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post Dec 8 2010, 03:18 AM
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QUOTE (Sanders @ Dec 7 2010, 10:59 AM) *
Jobs move overseas because the US over-regulates (and taxes) businesses to the point of pushing them out. Wages and unions are a part of it, but faulting corporations for trying to make money is like shouting at the rain. But the more relevant point is, it is all intentional and by design. The outsourcing of America's manufacturing base is the result of a 100 year long trend, couched in "Universal Laws" which have taken powers from the states and allowed the Federal Government to regulate everything under the sun under the guise of its inter-state commerce powers (enumerated in the Constitution). I even suspect that the big corporate scandals, like Enron, are fomented ... they are always followed by more regulations which in fact give the biggest corporations advantage over smaller businesses, pushing them aside.

The super-rich are in power, they hold the reigns. The only way to get power back is to go back to basics ... get rid of the FED (and in turn their control over the volume of money and the business cycle), repeal any regulations that are not sensible and necessary or that infringe on the rights of the people to conduct business freely, and so level the playing field. Of course none of that will ever happen, but barring that, we're at their mercy whether the system is capitalistic, socialistic, democratic, whatever. They don't care ... so long as we don't revert back to a truly free capitalist society under a constitutional republic as the founders envisioned ... which America prospered under ... the bankers hate that ... they spent a full century trying to get around it. And they did.


Wow you really are indoctrinated in capitalism. If you look at most of history before 1929 you will see big business had free rein,no unions,no safety laws,no pollution laws,no accountability. And workers got miserable working conditions,low or no pay,children had to work. Left to their own self regulation big business would pollute all aspects of our lives. If you truly believe in capitalism then repeal all labour laws,all child labour laws, get rid of Unions,the EPA,the FDA,the SEC and anything else that gets in the way of profit margins as CEO's and shareholders really need that money and they showed how responsible they can be with the Great Depression,the S and L scandal and the Global Fraud Crisis. Corporations were temporary constructs until the 20th century,Unions didn't exist till the 20th century, Women and minorities didn't have the vote till the 20th century. Show me one time in history where the workers (the majority) and big business both had it so good because there was little government regulation. Germany has high taxes,over regulates but has a highly paid workforce and a banking system and business culture that supports that and workers rights,pollution laws. The US businesses have outsourced because you have let them take over your democracy and made you into a consumer dependent economy. You never recognise when a socialist action has helped you or protected your businesses. In W Bush's early years he put a 30% tariff on imported steel stopping non subsidised steel from Australia. The defence force is a socialist construct,the subsidies for Oil exploration socialist,the farmers subsidy second only to the EU a socialist action.
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post Dec 8 2010, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE (kaz @ Dec 7 2010, 09:18 PM) *
Show me one time in history where the workers (the majority) and big business both had it so good because there was little government regulation.

Ever heard of Andrew Jackson?

He did away with the Central Bank and put gold & silver coins in the working man’s pocket…no debt and no inflation...

1815 to 1850 was great…especially out West…

But on the other hand you are correct because the majority of Americans...let America go down the drain because they were [and still are] too busy watching the “Boob-tube” and eating TV diners.
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post Dec 12 2010, 03:02 PM
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Kaz wrote,

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As always you look at life through a simple prism. You never see the reason why their might be a backlash against" illegal immigrants "and in the US where private companies are worshipped like churches it could never be their fault.
For the past past forty years and especially after the Soviets fell the Big Business end of town has been going overseas to find cheap labour, no unions,no workers rights ,no safety, no 401's, no anti pollution laws etc,etc...business nirvana. The most clear example of this is Mexico where most of the top 500 businesses in the US have set up shop. Read Naomi Klein's "No Logo" sometime. And as the US has just gone through almost 15 years of boom where average workers wages dropped and the elite received obscene wages it has all become more clear after the Global Fraud Crisis happened. Here we had private enterprise bag junk debt got their buddies the ratings agencies to AAA rate them then sold them round the world. The best trick was that they have successfully passed on that debt mainly to the US and Europe (not Germany as it has a banking/finance system that invests in big and small business/innovation,education and subsequently has a highly paid and skilled workforce ) and now the taxpayer is on the hook. This has resulted in a huge loss in jobs as a people are looking to survive they become more desperate for jobs. So the low paid menial jobs mainly done by Mexicans (economic refugees) are up for grabs. When you have let big US companies go to Mexico and treat that country and its workforce like a sewer you can expect those same people to look for better wages and conditions over the border. Get the Big companies to pay decent wages and give good conditions in Mexico then the flow of refugees will almost stop and when they have cleaned up the drug cartels their wages may even become higher than yours, then you can become the economic refugees (your illegal immigrants) and cross into Mexico.



