The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]

PSS: What I find disconcerting is that you are getting around 150 hits a day and no one wants to jump in with useful information.

Yeah, strange isn't it?

Lots of spam though (which I delete) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

[Sanders]

Wonderful...but so what?

Ding ding ding. I hear ya.

[elreb]

Ding ding ding. I hear ya.

Ok..ok give me something to play with that relates to your movie.

I'm very impressed but don't let that go to your head.

I do not have the ability to make such things. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/handsdown.gif)

[KrNel]

PSS: What I find disconcerting is that you are getting around 150 hits a day and no one wants to jump in with useful information.

It's not that "no one wants to", we don't have your degree of knowledge (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I'm thankful you guys keep posting. I go to work and come home and there's a bunch of stuff to read. These two threads are the only things I really keep-up with. Thank again (thumbs up). The subjects in the two threads are of great interest to me, but what particular aspect does one "jump in with"?

Everything that is mentioned requires one to go look into it oneself in order to dig up more information than was already presented. Finding a needle in a haystack is hard for those who would have to read all the data in these threads from their sources in order to pick up something new.

Time is also useful to have (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And then having something to target to look into is needed. This amount of info is massive... its daunting to pick somewhere to start that holds promise of discovering new useful information.

Thanks again for the posts Sanders and elreb (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Peace.

[Sanders]

@KrNel, thanks, that means a lot to me.

@elreb, you mentioned Pan in the "History" thread I think ... the heck with the movie, Pan has always interested me.

Isn't the area where the pagan temple ruins of Mt. Hermon are located called Pannia, or Bannia or something like that?

[elreb]

KrNel,

We all live within our windows of knowledge.

When you do decide to jump in, please ask a useful question.
Not an “Answer to an answer of a question of an explanation of a question”.

Knowledge is a journey and a quest to becoming a Master.

Sanders has shown the qualifications of becoming a Master. He is very impressive.

[elreb]

@KrNel, thanks, that means a lot to me.

@elreb, you mentioned Pan in the "History" thread I think ... the heck with the movie, Pan has always interested me.

Isn't the area where the pagan temple ruins of Mt. Hermon are located called Pannia, or Bannia or something like that?

Tomorrow , future Master…It is not “Smarter than”, it is most” know ledged”

This post has been edited by elreb: Oct 20 2010, 10:33 PM

[KrNel]

When you do decide to jump in, please ask a useful question.
Not an “Answer to an answer of a question of an explanation of a question”.

LMAO ok... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


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Woops, I had put the Arcadia / Acadia in the wrong thread...

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10790313

This post has been edited by KrNel: Oct 21 2010, 08:50 AM

[elreb]

@elreb, you mentioned Pan in the "History" thread I think ... the heck with the movie, Pan has always interested me.

Isn't the area where the pagan temple ruins of Mt. Hermon are located called Pannia, or Bannia or something like that?

Yep, you’re talking about Pan’s Cave at Panias/Banias.

The biggest thing I get out of “Pan” is “Amused” from the word Muse.

Pan appears to influence or stimulate the mind…both positive & negative.
(IMG:http://www.bibleplaces.com/images/Banias_cave_tb_n011500_wr.jpg) http://www.bibleplaces.com/banias.htm

This post has been edited by elreb: Oct 21 2010, 06:00 PM

[elreb]

Hum…Pan…

Why would Akhmin in Egypt be called Panopolis by the Greeks?

For some odd reason, the Greeks identified Min with Pan.

Amun (a Kushite god) is often pictured with a Rams head. Supposedly, a hidden god that someone (like a son) tried to look upon his face but he covered himself with a goat skin. This could relate to the Golden Fleece or even the Noah…Kham/Ham story where he tries to uncover his father.

The Ram headed Amun could also be a spin on Cain as Ptah, the craftsmen of Memphis, against Abel the Sheppard…husbandman of the highlands.

What is also interesting is the bible ending “Amen”; as being nothing more than the author’s name. Somehow, I get the feeling that “Ecclesiastes” was written by Amenhotep IV.

(IMG:http://thanasis.com/pan005r.jpg)

[elreb]

Sanders...have you seen this book?


