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Tablet Ignites Debate On Messiah And Resurrection

post Jul 5 2008, 09:30 PM
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Sounds as though there may have been a prior Judaic history of "dead for three days and resurrected". I know this is an earth shattering revelation to all of you who haven't watched Zeitgeist, but don't hyperventilate too much...

The slaying of Simon, or any case of the suffering messiah, is seen as a necessary step toward national salvation, he says, pointing to lines 19 through 21 of the tablet — “In three days you will know that evil will be defeated by justice” — and other lines that speak of blood and slaughter as pathways to justice.

To make his case about the importance of the stone, Mr. Knohl focuses especially on line 80, which begins clearly with the words “L’shloshet yamin,” meaning “in three days.” The next word of the line was deemed partially illegible by Ms. Yardeni and Mr. Elitzur, but Mr. Knohl, who is an expert on the language of the Bible and Talmud, says the word is “hayeh,” or “live” in the imperative. It has an unusual spelling, but it is one in keeping with the era.

Two more hard-to-read words come later, and Mr. Knohl said he believed that he had deciphered them as well, so that the line reads, “In three days you shall live, I, Gabriel, command you.”

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post Jul 7 2008, 12:03 PM
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Just the usual commonalities present in all the various Solar Mythologies be it Judaism, Christianity, or Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian religions that existed hundreds of years before Judaism & Christianity.
They are based on Solar & Celestial mythology, sadly these poor deluded souls have no clue what it is they are really worshipping, quite sad really.
I pity them all.
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post Jul 8 2008, 09:08 AM
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And what do you worship Nuny ?
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post Jul 8 2008, 10:53 AM
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In esoteric traditions numbers have meanings other than their literal count meaning. Why not? The stories within which they are found are themselves not meant to be taken literally as descriptions of factual events but as teachings concerning what is necessary for the development of consciousness. Like many words, the number three can have different significances in these contexts. Generally it means something akin to "absolutely," "completely," or "thoroughly." Peter denied Jesus 3 times. Jesus was tempted by Satan three times in the desert. Jesus posts three watchmen and then prayed three times in the garden of Gethsemane before returning and finding the three watchmen asleep. It also represents manifestation of diversity within unity: The Godhead is composed of three principals. "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" is only one version. Another is "The Holy Affirming, The Holy Denying and The Holy Actualizing." In these gnostic traditions, two opposing forces can achieve nothing because they are equal; only the appearance of a 'third force' can give extra energy to one or the other and thus bring potential into actual manifestation.
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post Jul 14 2008, 08:53 AM
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""And what do you worship Nuny ? "

My wife.
Other than that I am not delusional, I accept life for what it is and prefer factual reality so the act of "worshipping" some fictional deity I will leave to those that have divorced themselves from factual reality.

Here a summary of the events that occurred in the “Jesus” story. He was born to a virgin by immaculate conception through the intervention of a holy spirit. This fulfilled an ancient prophecy. When he was born the ruling tyrant wanted to kill him. His parents had to flee to safety. All male children under the age of two were slain by the ruler as he sought to kill the child. Angels and shepherds were at his birth and he was given gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. He was worshipped as the savior of men and led a moral and humble life. He performed miracles which included healing the sick, giving sight to the blind, casting out devils and raising the dead. He was put to death on the cross between two thieves. He descended to hell and rose from the dead to ascend back to heaven.

Guess what? That is how the eastern savior God known as Virishna was described 1,200 years before “Jesus” is claimed to have been born. If you want a savior God who died so our sins could be forgiven, take your pick from the ancient world because there are a stream of them.

Here are just some of the “Son of God” heroes who play the lead role in stories which mirror those attributed to “Jesus” and almost all were worshipped long before “Jesus” was even heard of:

Krishna of Hindostan; Buddha Sakia of India; Salivahana of Bermuda; Ausar(Osiris) and Heru(Horus) son of the virgin Isis of Kemet(Egypt); Odin of Scandinavia; Crite of Chaldea; Zoroaster of Persia; Baal and Taut of Phoenicia; Indra of Tibet; Bali of Afghanistan; Jao of Nepal; Wittoba of Bilingonese; Tammuz of Syria and Babylon; Attis of Phyrgia; Xamolxis of Thrace; Zoar of the Bonzes; Adad of Assyria; Beddru of Japan; Bremrillahm of the Druid; Cadmus of Greece; Gentaut and Quezalcoatl of Mexico; Fohi and Tien of China; Adonis, son of virgin lo, of Greece.

