealed an anomaly which cannot be an accident or error of the scan process.

Two aspects stand out in the below zoom of the revision table of AA.141.tiff of the downloadable digital scan files.

1. The characters in the initial table below ARE NOT of the alphabet
2. The perfectly straight pixilation of the characters is not possible with a scan of a pencil drawing.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/planimages/gwtc1rev.tab141.anoma.DBL.gif)

Other files have similar anomalies in the digital files.

AA.99.tiff

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/planimages/gwtc1rev.tab99.anoma.gif)

AA.140.tiff

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/planimages/gwtc1rev.tab140.anoma.gif)


Further


CIRCUMSTANCE 5:
in 2005 I called Steven Jones at his lab office and explained to him that I saw a documentary in 1990 titled, "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" and that it detailed for around 1 hour of its 2 hour length, a steel reinforced cast concrete core. I also explained some of the MAJOR clues to how the demolition was achieved that were inadvertently a part of the documentary.


CIRCUMSTANCE 6:
No discussion of the concrete core is allowed in the "General" forum of stj911 and must be posted in the "Controversial theories" forum.
Additionally I am banned from posting in the "Scientific Analysis" at stj911. Even though when I was posting there I found 2 engineers, neither of them structural, discussing the appearance of a wiggly, light colored object about 3/8 inch wide trying to determine if it was "detonation wire". From my experience in demolition I recognized it immediately as unraveled steel flexible, electrical conduit.
I have 35 years experience as a welder, 27 years as an equipment operator who has done demolition and steel salvage, 22 years experience as a surveyor and draftsman reading concrete construction plans and working with contractors doing layout for concrete construction.


CIRCUMSTANCE 7:
I called Janice Matthews, executive director of 911truth.org to explain the faked structural date and shes asks what Richard Gage thinks of the concrete core.

I was a member of the http://ae911truth.org/community/ message board and tell her that Richard Gage has never posted comments or questions regarding the concrete core.

I explained the only thing I've ever found where Richard Gage has even mentioned the concrete core. Posted at chemtrailcentral.com when I was searching for discussion relating to my 2 part 9-11 video, Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I and find this posts at chemtrails.com.

From: "Richard Gage" <rgage@ae911truth.org>  
To: marklookingup@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Core columns
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 06:10:46 -0700

Mark,

Very few people in the 9/11 Truth movement, if any,
agree with Christopher
Brown. I believe his thesis is a dead end. The
construction photos are
clear that the core columns are steel all the way up.

Richard

So why didn't Gage post such photos on ae911 if "The
construction photos are
clear that the core columns are steel all the way up."?

Any, Janice Matthews must have called Richard Gage and asked him what he thought. Two days later I was banned from ae911truth.org.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/images/gage.email.ban.notice.jpg)

Both Jones and Gage promote the plans. ae911truth.org has links to them and the moderator at STJ911 has an article here, inundating the 9-11 truth movement with what can be convincingly be shown to be false data.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20070411225804433



CIRCUMSTANCE 8:
Graphic evidence comparison

FEMA's only depiction of the core, which, absurdly, had to have been the only thing used by NIST, is this diagram.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/femacore.gif)

The below is an image of the WTC 2 core.
NOTE:All of the images below show the core area. Examine them for steel core columns protruding that resemble the above diagram.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)

Another image showing the spire, which is off the northwest corner of WTC 1 as a column of the exterior steel framework. The image shows what must be an end view of a broken steel reinforced cast concrete shear wall to the left.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1spirecorewall.jpg)

The following is an image of the north core wall of WTC 1. To the right of the interior box column, obviously outside the core, left of the stairway, appears to be a very thick concrete wall with tight dark coils coming from the top. That would be special high tensile steel rebar extending from the foundation..

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corecorneralt3.gif)

Direct and circumstancial evidence show there were no steel core columns in the core area and that what was actually there was a steel reinforced rectangular, cast concrete tube.

