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Debunking Fdr Debunking, Common Arguments Addressed

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Jun 6 2007, 06:11 AM Post #1
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	In the spirit of DRG's latest book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking", i thought i would put together an article for those to help out with the most common so-called "Debunks" of our work. 1. Claim - There are No pilots at pilotsfor911truth.org http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html All above names who are pilots certified by the FAA can be cross referenced here... https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/ Pilots Question 9/11 (photos here) http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html 2. Claim - The FDR Data stops/is missing 2-6 seconds of data west of the pentagon wall FDR Recorders built to .5 sec lag maximum standard http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=7152 Radar Altitude Confirms too high http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=4801 NTSB plots aircraft 1 second away from pentagon wall. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myp...1960/093744.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myp...0/jimritter.jpg American 77 Flight Recorder Position Data - DME Video http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=10751 Lat/Long/DME http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...t&p=8305238 Putting Fdr "delay" Myth To Rest http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13846 INS vs DME http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=15047 Added Oct 2009 - Newly Decoded Data Not Verified, Conflicts with NTSB Flight Path Study, and still shows too high to hit the Pentagon. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18239 2a. Claim - The data file terminates at a point west of the Pentagon based on altitude correlation of the MC values recorded by the PLA and IAD radar facilities and the full set of DME data matched to the various VOR's used along the flight path. FDR Positional/DME Data obtained from a file (RO2) which was decoded by software not intended for use with Aircraft Accident Investigation. Above claim ignores this point. Pilots For 9/11 Truth have not used RO2 for any official analysis published on our main site due to this point alone. Although, we have shown Radar Altitude from RO2 in conjunction with claims made still place the aircraft too high. See claim 3. Above Radar data processed by a person with an extreme bias for the govt story, has made numerous math errors in the past regarding simple vector analysis and has been shown to be in error of their radar analysis. Above claimant does not know the difference between pressure and true altitude and has admitted a "large potential for human error" in his Radar plot/analysis. When invited for debate by a 3rd party moderator on above claim(s), P4T accepted, claimant refused. "In general, the final AA77 data in the raw [radar] file differs materially from the processed file." http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10765222 "aa77" Final Approach Ground Speed Determination From The 84rades Radar Data, 84Rades and FDR data mutually INCONSISTENT? http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=15913 Altitude Correlation determined above based on primary RADES radar returns. NTSB states. "... the altitude estimates from these returns are subject to potentially large errors" when attempting to correlate primary RADES altitude data for Egypt Air 990. Points within the RADES Data have the alleged AA77 in excess of 50,000 feet. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13211 RADES Altitude Data is not reliable for correlating position. Altitude Data impossible to correlate due to inoperative Mode C. Nav 1 DME recorded 1.5 NM off DCA VOR. The above claim ignores this point. American 77 Flight Recorder Position Data - DME Video http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=10751 DME Slant Range errors are ignored by above claim. Repetitive DME returns in excess of regulation intervals in RO2 ignored by above claim. INS Errors are ignored by above claim (AA77 RO2 positional data shows aircraft departing roughly 3,000 feet south of IAD Runway 30. Illustration - http://www.aa77fdr.com/readout2/LNTTTPos.jpg) INS vs DME http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=15047 See Claim 2 for more information on "missing seconds". 3. Claim - There is altimeter lag in the animation and csv file due to flying outside the aircraft envelope. Airdata Calibration and Measurement http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...p?showtopic=103 FDR Vertical Speed - Altimeter lag issues Addressed http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...hp?showtopic=73 Radar Altitude Confirms too High http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=4801 Reserved - more info forthcoming 4. Claim - The Information that P4T has analyzed may not be from the NTSB (P4T may have fabricated the information and claims it came from the NTSB) csv file download and cover letters provided by Undertow http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...hp?showtopic=64 Raw data decode provided by Undertow http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=4574 Animation cover letters/envelope provided by Snowgrouch http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...p?showtopic=375 Animation cover letters provided by Mick Harrison http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=6205 Reserved - More forthcoming Animation provided by Third party on google video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65...