The Evolution of the Dragon
by G. Elliot Smith
[1919]

http://www.sacred-texts.com/lcr/eod/index.htm

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This post has been edited by elreb: Oct 28 2010, 03:51 PM

[KrNel]

I've seen that dragon image in this thread somewhere.

Interesting how the book description is "matter-of-fact" on diffusionism being invalid: "a school of thought popular in the late 19th and early 20th century which attempted to trace diverse cultural phenomena to unitary geographic points of origin."

Since diffusionism isn't "correct", then all the work of diffusionists is only an "attempt" to show the link between them all. If it had some "accuracy" (which they don't think there is), they would not simply say it was an "attempt" of proving something, there would actually be some "success".

As for this quote: "Today, we know that megalithic culture preceded ancient Egyptian civilization, in some places by millennia, and developed independently in widely spaced geographic locations."

I wonder how concrete the evidence for the "independence" of megalithic development really is? What "valid" dating methods were used to determine the varying time periods and negating the possibilty of shared engineering information spanning geographical regions and temporal periods?

Do you accept these claims against diffusionists, elreb? Or do you put more merit in diffusionist principles than the mainstream has accepted?

This post has been edited by KrNel: Oct 28 2010, 05:37 PM

[elreb]

Do you accept these claims against diffusionists, elreb? Or do you put more merit in diffusionist principles than the mainstream has accepted?

I could write a small essay but the long of the short is:

1. I believe in “Catastrophic Evolution” or change because of change.
2. I believe that American Indians, Europeans and Africans (both Bantu & Berber) are unrelated as they were “before the fact”.
3. I can live with Radiometric dating, [Uraniun to Lead, carbon-14], tree-ring dating, possibly even Fission-track, Potassium-argon, Obsidian Hydration Dating, Thermoluminescence dating, and Archaeomagnetic dating but not the Sothic cycle Dog Star dating.

Dog Star dating has crumbled reality and totally destroyed history. I call it ‘Fiat History” because it is printed out of thin air w/o backing.

Now, going back to the “Guild” system…this must be taught…you just do not pick it up one day.

“The anthropologist who emphasizes the role of diffusion in the history of culture rather than independent invention or discovery” is on the right track.

America and Australia are good examples of “Change because of Change” and how outsiders brought in engineering and intelligence of the trades. If left alone the Indigenous peoples would still be using the Bow & Arrow living disease and tax free.

In fact, Egypt is also a good example. The locals were still in the “Wood Age” until outsiders from the Sea showed up. It is important to distinguish immigration from migration.

Outsider = immigration; local = migration.

Outsiders push the locals to different locations…who in turn push out that population to a new location and so on. It is during these times of movement we see cross breeding and inter-marrying.

And again…Europeans and Native American Indians are a perfect example

This post has been edited by elreb: Oct 28 2010, 05:00 PM

[Sanders]

Sanders...have you seen this book?

No. Very interesting - I'd kind of like to read it, I'm sure there's a ton of stuff in there I don't know.

I kind of feel sorry for the guy - it takes some guts to try and arrive at conclusions, many of which get bashed when new discoveries come along. But I'm basically a diffusionist and the character writing the review has his head up his dragon. No one seems to be able to wrap their heads around the idea that ancient peoples moved around in boats.

Yeah, sure, all the step pyramids, human sacrifice and dragon-worship that were part of Meso-American cultures evolved independently of the rest of the world. Suurrre.

[elreb]

I kind of feel sorry for the guy - it takes some guts to try and arrive at conclusions, many of which get bashed when new discoveries come along. But I'm basically a diffusionist and the character writing the review has his head up his dragon. No one seems to be able to wrap their heads around the idea that ancient peoples moved around in boats.

Yeah, sure, all the step pyramids, human sacrifice and dragon-worship that were part of Meso-American cultures evolved independently of the rest of the world. Suurrre.

I agree…

I think you would have liked Sir Elliot Smith, a doctor who was under the spell of Eduard Meyer, a historian. Too bad they were both unaware that the “Egyptians” were western Europeans.

It is true that the megalithic graves of Britain, Ireland, France, Portugal, the Netherlands, Denmark, northern Germany, and Poland are much earlier than the Egyptian pyramids…by a long shot…

But it is not true that the Mesoamerican pyramids are securely based in a local development. This knowledge came from the Mesopotamia area.

