Was Flight 1989 Confused With Flight 93 Or Was 1989 Sapposed To Be Hijacked Too?, More information to ponder

post Nov 9 2009, 11:39 AM
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Flight 1989 was allegedly almost hijacked. The oddities on flight 1989 mirror what happened on the 911 flights. They landed and were told to make "one call". Were these the calls that we heard claiming to come from 93?.

Read the post and tell me what you think. Do you see the resemblances?

"Many of you knew that [my spouse] and I and many [fellow] employees were on an 8 am flight from Boston to LA on Tuesday morning. I am happy to be alive and to be able to tell you of the events of our harrowing journey. Even though it has been only 48 hours since we departed Logan, it feels as though a lifetime has passed.

[My spouse] and I and six other fellow [...] employees were on the 8 am flight from Boston to Los Angeles on Tuesday, but we were on the Delta flight [1989], the one out of three 8am flights departing Logan that did not get hijacked. Instead, we were forced to make an emergency landing in Cleveland because there were reports that a bomb or hijacking was taking place on our plane. The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard.

After our emergency landing, our plane was directed to go to an isolated area of the airport, and we waited for over two hours in quarantine before FBI agents and bomb sniffing dogs came out to the plane. Just after we landed, the pilot gave us permission to make one very brief telephone call before we were banned from any further telephone use. The sixty or so passengers were thus able to gather some alarming details of the unbelievable fates of the other two LA-bound planes and the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, the suicide bombing of the Pentagon as well as reports of other plane crashes in PA and LA (LA proved unfounded) before we were cut off from any further communication. Unfortunately, all this information only added to the alarm and confusion we felt as we waited for over two hours far away from the gates of the airport." Read the rest here-----> http://256.com/gray/thoughts/2001/20010912...11/travel.shtml

Here is additional information "My Friend's Answers to some Questions

S/he confirmed that the pilot gave them permission to make one call while they were on the plane. S/he remembers it as being while they were still in the air while her initial letter says that it was after they landed. Either there were 2 calls allowed, their memory (5 years later) differs from what happened, or s/he was incorrect in the initial letter. Remember that s/he wasn't, at the time, writing for posterity but to reassure family and friends. S/he doesn't remember what time s/he was able to make a call(s) that was but for reason thinks it was closer to 1000. It was around the time the first tower collapsed. That was one piece of the information they got while still in the air. They were later able to make more calls after they had landed in Cleveland.
They were told to make one call but people might have snuck more. S/he remembers thinking that it was a very inappropriate joke when someone mentioned one of the WTC towers collapsing.
Although they shared what information they had with other passengers, at the time they did not realize that the flights that hit the WTC towers originated in Boston so didn't realize until later that it could have been them.
In questioning them in 2006, s/he recalls that there was an interminable wait on the plane until agents could come to the plane to take their luggage and them off onto the tarmac. Once they were inside a building they were individually interrogated s/he remembers specifically asking an FBI guy if they could call their [family] and he said okay. They put the agent on the phone to say hi to [them].
I asked them where they were when they we rerouted to Cleveland. S/he is not sure but think that 1989 was Southeast of Cleveland at the time. It was "a good 45 minutes at least" after we were told we would have to make an emergency landing in Cleveland that they finally did. It is unsure whether this was in response to the FAA halting all flights at 0949 or due to their being confused with Flight 93 which was happening closer to 0930 - 0935. The 9/11 Commission Report states that 1989 was closer to Toledo which would have been West. S/he is most likely mistaken since the FAA would have the data given that flight 1989 never turned off their transponder.
S/he said that they did not see any fighters escorting them to Cleveland and in talking to the pilot afterwards in the FBI interrogation line, he was "pleasant and forthcoming" and did not mention any escort -- which, of course, doesn't mean that there wasn't any.
I've asked them for some pictures of the day.
My Comments About 1989