I agree with everything you've said in the above post. Are you surprised? I never said corporations weren't mostly responsible. Where on earth did you get the idea otherwise? Corporations are in my opnion bringing many legal and illegal aliens for 2 main purposes; to help bust unions thus driving down salaries for US born workers and to also replace many people that have left the US to return to their native countries post 911. I know this because I have spoken with legal immigrants over the last 10 years that believe the US has in effect lost it's mind and no longer represents decency, integrety not to mention, sanity. Yes, corporations also pollute environments in other countries (see Union Carbide in Bopal, India and GM in Mexico) as well our own and exploit workers in foreign countries (see Nike). The only reason you haven't heard me say this yet is because this thread needed to progress to the point it has now, that and the indirect route taken to arrive at this place.

I see the illegal AND legal immigration thing as part and parcel of the greater NWO/Corporate/Zionist/Christian Zionist/Masonic agenda - it's all about one world government and countries with fluid boundaries along with corportions (who actually have CIA, military and intelligence CEOs) writing foreign and domestic policy. The immigration issue is just the tip of the iceberg. All this being said, I also believe that Zionists feel safer in a multi-cultural country because the host country is then easier to control, so my beef isn't so much against multi-culturalism but rather how multi-culturalism is being used to weaken workers' political clought, and to divide and conquer a country that does not wish to engage in the senseless genocide of millions of people around the world. This is what I was ultimately getting at.

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Do you watch a lot of David Duke (I'm not a racist but would just like a white only culture)?


And you accuse me of simplistic responses? Like I told you earlier, many times in fact, I am part American Indian, atheist and have a Jewish friend and black friends, as well as many white friends. To your question about David Duke, look how good "mult-culturalism" worked out for the American Indians or blacks in this country. That being said, I think it is very arrogant of the USA to go around the world destroying sovereign countries of other ethnicities, religions and cultures, stealing their precious resources while pushing fake agendas like "global warming", "terrorism" and "the case for legalization of illegal immigrants " here in the USA. And please, don't again tell me China is multi-cultural because it has a few different religions or smaller cultural sects. One thing that China has had for CENTURIES is a shared national culture and history without immigration from other cultures and the associated differences, issues and "selfish" agandas that come with them. So you see, it's not about race in any given country so much as it is about how the collective population sees themselves, and their shared history, and how they fit in their country and the world at large. That is why I believe you can have a mostly white, black, and latino multicultural USA that feels their country has been hijacked by Zionists which is exactly what has happened. And this is why you see latinos and blacks that are in the USA LEGALLY, whether because of slavery or legal immigration that have both taken a stand against illegal immigration. This is what I have been driving at - the cry of "discrimination" and "racism" is being used against those that question the reasons behind the never ending flow of illegal aliens to this country and the push by corrupt politicians to "legalize" them.

Israel owns the USA- Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SbxnY14Snw

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post Dec 19 2010, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE (Quest @ Dec 12 2010, 03:02 PM) *
Kaz wrote,




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I see the illegal AND legal immigration thing as part and parcel of the greater NWO/Corporate/Zionist/Christian Zionist/Masonic agenda - it's all about one world government and countries with fluid boundaries along with corportions (who actually have CIA, military and intelligence CEOs) writing foreign and domestic policy. The immigration issue is just the tip of the iceberg. All this being said, I also believe that Zionists feel safer in a multi-cultural country because the host country is then easier to control, so my beef isn't so much against multi-culturalism but rather how multi-culturalism is being used to weaken workers' political clought, and to divide and conquer a country that does not wish to engage in the senseless genocide of millions of people around the world. This is what I was ultimately getting at.

Kaz wrote: You really try and incorporate a few diametrically opposed groups and believe they are one homogenised group with a single agenda. Over the years I have found americans paranoid about the rest of the world because they were never taught or never bothered to find out what the rest of the world got up to. You play catch up with your history and you only apply that history which suits your theory. I have had this discussion with another person by email and he believes in the NWO etc and that the Holocaust either didn't happen or wasn't so bad and like you thinks Hitler,Japan and Stalin were all puppets of the zionists I don't.
The reason you have lobbyists,CEO's etc running a lot of your government policy is the american people can't be bothered voting in big numbers,never support a third choice candidate, and invest little time in politics. You totally distrust government but even if you say you hate corporations you seemingly hand over all your personal details,your money and your labour quite willingly. I really wish the US would get over the cold war mentality with everything being simply socialist/capitalist,black/white, good/evil, life is never that simple and if you allowed real political discourse to take place in your country then you would realise there is a whole lot of Grey out there. And even one person can hold a number of views which may be socialist,capitalist or even fascist all at the same time. If you live on Earth you have to come to grips with the fact that there is one species of human and we are made up of thousands of different languages and cultures. This has happened geographically,by the rise and fall of empires,travel,food shortages etc. We now live in a world where travel is cheap and quick,we are living much longer and we can read about each others cultures instantaneously on the Net. You seem to be in fear of this, perhaps you should look at embracing it. I think what you yearn for is what most people really want deep down. Respect,peace,freedom and justice that is applied equally to all. In other words the world can look like it is trying to become a one world government as people try and get their countries to accept these universal truths. And the only real way to do this is by having accountability. What has happened in the 20th/21st centuries is many new forms of rule have been trying to win out over all others as certain countries seek empire by war or economic means. And we have seen the worst massacres throughout history because we can kill on an industrial scale. But during this time we have seen the rise of science,freedom,workers rights etc...which has given us better medicine,food production ,living and working conditions with the result that even after all these massacres there are far more of us and we are living longer and better lives. Your theories tend to ignore those simple facts.


