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post Oct 20 2006, 11:25 AM
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An insider account told by Karen Kwiatkowski, a retired USAF Lt. Colonel, reveals that Israeli military dignitaries had clandestine meetings with Donald Feith at the Pentagon prior to 9/11. Kwiatkowski, who worked in the DoD’s Office of Special Plans said she “couldn’t have been more relieved to be away from daily exposure to practices [she] had come to believe were unconstitutional” when she finally left government service. In an article for the American Conservative she related an incident that she said was “seared into my memory”:

“A coworker and I were suddenly directed to go down to the mall entrance to pick up some Israeli generals... The Navy lieutenant commander and I hustled down. Before we could apologize for the delay, the leader of the pack surged ahead, his colleagues in close formation, leaving us to double-time behind the group as they sped to Undersecretary Feith’s office on the fourth floor. Two thoughts crossed our minds: are we following close enough to get credit for escorting them, and do they know where they are going? We did get credit, and they did know. Once in Feith’s waiting room, the leader continued at speed to Feith’s door. An alert secretary saw this coming and had leapt from her desk to block the door. “Mr. Feith has a visitor. It will only be a few more minutes”. The leader craned his neck to look around the secretary’s head as he demanded, “Who is in there with him?” ... seeing the sign-in roster, I asked the secretary, “Do you want these guys to sign in?” She raised her hands, both palms toward me, and waved frantically as she shook her head “No, no, no, it is not necessary, not at all.” Her body language told me I had committed a faux pas for even asking the question. My fellow escort and I chatted on the way back to our office about how the generals knew where they were going (most foreign visitors to the five-sided asylum don’t) and how the generals didn’t have to sign in. I felt a bit dirtied by the whole thing...” (American Conservative: “Former Pentagon Insider: Neoconservative Propoganda Campaign Led to War” 1/19/04)

Did Israel play some sort of role on 9/11? The idea that the Mossad was somehow involved was fueled by the arrest of Israeli nationals posing as art students who were caught spying in the U.S. In the investigation into the ‘Israeli spy ring’ as many as 140 Israeli nationals were detained and questioned, some who were accused of tailing the 9/11 hijackers and a handful that supposedly had “material knowledge” of the terrorist attacks prior to September 11 as was reported in the Washington Post. No follow-up information about this investigation was ever released. The Bush White House apparently persuaded their friends at Fox News to pull the transcript of a four part news broadcast about the Israeli spies from their web site.

If 9/11 was an inside job, why would Israel be involved? What is the real nature of the US/Israeli relationship? Will Jews and Palestinians ever enjoy peace in the holy land?

The answers to these questions are as deep-rooted as they are complex...
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post Oct 20 2006, 02:53 PM
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Jerusalem plans new settlements in east
By Amy Teibel, Associated Press
@ Yahoo News, May 10 2007
The Jerusalem municipality is advancing a plan to build three new Jewish neighborhoods that would connect the city's disputed eastern sector with West Bank settlement blocs, the Haaretz newspaper reported Thursday.

The plan to build more than 20,000 apartments outraged Palestinians, who claim all of east Jerusalem as the capital of a future state.

Israeli Spying:
The Mother of all Scandals

Includes timeline of spying scandals

Money trail to Hamas begins with Israeli banks
By Adam Entous
Reuters, Sept 27 2007
One needs to read between the lines of this article. Reuters has been controlled by the Rothschild family, who have had intimate connections to the state of Israel since before its inception, for over a hundred years. Why would they report this? Will this revelation be used to cut off money transfers to the Palestinian Authority altogether?? Interesting. Article courtesy of beached

2007: Decisive Year for the Israeli-Neocon Attack Iran Plan
By Kurt Nimmo
Global Research, January 2 2007
courtesy, painter
“As an American strike in Iran is essential for our existence, we must help [them] pave the way by lobbying the Democratic Party (which is conducting itself foolishly) and US newspaper editors,” declares Israeli Brigadier General Oded Tira. “We need to do this in order to turn the Iranian issue to a bipartisan one and unrelated to the Iraq failure.”