Most of the confusion around flight 93 and 1989 was due to the fact that the hijackers on 93 had disabled the transponder that gives air-traffic control the plane's number and altitude (possibly more information). Without this information they were a blip on a 2 dimensional screen. 93 supposedly came within a couple of miles of 1989 before turning and heading for DC which confused ATC.
The skeptics are responding to a piece by one Liz Foreman who was working for WCPO in Cincinnati the morning of 9/11. She published an erroneous report from the AP that 93 had landed in Cleveland. Much of this may have been due to the Mayor of Cleveland being off his rocker and holding press conferences that day spouting incorrect rumors. Much of the fervor has been due to the fact that WCPO removed the story after they published it citing falsehoods in it so now people say that it is a government cover-up. In any case, Ms. Foreman's got details about the mistakes made by her and WCPO on her blog.
Given the mistakes I heard from newscasters that morning, I have no doubt that this error happened. I remember accounts that there was a car bombing at the State Department, that cell phone systems were down because they all routed through NYC, and that we had gone to DEFCON 5 -- all false.
One question I've been asked is why the Mayor cared about flight 93 -- why did he give the press conference. My response is why did I give blood that day when I should have know that the Red Cross was collecting too much and would end up burning 75% of it. It was a strange day filled with passion, confusion, and helplessness. I'm sure it was not Mr. White nor Ms. Foreman's most lucid moments.
I've found a copy of an article from the Cleveland Plain Dealer on 9/12/2001 which talks about 1989 and explains some of the misstatements from 9/11.
Here's a great story (local copy) put out by the Cleveland Free Times in response to all of the 9/11 myths. It interviewed by source as well as others quoted by the tin foil hat types.
Here's another great page about the Flight 93/1989 confusion from 911myths.com
Here's a fascinating account from the Flight 1989 flight-deck.
Here's a USA Today article about 9/11 that talks about 1989. I've got a scan of an original in the scrapbook.
I have no idea about flight 89 that is mentioned in some of the 9/11 testimony nore why Col. Alan Scott states that flight 1989 landed at 0947 instead of 1010. He actually talks about flight 89 which is either short for 1989 or another flight that I know nothing about. Col. Scott might have been listing the time that 1989 left Boston airspace or when they were ordered to land as opposed to when they actually did. If he was quoting NORAD times then there may be errors. Two planes including 1989 were reported to NORAD as hijacked incorrectly. In addition, the FAA did not communicate that flight 77 was hijacked until 28 minutes after the transponder was turned off. NORAD was certainly working with a lot of faulty data that day and Scott may just be quoting from it.
One of the things that may me skeptical of conspiracy theories like 9/11 is the number of people that needed to be in collusion to pull it off. This implies that hundreds, maybe thousands, of people needed to conspire to make the events of 9/11 happen. The more people the higher likelihood that someone would change their mind, wanted to make millions with a tell-all book, had a confession on their deathbed, got pissed off at a spouse and decided to get back at them by spilling the beans, etc.. It is hard to keep secrets, as the Bush administration is now finding out, even in organizations designed to keep secrets. Adding the fact that so many civilians needed to be in on the big 9/11 hoax this makes the chances if them pulling it off very, very remote.
What it is hard for all of us to remember now that we are looking back on the events of 9/11 with some resolution and some semblance of clarity, is that at the time confusion reigned across much of the command and control infrastructure in the US. A plane had not been hijacked in the US for 27 years and the FAA and US air defense were just not prepared for it. So much of our defense systems were outward facing to track incoming aircraft and missiles instead of watching civilian national carriers. So many, many mistakes, misrepresentations, and bad reports were made on 9/11 that it's no wonder there is tons of fodder for the skeptics. It is unfortunate, however, that the skeptics continue to question the events of 9/11, usually with little to no cause, questioning in effect the last moments of so many brave innocent people and bringing, I expect, unnecessary distress to their families. It is fine to question the official reports but you need good solid evidence before posting "facts". Relying on rumors and posts off the internet is just not enough.
If you are going to be skeptical of published reports then you need to be equally skeptical of the rumors and contradictory stories."

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BOMBSHELL! to quote Nancy Grace. Dotay i read some very interesting things about the Cleveland airport. THERE WERE TWO PLANES that landed there that day, with "reported hijackings". I'm going to paste the whole thing from our forum. hopefully the links will remain intact. It's very long, and very eye-opening.

