IPBFacebook



POSTS MADE TO THIS FORUM ARE THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AUTHOR AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE VIEWS OF PILOTS FOR 911 TRUTH
FOR OFFICIAL PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH STATEMENTS AND ANALYSIS, PLEASE VISIT PILOTSFOR911TRUTH.ORG


DIGITAL DOWNLOADS

WELCOME - PLEASE REGISTER OR LOG IN FOR FULL FORUM ACCESS ( Log In | Register )

4 Pages V   1 2 3 > »   
Reply to this topicStart new topic
The Light Poles Were Staged In Advance., ..not by a plane, explosives, or vortex.

Craig Ranke CIT
post Oct 19 2007, 01:34 AM
Post #1





Group: Contributor
Posts: 1,072
Joined: 15-October 06
Member No.: 75



The downed light poles at the Pentagon are arguably the most convincing evidence that a 757 caused the physical damage that day.

But now that we know the plane was on the north side of the CITGO station it is clear that they got there somehow else.

This is compounded by the fact that it is physically impossible for Lloyd England's story to be true.

This may seem like a complex task but it would actually be quite simple for the suspect in question to accomplish.

First realize that the area is the literal backyard of the suspect and one of the most highly secured areas in the nation.

It's right by the heliport where the President travels from quite often and in fact he had left from there the day before and was scheduled to return there that afternoon!


Heliport firefighter Allan Wallace:
QUOTE
Our first helicopter flight was around 10AM.  But we were expecting President George W. Bush to land in Marine One around 12 Noon, returning from Jacksonville, Florida.  (He had actually left from the Pentagon the day before.)  Needless to say, neither flight arrived at the Pentagon that day because of the terrorist attacks. 
source


This means that they had all the excuse they needed to "secure" the area in preparation for his arrival and this would even be quite routine and expected for the people in the area since the President travels from there regularly.


The poles could have been removed in the middle of the night on any night prior to the event in what could have been made to look like regular late night road work.

Then the pre-fabricated damaged poles could be put in place perhaps at 4:00am on 9/11 or even later in the day while they were "securing" the area for the President's scheduled arrival.

4 of the 5 poles were hidden off to the side on the grass.


I'll address pole 1 in a bit.

There isn't a reason that any of them would cause a reason for alarm or notice by any of the morning rush hour traffic even if they could be seen.

Pole 2 was completely hidden and poles 4 and 5 were down on slopes.

They were all on Pentagon property/jurisdiction/control which could have been on serious lock down due to the President's scheduled arrival.



But the bottom line is that EVEN IF someone did happen to see a pole on the ground and remember and EVEN IF they put 2 and 2 together after the fact and called the FBI obviously nothing would have happened.

But they most likely would NOT put 2 and 2 together because the light poles were an insignificant tiny blip on the most historically tragic day in U.S. history.

The average public has absolutely no clue about the light poles at all and even many in the movement aren't aware of them.

The poles have not been covered in a single official report either.

This seemingly impossible scenario to stage would have been child's play to do in their own backyard for the same perpetrators who pulled off a covert triple controlled demolition in downtown Manhattan.

Light pole one was likely staged after the fact and a detailed photographic look into this scene is available here.


But as a summary the possibly pre-damaged cab could have been towed or driven to it's spot where they partially blocked traffic and placed it. Minutes later feds rolled up and surrounded the area and completely blocked traffic.

These images show you how much control they had of the scene after blocking traffic and surrounding the area as well as how the cars on the other side of the highway going northbound wouldn't see anything because of the HOV lane that was already closed and had two sets of guardrails:





These images were all taken within 17 minutes maximum after the event. Traffic was already completely blocked and the entire scene was controlled.

They could have done anything they wanted and it wouldn't matter because the Pentagon was burning and nobody would care or notice the feds and the cab and the pole even if they could see them. But they can't.

Pole 1 could have been pulled from the shoulder, maybe from behind the bush, over the guardrail from the other side, or even unloaded from a truck all in about 30 seconds.

We do know it was moved before all these images were taken due to the scratch on the road:


This plain clothed federal agent with the red tie who was likely driving the white Saturn was a central figure in this scene:



The notion that the poles were blown with explosives or knocked down by the vortex of a second plane or a missile is simply not possible primarily due to the physical damage of the poles revealing that they were somehow pinched at the top:

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Craig Ranke CIT
post Oct 19 2007, 01:34 AM
Post #2





Group: Contributor
Posts: 1,072
Joined: 15-October 06
Member No.: 75



This could not have happened from explosives or the vortex of anything.