And you accuse me of simplistic responses? Like I told you earlier, many times in fact, I am part American Indian, atheist and have a Jewish friend and black friends, as well as many white friends. To your question about David Duke, look how good "mult-culturalism" worked out for the American Indians or blacks in this country. That being said, I think it is very arrogant of the USA to go around the world destroying sovereign countries of other ethnicities, religions and cultures, stealing their precious resources while pushing fake agendas like "global warming", "terrorism" and "the case for legalization of illegal immigrants " here in the USA. And please, don't again tell me China is multi-cultural because it has a few different religions or smaller cultural sects. One thing that China has had for CENTURIES is a shared national culture and history without immigration from other cultures and the associated differences, issues and "selfish" agandas that come with them. So you see, it's not about race in any given country so much as it is about how the collective population sees themselves, and their shared history, and how they fit in their country and the world at large. That is why I believe you can have a mostly white, black, and latino multicultural USA that feels their country has been hijacked by Zionists which is exactly what has happened. And this is why you see latinos and blacks that are in the USA LEGALLY, whether because of slavery or legal immigration that have both taken a stand against illegal immigration. This is what I have been driving at - the cry of "discrimination" and "racism" is being used against those that question the reasons behind the never ending flow of illegal aliens to this country and the push by corrupt politicians to "legalize" them.

Israel owns the USA- Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SbxnY14Snw


Multiculturalism didn't work out for Native Americans or blacks because white people/christians thought they were a superior culture and that everyone had to be christian or a heathen. So are you a David Duke fan?. Terrorism (IRA,CIA) and Global warming are real. But of course on the Terrorism side there has been False Flag operations(911) to scare an over top response by the US military and its citizens. Anti-Global warming scaremongering has been whipped up by the Coal,Oil,big end of town the very same people you accuse of setting up the global warming argument and new world order...they appear to be on both sides of the argument. Even if you will never believe in global warming/climate change perhaps you might consider this. Humans and animals can't breathe CO2, methane,carbon monoxide,sulphur dioxide etc yet we are hell bent on pumping as much as we can into the air. The rivers and land are being either destroyed or polluted by us on an industrial scale. We are tapping into finite resources that aren't available in most countries of the world. The two fastest growing economies China and India (2.2 billion) are going to demand their share of the carbon resources, do you think the US will get their fair share? So something has to give, more wars over resources,more wars over "this land is my land" people. Or perhaps we could find a better way with a long term solution. Where we use our brains and start cleaning up our air,river,lands,start recycling resources when we can, use sustainable clean energy that we can source in our own back yards. Empowering people around the world by decentralising energy sources and not having to ask/trick them into sacrificing their lives just to get more Oil. I think your problems will go away if you can get over your phobia of different cultures and you work together to weed out corruption. But that might seem too much like socialism...another scary monster you have to deal with.
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post Dec 23 2010, 02:07 PM
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Kaz wrote,
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Multiculturalism didn't work out for Native Americans or blacks because white people/christians thought they were a superior culture and that everyone had to be christian or a heathen.


That was my point, Kaz. The bottom line is that "multiculturalism" didn't work for the Indians, not then and not now unless you consider Indian owned gambling casinos "success". That being said, isn't this what is going on in Israel, a majority culture that thinks it's superior to its' minorities? How is multi-culturalism working out for Christians, Arabs, blacks and Latinos in Israel? Why is the US giving billions to support a racist country?

Kaz wrote,
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So are you a David Duke fan?


No, I am not a Duke "fan". Why do you keep going there? Because I believe a monolithic culture/race country like China has a right to be sovereign? Are you suggesting the Chinese are all "Duke fans" for wanting to preserve their heritage and history? Ridiculous. If the American Indians collectively could forsee the destruction of their land by European 'immigration' would they be "Duke fans" for not wanting them here? Are the Chinese and American Indians "white nationalists"? My dear friend, you have been THOUROUGHLY brainwashed by the 911 perp-controlled media, so much that I am even surprised you believe 911 was an inside job. For the last time, Kaz, I am part American Indian, i am an atheist, I have Black friends, a Jewish friend and and also have friends that have Jewish, black friends as well as Latino friends and all agree that 911 was an inside job and they are not the least happy about it. Are they "Duke fans" as well? I'll keep saying it again and again because I believe you are nothing more than a troll and are simply trying to bait me. If that's your game you can forget it. Did you not hear me say my beef with "multicultalism" is how it is being used as a weapon to weaken the US workers political clought by pitting one group against another and to drive down wages while we are simultaneously shipping jobs overseas? And by US workers, I mean workers of ALL color who are here LEGALLY. I also think if monolithic race/culture China wants to retain their culture and history it's none of your business.