=AA77+Animation George Washington University NTSB Data http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/index.htm NTSB FOIA Website http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm NTSB FOIA Contact - Melba D. Moye 202-314-6000 NTSB FOIA Request form - http://www.ntsb.gov/pubmail/pubmail.asp 5. Claim - The csv file and animation show a heading along the official flight path. csv file heading does not line up perfectly with physical damage http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myp...gonASpaint1.jpg American 77 Flight Path in 3D http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=8166 csv file was altered to show southern approach http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=5083 ThePentaCon http://thepentacon.com 6. Claim - Pilots For 9/11 Truth has not provided all the data We have provided all data which pertains to all published research and analysis that is not proprietary in nature. All information/data can be found on links above. The only information we cannot and do not provide is a proprietary Data Frame Layout which does not change our analysis in any way. Undertow can expand on this more when he sees this post. 7. Claim - Cover Letter Dated March 22, 2007 says Animation not "Official" that its a "working copy" Animation cover letter provided by Mick Harrison http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=6205 Animation isnt the only information we have. We also have a Raw file and csv file (see above). However, the cover letter states the animation "was not used for official purpose" which means it was never used in an investigation. It is an official copy since it was officially provided through the Freedom Of Information Act and from the NTSB. The NTSB notes in the cover letter that they want everything as accurate as possible when providing information through the FOIA, however they note one error which was made to the clock annotation. They do not account for any other possible errors regarding the animation in this cover letter. Given the fact that all we really need is the last data point - we offer the following article. FDR Recorders built to .5 sec lag maximum standard http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=7152 8. Claim - The Flight Data Recorder was found in the Pentagon. How can it be too high? http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=7322 Can the Govt Get Their Story Straight? - Location of FDR http://pilotsfor911truth.org/FDR_location_091607.html Lies, Conflicting Reports, Cover-Up's Location of American 77 Flight Data Recorder - Part II http://pilotsfor911truth.org/location_2.html 9. Claim - New Paper At The Journal Of 9/11 Studies - FDR Analysis Performed By Frank Legge and Warren Stutt Warren Stutt Decode Shows Altitude too high to Impact Pentagon http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10778240 Vertical and Lateral Acceleration do not shows signs of "impact", proving Longitudinal Deceleration was not due to "impact" as speculated by Legge/Stutt http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10794146 Warren Stutt's admitted lack of expertise with respect to FDR Investigation http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10799563 RA - PA Correlation, proving the "Altitude Divergence" calculated by Legge/Stutt was due to RA measuring from an object higher than ground level. Fatal to the Legge/Stutt argument. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10794074 If Legge/Stutt "Altitude Divergence" calculations were correct, Aircraft would be slamming into the ground. IAD ILS RWY 01R Approach Analysis, Instruments required for IFR Flight Based on Regulation. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10793490 Calculations based on Stutt Theory with respect to RA Tracking Capability, proving Stutt's theory false. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10794159 More confirmation supporting RA Tracking Capability referenced is in fact a longitudinal velocity, and not the vertical velocity as speculated by Legge/Stutt http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803407 Explains Lack Of Attention To Detail in the very first paragraph of the Legge/Stutt "Paper" http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10793061 Proof of Legge trying to weasel his way out of mis/disinformation he has presented http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10793501 A Response To Frank Legge And Warren Stutt, P4T rebuttal to Legge/Stutt "Paper" and "Rebuttal" http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21025 Warren Stutt Refuses to Address the tough questions http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803075 Legge/Stutt Admit to Leaving Erroneous References in their paper as a "Honey Pot" trap for readers http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803456 More statements from FDR Expert Dennis Ciminio http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803408 http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803429 Cit Publishes Response To David Chandler & Jonathan Cole's Joint Statement About The 9/11 Pentagon Attack http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21054 These are some of the most common arguments when discussing Pilots For 9/11 Truth analysis regarding the information provided by the NTSB. In order to copy and paste whole links (you will get broken links from a direct copy/paste), please click quote (quote this post), copy and paste the whole quote box below to the site you wish to reply. I will add common arguments as they arise. Hope this is helpful.