But it could have been easily pre-fabricated in advance:



Compare the damage to this same style "break-away" base of a pole from the same area that was blown over by wind to pole #4's base:


The 9/11 base is perfectly symmetrical and sooty as if it were removed with a torch while the wind blown base is more random like you would expect if it were broken by a sudden force like wind or a 90 ton jet.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Omega892R09
post Oct 19 2007, 01:20 PM
Post #3





Group: Respected Member
Posts: 2,194
Joined: 29-September 07
From: Hampshire, UK.
Member No.: 2,274



Having cut metal myself with gas flamed torches and can tell the difference between a metal fracture and a flame cut I agree on that last one.

Heck am I having trouble over on the RDF (Richard Dawkins Foundation) Forum

http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewto...=459087#p459087

getting some to understand the basics of metals and how they react to heat.

This post has been edited by Omega892R09: Oct 19 2007, 01:21 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Craig Ranke CIT
post Oct 19 2007, 01:26 PM
Post #4





Group: Contributor
Posts: 1,072
Joined: 15-October 06
Member No.: 75



QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Oct 19 2007, 05:20 PM)
Having cut metal myself with gas flamed torches and can tell the difference between a metal fracture and a flame cut I agree on that last one.

I just had a welder with 30 years experience on blogger tell me that it looks like a plasma cut.

The bases are cast aluminum.

Here is another image:

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
UnderTow
post Oct 19 2007, 02:11 PM
Post #5





Group: Respected Member
Posts: 1,421
Joined: 28-August 06
From: Virginia, USA
Member No.: 19



These two links show 1/4" aluminum that was cut with a plasma cutter

CODE
Single 1/4"
http://chevy.off-road.com/chevy/data/articlestandard/chevy/472005/199948/MVC-676S.JPG
Two 1/4" stacked
http://chevy.off-road.com/chevy/data/articlestandard/chevy/472005/199948/MVC-678S.JPG

Source article:
http://chevy.off-road.com/chevy/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=199948
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Woolfie
post Oct 19 2007, 04:42 PM
Post #6





Group: Student Forum Pilot
Posts: 82
Joined: 16-October 07
From: UK
Member No.: 2,379



Im not a welder but its easy to see they were staged....yet another blooper me thinks :ph43r:
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Omega892R09
post Oct 21 2007, 08:34 AM
Post #7





Group: Respected Member
Posts: 2,194
Joined: 29-September 07
From: Hampshire, UK.
Member No.: 2,274



QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Oct 19 2007, 12:26 PM)
I just had a welder with 30 years experience on blogger tell me that it looks like a plasma cut.

Ah well! Technology has moved on since my day. biggrin.gif

What is clear is the difference between a fracture and a heat induced cut.

Another smoking gun.

How many of these do some require before questioning official accounts?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
lunk
post Oct 21 2007, 11:36 AM
Post #8



Group Icon

Group: Administrator
Posts: 4,983
Joined: 1-April 07
Member No.: 875



Lightpoles?

Staged.

Possibly to clear the way
prior to the arrival of
an incoming something?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SPreston
post Oct 21 2007, 01:00 PM
Post #9


Patriotic American


Group: Respected Member
Posts: 518
Joined: 14-May 07
From: Where I am standing on the RUINS of the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY
Member No.: 1,045



QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 21 2007, 11:36 AM)
Lightpoles?

Staged.

Possibly to clear the way
prior to the arrival of
an incoming something?

No, there was no incoming something past the lightpoles. The incoming something was the white aircraft along the North of the Citgo flight path which pulled up and apparently flew over the Pentagon, and was too far north of the light poles to hit them. The light poles were staged so the Lincoln taxicab could be staged. Just slight of hand magician's tricks to cover the explosives going off inside the Pentagon and the hollywood special effects on the outside.

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
lunk
post Oct 21 2007, 01:32 PM
Post #10



Group Icon

Group: Administrator
Posts: 4,983
Joined: 1-April 07
Member No.: 875



So, the initial hole was made
from pre-planted explosives?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Craig Ranke CIT
post Oct 21 2007, 03:21 PM
Post #11





Group: Contributor
Posts: 1,072
Joined: 15-October 06
Member No.: 75



QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 21 2007, 05:32 PM)
So, the initial hole was made
from pre-planted explosives?