If you research Jesus’ prototypes, what you’ll find is that they were not to be taken literally as individuals. They were all symbolic stories about the sun’s cycles and its affect on creation. It’s no coincidence that the birth of Jesus picked to be on December 25th; and his resurrection on March 25th. All of the above mentioned were said to be born December 25th and resurrected March 25th. What’s the significance of December 25th and March 25th? Well during the fall season the night out last day light. On December 25th the sun is said to be born, because that’s when daylight begins to lengthen. Prior to December 25th daylight continues to shorten. March 25th is said to be the second birth because that’s when day(light) over takes night(darkness). Then everything that died during the fall, is resurrected. Jesus being called a lamb is zodiac symbolism. March 25th, which was the original day that the resurrection was celebrated on, is associated with the zodiac symbol of Aries. What’s the symbol of Aries? A ram. What’s a ram? A full grown lamb. Although the date of Easter is no longer fixed to the first day of Aries, the symbolism remains. Are you beginning to see the picture? Christianity is simply a disguised pagan religion, that practices sun worship, like the other so-called monotheistic religions. When do they worship? SUNday. In my research for the truth, I’ve found no credible evidence, outside of religious text, whatsoever for the existence of Jesus. No archeological evidence, no written evidence, nothing. As a matter of fact, Nazareth didn’t exist during the time that Jesus was supposedly walking the earth. The name doesn’t appear in any of the detailed Roman records, nor in any books, writings or documents of any kind relating to the period covered by the gospels.

King Solomon and his temple are more symbolism. There is no historical evidence for the existence of a man called Solomon, except in the texts produced by the Levites. The Levites were a group of Hebrew priests that began to write a manufactured history, during the 6th century BC, which obscured the truth. During and after their stay in Babylon, this is when the Jews learned Astrology & Numerology from the Magi which is where the Jewish Kabbalah & Torah come from with its wealth of inherited knowledge and stories from Sumer, the Levites mixed truth, often symbolic truth, with fantasies and this concoction became the foundations of the Old Testament. The Levites were a bunch of human sacrificing, blood drinking fanatics; and they compiled the law which Jewish people to this day are supposed to follow. Likewise many Christians fanatics quote these texts as the word of God. The Sumerian Tablets prove beyond question that Genesis was a much edited and condensed version of Sumer records. The Sumerian story of Edin became the Levite’s biblical Garden of Eden. Remember the story of “Moses” being found in the bulrushes by the Egyptian princess? The same story was told by the Sumerians. According to the Levites, Moses was given his laws and commandments by God on to of a mountain. Speaking of which the 10 commandments are Kemetic in origin also, Admonitions of Ma’at , http://www.trinicenter.com/kwame/2007/2610.htm

One reason for this is that the top of a mountain is closer to their symbol of God, the sun. Mount Sion means Sun Mountain. The sun rising over the eastern mountains is still a major symbol today. The Ancient Egyptians symbolized the sun rising in the east as Horus, their Son of God. Hence we have the term hori-zon or Horus is rising. When the sun was going down at dusk, it was symbolized as Set. Set was the Egyptian symbol for the force of darkness; hence sunset. There is no historical evidence for the existence of a man called Moses, except in the texts produced by Levites and other writings and opinions stimulated by these texts. So where did the name Moses come from? Every initiated person who attained the highest rank in the Egyptian mystery schools was called a Muse, Mose or Moses. Manetho, an Egyptian historian, from the third century BC, quoted by the Jewish historian Josephus, says that he was a priest at Heliopolis or ON (Place of the Sun), and afterwards he was given the title of Moshe or Moses. Moshe is the Hebrew, in Kemetic which is the parent language of Hebrew it is MU-SHA which means MU = “sea” and SHA = “reeds” so that the biblical Moses is literally the Sea of Reeds.

