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Eye Witnesses

rockymtriser
post Apr 27 2014, 03:52 AM
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So, I got drawn into a discussion with some "no-planers". I have previously avoided this argument, because it just comes across to me as ludicrous. I also feel that those promoting such theories have hindered the 9/11 Truth movement considerably, since such outrageous theories only tend to turn away rational minded people and encourage them to label all investigators of 9/11 truth as "conspiracy nuts".

But, then, I can recall thinking that anything outside of the official story was "nuts", and even treasonous. It took 7 years for me to open my eyes and look seriously into what really happened. Needless to say, once I investigated, my opinion turned around 180. So now I try to be more careful about pre-judging things...

So I got into this discussion with a couple people who are convinced that no planes hit the twin towers, that all of the video evidence of such was just computer generated graphics, a manipulation to fool the masses. I emphasized that their theory has gone astray because they are ignoring evidence, namely: eye witnesses. People saw the planes hit the buildings. (Exactly what planes is another debate, as all I've heard tends to suggest they were not actually flight AA11 and UA175, but more likely were remote controlled military planes...) I have seen interviews with eye witnesses; the no-planers respond they were lying, a part of the conspiracy. I say, those on record are but the smallest tip of the iceberg of total witnesses. In a city of over 8 million people, with smoke billowing from one of their most famous and tallest buildings after the first plane hit, surely hundreds or thousands of people were watching when the second plane showed up.

But here's the problem: I don't know any of those witnesses personally. I can't say "I know so-and-so, and they, or someone they know well and trust, did indeed witness the plane hit the building." Until I find such, I am at a disadvantage in this argument. So I have begun searching for witnesses, not only so I can speak more convincingly, but so I can know in my own mind more surely. I mean, I have been wrong before. Evidence means everything.

So I asked a couple close friends so far. One does know a witness who was in NYC on 9/11, on the opposite side of the south tower, and heard, but did not see, what she thought was an airplane and then the crash. The other friend knows of no one, though she is a deeply involved activist. She suggested that I ask here on Pilots For 9/11 Truth.

So, can anyone here tell me, did you, or someone you know and trust, actually SEE a plane collide with WTC1 or WTC2?
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Bruce Sinclair
post Apr 27 2014, 09:09 AM
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A friend of mine had a perfectly unobstructed view of the second plane hitting the tower. He was on the roof of his sister's apartment building in Brooklyn.

And now for his qualifications: He was a Boeing 747 Captain, a ex-military fighter pilot with combat experience, and a trained accident investigator. He has since retired.

So I would say he would qualify as an expert witness.

He told me right after September 11th, that in his opinion the second aircraft (he didn't see the first) was a drone by the way it was maneuvering prior to hitting the tower.

Hope this helps.
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post May 24 2015, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE (Bruce Sinclair @ Apr 27 2014, 09:09 AM) *
A friend of mine had a perfectly unobstructed view of the second plane hitting the tower. He was on the roof of his sister's apartment building in Brooklyn.

And now for his qualifications: He was a Boeing 747 Captain, a ex-military fighter pilot with combat experience, and a trained accident investigator. He has since retired.

So I would say he would qualify as an expert witness.

He told me right after September 11th, that in his opinion the second aircraft (he didn't see the first) was a drone by the way it was maneuvering prior to hitting the tower.

Hope this helps.


Thanks a lot for telling that story. thumbsup.gif
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- rockymtriser   Eye Witnesses   Apr 27 2014, 03:52 AM
- - lfecher   QUOTE (rockymtriser @ Apr 27 2014, 02:52 ...   Apr 27 2014, 04:22 AM
- - lfecher   Any investigator will tell you that during a traum...   Apr 27 2014, 04:33 AM
|- - MikeR   QUOTE (lfecher @ Apr 27 2014, 08:33 PM) A...   Apr 27 2014, 08:40 AM
- - CharlesGWright   yes this is a topic that needs to be acknowledged ...   Apr 27 2014, 06:57 AM
|- - CharlesGWright   QUOTE (CharlesGWright @ Apr 27 2014, 05:5...   Apr 27 2014, 07:11 AM
|- - amazed!   QUOTE (CharlesGWright @ Apr 27 2014, 06:5...   May 24 2015, 01:16 PM
- - paulmichael   QUOTE (rockymtriser @ Apr 27 2014, 02:52 ...   Apr 27 2014, 07:21 AM
- - MikeR   QUOTE (rockymtriser @ Apr 27 2014, 07:52 ...   Apr 27 2014, 08:21 AM
- - Bruce Sinclair   A friend of mine had a perfectly unobstructed view...   Apr 27 2014, 09:09 AM
|- - amazed!   QUOTE (Bruce Sinclair @ Apr 27 2014, 09:0...   May 24 2015, 01:20 PM
- - iceni   the Hezarkhani video. Notice that the tail of the ...   Apr 27 2014, 10:43 AM
- - kawika   FFS! What is it with the no-planers anyway? ...   Apr 27 2014, 11:03 AM
|- - amazed!   QUOTE (kawika @ Apr 27 2014, 11:03 AM) FF...   Apr 27 2014, 11:17 AM
|- - MikeR   QUOTE (kawika @ Apr 28 2014, 03:03 AM) FF...   Apr 28 2014, 10:35 PM
- - rockymtriser   Thank you for your responses lfecher, CharlesGWrig...   Apr 28 2014, 02:33 AM
- - rockymtriser   I can see how this issue could become a boxing mat...   Apr 29 2014, 01:18 AM
|- - realitycheck77   [/quote] One thing I came to realize thanks to Bar...   Apr 29 2014, 11:45 PM
- - rockymtriser   QUOTE If the Pentagon had not been attacked and th...   Apr 30 2014, 02:07 AM
- - Tamborine man   I shall keep repeating the following, again and ag...   Apr 30 2014, 11:17 PM
- - rockymtriser   So true...   May 1 2014, 05:53 AM


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