What the deception of the fake plans means to demolition is here.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=9953

Clearly if FEMA misrepresents, NIST uses the misrepresentation and guiliani prevents clarification while Jones and Gage disseminate Silversteins fakes, a conspiracy spans government, the truth movement and misleads the public quest for truth.

This post has been edited by Christophera: Nov 21 2007, 01:07 AM

[Carl Bank]

Chris? Hello?

Don't you have a controversial 4-pages-thread about this already?

Shall I merge them? I mean, you just added some more info,
but it is still the same. And it still belongs to the "Alternate Theories"-forum.

Posting the same stuff all over the place got a 4-letter-word as an expression-
It starts with "S" and ends with "pam".


and "BS" ends with: Carl

(moving to alternate)

[Christophera]

Chris? Hello?

Don't you have a controversial 4-pages-thread about this already?

Shall I merge them? I mean, you just added some more info,
but it is still the same. And it still belongs to the "Alternate Theories"-forum.

Posting the same stuff all over the place got a 4-letter-word as an expression-
It starts with "S" and ends with "pam".


and "BS" ends with: Carl

(moving to alternate)

Please indicate where I've presented BS and provide some proof as well.


It is logical that researchers should know about this conspiracy which presents fraudulent information to them. And it is proven adequately in this thread to term it such.

"Circumstances" are too numerous to term it otherwise.

This thread is about research data and its veracity. The other thread is about demolition.

This thread consolidates a few items that are in the other thread and has none of the demolition aspects found there.

This post has been edited by Christophera: Nov 20 2007, 08:26 PM

[georgie101]

Please indicate where I've presented BS and provide some proof as well.

He didn't. But that really is a matter of opinion.

What Carl is saying is that posting the same stuff you have posted before, in another thread is spam.

Spam = B.S = Carl. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Carl Bank]

Please indicate where I've presented BS and provide some proof as well.

Chris, don't get me wrong.

Some Admins already adviced you not to post these
threads in other forums. We certainly respect your views
and theories, but please follow the board rules.

And for the theory:

It is possible, that the WTC's core was more (or less) then we
all know. In fact, we "know" not much about it compared to
what we know about the flight data recorders. This is because
this forum is Pilots for 9/11 Truth, not Architects and Engeneers for 9/11 truth.

The fact that you have been banned over there might be caused
by the circumstance, that you cannot provide the original footage
of that VHS documentary you are constantly referring to.

So, please consider that we have been assaulted from many shills,
disinfo agents, cointelpro agents, govt. loyalist trolls and even plain
agressive nutjobs. Due to this, we are very aware of disinfo in every
shape or fashion, and your theory simply lacks resources and
support from the specialists, aka ae911truth.org .

I dont want to scare you away or forbit you to write about your
theory here. But I try to make sure that this forum stays the best
backed up info source for 9/11 on the net. Your theory is appreciated
for this matter. What is not appreciated is, that it is all over the place,
so that dropping in newbies stumble upon it and simply dismiss the whole
9/11 thing as "too far fetched".


€0.02: Carl

[Christophera]

Please indicate where I've presented BS and provide some proof as well.

Chris, don't get me wrong.

Some Admins already adviced you not to post these
threads in other forums.

THESE THREADS Do you mean thread that question official information that posters here are using without question? Or, do you mean threads that have feasible explanations for these 5 phenomena?
free fall
total pulverization
superfine, heated particulate
smooth, square cut column ends x the 1,000's
heavy steel assemblies heaved hundreds of feet

We certainly respect your views
and theories, but please follow the board rules.

I believe I have and I've asked for proof that I have not.

And for the theory:

It is possible, that the WTC's core was more (or less) then we
all know. In fact, we "know" not much about it compared to
what we know about the flight data recorders.

What you know about FDR's is that they are not the ones on the planes in question.

This is because this forum is Pilots for 9/11 Truth, not Architects and Engeneers for 9/11 truth.