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The Cleveland Airport Mystery

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Update (06/21): WoodyBox found new witnesses, which point on two different "quarantined" planes at Cleveland Hopkins (see "comments")

WoodyBox ("Flight 11 - The Twin Flight") new article is yet another groundbreaking analysis.
It appears, that the majority of 9/11 Researchers and the 9/11 family members, who lost their loved ones, have to compile a new list of questions about an airport, which didn't receive much attention yet: Cleveland Hopkins, Ohio.
Among the disturbing new details are two flights, which apparently had been part of yet another "mirror flight" scenario. "Both" got grounded in Ohio.
One of them was Delta1989, the other one was identified as, most shocking: "Flight 93"!
But there are also many new questions about some "200 passengers" of that day...

The Cleveland Airport Mystery

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Inmidst the chaos breaking out in the hours after the WTC and Pentagon attacks, between 10 a.m. and 11 a.m an airplane made an emergency landing at Cleveland Hopkins Airport . Rumours were going around that it was hijacked or had a bomb on board. The FBI evacuated the plane and searched it with bomb-sniffing dogs after the passengers had left. It turned out to be false alarm. The plane - Delta flight1989 - was not hijacked, and there was no bomb.

However, a closer examination reveals a bunch of conflicting statements concerning Delta 1989. Neither the moment of landing, nor the number of the passengers, nor the location of the grounded plane is clear. For every aspect of the incident there are two different versions. Not one or three or four versions, but two.

This article will prove that not one, but two planes made an emergency landing in Cleveland - in close succession. The proof is based on local newspaper and radio reports from September 11th and 12th (mainly from the Akron Beacon Journal and the Cleveland Plain Dealer), statements of eyewitnesses and internet postings in the morning of 9/11 (people were listening to the radio and immediately submitted the breaking news to the net). One of the flights was indeed Delta 1989. We don't know the identity of the other one, so we call it "Flight X"...

We start with a short summary of the events in Cleveland. At 10 a.m., the airport was evacuated. Without doubt, this had to do with the rumours that a hijacked plane was going to land. The passengers had to leave the airport but were not allowed to take their car. They had to walk or got a ride at the highway. Busses were not allowed to leave the airport. People around the airport were told to go home. It was a very tense situation. These facts are undisputed.

Cleveland Mayor Michael White held a televised news conference at 11 a.m., after the emergency landing. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, he said there was an unconfirmed report that the plane might have been hijacked or was carrying a bomb. But in the middle of the news conference, he reported that it had not been hijacked, and later in the day he said no bomb had been found. This was not the only detail that changed in the course of the day. In the morning, White said that air controllers could hear screaming on the plane. In the afternoon, he didn't mention the screams anymore.

We will now examine several parameters of the emergency landing:

1) The moment of landing

2) The begin of the evacuation of the passengers

3) The number of passengers

4) The place the passengers were interviewed after the evacuation

5) The exact location of the grounded plane

We will see that there are two different data for every parameter, suggesting that we are dealing with two different planes. We will omit the "a.m." because it's clear that everything is happening in the morning.

1) The moment of landing

AP and two Ohio newspapers report a landing at 10:45 (1A). However, Delta Airlines has registered 10:10 as the landing time and Cleveland firefighters can confirm that the landing took place before 10:30 (1B). Because Delta Airlines did not loose the track of its plane, the 10:10 plane was surely Delta 1989. So the 10:45 plane is - by definition - Flight X.

2) The begin of the evacuation of the passengers

The Akron Beacon Journal writes in an extra edition from 9/11 that the passengers were released from the plane at 11:15. This is confirmed by internet postings describing the events in real-time (2A). However, a passenger from Delta 1989 relates that she had to stay more than two hours in the plane before the FBI started to search it and took the passengers away for questioning. The Plain Dealer has learned about a evacuation time of 12:30, confirming the witness' statement. (2B).

Thanks to the most valuable statement of the passenger, we can conclude that Delta 1989 landed at 10:10 and was evacuated at 12:30. Flight X landed at 10:45 and was evacuated at 11:15.