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Terrorism (IRA,CIA) and Global warming are real. But of course on the Terrorism side there has been False Flag operations(911) to scare an over top response by the US military and its citizens. Anti-Global warming scaremongering has been whipped up by the Coal,Oil,big end of town the very same people you accuse of setting up the global warming argument and new world order...they appear to be on both sides of the argument. Even if you will never believe in global warming/climate change perhaps you might consider this. Humans and animals can't breathe CO2, methane,carbon monoxide,sulphur dioxide etc yet we are hell bent on pumping as much as we can into the air. The rivers and land are being either destroyed or polluted by us on an industrial scale. We are tapping into finite resources that aren't available in most countries of the world. The two fastest growing economies China and India (2.2 billion) are going to demand their share of the carbon resources, do you think the US will get their fair share? So something has to give, more wars over resources,more wars over "this land is my land" people. Or perhaps we could find a better way with a long term solution. Where we use our brains and start cleaning up our air,river,lands,start recycling resources when we can, use sustainable clean energy that we can source in our own back yards. Empowering people around the world by decentralising energy sources and not having to ask/trick them into sacrificing their lives just to get more Oil. I think your problems will go away if you can get over your phobia of different cultures and you work together to weed out corruption. But that might seem too much like socialism...another scary monster you have to deal with
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So in other words, 911 was an "honorable" act by the power-elite? 'Terrorists' (actually government-controlled useful idiots like US soldier Tim McVeigh/OKC) will commit horrible acts so the CIA is justified for doing the same to steer public opinion to the goal of one-world-goverment run by trillionaires with no allegiance to anyone but themselves? If this is what you believe why not have the guts to come out and say it, after all, it IS what you are implying. The US-assisted genocide of MILLIONS in the (Prescott Bush/OSS/Hitler and Wall Street/Bolshevik genocides) were all worthy causes because of fear of future "global warming" or competing economies by countries not part of the western power-elite, true? Is this what you believe? The problem here is that MOST of so-called terrorist acts are actually carried out by GOVERNMENTS, not by auto-mechanics, bakers and grocery baggers, you know, ordinary people. So, who are the REAL terrorists? Wouldn't that be people that kill MILLIONS or prop up dictators who do the same?

My impression is the IRA is a fraud run by useful idiots and intelligence agencies, similar to the KKK or Al-CIAda but apparently you believe otherwise. Regarding your statement, "Humans and animals can't breath CO2", to plants, CO2 is food and they eat what we emit. We not only peacefully coexist, we DEPEND on each other. POLLUTION is another story but don't confuse the small amount of CO2 produced by humans with pollution.
Water Vapor clip From "Global Warming or Global Governance"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K68zKv0vXI

After all is said and done my impression is that these various groups, companies and individuals that make up the 911 perps have been in power for a long time and have no intention of giving that power up. They will lie, cheat, steal and genocide MILLIONS around the world to keep that power. There is no allegiance to the common man as evidenced by the genocides of peoples from soveriegn countries and countries without a central (Rothschild) bank, in particular, are targets. We are mere sheep to them and are only free as the powers that be can afford us to be. All this talk about "racism", "immigration", "terrorism" and "global warming" are used to justify their power grab so the elite can sleep at night. So let's not kid ourselves, however POTENTIONALLY important some of these issues may be, they are twisted, and disfigured and turned into tools for elite (in their minds) criminals for their own selfish purposes. In other words, they, the 911 perps, siezed power and stay in power because they have brainwashed themselves into believing everyone else will screw up the planet. In the meantime, the 911 perps genocide millions, live in luxury mansions (see Al -Mr. Global Warming - Gore and his recent purchase of an 8 million dollar sea-side home), are carted around in limos and jets living the high-life while us working slobs worry about when the next Al-CIAda attack is coming. Sounds like nothing more than a class war that has poor people in one country killing poor people in another country. Great. Just great.

With your last post, Kaz, I seriously doubt your objectivity or knowledge of the subject matter being discussed and will no longer respond to you. Signing out.

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An incredibly powerful video. Note the mention of the Christian Zionist element and one of it's representatives, Newt Gingrich, at 4:15.

Criminal State - Part 1 of 3: A Closer Look at Israel's Role in Terrorism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNjb1MGmGDc...layer_embedded#!
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