Hawaiians believe that the Earth revolves around a boat. Hum…so did the Egyptians…

(IMG:http://www.samlow.com/sail-nav/images/KaneImage.jpg) Wahoo or is it “Ono”?

[elreb]

I wonder how concrete the evidence for the "independence" of megalithic development really is? What "valid" dating methods were used to determine the varying time periods and negating the possibilty of shared engineering information spanning geographical regions and temporal periods?

What would you accept?

Then I will explain how the method works.

[KrNel]

I was going to make a statement that I agree with both you guys, but I saw it as rather pointless to just say I agree. Anyways, it is rather incredulous to believe that a people go from simple building to complex architecture with much more advanced technology and knowledge than they previously had -- just out of the blue, by themselves, independently. It is much more logical to look for outside introductions that would explain the sudden influx of knowledge.

For this reason, if one can come to this conception, you must recognize the falibility of the establishment education and their ability to be intellectually honest. And so, one distrusts their conclusions about history until you can validate and accept it yourself as a "truth".

Catastrophic Evolution

I presume this is similar to Catastrophism? I would be interested in an elaboration of this concept.

What would you accept?

Well considering all the radiometric dating methods did not exist when these cultures were placed in specific temporal periods, I do not know which methods were originally used to create the timeline, nor do I know of current methods that have been applied to these cultures to validate the already accepted conclusions. Please shed some light a to how it was done.

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Anyone else find Halloween a useless and degenerative "celeberation"? Let's emulate horror and murderous things and call it "fantasy" and "fun"! Sorry, I just dislike these social contraptions that do nothing but keep people distracted with bullshit.

Have a good weekend everyone! Peace.

[Sanders]

Hey, I know it's a little off topic but I finally think I got a better handle on the Avar business. I posted an article on it here (with pretty pictures) ...

http://urokomovie.com/wordpress/?page_id=183

Regarding the present topic, it's clear dragon-worship is much older than the cities and step pyramids of Sumer and other places. elreb, how far back was that Dracontium in Brittany dated? Almost 7 thousand years?

Michael Tsarion is a big proponent of the idea that western/dragon "culture" started in Ireland. I wouldn't know. But it was in Sumer, and soon after in other locals in Egypt and Mesopotamia, that people started living in large towns under structured societies complete with elaborate myths, priest-kings "descended from the gods" and pyramids to remind everyone. It became more of a "thing", it was successful, it became exportable. I'm still very curious though about what was going on in other parts of the world simultaneously, something I feel I don't know much about. And the mysterious "flood" - I'd like to know what really happened there, why so many cultures include a flood in their mythologies.

[lunk]

Hmmm, cataclysms.
Yes, our whole world could be set back to pre-stone-age, in an instant.
Another EMP from the sun, like what happened in 1859, would
bring civilization to a stand still, today.
No banks, no cars, no computers would work.
Most people no longer have the natural survival skills that were common 150 years ago.
It has taken at least 9000 years to bring up this culture to this level of technology.
If a cataclysm were to hit today, it would probably take at least that long to build up a world wide infrastructure again.
Then like clockwork, another cataclysm, and the surface is wiped clear like a slate, and any survivors, start again.
Social networking begins again, around the fire pit.
Of course anyone who can see this coming,
has a much better chance of surviving. a rare. but regular,
reoccurring cataclysm.

[elreb]

Well considering all the radiometric dating methods did not exist when these cultures were placed in specific temporal periods, I do not know which methods were originally used to create the timeline, nor do I know of current methods that have been applied to these cultures to validate the already accepted conclusions. Please shed some light a to how it was done.

In a nut shell, during the early 1900’s Flinders Petrie was digging around in Egypt & Palestine while Arthur Evans was digging around in Crete. Both noticed that Pots and Vases at certain levels looked the same.

In 1904 German historian, Eduard Meyer invented Egyptian chronology out of thin air. Xenu the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who 75 million years ago, brought billions of his people to Earth in a DC-8, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Yet one day the essences of these many people came to Meyer and told him that king Tut was born in 1322 BC.

Petrie and Evens took these dates and applied them to their Pot and history was born.

These same dates remain to 2010 unquestioned by mainstream education.

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