3) The number of passengers

The first press reports tell us that the plane carried 200 passengers. Mayor White mentioned this number on his 11 o'clock conference (3A). He did not say how he got the number. The passenger of Delta 1989 however, she must know it, made an estimation of "sixty or so" passengers. This is confirmed by later reports - the story changed quickly. Now, 69 passengers have been released from the plane, going well with the "sixty or so" (3B).

We can conclude that Delta 1989 landed at 10:10, the 69 passengers being evacuated at 12:30. Flight X landed at 10:45, the 200 passengers being released at 11:15.

4) The place the passengers were interviewed after the evacuation

The most reports say that the passengers were brought into a nearby NASA facility (4A). This is the NASA Glenn Research Center, located near the west end of the airport. It was already evacuated. The passenger of delta 1989 however tells us that she was taken into a "secure building at the airport". This is confirmed by a report that the Delta 1989 passengers were interviewed in the FAA headquarter (4B). Surely the FAA headquarter is not located in the NASA facility.

We can conclude that Delta 1989 landed at 10:10, and at 12:30 the 69 passengers were taken into the FAA headquarter. Flight X landed at 10:45, and at 11:15 the 200 passengers were taken into the evacuated NASA Center.

Cleveland Hopkins Airport - note that the blue runways were in planning yet on 9/11. The big black rectangle in the South is the I-X Center

5) The exact location of the plane

This is the final proof that we have to do with two different planes. Both planes were sitting on a runway, but miles away from each other. One plane was at the west end of runway 28/10 near the NASA center (point 10 in the map). This is confirmed by Associated Press and an eyewitness (5A). The other plane was sitting at the south end of runway 18/36 near the I-X-Center (point 36), also confirmed by two eyewitnesses (5B). The geographic conditions on the airport suggest that the passengers at the West end were taken to the NASA Center and the passengers at the South end to the FAA headquarter.
We summarise our findings:

..........................................................Delta 1989...................Flight X

Moment of landing................................10:10...........................10:45

Begin of evacuation...............................12:30...........................11:15

Number of passengers............................69................................200

Passengers brought to............. ..........FAA/Airport...................NASA

Exact location.................................Runway 18/36 ............Runway 28/10

.....................................................near I-X Center..........near NASA Center

The 69 passengers of Delta 1989 are (hopefully) alive and well. Questions remain:

Where did Flight X come from, who were the 200 passengers, and what happened to them?


(1A) Landing at 10:45

The airplane landed at about 10:45 a.m., but the airport released no information about the plane's intended destination. Associated Press 9/11/01

The flight to Los Angeles landed at Hopkins at 10:45 a.m., and was directed to a secure area of the airport. Akron Beacon Journal 9/12/01

Delta Flight 1989 made an emergency landing at Hopkins about 10:45 a.m., nearly two hours after the World Trade Center towers were hit by two hijacked planes. Cleveland Plain Dealer 9/12/01

(1B) Landing at 10:10

10:30 a.m. Flight quarantined. On a remote taxiway at Hopkins International Airport in Cleveland, Delta Flight 1989 is quarantined. Since early reports that a bomb, then hijackers, might be aboard, Delta CEO Leo Mullin, 58, had nervously tracked the flight from the company's headquarters in Atlanta. Every five minutes, a new report came in. None seemed clear. Still, the flight landed uneventfully in Cleveland at 10:10 a.m. USA Today, 8/12/02

After treatment and transport to the hospital, reports over our radio confirmed the south tower had collapsed. ... My chief put out an order to return to quarters. He received reports there was a plane sequestered on the runway of Cleveland Hopkins Airport, because of a possible hijacking or a bomb on board. Responding back to our firehouse my heart started pounding faster as we became closer to our station, which is only a few hundred yards from the south side of the airport. The second tower now had collapsed. There it was a huge plane standing eerily still. Police, EMS and fire are positioned in the distance. Scott Boulton, Cleveland firefighter. The reports of the suspicious plane on the runway obviously came in BEFORE the WTC North Tower collapsed (10:2. A 10:10 landing time fits very well into Boulton's chronology (set between the first and second WTC collapse), while a 10:45 landing time contradicts it.