Cary View Member Profile	Jun 6 2007, 10:11 AM Post #2
Ragin Cajun Group: Valued Member Posts: 3,691 Joined: 14-August 06 From: Baton Rouge, LA Member No.: 5	Good one Rob.

Carl Bank View Member Profile	Jun 6 2007, 11:19 AM Post #3
Group: Valued Member Posts: 3,114 Joined: 21-October 06 From: Berlin Member No.: 121	Rob, this is what I call accurate. I'm glad you don't work for the german IRS and check my accountings ... not my real name, btw: Carl (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

painter View Member Profile	Jun 6 2007, 11:39 AM Post #4
∞* M E R C U R I A L *∞ Group: Valued Member Posts: 5,870 Joined: 25-August 06 From: SFO Member No.: 16	For copy and paste: CODE [b]1. Claim - There are No pilots at pilotsfor911truth.org[/b] [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html[/url] All above names who are pilots certified by the FAA can be cross referenced here... [url="https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/"]https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/[/url] Pilots Question 9/11 (photos here) [url="http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html"]http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html[/url] [b]2. Claim - The FDR Data stops/is missing 2-6 seconds of data west of the pentagon wall[/b] FDR Recorders built to .5 sec lag maximum standard [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7152"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=7152[/url] Radar Altitude Confirms too high [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=4801"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=4801[/url] NTSB plots aircraft 1 second away from pentagon wall. [url="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myphotos1960/093744.jpg"]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myp...1960/093744.jpg[/url] [url="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myphotos1960/jimritter.jpg"]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myp...0/jimritter.jpg[/url] American 77 Flight Recorder Position Data - DME Video [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10751"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=10751[/url] Lat/Long/DME [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=5388&view=findpost&p=8305238"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...t&p=8305238[/url] Putting Fdr "delay" Myth To Rest [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=13846"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13846[/url] INS vs DME [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=15047"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=15047[/url] [b]2a. Claim - The data file terminates at a point west of the Pentagon based on altitude correlation of the MC values recorded by the PLA and IAD radar facilities and the full set of DME data matched to the various VOR's used along the flight path. [/b] FDR Positional/DME Data obtained from a file (RO2) which was decoded by software not intended for use with Aircraft Accident Investigation. Above claim ignores this point. Pilots For 9/11 Truth have not used RO2 for any official analysis published on our main site due to this point alone. Although, we have shown Radar Altitude from RO2 in conjunction with claims made still place the aircraft too high. See claim 3. Above Radar data processed by a person with an extreme bias for the govt story, has made numerous math errors in the past regarding simple vector analysis and has been shown to be in error of their radar analysis. Above claimant does not know the difference between pressure and true altitude and has admitted a "large potential for human error" in his Radar plot/analysis. When invited for debate by a 3rd party moderator on above claim(s), P4T accepted, claimant refused. "In general, the final AA77 data in the raw [radar] file differs materially from the processed file." [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?s=&showtopic=16413&view=findpost&p=10765222"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10765222[/url] "aa77" Final Approach Ground Speed Determination From The 84rades Radar Data, 84Rades and FDR data mutually INCONSISTENT? [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=15913"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=15913[/url] Altitude Correlation determined above based on primary RADES radar returns. NTSB states. "... [b]the altitude estimates from these returns are subject to potentially large errors[/b]" when attempting to correlate primary RADES altitude data for Egypt Air 990. Points within the RADES Data have the alleged AA77 in excess of 50,000 feet. [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=13211"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13211[/url] RADES Altitude Data is not reliable for correlating position. Altitude Data impossible to correlate due to inoperative Mode C. Nav 1 DME recorded 1.5 NM off DCA VOR. The above claim ignores this point. American 77 Flight Recorder Position Data - DME Video [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10751"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=10751[/url] DME Slant Range errors are ignored by above claim. Repetitive DME returns in excess of regulation intervals in RO2 ignored by above claim. INS Errors are ignored by above claim (AA77 RO2 positional data shows aircraft departing roughly 3,000 feet south of IAD Runway 30. Illustration - [url="http://www.aa77fdr.com/readout2/LNTTTPos.jpg"]http://www.aa77fdr.com/readout2/LNTTTPos.jpg[/url] INS vs DME [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=15047"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=15047[/url] See Claim 2 for more information on "missing seconds". [b]3. Claim - There is altimeter lag in the animation and csv file due to flying outside the aircraft envelope.