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Right Bank And Citgo, Plotting the Pentagon aircraft

onesliceshort
post Apr 10 2014, 02:30 PM
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There are multiple reports of a "right bank". If not two. There had to have been a sharp right bank from before the Sheraton Hotel according to multiple witnesses who saw the aircraft much further south than the alleged FDR data would have us believe.

http://youtu.be/b22FtxlnzEA

Further excellent breakdowns can be found here:

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=327
http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=558

The starting point for the real lat/long of the aircraft was within this area:

http://s18.postimg.org/xqn7r5lfd/image.jpg
http://s18.postimg.org/eo3u48aex/image.jpg

There was a sharp [b]left bank witnessed somewhere between the Sheraton Hotel and the airspace just beyond the Navy Annex (coupled with a reported deceleration then acceleration). There are then multiple reports of a right bank and/or a "wobble" accompanying the acceleration — these will be shown as the eyewitness testimony is dissected.[/b]

The aircraft flew over the Navy Annex and north of Citgo. No eyewitness contradicts this.

There may be (understandable) discrepancies...

http://s18.postimg.org/5rt20ajsp/image.jpg

....but a recurring and undeniable pattern as the aircraft passed closest to the NOC witnesses interviewed by CIT

http://s18.postimg.org/hpq10fy61/image.jpg


Absolutely nobody describes this:

http://s29.postimg.org/xg6lfg3af/image.jpg


A closer look at the witnessed aircraft manouvre between the Navy Annex and Citgo


George Aman (right bank)

QUOTE
And I said good God Almighty. So I'm just petrified. I'm looking. The plane flies right over the parking lot here...

When I seen he was kind of turning and gliding when he came across here...across the parking lot..."


http://s18.postimg.org/ohl1h1cjd/image.jpg

http://s28.postimg.org/71xsns4z1/image.jpg


Donald Carter (straightening up from a left bank)

The path he drew:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt.../carterpath.jpg

QUOTE
The plane actually veered off, sort of like he swerved off, and then he caught... you know, got... got on track.....seemed like he did a swerve and then he straightened it back up, and then the engines sort of revved up


http://s29.postimg.org/vry99banb/image.jpg


William Middleton (wobbling/straightening up)

QUOTE
A: That's--- It came right over the parking lot.


QUOTE
Q: But, okay now, you said wobbling.

A: Wobbling. Right. Like, you know--- I quess by his descendin', he was... straightenin'.



Darius Prather (right bank/"pivoting up"/straightening)




QUOTE
This was the direction it came straight through that little road along there. And then it started pivoting up, straight across here, cause it was traffic going there.


http://s29.postimg.org/tebq4k6uf/image.jpg


Don Scott (sharp turn and levelling off)

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near the Macy's store in Crystal City when I noticed a plane making a sharp turn from north of the Pentagon. I had to look back at the road and then back to the plane as it sort of leveled off


Macys

http://s4.postimg.org/b0fb30ci5/cademartatu_s_image.jpg



Darrell Stafford (straight for ANC buildings then right bank before Citgo)

http://s13.postimg.org/wxpb6jron/Stafford_...o_The_Right.jpg


QUOTE
It appeared that it was coming right for us, actually...it looked like it came straight in this direction


QUOTE
I'm guessing maybe when he got to that pole where that traffic light is, those vehicles at that traffic light, somewhere in there, you could see him kinda bank a little bit. Kinda, I guess, lean to the right.


Composite:

http://s29.postimg.org/sfzyg0iw7/image.jpg


Contd...



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post Apr 10 2014, 02:33 PM
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Contd...

Mike Walter (pivot/right bank/straighten up)



Walter standing north of Citgo pointing out where he saw the aircraft:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kZQXQ2wP9s


Steve McCoy (right bank — more likely before the Sheraton Hotel area)

QUOTE
a commercial airliner in steep descent, banking sharply to its right before disappearing beyond the horizon



Gary Bauer (sharp right bank)

QUOTE
I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395....it veered to the right into the Pentagon.



David Marra (left followed by right bank)

QUOTE
..had just turned off an I-395 exit to the highway just west of the Pentagon

he saw an American Airlines jet swooping in, its wings wobbly....."It sounded like the pilot had the throttle completely floored. The plane rolled left and then rolled right.




Robert Leonard (sharp right bank then "levelling off")

QUOTE
driving northbound in the HOV lanes on I-395;


..banked skillfully to the right, leveled off perpendicular to the Pentagon's southwest side, then went full throttle directly toward the building...