I'm not posting issues of rocket scine or brain surgery. These are fairly simple material idenification issues and issues of circumstance regarding coverup.

The fact that you have been banned over there might be caused by the circumstance, that you cannot provide the original footage
of that VHS documentary you are constantly referring to.

If I can use the information from the 1990 documentary "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" to make materials indentifications that are consistent with images of 9-11 and logic as it relates to engineering or architectural basis, the is ABSOLUTELY no reason to ban me. Every single person who did post in the thread at ae911truth.org was basically satisfied with my responses to their criticisms. Or did not voice otherwise.

So, please consider that we have been assaulted from many shills, disinfo agents, cointelpro agents, govt. loyalist trolls and even plain
agressive nutjobs. Due to this, we are very aware of disinfo in every
shape or fashion, and your theory simply lacks resources and
support from the specialists, aka ae911truth.org .

Ever consider how familiar I am with disinformation? One guy on 30 different boards in 5 years. Check the thread at the govt loyalist site,

http://govtloyalistsite.org/showthread.php?t=57426

Where there are 11,000 + posts. They were so without means to logically defeat my assertions about the towers structure they produced a massive ad hominum video attack.

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=...&rel=1&border=0

That board actually had some of the most technically adept people I've ever confronted and I dominated their efforts with evidence which shows concrete. Plain and simple. I can show concrete in the core area, they can show nothing.

The specialists you indicate are promoting fake plans and I've proven they are fake with circumstancial evidence and more, actual material evidence. If you are really interested in 9-11 truth you'll find a constrcution worker to look at the images. They can tell you if it is concrete or steel. One does not need to be an engineer to know these visual differences.

I dont want to scare you away or forbit you to write about your
theory here. But I try to make sure that this forum stays the best
backed up info source for 9/11 on the net. Your theory is appreciated
for this matter. What is not appreciated is, that it is all over the place,
so that dropping in newbies stumble upon it and simply dismiss the whole
9/11 thing as "too far fetched".

€0.02: Carl

Meaning you would be compliant to hitlers "big lie" concept rather than use the circumstance I provide which logically says that as soon as the US government began to take part in "Mutually Assured Destruction" policy during the cold war, the secrecy associated with it was completely suspect. And you would do that to "protect" the newbie or the "movement".

Carl, I appreciate your efforts to explain yourself. I know this is a friendly gesture. However, I would ask that you place yourself in my position.

I actually did view that documentary in 1990 and it did contain exactly what I remember and present. I do have the background I claim and the 5 phenomena associated with the Twins on 9-11 that I can explain are real. I have personally posted at least 30,000 messages in an effort to protect my childrens futures by protecting the US Constitution, the integrity of this republic, and I'm still doing it ALONE because,

Hitler was right about the" big lie" and the infiltration of the US government is successfully using his concepts here and everywhere on the web.

and, you (along with many others), by following your human nature, which hitler depended on, the infiltration of our government depends on, are making hitlers concept work, ........... again.

I'm working against it.

I posted a thread in "North Tower" about the design of WTC 1 and how the design is intrinsically realted to its demolition and it is moved to "alternative theories". If I am correct and the concrete core is integral to the demolition of WTC 1, the concrete core and demolition cannot be separated and still make sense.

I posted a thread in "Research" about fake data and it was moved to "Alternative Theories". If I am correct and the plans are altered, or "fake" then every moment researchers spend trying to use the information is wasted.

I have "backed up" every claim I've made. It is up to others to use "back up", or evidence, not assertions of others, to discredit my assertions. Not fears of being "too far fetched".

These are 'social fears" and the success of hitlers "big lie" depends on them.

I was banned for a post mentioning "social fears", here.

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2183

What am I supposed to think?

This post has been edited by Christophera: Nov 21 2007, 12:45 PM

[Carl Bank]

Chris,

I can imagine being in your shoes, posting something
all over the movement's web, but nobody jumps onto it.