Yes.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Aldo Marquis CIT
post Oct 22 2007, 01:43 AM
Post #12


Citizen Investigator


Group: Contributor
Posts: 1,179
Joined: 16-August 06
Member No.: 10



The guy in the blue shirt with his sleeves rolled up is likely the guy driving the Saturn. The guy in the white shirt and red tie pulled up in the Cherokee...



This post has been edited by Aldo Marquis CIT: Oct 22 2007, 12:56 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SPreston
post Oct 22 2007, 01:52 PM
Post #13


Patriotic American


Group: Respected Member
Posts: 518
Joined: 14-May 07
From: Where I am standing on the RUINS of the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY
Member No.: 1,045



QUOTE (hamba LC Forum)
If the missile is taken out, then what damaged the lamp posts?

Hence, this aspect of his theory has been debunked. So the next question, is what caused the damage to the lamp posts?

Answer: human hands. The simplist and most logical answer. The only answer which does not require altered laws of physics. The only answer which does not require a strong belief in magic and no common sense whatsoever. Since so many other aspects of the entire 9-11 attack on America deal with planted evidence and manufactured evidence and confiscated and censored evidence and lying witnesses with prepared scripts, this answer fits in quite well. We know that there are many people who will lie for reward and when forced to, especially these prostitutes of the mainstream news media. Their lies do not add up nor do they make any sense.

The poles were mechanically crimped on the end and the #1 pole was mechanically bent into its curved shape. The bases were cut off likely the night before, using plasma cutting torches, and the poles and other pieces carefully hidden along the roads for their dramatic presentation the next day, while Dubya hid out in Florida. The entire area was closely contained and guarded for the Dubya's visits by the Secret Service and the FBI. We all know how loyal the FBI is to the American people, with their endless manufacturing and confiscating and censoring of evidence pertinent to 9-11. They can't even charge Osama with 9-11 because they haven't yet manufactured any evidence to do so with. Any honest person can see that a 180 lb 30' long light pole could not possibly land on a 40-45 mph Lincoln automobile without destroying it. There is no possible way that 180 lb light pole hurled 40' to 100' could pierce the windshield, miss the front seats and Lloyd, stop at the back seat, not pierce the gas tank, and not even scratch the roof or hood. This is a fairy tale; a fantasy which would not even fool little children. This is a silly storyline which belongs on Comedy Central. But there are a whole bunch of dishonest suckers who have swallowed this fish tale hook, line, and sinker. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

4 of the 5 poles were hidden off to the side on the grass. - The Light Poles Were Staged In Advance...not by a plane, explosives, or vortex. - LC Forum duplicate

The light poles were mechanically crimped on the end - an aircraft wing even at 530 mph could not have done this


Wind broken base on left and plasma cut Pentagon light pole #4 base on right

Pentagon light pole base with plasma cut


This post has been edited by SPreston: Oct 22 2007, 01:56 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SPreston
post Oct 22 2007, 11:07 PM
Post #14


Patriotic American


Group: Respected Member
Posts: 518
Joined: 14-May 07
From: Where I am standing on the RUINS of the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY
Member No.: 1,045



I think you guys will all enjoy this one. cheers.gif
LC forum The Light Poles Were Staged In Advance...not by a plane, explosives, or vortex. thread

QUOTE (SPreston)
Any honest person can see that a 180 lb 30' long light pole could not possibly land on a 40-45 mph Lincoln automobile without destroying it. There is no possible way that 180 lb light pole hurled 40' to 100' could pierce the windshield, miss the front seats and Lloyd, stop at the back seat, not pierce the gas tank, and not even scratch the roof or hood. This is a fairy tale; a fantasy which would not even fool little children. This is a silly storyline which belongs on Comedy Central. But there are a whole bunch of dishonest suckers who have swallowed this fish tale hook, line, and sinker. laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
QUOTE (mrn838)
Did anyone report seeing those poles planted? No.

The IRS doesn't wear uniforms either. Or the bean counters at the Pentagon. How many government employees do wear uniforms? The point is there is NO proof they are law enforcement or intelligence agents, just baseless assertions.

So if nobody reported them it must mean, that they were planted but nobody noticed them and if they did such reports were hushed up? The more logical explanation is that they were NOT there before, and that your story is simply assertions and assumptions strung together to play on a classic G-Man conspiracy.