QUOTE
LEONARD: There used to be like, some kind of a gas station there, it went to that point.

HILL: Yeah yeah yeah that Citgo gas station so it would have flew over that or?

LEONARD: It was over that when it um, banked sharply to the right.



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LEONARD: When the plane banked to the right say over to the Citgo station and then headed toward the Pentagon, the um memorial, which I haven't visited, um would have been below the plane's route.



QUOTE
LEONARD: It banked, you see it banked and because I was seeing it in slow motion it appeared as if it stopped over the Citgo gas station as it was making like almost a right angle turn, and um that's when it revved its engines up to full speed and like started its charge towards the Pentagon.



Composite of alleged POVs and testimonies of Bauer, Marra and Leonard:

http://s29.postimg.org/evid8dhuv/image.jpg


Steve Storti (sharp right bank)

(Allegedly) Steve Storti corroborates Leonard and Bauer (I was reluctant to include given his track record and proven exaggeration of his "panoramic view", but thought it noteworthy given the corroboration).

QUOTE
He watched the plane cross over Route 395, tip its left wing as it passed the Navy annex, veer sharply and then slice into the Pentagon.



Chadwick Brooks

He doesn't describe a noticeable bank from his POV but I included him because he corroborates Morin and Leonard who used the Air Force Memorial as a guide to describe the trajectory that they saw. And to show the possible area where the "sharp" right bank described beyond the Navy Annex may have comparatively levelled. As the aircraft passed the trees between the Navy Annex and Citgo.


Brooks Composite:

http://s29.postimg.org/mdwx39jtz/image.jpg

Memorial directly behind his POV on 9/11 (and where he was interviewed by CIT):

http://s30.postimg.org/hiyhsqhtt/image.jpg


POV (pointing north towards where he saw the aircraft)

http://s24.postimg.org/ghq80lvxv/Brookspointingnorth.gif


Three witnesses who may corroborate the trajectory described by Morin, Leonard and Brooks — further investigation needed

Omar Campo

QUOTE
so low it moved the trees..



Michael and Isabelle James

QUOTE
The plane came over the top of us and brushed the trees


Royster, Joseph

QUOTE
went over the top of my car, just over the treetops




Bruce Elliott (presumable right bank)

QUOTE
It was banking and garnering speed.



Sean Boger (right bank/roll/wobble)

http://s27.postimg.org/r9e35dk9f/image.jpg


QUOTE
As he was coming towards me it just seemed like he was tilting the aircraft to his right


QUOTE
In fact he was trying to get control of the aircraft


Composite:

http://s10.postimg.org/723vajtt5/image.jpg

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post Apr 10 2014, 02:39 PM
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Contd...

Proximity to the Citgo Gas Station

Penny Elgas

QUOTE
coming straight at us from over the road (Columbia Pike) that runs perpendicular to the road I was on. The plane just appeared there - very low in the air, to the side of (and not much above) the CITGO gas station that I never knew was there.



QUOTE
Well, it was very low, I thought it was gonna hit the gas station..the wing just skimmed the roof of the gas station ..across the street, I thought it was actually gonna hit it..

Penny Elgas


QUOTE
I thought it was going to hit here, the wing here...it seemed to be just over the canopy here

Craig: And as far as how it came over this corner, was it more like the wing or the body?..

Turcios:....it was more like the right wing

[...]

Turcios. Well, uh...I would say..it seemed to be just over the canopy here (points to roof)..just over the corner of this canopy..

Craig: So, just over the corner of this canopy?

Turcios: yeah..as I said before, it seemed to me it was gonna crash..uh..into this tree here..but I saw it take off..lift a little bit. Headed towards the Pentagon.

Robert Turcios

http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/2364/ro...turciospath.png
http://s29.postimg.org/6xjcszf6v/image.jpg


Composite:

http://s29.postimg.org/o4p4w8g4n/image.jpg

Corroboration from an unidentified witness who also claims that the aircraft "almost hit the gas station"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-edQnJL9Koc


Sidenote: if they thought that the wing was going to hit the Citgo roof, maybe they are indicating a right bank given the upwards sweep of the wings?


Albert Hemphill (coming out of abrupt left bank and "over the top" of Citgo)

QUOTE
right over the top [of the Navy Annex]

...over my right shoulder


Hemphill POV:

http://s1.postimg.org/lnezx5uof/image.jpg

QUOTE
it looked like it went right over the top [of the gas station]

....more towards the cemetery side..