The three syllables in Sol-Om-On are all names for the sun in three languages. Sol (Latin for Sun) Om (Sanskrit for Sun) On (Coptic for Sun). Not once does Solomon’s name appear in any inscriptions before the levites wrote their texts. A Greek historian named Herodotus (485-425 BC), traveled and researched the lands and history of Egypt and the near East. He heard nothing of the empire of Solomon. Nor did Plato in his travels to the same area. Solomon and his wives and concubines were symbolic of the planets, moons, asteroids and other receptive bodies within his house (the solar mansion). Solomon’s Temple is symbolic of the domain of the Sun. The book of Kings and Chronicles, which recount the building of Solomon’s Temple, were written between 500 to 600 years after the events they are supposed to be describing.

The ancients also symbolized the sun as a baby in December, a youth at Easter, an immensely strong man by the summer, an aging man losing his power in the autumn, and an old man by the winter solstice. They also symbolized the sun as having long golden hair (sun rays) which got shorter as he lost his power in the months of autumn. Now look at the old testament story of Samson (Sam-sun) He was incredibly strong and had long hair, but he lost his power when is hair was cut. The problems started when he entered the House of Delilah, the astrological house of Virgo, the virgin, through which the sun passes as autumn approaches. Samson is a symbolic story of the sun’s annual cycle. There wasn’t any such person. In Hebrew, Samson means: “Little-Sun”

The number “666” is the number of the Sun-Square, which has 12 factors; just as the Sun has 12 signs of the zodiac; and as Solomon is king of the 12 tribes of Israel. A common theme in all esoteric school traditions is of 12 tribes, disciples, knights or followers surrounding a deity. The number 12 is a code, among other things, for the 12 months of they year and houses of the zodiac through which symbolically travels the Sun symbolized as 13. This is the sacred 12 and 1, as some people describe it, and it is one major reason why the numbers 12 and 13 reoccur. Thus you have the 12 tribes of Israel, 12 princes of Ishmael, 12 disciples or followers of Jesus, Buddha, Osiris, and Quetzalcoatl etc. There is also King Arthur and his 12 knights of the round table (the zodiac circle); and the woman (Isis/Semiramis) with a crown of 12 stars in the Book of Revelation.

The numbers 7 and 40 are also code numbers in the Bible and other esoteric texts. In the Bible we have 7 spirits of God, 7 churches of Asia, 7 golden candlesticks, 7 stars, 7 lamps of fire, 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 angels, 7 thunders; then the red dragon with 7 heads and 7 crowns. The story of Jericho has Joshua marching his army around the city for 7 days, accompanied by 7 priests carrying 7 trumpets. On the 7th day they circled Jericho 7 times and the walls came tumbling down. In the story of Noah, 7 pairs of each animal go into the ark and 7 pairs of each type of bird. There are 7 days between the prediction of the flood and the rain; and 7 days between the sending of doves. The ark comes to rest on the 17th day of the 7th month. After the flood Noah begins his 7th century. Then there’s 40. Adam enters Paradise when he is 40 years old; Eve follows 40 years later; during the flood it rains 40 days and 40 nights; Seth is carried away by angels when he is 40 and is not seen for 40 days; Moses is 40 when he goes to Midian and he stays for 40 years; Joseph is 40 years old when Jacob arrives in Egypt; Jesus goes into the wilderness for 40 days. These stories are not literally true, they are esoteric school symbolism. The religious hierarchy, which are esoteric school initiates, know that scripture is based on numerology and astrology; but teach the religiously blinded believer to shun numerology and astrology. They are taught to take this literally; thus you have people, willing to argue, fight, kill, and die over symbolic things. They got Christians mad at Jews about a crucifixion, that did not happen; and Muslims arguing with Christians over what “Jesus” meant about the Comforter (the Sun). More blood has been shed in the name of religion than for anything else. Forget money, the love for lack of knowledge is the root of evil; and religion is designed to place believing (ignorance) above knowing. It encourages ignorance, fear, and hatred. Like the slavemaster, they use fear to keep the believer shackled in religious bondage. The symbolic hell fire has the believer terrified of being open minded to anything that contradicts their beliefs.
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post Jul 15 2008, 03:56 PM
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Interesting that you mentioned Josephus Flavius.
The text in question which he wrote (and which contains the quotes by Manetho) is called "Contra Apion".
Among other things, it contains the following quote (attributed to Manetho):