(2A) Evacuation at 11:15

The 200 passengers were reportedly released from the plane at 11:15 a.m., though White said the pilot was still concerned that a bomb remained. Akron Beacon Journal 9/11/01

A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White. White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated. WCPO-TV, Cincinnati, 9/11/01, 11:43:57. So at 11.43, the evacuation was already finished.

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"We have lost track of a number of planes," quote from FAA. From Scott P at PTE - Just heard an unconfirmed report that a plane on the ground at Cleveland-Hopkins Airport has a bomb on board with approximately 200 people on board. PT Cruiser Club Forum Posted by Cruisin in Calgary at Sept?11,?2001,?8:14?AM PST (=11:14 EST)

The plane at Hopkins has been deplaned and they are going to search it for a bomb now. PT Cruiser CLub Forum Posted by Terry J at Sep?11,?2001,?8:41?AM PST (=11:41 EST) . So there were no passengers on the plane anymore at 11:41.

(2B) Evacuation at 12:30

After our emergency landing, our plane was directed to go to an isolated area of the airport, and we waited for over two hours in quarantine before FBI agents and bomb sniffing dogs came out to the plane. Delta 1989 passenger's story

About 12:30 p.m. baggage cars and shuttle buses approached the plane. The 69 passengers and nine crew members then walked down a portable staircase and onto the buses, which took them to FAA headquarters nearby. Cleveland Plain Dealer 9/12/01

(3A) 200 passengers

The 200 passengers were reportedly released from the plane at 11:15 a.m., though White said the pilot was still concerned that a bomb remained. Akron Beacon Journal 9/11/01

The plane was sitting on a runway at the airport's west end with approximately 200 passengers on board. Associated Press, 9/11/01

About 200 passengers were aboard the plane. It will be checked for a bomb. News Channel 5, Cleveland-Akron,9/11/01

A few hours after Mayor White's first news conference, FBI Special Agent Mark Bullock confirmed that the Delta jet with 200 people aboard had landed safely and had not been in danger. WCPN radio, 9/12/01

The mayor of Cleveland has announced that an airplane containing 200 passengers has been sequestered at the Cleveland Hopkins Airport. They believe there may be a bomb on the plane. Metafilter.com forum posted by turaho at 8:37 a.m. PST (=11:37 EST)

(3B) 69 passengers

The sixty or so passengers were thus able to gather some alarming details of the unbelievable fates of the other two LA-bound planes. Delta 1989 passenger's story
The 69 passengers and nine crew members then walked down a portable staircase and ontothe buses, which took them to FAA headquarters nearby. Cleveland Plain Dealer 9/12/01

The plane was evacuated of its 78 passengers shortly before 1 p.m. Akron Beacon Journal 9/12/01( 78 = 69 passengers + 9 crew members)

(4A) Interview in NASA Center

They (the passengers) were taken to NASA Glenn Research Center to be interviewed by FBI agents. The center had been evacuated about an hour before.) Akron Beacon Journal 9/12/01

The Boeing 767 was evacuated and searched, said Della Homenik, spokeswoman for Mayor Michael R. White. Passengers were taken to a nearby NASA facility. The Post, Athens, Ohio, 9/11/01

I thought the target could also have be NASA's Glen/Lewis Research Center that is right next to the Cleveland Airport.The news reported that the plane landed because of a suspected bomb on board but they haven't released anyone that was on that plane. The closed NASA and transported everyone that was on the plane there for questioning. E-Mail Repository, posted by "Connie", time unknown.

(4B) Interview in FAA/Airport building

While our personal effects were examined we were taken to a secure building at the airport where for three hours we were interrogated at length. Delta 1989 passenger's story

The 69 passengers and nine crew members then walked down a portable staircase and onto the buses, which took them to FAA headquarters nearby. Cleveland Plain Dealer 9/12/01

(5A) Plane at West end near NASA Center

The plane was sitting on a runway at the airport's west end with approximately 200 passengers on board. Associated Press, 9/11/01