Open Door Policy
A strange thing happened on the way to the war
by Karen Kwiatkowski
The American Conservative
January 19, 2004 issue
Insider Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski recalls escorting a group of Israeli Generals to Douglas Feith's office while she worked at the Pentagon

Olmert Under Fire For Implying Israel Has Nukes
SPIEGEL International, December 12 2006
(Whooops !)
courtesy, Carl Banks

U.S. vetoes U.N. resolution condemning Israel on Gaza
by Irwin Arieff
Reuters, Nov 11, 2006
courtesy, batmanchester

US, Israel planned ME war
Special Report
News 24, 13 Aug 2006
The US government was closely involved in the planning of Israel's military operations against Islamic militant group Hezbollah even before the July 12 kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers, The New Yorker magazine reported in its latest issue...

Attention Deficit Americans Are Being Misled to War
by Paul Craig Roberts
antiwar.com, July 15 2006
The Israelis, seeing the growing domestic opposition to Bush’s wars of choice, concluded that they are in danger of losing America’s military intervention in behalf of their Middle East interests. Israel decided to force the issue...

Watching Gaza:
"The Genovese Syndrome"
by By James Zogby
Washington Watch,July 6, 2006
Some of you won’t remember her, but many in my generation will recall the horror and shame they felt after hearing the story of how she was raped and stabbed to death on a New York City street in 1964. What shocked the nation was the fact that 37 witnesses heard Kitty’s cries but did nothing to help. Years later, social scientists, studying this disturbing passivity, termed it the “Genovese Syndrome”.

That’s how I feel about what is happening in Gaza today...
courtesy, TheQuest

The Challenge of Hamas to Fatah
by Jonathan Schanzer
Middle East Quarterly, Spring 2003
Comments on the outcome of the Fatah-Hamas summit held in Cairo in mid-November 2002, this article also gives an overview of the history of Hamas-Fatah relations.
Interestingly, the relations between Fatah and Hamas have always been tumultuous. The two groups have a long history of attempting to undermine one another. Indeed, the Fatah-Hamas conflict is looming as the next "struggle for Palestine"—the outcome of which is far from certain.

A Conservative Total for U.S. Aid to Israel: $91 Billion—and Counting
By Shirl McArthur
Congress Watch, January/February 2001

How to profit from "The War on Terror" while controlling the datasphere
Controversial tech firm makes big bucks off of the 'War on Terror', but do they compromise National Security?

Libertythink, March 15 2003
Verint, (which used to be called Comverse Infosys, but was quickly renamed when the FBI started several investigations against it and arrested some of its employees in the US on suspicion of espionage), is closely connected to Verisign... Comverse Infosys was one of the subjects of Carl Cameron's explosive four part series on Fox News concerning Israeli spying, as well as Amdocs, a company that generates billing data for almost every call made in America, that may be used for intelligence purposes.

The Hamas Triumph
by Graham Usher
The Nation, February 2, 2006
Three factors contributed to Hamas's victory: Palestinian disillusionment that peace or a return to meaningful negotiations with Israel were anywhere on the horizon; appreciation for Hamas's record of clean and selfless service providing as well as its role in the armed resistance, widely seen as the cause of Israel's withdrawal from Gaza this past summer; and, above all, profound antipathy generated by a decade of Fatah's misrule of the PA, capped by the PA's failure to bring political progress, economic recovery, law or order in the aftermath of the Gaza withdrawal.

What does Hamas do with "an election win that is bigger than its capabilities?" asks Gaza-based Palestinian analyst Nasser Aliwar...

You're not gonna get a balanced view on any of this from any one place IMO. In my humble opinion, you have to read from a variety of sources and take it all with a grain of salt. That applies to everything in this topic BTW. Here is an article on the History of Jeruselem from one such source:
History of Jeruselem
Israeli Gov. press office
Jerusalem has emerged as a major point of contention in Israel's negotiations with its Arab neighbors, particularly the Palestinians. Claims of historic, religious and legal rights to the city have been asserted by the various parties to the conflict and, accordingly, these three aspects should be reviewed:
In discussing Jerusalem, history matters...

Israeli Shelling Kills 18 Civilians In Gaza
Europe Condemns, But U. S. Stops Short
by Nidal al-Mughrabi
Reuters, Nov 8, 2006
BEIT HANOUN, Gaza (Reuters) - Israeli artillery shells killed 18 Palestinian civilians in northern Gaza on Wednesday, local officials and witnesses said, prompting swift vows of retaliation from militant groups.