As you will certainly recognize when you read around here,
most people here are openminded and have no problems with
you. Neither do I. The thing is, and maybe I didn't adress this
properly in my last response, that most people also think
politically here.
What means: It is enough evidence at hand to proove the
gouvernement lied about 9/11, it is even enough to proove that
9/11 was an inside job. But is crucial to make the common
sheople be aware of this first. All conspiracy that was
way behind or before 9/11 is distracting from this goal.

We cannot wake up sheople to 9/11 starting with things
like your theory. It is like starting with the History of the
Bank of England or the Crusades or the Knight Templars.
The event and the day itsselve is enough to bring us one
step further to the public awareness of 9/11 being an inside job.
Once this is acomplished, the sheople will be more openminded
to the basic conspiracies. But for now, 9/11 is enough to chew on for
the masses. This might be another reason why you go round in circles
with this - btw. very interesting - theory. But, as I mentioned:
Interesting for me and all the informed members of this board.
For the average Joe it sounds something like tinfoilhat wearing.

Sorry, Chrisl. I can understand you and I hope you understand me
when I put it in a short form: You can't jump the gun!


Carl

[Christophera]

Chris,

I can imagine being in your shoes, posting something
all over the movement's web, but nobody jumps onto it.

As you will certainly recognize when you read around here,
most people here are openminded and have no problems with
you. Neither do I. The thing is, and maybe I didn't adress this
properly in my last response, that most people also think
politically here.
What means: It is enough evidence at hand to proove the
gouvernement lied about 9/11, it is even enough to proove that
9/11 was an inside job. But is crucial to make the common
sheople be aware of this first. All conspiracy that was
way behind or before 9/11 is distracting from this goal.

We cannot wake up sheople to 9/11 starting with things
like your theory. It is like starting with the History of the
Bank of England or the Crusades or the Knight Templars.
The event and the day itsselve is enough to bring us one
step further to the public awareness of 9/11 being an inside job.
Once this is acomplished, the sheople will be more openminded
to the basic conspiracies. But for now, 9/11 is enough to chew on for
the masses. This might be another reason why you go round in circles
with this - btw. very interesting - theory. But, as I mentioned:
Interesting for me and all the informed members of this board.
For the average Joe it sounds something like tinfoilhat wearing.

Sorry, Chrisl. I can understand you and I hope you understand me
when I put it in a short form: You can't jump the gun!


Carl

I'm familiar with your point. Most who are not interested in explaining how the towers were brought down feel the same way.

There is a serious flaw in the reasoning. Correction, fatal flaw. We will not get the truth if that is our approach and we have not and we really are no closer than 5 years ago no matter how we feel within our ranks.

I assert that promoting the "inside job" or demolition but being unable to explain its methods cannot expand the movement, which is exactly what you propose ignoring the methods will do. What your approach effects is that those who will tend to believe that the gov could be infiltrated and do such a thing, will go along easily without explanation. However, those who tend to NOT believe that the gov can do such, will never be swayed without a credible explanation of HOW.

Those who tend to believe as you and I, are vastly outnumbered by those who tend not to believe and infiltration could conduct an "inside job".
Meaning we get warm happy feelings, but our work does not go past our
ranks.

You will be surprised at what a feasible explanation which is agreed upon as reasonable by reasonable people, ......... reasonably will do to those who sit around being comfortably ignorant when they witness the agreement.

So, accordingly, reasonably I ask, and I reasonably expect and answer, WHY is it okay to believe FEMA when their information cannot provide an explanation of HOW the phenomena of 9-11 were caused to happen?

I will add that many people NOT of the truth movement are aware of a few of those 5 phenomena and that they really are not inherent to the effects of collapse.

ON EDIT:
Carl,
I found this in another thread and quote you hear because what you say is so relevant to this thread. Moreso than where I found it.

You will find out after you read around in this forum,
that we try not to offer "Theories" but just to collect facts.

It is a fact that the plans are faked and that they are being promoted by the quasi leadership of the truth movement. Proven by circimstancial evidence and material evidence.