[Manetho goes on]: "These people, whom we have before named kings,
and called shepherds also, and their descendants," as he says,
"kept possession of Egypt five hundred and eleven years." After
these, he says, "That the kings of Thebais and the other parts of
Egypt made an insurrection against the shepherds, and that there
a terrible and long war was made between them." He says further,
"That under a king, whose name was Alisphragmuthosis, the
shepherds were subdued by him, and were indeed driven out of
other parts of Egypt, but were shut up in a place that contained
ten thousand acres; this place was named Avaris." Manetho says,
"That the shepherds built a wall round all this place, which was
a large and a strong wall, and this in order to keep all their
possessions and their prey within a place of strength, but that
Thummosis the son of Alisphragmuthosis made an attempt to take
them by force and by siege, with four hundred and eighty thousand
men to lie rotund about them, but that, upon his despair of
taking the place by that siege, they came to a composition with
them, that they should leave Egypt, and go, without any harm to
be done to them, whithersoever they would; and that, after this
composition was made, they went away with their whole families
and effects, not fewer in number than two hundred and forty
thousand, and took their journey from Egypt, through the
wilderness, for Syria; but that as they were in fear of the
Assyrians, who had then the dominion over Asia, they built a city
in that country which is now called Judea, and that large enough
to contain this great number of men, and called it Jerusalem. (9)
Now Manetho, in another book of his, says, "That this nation,
thus called Shepherds, were also called Captives, in their sacred


The "Shepherd-Kings", called "Hyksos" in Greek (And probably "Heka-Shaasu" in Egyptian) actually existed; according to Manetho, their first ruler was King Apepa (Apophis), who was visited by Joseph "...who dreamt dreams".
The last stronghold of the Hyksos was Avaris; one of the Egyptian names for that city was 'Per Sutekh'
(the Hyksos-term for the Egyptian 'Set'); another was 'Het Uar' : 'City of taking flight' or 'City of the fleeing'.
The similarities between certain details in Egyptian mythology and Hebrew/Christian beliefs is on occasion more than striking.
The sun-god Ra had three main forms:
Khepri ('He who becomes', 'He who comes into being') is the risings sun in the morning;
Ra is the sun at full strength at noon;
Atum ('He who comes to an end' or 'He who brings to an end') at sunset.

The visible form of the sun was called 'Aten'- this was the body of Ra.
After sunset, the sun-god was required to travel through the Nether-world in order to be resurrected the following morning. His dead flesh was termed 'Af' (pronounced probably something like the letter 'F', or like 'Yef').
There was an expression used by the Egyptians- 'Shen-en-Aten'.
It's usually translated as 'Circuit of the Aten', or 'Orbit of the sun'.
But it has nothing to do with any 'orbit'; it simply describes the outer boundary-line of the solar disc.
That boundary-line becomes visible during an eclipse:

The word 'Shen' has another meaning as well: It means 'Tree', 'Grove', 'Garden'.

Atum and Af in the circuit of the Aten.

Adam and eve in the Garden of Eden...

Interesting detail- looking at that picture reminds me of an 'Ouraboros'.
(That's a serpent who holds its own tail in its mouth...)

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post Jul 16 2008, 06:57 AM
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QUOTE (Devilsadvocate @ Jul 13 2008, 06:56 PM) *
The last stronghold of the Hyksos was Avaris; one of the Egyptian names for that city was 'Per Sutekh'

Coincidentally I am at present reading, or rather I was until I put it aside for other things, a book by David Rohl, 'The Lords of Avaris'.

As I have yet to complete, and have read nothing of Rohl's other works I will reserve judgement. Also I have a few other volumes lined up to add to those I have already read on the subject which has become of increasing interest since I first picked up on it some ten years hence.

Has anybody else come across Rohl?

I must discuss with my son when I have chance as he gained a degree in Ancient History a few years back. In the same year a daughter, one of three, gained a degree in applied chemistry which is very much against the gender trend, or even sadly, the general trend over here.

Science is still seen as the tough option. On my degree course back in the 1980s only about 21 of us out of a total of 280 students were on the Maths/Science route and only 5 of these 21 went as far as getting an honours.
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