As for the confiscation of security tapes, I for one am shocked that the FBI would dare actually collect evidence in a criminal investigation. They should be out doing there job. OH WAIT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING. Can you answer me this, how often does the government release all of its evidence in a criminal case to the general public?
QUOTE (Terrorcell)
I'll tell you what's really strange. One of the eyewitnesses that CIT has spoken with who was alleged to have witnessed this event.....McGraw.......yeah he actually admitted he didn't really see it happen he just deduced that it had.
QUOTE (mrn838)
So I take it you agree that this is bullshit?
QUOTE (Terrorcell)
that the 757 hit the pentagon?

oh yeah that's absolute bullshit.

I would imagine the more light pole witnesses CIT can interview the less people we will find actually saw this event really take place.

You getting a little bit panicky there, Mr mrn838 shill man?
Are you one of them corrupt FBI agents Mr mrn838 shill man
? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

This post has been edited by SPreston: Oct 22 2007, 11:08 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
hturt
post Oct 24 2007, 01:20 AM
Post #15





Group: Student Forum Pilot
Posts: 88
Joined: 28-June 07
Member No.: 1,285



Not sure if it has been pointed out on this thread, but that looks like a Virginia FD plate:
http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?p=878038
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
UnderTow
post Oct 24 2007, 11:17 AM
Post #16





Group: Respected Member
Posts: 1,421
Joined: 28-August 06
From: Virginia, USA
Member No.: 19



No. Not even close.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SPreston
post Oct 25 2007, 10:03 AM
Post #17


Patriotic American


Group: Respected Member
Posts: 518
Joined: 14-May 07
From: Where I am standing on the RUINS of the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY
Member No.: 1,045



LC Forum The Light Poles Were Staged In Advance...not by a plane, explosives, or vortex. thread

QUOTE (Yorkshire)
And the plasma cuts? I'd like more elaboration on them before posting a full reply.

Allegedly, these cast aluminum light pole designed-to-break-off bases were broken off when an aircraft wing impacted the 30' poles near the top. The clean straight lines of the break? looked suspicious, not like a fracture at all, but more like a cut. Several posters thought it looked like they were cut-off somehow, perhaps with a cutting torch. Other posters thought it was a plasma cut. Below the light pole photos are some examples of plasma cutting. Of course, it was already obvious that the light poles were staged and planted in their respective spots. No 247 lb 30' long light pole ever entered Lloyd's Lincoln taxicab windshield at 40-45+ mph and got stopped by a windshield and a leather back seat. That is ridiculous and almost impossible, just like so many other elements of this OCT 9-11 fantasy tale. A 757 Flight 77 never crashed into the Pentagon. It seems no other aircraft or missile did either. Just internally and externally planted explosives and incendiaries and hollywood special effects to do the killing and destruction. These bases are just a little more evidence pointing in that direction. biggrin.gif

Wind broken fractured base on left and apparent plasma cut Pentagon light pole #4 base on right

Another Pentagon light pole base with apparent plasma cut

The utility yard - Here are the standard light pole dimensions:

QUOTE
What is Plasma Cutting Technology?
In simplest terms, plasma cutting is a process that uses a high velocity jet of ionized gas that is delivered from a constricting orifice. The high velocity ionized gas, that is, the plasma, conducts electricity from the torch of the plasma cutter to the work piece. The plasma heats the workpiece, melting the material. The high velocity stream of ionized gas mechanically blows the molten metal away, severing the material.

How Does Plasma Cutting Compare to Oxyfuel cutting?
Plasma cutting can be performed on any type of conductive metal - mild steel, aluminum and stainless are some examples. With mild steel, operators will experience faster, thicker cuts than with alloys.

Oxyfuel cuts by burning, or oxidizing, the metal it is severing. It is therefore limited to steel and other ferrous metals which support the oxidizing process. Metals like aluminum and stainless steel form an oxide that inhibits further oxidization, making conventional oxyfuel cutting impossible. Plasma cutting, however, does not rely on oxidation to work, and thus it can cut aluminum, stainless and any other conductive material.

While different gasses can be used for plasma cutting, most people today use compressed air for the plasma gas. In most shops, compressed air is readily available, and thus plasma does not require fuel gas and compressed oxygen for operation.