At the same time that we passed the Cleveland airport, the radio was reporting that a plane had been quarantined at the airport and forced to stay away from the terminal. There was some concern that a bomb might be aboard. As we went by, we say the plane with a number of vehicles surrounding it. Lights were flashing. We wondered if there were hijackers aboard that very plane. Rudy K, personal report. Rudy K was on the way home from Toledo to Rochester, N.Y., taking Interstate 480. This highway runs parallel to runway 28/10, a few hundred yards more to the North. The I-X-Center is three miles away - too far away for Rudy K's eyes to recognize vehicles. He was watching a plane near the northern boundary of the airport. His report confirms the existence of a plane near the NASA Center. Thanks to his precise description, we can also conclude that he passed the airport at about 11 o'clock as he began his ride at 9:30 in Toledo and arrived at 4 p.m. in Rochester (with a little stop). Flight X was already there at 11 o'clock.

(5B) Plane at South end near I-X Center

Kurt Voelkel, 18, of Parma watched as the Delta sat on a remote area of the Hopkins tarmac near the I-X Center. Akron Beacon Journal 9/12/01

He received reports there was a plane sequestered on the runway of Cleveland Hopkins Airport, because of a possible hijacking or a bomb on board. Responding back to our firehouse my heart started pounding faster as we became closer to our station, which is only a few hundred yards from the south side of the airport. The second tower now had collapsed. There it was a huge plane standing eerily still. Police, EMS and fire are positioned in the distance. Scott Boulton, Cleveland firefighter. Boulton works with the fire department of Brookmark, a small city south-east of Hopkins Airport. His station is on Holland Street, just opposite the end of runway 18/36 ("only a few hundred yards from the southside of the airport"). So he is talking of the plane near the I-X Center, too.

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The 10 factual data presented in the text are each supported by at least two independent sources. Everybody who denies the occurring of two emergency landings should be able to provide us with clear answers to these five questions: When did the plane land, when was it evacuated, how many passengers dit it carry, where were they interviewed, where was the plan sitting at the airport. For every answer, he should also be able to disprove the contradicting two (or more) sources. I think this is very hard work. Good luck.

There are many rumours and uncorroborated messages around the events in Cleveland. I want to present them here, but I endorse careful handling as they are not independently verified.

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Flight X = United Airlines Flight?

White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated. United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did say how many people were aboard the flight.WCPO-TV, Cincinnati, 9/11/01, 11:43:57 (Mirror)

This message, submitted at 11:43 in the morning, is nowhere else to find. It's the only hint that Flight X might be United Airlines 93, but you have to wonder about the differing passenger numbers (UA 93: 33 passengers; Flight X: 200 passengers). Very obscure the last sentence: If United Airlines told the reporters the number of the passengers, why don't they submit this news to the public? Did the airline tell them the number but on the condition not to publish it?

[11:01] (temas) there was an emergency landing safely completed in Cleveland

[11:02] (temas) potential bomb on the plane

[11:02] (temas) and it might be the missing UA flight

This jabber obviously followed the radio or TV news. He refers to what he's hearing, so it's not his own, but the radio's guessing that the plane in Cleveland might be the "missing UA flight". Very likely temas is talking about Flight X because Delta 1989's identity never was in question. Note that the time of the posting 11:01 points to a landing of 10:45, too.


The Toledo Plane

White reported that another plane was diverted from Hopkins toward Toledo. Akron Beacon Journal 9/11/01

He said airport officials reported that a second airplane in distress had passed through Cleveland airspace earlier Tuesday morning before being handed off to Toledo. Officials at Toledo Express Airport did not immediately have any information about a plane headed from Cleveland. Associated Press, 9/11/01

So we have another obscure plane in an emergency situation, and in the light of the new evidence, we might ask if the Toledo Plane is identical to Flight X. It seems that Mayor White was not the best informed person in Cleveland since he changed his statements a couple of times during the day.

Virginia Buckingham's statement

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A disturbing first-hand statement comes from Virginia Buckingham. She was not only security chief of Boston Airport on 9/11, but also CEO of MA Port Authority.

By 9:30, the FAA had grounded all flights out of Boston and New York. By 9:40, all US flight operations were halted. As we tried to account for all Boston-originating flights already in the air, we received word that a Delta flight out of Logan, bound for the West Coast, had lost radio contact with air traffic control.