This post has been edited by Christophera: Nov 21 2007, 04:01 PM

[lunk]

"Wired," everyone says that the buildings must have been
wired with explosives/thrermite/thermate or something.
The key word here is "wired" or "pre-wired."
Yes, if explosives were used they would have needed to
be set off sequentially, but why imply that they used wires?
The charges could have been rigged wireless and
triggered by a radio signal with the same effect.
There are also technologies such as non-electrical
detonation (NED), that uses air pressure for the
triggered sequence.

Beware of wires.

imo, lunk

[Christophera]

Good point Lunk, and there is evidence showing such a sytem employed to deal with the core which had thick concrete walls requiring some real time to reach explosives cast in the the concrete a a coating on the rebar. There were reports of long lines at elevators right after the towers were leased due to elevator maintenance, supposedly.

"Wired," everyone says that the buildings must have been
wired with explosives/thrermite/thermate or something.
The key word here is "wired" or "pre-wired."
Yes, if explosives were used they would have needed to
be set off sequentially, but why imply that they used wires?
The charges could have been rigged wireless and
triggered by a radio signal with the same effect.
There are also technologies such as non-electrical
detonation (NED), that uses air pressure for the
triggered sequence. 

Beware of wires.

imo, lunk

Because of the powerdown on the weekend before,

Powerdown

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/108539.php

According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place. Forbes, who was hired by Fiduciary in 1999 and is now stationed at a U.K. branch office, was working on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, and said that his company was given three weeks advance notice that New York’s Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th floor up. The reason: the Port Authority was performing a cabling upgrade to increase the WTC’s computer bandwidth.

Forbes stated that Fiduciary Trust was one of the WTC’s first occupants after it was erected, and that a “power-down” had never been initiated prior to this occasion. He also stated that his company put forth a huge investment in time and resources to take down their computer systems due to the deliberate power outage. This process, Forbes recalled, began early Saturday morning (September 8th) and continued until mid-Sunday afternoon (September 9th) – approximately 30 hours. As a result of having its electricity cut, the WTC’s security cameras were rendered inoperative, as were its I.D. systems, and elevators to the upper floors.

and the presence of a complete wiring system in the building as the towers security phone lines, and a tell tale security breach in from a VERY suspicious source,

WTC Security Breach and airports.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

Washington, D.C. WASHINGTON, Jan 19, 2003 -- A company that provided security at New York City's World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport in Washington, D.C., and to United Airlines between 1995 and 2001, was backed by a private Kuwaiti-American investment firm with ties to a brother of President Bush and the Bush family, according to records obtained by the American Reporter.

Marvin P. Bush, a younger brother of George W. Bush, was a principal in the company from 1993 to 2000, when most of the work on the big projects was done. But White House responses to 9/11 have not publicly disclosed the company's part in providing security to any of the named facilities, and many of the public records revealing the relationships are not public.

Nonetheless, public records reveal that the firm, formerly named Securacom, listed Bush on its board of directors and as a significant shareholder. The firm, now named Stratesec, Inc., is located in Sterling, Va., a suburb of Washington, D.C., and emphasizes federal clients. Bush is no longer on the board.

Marvin Bush has not responded to repeated telephoned and emailed requests for comment on this story.

It is very reasonable to accept that the security phone lines were used for distribution of detonation signals.

The obvious multiple delays used,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5860825099435530591&q=5860825099435530591&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

do show a need for extensive distribution.

Because of the WTC 2 concrete core standing for some seconds after the exterior steel has fallen away,

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)

it is reasonable to consider that there was a secondary distribution system that did not employ electric blasting caps where detonators had to be set months before using a NED system. One of those systems, a gas flame system, has an indeterminate time lag which could explain the core standing.