In another interview (despite being lead, lied to and the actual alleged official path being e-mailed to him!)

QUOTE
There’s just no way! It came, it looked like it went over the gas station!


Line of view:

http://s11.postimg.org/mwcxpe7eb/image.jpg


Lincoln Liebner (draws path to perpendicular of Pentagon)

Compare what he described to the path alleged witness Lincoln Liebner described (points to his alleged POV first, then where he saw the aircraft descend):




Can you see the pattern? More to follow.
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post Apr 10 2014, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Apr 11 2014, 06:39 AM) *
Can you see the pattern? More to follow.



Um... have I missed anything relevant if I
fail to see whatever pattern?

The naval photog's pin-sharp photos of the entire
Pentagon facade, taken half an hour after the Hollywood
fireball erupted, clearly show the entire facade remained totally intact
and thus definitively demonstrate that neither UA175, nor any other plane,
hit the building.

Does this excessively-voluminous evidence, about
whatever bank, left, right, or atm, the airforce plane scored,
tell us anything vitally important about which exact
route the decoy airplane was flying one nanosecond before
it overshot the roof of the Pentagon?

Just curious.... rolleyes.gif

MikeR

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post Apr 10 2014, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE (MikeR @ Apr 10 2014, 04:45 PM) *
Um... have I missed anything relevant if I
fail to see whatever pattern?

Does this excessively-voluminous evidence, about
whatever bank, left, right, or atm, the airforce plane scored,
tell us anything vitally important about which exact
route the decoy airplane was flying one nanosecond before
it overshot the roof of the Pentagon?

Just curious.... rolleyes.gif

MikeR



Um... yes you have missed something relevant MikeR.

The evidence presented by OSS shows that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon.
That's pretty important.

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post Apr 10 2014, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (MikeR @ Apr 10 2014, 10:45 PM) *
Um... have I missed anything relevant if I
fail to see whatever pattern?

The naval photog's pin-sharp photos of the entire
Pentagon facade, taken half an hour after the Hollywood
fireball erupted, clearly show the entire facade remained totally intact
and thus definitively demonstrate that neither UA175, nor any other plane,
hit the building.

Does this excessively-voluminous evidence, about
whatever bank, left, right, or atm, the airforce plane scored,
tell us anything vitally important about which exact
route the decoy airplane was flying one nanosecond before
it overshot the roof of the Pentagon?

Just curious.... rolleyes.gif

MikeR


It's "excessively-voluminous" yet you can't get the little detail that it was allegedly "Flight 77" and not "175" that supposedly struck the building? I know, I know, typo. You were in such a rush to piss on the thread, you tripped over your own smartass mouth.

Got it. Job done.

I'm trying to plot the course of the aircraft up to the Pentagon lawn. And I think I have. I think I may even know why and how it took the course that it did but first I have to (painstakingly) cross reference perspectives, POVs, topography and all of the at first glance irrelevant little details and descriptions of witnesses.

If you've nothing positive or critical to add here regarding the content of the thread MikeR please piss off and annoy somebody else. If you want to start more to and fro childish insults start another thread.
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post Apr 11 2014, 07:02 AM
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Contd...

"STRAIGHT FOR US"

Donald Carter (ANC buildings, upper end)

QUOTE
We thought he was gonna come over this end.



George Aman (ANC buildings, second floor office)

Centre for Military History interview:

QUOTE
I thought it was going to hit this building here....So I was just looking out here and I see this airplane coming down here and I thought it was coming, going to hit this building.


CIT interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs845qG6hv0

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AMAN: ...I heard this loud (inaud) noise, man, I'm looking up in the air, and I see this plane just coming right at us. And I thought holy mackerel, they're going to smash right into the -- into our building!...Like I say, I thought it was going to smash into our building right there.



Darius Prather (ANC buildings, middle end)

QUOTE
as it was angling, it was looking like it was coming over here for the buildings where we are over here.....It looked like it was headed towards this way. Towards Arlington Cemetery.



Darrell Stafford (ANC buildings upper end)

QUOTE
It appeared that it was coming right for us, actually...it looked like it came straight in this direction



QUOTE
A: The front of it appeared to be bronze? And you could see the blades on it. It appeared to be a new plane. And the blades were turning, and they were silver. But the plane, it looked like it...