It was the deadliest single Israeli attack on Palestinians in four years.
courtesy, batmanchester

High-Fivers and Art Student Spies
What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?

by Christopher Ketcham
@ Counter-Punch, March 7, 2007
About alleged Mossad involvment in the 9/11 attacks...

Jewish Inroads in Muslim Quarter
Settlers' Project to Alter Skyline of Jerusalem's Old City

By Scott Wilson
Washington Post, February 11 2007

(Nazi) In the service of the Jewish state
By Shraga Elam and Dennis Whitehead
In the late 1940s, Walther (Walter) Rauff, an SS officer who was responsible for the murder of at least 100,000 people and was wanted by the Allies as a war criminal, was employed by the Israeli secret service. Instead of bringing him to justice it paid him for his services and helped him escape to South America. Documents of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that have been released over the past several years show that the Americans were aware that Rauff's case was not exceptional.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/843805.html archive
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post Oct 20 2006, 02:53 PM
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Posts and Threads

Operation Clean Break
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
thread started by batmanchester
Article, video and comment about a noteworthy paper (regarding Israeli foreign and domestic policy) that emerged from discussion among prominent neoconservatives. One of the things the paper recommends:
Change the nature of its relations with the Palestinians, including upholding the right of hot pursuit for self defense into all Palestinian areas...

Gaza SCREAMING For Revenge,
Palestinians Call For Death To Israel
thread started by batmanchester
started Nov 10 2006
live feed shows body parts still being collected.............mothers and fathers screaming for revenge...

Hezbollah says peace is dead. callas for renewed attacks against israel.

Israel, 9/11 and Disinformation
thread started by waterdancer
started Dec 01 2006
My goal here is to present some interesting information and/or disinformation for your perusal. The problem: I don't know what is what. To my mind, the possibility is quite good that many of these things could be Pysop/disinformation in order to plant false trails. I'm just going to present a few of the more interesting ones; you'll have to decide for yourselves what you think they may or may not mean or reveal.

Carter Book On Israel 'apartheid' Sparks Debate
Scholar Resigns From Ga. Center
thread started by batmanchester
Dec 7 2006
The book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," traces the ups and downs of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process beginning with Carter's 1977-1980 presidency...
...it is sharply critical of Israeli policy and concludes that "Israel's continued control and colonization of Palestinian land have been the primary obstacles to a comprehensive peace agreement in the Holy Land."
includes link to Wahington Post article
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A Clean Break:A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
By Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser
Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, 1996
Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq. This has triggered a Jordanian-Syrian rivalry to which Asad has responded by stepping up efforts to destabilize the Hashemite Kingdom, including using infiltrations. Syria recently signaled that it and Iran might prefer a weak, but barely surviving Saddam, if only to undermine and humiliate Jordan in its efforts to remove Saddam.
Since Iraq's future could affect the strategic balance in the Middle East profoundly, it would be understandable that Israel has an interest in supporting the Hashemites in their efforts to redefine Iraq, including such measures as: visiting Jordan as the first official state visit, even before a visit to the United States, of the new Netanyahu government; supporting King Hussein by providing him with some tangible security measures to protect his regime against Syrian subversion; encouraging — through influence in the U.S. business community — investment in Jordan to structurally shift Jordan’s economy away from dependence on Iraq; and diverting Syria’s attention by using Lebanese opposition elements to destabilize Syrian control of Lebanon.


Palestine is still the Issue

a special report by John Pilger
from islamicvideos.net @ google

Peace, Progoganda & the Promised Land

Bathsheba Ratzkoff and Sut Jhally
(must see documentary)

Israeli Spy Ring
Fox News, December 2001
A four-part report by Carl Cameron which was later withdrawn by Fox News with no explanation.
Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to Sept. 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States.  
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiAC6FEN15o
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9TIqXg-8LU
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsIRIA-uXGA
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlcEYkVVugo

Holy City: Jerusalem in time, space and imagination
A great little site - follow the links to get a quick overview of the history of Jeruselem and the source of the conflict

If Americans Knew
Sourced statistics and information about Israel and the Palestinian conflict
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