The mass of detonators, as evaluated by the above video shows that the floors required the most separate initiation systems and so the security phones lines would be used there with electric caps for speed and precision and the powerdown the weekend before provides a safer window in time for installation of electric caps near the day of usage, increasing security of the operation as electric caps can be detonated by radio waves from cell phones or other RF devices.

I doubt radio distribution of detonation signal because stray signals can cause inadvertant actions. However, there is a decent possibility the planes had transmitters that worked with proximity detectors in the towers to trigger balsts in the basements at impact or just before. Such action would serve as a distraction, confusion aspect in later analysis and also divide up the seismic signal.

This post has been edited by Christophera: Nov 27 2007, 01:24 PM

[amazed!]

A very plausible explanation for the 30 hour power down.

I guess we don't know if a similar power down took place in the other tower because nobody has stepped forth like Scott Forbes?

[Christophera]

A very plausible explanation for the 30 hour power down.

I guess we don't know if a similar power down took place in the other tower because nobody has stepped forth like Scott Forbes?

I am totally astounded at the lack of all information on the towers. I cannot even find one person in 6 years that can tell me the exact hallway layout of WTC 2, or its elevator doors entry locations at the lobby, (Forbes provided "Two hallways crossing in each direction" he worked on the 94th I think.) let alone something on WTC 1.
WTC 1, I actually know already, more as to its structure than exact hallway layouts. One hallway in one direction, perpendicuarly opposing with each floor until the 70th, approximately, is the general information I have.

WTC was mostly government offices as far as I've been able to tell. It was also 30% vacant, always was.

I wonder why Roderiguez doesn't have that info on a powerdown there? He only says, "I swept the stairways for 20 years".

[dMz]

The WTC1N Tower blueprints are located at:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/blueprints.html

Regarding WTC2So-- I'm unaware of any blueprint sources, so I suppose we will "reasonably" need to proceed with the reference "Twin Towers" (read identical by my definition of "twin" in absence of more tangible information).

I have posted this and there is some other WTC building information over at:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=8221

[Christophera]

The WTC1N Tower blueprints are located at:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/blueprints.html

Regarding WTC2So-- I'm unaware of any blueprint sources, so I suppose we will "reasonably" need to proceed with the reference "Twin Towers" (read identical by my definition of "twin" in absence of more tangible information).

I have posted this and there is some other WTC building information over at:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=8221

More tangible information

The orignal post proves those plans are faked to appear as construction drawings by the addition of revision tables which show many signs of digital tampering. Also, no dimensions are legible in order to conceal and make useless the plan information for unraveling lies.

By the below image we can see the towers are obviously not twins.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/images/silhouettenoontosouth.jpg)

WTC 2 had at least twice as many halls crossing the core.

And no, because you can see light through hallways does not mean there was no concrete. To the contrary. Because there are no multiple slivers of vertical light it is shown there are no multiple core columns.

[amazed!]

Being a fairly low-level employee probably off on the weekends, Willie might not have been aware of any power down. I wonder if he has been asked that question?

[Christophera]

Being a fairly low-level employee probably off on the weekends, Willie might not have been aware of any power down.  I wonder if he has been asked that question?

I would not be shocked if he had not heard that question 100 times.

[Christophera]

This image showed up which clearly shows the heavy concrete base wall of the steel reinforced cast concrete, rectangular, tubular core of WTC 1. Where there should be an elevator by the deception of FEMA, there is instead a 3 x 7 hallway penetrating the concrete daylighting on a section where there was concrete core, but it detonated on the far side.

(IMG:http://i30.tinypic.com/11qgyzd.jpg)

[lunk]

It's hard to tell what's what, sometimes.

Have the facts been messed with?
Is the story made up?
Are some facts hidden so no solution is possible?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10738105

perhaps all three?
Perhaps there is another explanation?

Sheepdogs don't like rabbits.

imo, lunk

[painter]

. . .
Sheepdogs don't like rabbits.
. . .

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dontfeed.gif)

IMO: painter

[lunk]

I should have known better.

Some of these rabbit traps are hard to see.

onward, lunk