[/b] Airdata Calibration and Measurement [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=103"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...p?showtopic=103[/url] FDR Vertical Speed - Altimeter lag issues Addressed [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=73"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...hp?showtopic=73[/url] Radar Altitude Confirms too High [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=4801"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=4801[/url] Reserved - more info forthcoming [b]4. Claim - The Information that P4T has analyzed may not be from the NTSB (P4T may have fabricated the information and claims it came from the NTSB)[/b] csv file download and cover letters provided by Undertow [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=64"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...hp?showtopic=64[/url] Raw data decode provided by Undertow [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=4574"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=4574[/url] Animation cover letters/envelope provided by Snowgrouch [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=375"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...p?showtopic=375[/url] Animation cover letters provided by Mick Harrison [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=6205"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=6205[/url] Reserved - More forthcoming Animation provided by Third party on google video [url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6529691284366443405&q=AA77+Animation"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65...=AA77+Animation[/url] George Washington University NTSB Data [url="http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/index.htm"]http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/index.htm[/url] NTSB FOIA Website [url="http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm"]http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm[/url] NTSB FOIA Contact - Melba D. Moye 202-314-6000 NTSB FOIA Request form - [url="http://www.ntsb.gov/pubmail/pubmail.asp"]http://www.ntsb.gov/pubmail/pubmail.asp[/url] [b]5. Claim - The csv file and animation show a heading along the official flight path.[/b] csv file heading does not line up perfectly with physical damage [url="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myphotos1960/pentagonASpaint1.jpg"]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myp...gonASpaint1.jpg[/url] American 77 Flight Path in 3D [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8166"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=8166[/url] csv file was altered to show southern approach [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=5083"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=5083[/url] ThePentaCon [url="http://thepentacon.com"]http://thepentacon.com[/url] [b]6. Claim - Pilots For 9/11 Truth has not provided all the data[/b] We have provided all data which pertains to all published research and analysis that is not proprietary in nature. All information/data can be found on links above. The only information we cannot and do not provide is a proprietary Data Frame Layout which does not change our analysis in any way. Undertow can expand on this more when he sees this post. [b]7. Claim - Cover Letter Dated March 22, 2007 says Animation not "Official" that its a "working copy"[/b] Animation cover letter provided by Mick Harrison [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=6205"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=6205[/url] Animation isnt the only information we have. We also have a Raw file and csv file (see above). However, the cover letter states the animation "was not used for official purpose" which means it was never used in an investigation. It is an official copy since it was officially provided through the Freedom Of Information Act and from the NTSB. The NTSB notes in the cover letter that they want everything as accurate as possible when providing information through the FOIA, however they note one error which was made to the clock annotation. They do not account for any other possible errors regarding the animation in this cover letter. Given the fact that all we really need is the last data point - we offer the following article. FDR Recorders built to .5 sec lag maximum standard [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7152"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=7152[/url] [b]8. Claim - The Flight Data Recorder was found in the Pentagon. How can it be too high?[/b] [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7322"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=7322[/url] Can the Govt Get Their Story Straight? - Location of FDR [url="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/FDR_location_091607.html"]http://pilotsfor911truth.org/FDR_location_091607.html[/url][/quote]