Plasma cutting is typically easier for the novice to master, and on thinner materials, plasma cutting is much faster than oxyfuel cutting. However, for heavy sections of steel (1 inch and greater), oxyfuel is still preferred since oxyfuel is typically faster and, for heavier plate applications, very high capacity power supplies are required for plasma cutting applications.

What Can I Use a Plasma Cutter for?
Plasma cutting is ideal for cutting steel, and non-ferrous material less than 1 inch thick. Oxyfuel cutting requires that the operator carefully control the cutting speed so as to maintain the oxidizing process. Plasma is more forgiving in this regard. Plasma cutting really shines in some niche applications, such as cutting expanded metal, something that is nearly impossible with oxyfuel. And, compared to mechanical mean of cutting, plasma cutting is typically much faster, and can easily make non-linear cuts.

What are the limitations to Plasma Cutting? Where is Oxyfuel preferred?
The plasma cutting machines are typically more expensive than oxyacetylene, and also, oxyacetylene does not require access to electrical power or compressed air which may make it a more convenient method for some users. Oxyfuel can cut thicker sections (>1 inch) of steel more quickly than plasma
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/knowledge/a...tent/plasma.asp

QUOTE

High quality (+/- .004) plasma cutting of aluminum and stainless on a Vulcun cutting table.
http://www.maurermfg.com/plasma.htm

Although this what looks to be a sheet of perhaps 1/8" aluminum is cut on a plasma cutting table, it could also be cut with a hand-held plasma torch with much less precision.
QUOTE

The HD plasma cutting machine is capable of cutting different type of alloy materials, including:

Carbon steel
Aluminum
Stainless steel
http://www.stairwaysinc.com/company_hdplasma.htm

QUOTE

The built-in piston-driven air compressor of Hobart’s AirForce 250A gives wheelers a portable and affordable option for cutting mild steel up to 1/4 inch and
aluminum and stainless steel up to 1/8 in. For other models, check out www.HobartWelders.com
http://tool.off-road.com/tool/article/arti...l.jsp?id=325779

QUOTE


This post has been edited by SPreston: Oct 25 2007, 10:06 AM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
SPreston
post Oct 25 2007, 10:41 AM
Post #18


Patriotic American


Group: Respected Member
Posts: 518
Joined: 14-May 07
From: Where I am standing on the RUINS of the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY
Member No.: 1,045



QUOTE (hturt)
Not sure if it has been pointed out on this thread, but that looks like a Virginia FD plate:
http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?p=878038
QUOTE (UnderTow)
No. Not even close.

No, doesn't look anything like a FD plate. Secret Service? Are you guys surprised they haven't banned me yet over at LC for posting CIT material? Is it possible the admins over there are finally opening their eyes? They pretty much leave Terrorcell and Avenger alone too, as far as I can tell. They haven't given me one tiny bit of harrassment or warning. None of my threads have been locked or erased .... yet. cheers.gif

US Secret Service plain clothes division? Looks very close to US Secret Service Uniformed Division.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
UnderTow
post Oct 25 2007, 02:02 PM
Post #19





Group: Respected Member
Posts: 1,421
Joined: 28-August 06
From: Virginia, USA
Member No.: 19



Being familar with VA plates here in northern Virginia. I'd say it's most likely YLG-9976

Using my great DMV services, I have attached a sample of what I believe it to be.
Attached File(s)
Attached File  YLG9976std.jpg ( 0bytes ) Number of downloads: 21
 
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
tit2
post Feb 7 2008, 05:03 AM
Post #20





Group: Private Forum Pilot
Posts: 144
Joined: 27-April 07
From: France, Ajaccio
Member No.: 999



Here :

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

Quote :

“Considering the sheer strength of the poles I find it hard to imagine that wing wasn't severely damaged. The other thing about the light poles is that the plane was traveling very fast, about 400 MPH. If the plane hit the poles going that speed the poles wouldn't be close the road or on the road, rather they would be thrown a long way from the road, providing they didn't sheer the wings off. Hence we are talking about 5 poles here not one! »

When the Boeing 757 hit these 5 poles, it was piloted, at big speed, very near the ground. Did not these impacts risk perturbing the trajectory of the plane and crushing it on the ground ?

Video showing the wing of a plane broken by a pole :

http://www.sumo.tv/watch.php?video=3214964
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

4 Pages V   1 2 3 > » 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 




RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 8th December 2019 - 04:10 AM