When exactly did Delta 1989 loose radio contact? At 9:36, Cleveland Center warned the plane to stay away from UA 93, and this USA Today report confirms that the pilot asked the controllers to land in Cleveland shortly before 9:45 when the FAA released an order to ground all planes. So until about 9:40-9:45 Delta 1989 was in contact with Air Traffic Control.

Victoria Buckingham: I felt sick to my stomach. It would be more than an hour before we received word that the flight had landed safely in Cleveland.

So it took more than an hour after the lost radio contact that Mrs. Buckingham learned of the safe landing of the flight. This must have happened at about 10:45-11:00 and perfectly fits the landing time of Flight X. Did she refer to Flight X? Delta 1989 landed at 10:10 in Cleveland, and it is unbelievable that the pilot allowed the passengers to make phone calls but didn't inform his airline about the safe landing. If Mrs. Buckingham was talking about Delta 1989, why did she had to wait more than half an hour to get the reassuring message that the plane and the passengers were okay?

Col. Alan Scott's statement

Col. Scott testified to the 9-11 commission on 5/23/03:

MR. SCOTT: 9:27, Boston FAA reports a fifth aircraft missing, Delta Flight 89 -- and many people have never heard of Delta Flight 89. We call that the first red herring of the day, because there were a number of reported possible hijackings that unfolded over the hours immediately following the actual attacks. Delta 89 was not hijacked, enters the system, increases the fog and friction if you will, as we begin to look for that. But he lands about seven of eight minutes later and clears out of the system.
At 9:49, FAA reports that Delta 89, which had been reported as missing, is now reported as a possible hijacking. So again he is --

MR.: That's 9:41, sir.

MR. SCOTT: I'm sorry, 9:41. Again, he is in the system. He is kind of a red herring for us.

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QUOTE (REDSHIFT @ Dec 10 2009, 10:55 PM) *
BOMBSHELL! to quote Nancy Grace. Dotay i read some very interesting things about the Cleveland
airport. THERE WERE TWO PLANES that landed there that day, with "reported hijackings".

'A team of scientists from NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas, has flown to
Cleveland to conduct microgravity experiments on the KC-135. [Cleveland Free Times, 9/6/2006]
Dominic Del Rosso, the test director on the plane, will later recall that the team is flying over
western New York State when the terrorist attacks occur. During the routine mission, the KC-135
cruises back and forth along the New York shore of Lake Ontario, climbing and descending to
create a freefall condition to simulate microgravity. Del Rosso will comment, “To think that this
type of maneuver might ever seem threatening never crossed my mind until [September 11].”
The plane’s crew members are notified at some point that a large plane is intersecting their flight
path less than 1,000 feet below them, instead of the usual 2,000-foot minimum distance. They will
later learn that this aircraft is the hijacked Flight 93,

~ http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?e...nic_del_rosso_1

'So what about the so-called Flight X?

"A KC-135 had to come back to the hangar," says [the director of safety and mission assurance at
NASA Glenn, Vernon] Wessel, as if realizing for the first time that this aircraft may have caused
some undue confusion. A team of scientists from the Johnson Space Center in Houston [more than
1000 miles away] had flown to Cleveland on this KC-135 to conduct micro-gravity experiments.
(Also known as "the vomit comet," KC-135's are used to simulate weightlessness.
The plane soars to high altitudes, then falls back toward the ground, giving passengers a few
seconds of zero-G experience. Scenes for the Tom Hanks movie Apollo 13 were filmed in one.)

The visiting scientists could not return to Houston as scheduled on 9/11 once the FAA ordered all
planes to land. "After the facility closed, we had to take those scientists to a hotel." The scientists,
dressed as civilians,
were boarded onto shuttle buses.

~ http://www.911myths.com/html/93_landed_in_cleveland.html

NASA's Boeing KC-135, "the vomit comet"

USAF's Boeing E4-B, equipped with a Super High Frequency satellite antenna.

'The E-4B can communicate with the ground over a wide range of frequencies covering virtually
the entire radio communications spectrum from 14 kHz to 8.4 GHz. Ground stations can link the
E-4B into the main US ground-based communications network.'

~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-4


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