Drakey View Member Profile	Jun 8 2007, 10:51 AM Post #5
Group: Valued Member Posts: 127 Joined: 24-October 06 Member No.: 155	awesome post (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif) get this submitted to 911blogger/prison planet (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Jun 8 2007, 03:31 PM Post #6
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	http://www.911blogger.com/node/9193 It was also sent to Alex.

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Jun 23 2007, 04:32 AM Post #7
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	updated with "FDR found in Pentagon" claim.

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Jul 11 2007, 01:44 AM Post #8
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	Updated "FDR is missing 2-6 seconds" claim with... QUOTE NTSB plots aircraft 1 second away from pentagon wall. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myp...1960/093744.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myp...0/jimritter.jpg

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Sep 5 2007, 02:14 AM Post #9
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	OP Edited to add: Amrican 77 Flight Path In 3D http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=8166

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Feb 16 2008, 03:02 AM Post #10
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	OP edited to add American 77 Flight Recorder Position Data and Lat/Long/DME thread. Also... numbered claims for easier reference.

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Jul 15 2008, 02:02 AM Post #11
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	Added to Claim 2 of OP. Putting Fdr "delay" Myth To Rest http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13846

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Oct 4 2008, 01:13 PM Post #12
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	Added INS vs DME to OP INS vs DME http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=15047

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Jul 15 2009, 12:13 PM Post #13
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	added Claim 2a above in Original post... Radar Positional Data vs FDR

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Nov 22 2009, 12:52 PM Post #14
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	Added newly decoded data thread/discussion under claim 2 above.

onesliceshort View Member Profile	Nov 23 2009, 08:52 PM Post #15
Group: Valued Member Posts: 2,053 Joined: 30-January 09 Member No.: 4,095	Excellent job Rob. Especially for the laymen amongst us trying to defend you guys (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The link I haven´t touched on yet as I wanted to save the best for last is the ATS thread on the detractors....sweet.

THE_DECIDER View Member Profile	May 19 2010, 02:50 AM Post #16
Group: Valued Member Posts: 432 Joined: 14-August 06 From: california Member No.: 3	wow! awsome thread and great information...

rob balsamo View Member Profile	May 9 2011, 08:50 AM Post #17
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	Added Claim 9 to OP regarding research performed by Legge/Stutt, for easier reference. 9. Claim - New Paper At The Journal Of 9/11 Studies - FDR Analysis Performed By Frank Legge and Warren Stutt Warren Stutt Decode Shows Altitude too high to Impact Pentagon http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10778240 Vertical and Lateral Acceleration do not shows signs of "impact", proving Longitudinal Deceleration was not due to "impact" as speculated by Legge/Stutt http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10794146 Warren Stutt's admitted lack of expertise with respect to FDR Investigation http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10799563 RA - PA Correlation, proving the "Altitude Divergence" calculated by Legge/Stutt was due to RA measuring from an object higher than ground level. Fatal to the Legge/Stutt argument. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10794074 If Legge/Stutt "Altitude Divergence" calculations were correct, Aircraft would be slamming into the ground. IAD ILS RWY 01R Approach Analysis, Instruments required for IFR Flight Based on Regulation. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10793490 Calculations based on Stutt Theory with respect to RA Tracking Capability, proving Stutt's theory false. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10794159 More confirmation supporting RA Tracking Capability referenced is in fact a longitudinal velocity, and not the vertical velocity as speculated by Legge/Stutt http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803407 Explains Lack Of Attention To Detail in the very first paragraph of the Legge/Stutt "Paper" http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10793061 Proof of Legge trying to weasel his way out of mis/disinformation he has presented http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10793501 A Response To Frank Legge And Warren Stutt, P4T rebuttal to Legge/Stutt "Paper" and "Rebuttal" http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21025 Warren Stutt Refuses to Address the tough questions http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803075 Legge/Stutt Admit to Leaving Erroneous References in their paper as a "Honey Pot" trap for readers http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803456 More statements from FDR Expert Dennis Ciminio http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803408 http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803429 Cit Publishes Response To David Chandler & Jonathan Cole's Joint Statement About The 9/11 Pentagon Attack http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21054

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Aug 19 2011, 03:14 PM Post #18
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	added to claim 9 in OP Warren Stutt's admitted lack of expertise with respect to FDR Investigation http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10799563

maturin42 View Member Profile	Aug 19 2011, 05:59 PM Post #19
Group: Core Member Posts: 605 Joined: 18-February 07 From: Maryland, USA Member No.: 633	Excellent, Rob. This would really be handy for bloggerites and loyalists to visit and meditate on the error of their ways.

rob balsamo View Member Profile	Jan 9 2012, 09:47 AM Post #20
Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1	added to claim 9 in OP More confirmation supporting RA Tracking Capability referenced is in fact a longitudinal velocity, and not the vertical velocity as speculated by Legge/Stutt http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803407 Warren Stutt Refuses to Address the tough questions http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803075 Legge/Stutt Admit to Leaving Erroneous References in their paper as a "Honey Pot" trap for readers http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803456 More statements from FDR Expert Dennis Ciminio http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803408 http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10803429

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