Q: The blades, you mean inside the engine?

A: Yeah. You could see them and they looked like they were silver.
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[The recent threads I've posted may seem to be a case of information overload but I have to post them this way for reference to a future thread that will summarize and narrow down the options.]

Morin and Prather

Terry Morin was at the Navy Annex. His POV was just below the tall aeriel (which wasn't there in 2001) seen in the following images — the Air Force Memorial can be seen at the end of the building - please also note the fence that separates the Navy Annex from Columbia Pike:

http://s29.postimg.org/svftmru7b/image.jpg

http://s29.postimg.org/67vz2vp9j/image.jpg


QUOTE
Morin: Now there's the US Air Force Memorial. If the Air force Memorial had been built, the airplane would have ran into it.



QUOTE
Craig: You're 100% certain that it was the top of the Navy Annex?

Morin: He is on the edge of the Navy Annex, not completely over. Okay?

Craig: But, the plane itself would be on the North Side of Columbia Pike at that point?

Morin: Yeah, yeah, I mean this is Columbia Pike, okay? There's a fence right here. I'm inside the fence, okay? He went right over the top of me.



Please note the relationship between the aeriel, the memorial and the ANC buildings:

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/623/navyannexcrop.jpg

The path Morin described vs the directional damage path:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6966/navy...morin2paths.jpg


Standing out front of the ANC buildings (seen in the last image) was Darius Prather - remember that 3 fellow workers dotted along those buildings corroborates his description of the aircraft as heading directly in their direction


Darius Prather

QUOTE
as it was angling, it was looking like it was coming over here for the buildings where we are over here.


QUOTE
When the plane was coming across the, uh, the Navy Annex, it was actually like in between where the monument... the US Air Force Memorial? It's like in between that and where you see like the little tower thing that's stickin' up from the other side there. It was only about three feet above that."


The "tower thing" from Prather's POV:

http://s30.postimg.org/bcx1lznwh/image.jpg

http://s28.postimg.org/ior6xekxp/image.jpg

QUOTE
It looked like it was headed towards this way. Towards Arlington Cemetery.


http://s29.postimg.org/tebq4k6uf/image.jpg

[There are problems with Madelyn Zakhem's overall testimony but I've included her all the same - the reasons for which will become apparent later]

The relation between Zakhem (who claimed to see the right wing above her POV outside the VDOT building, and a left bank), Morin, the VDOT antenna (to the right) and the Air Force Memorial:

http://s12.postimg.org/fx1lar40t/image.jpg

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post Apr 11 2014, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Apr 11 2014, 01:07 PM) *
If you've nothing positive or critical to add here regarding the content of the thread MikeR please piss off and annoy somebody else. If you want to start more to and fro childish insults start another thread.


Humble apologies 'onesliceshort' and 'np1mike' and
anybody else who can't wait for me vacate space
for an expert to piss in or on

As long as Pilots 4 9/11 Truth all agree after 12 years
that no Boeing Lookalike Airplane hit the Pentagon,
I have nothing to add...and I'll be the first to admit
it's my problem if I remain forever curious about
whatever was or was not the reason the AA77 typo
plane flew on what exact route before steering into
the Hollywood fireball.... my problem entirely.

Over and out






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QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Apr 11 2014, 11:23 AM) *
Um... yes you have missed something relevant MikeR.

The evidence presented by OSS shows that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon.
That's pretty important.


Quite agree ... hence my "overshot", not "hit"...
the vital difference still seems less than obvious
to some folks.

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It's a thumbs up from me, Sliceman thumbsup.gif

I haven't digested all of the sources you've listed (yet).

But I will say this...

It seems that you can:

(i) initiate a completely legitimate topic for discussion with a self-explanatory title
(ii) diligently and exhaustively research the issue
(iii) post dozens of relevant links, pictures and videos to support your core argument
(iv) lay it all out in a sequential, logical manner
(v) use bold text (judiciously) for emphasis to assist the reader
(vi) avoid speculation, confirmation bias and hyperbole throughout

It's still not enough to prevent the trolls from crashing in with their cheshire grins, taking a dump, then feeling sorry for themselves because nobody else understands the nuances of their idiotic remarks rolleyes.gif

It's the price we pay for the wide berth of freedom of speech afforded to members of this forum.
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QUOTE (mrmitosis @ Apr 12 2014, 03:09 AM) *
It's a thumbs up from me, Sliceman thumbsup.gif

I haven't digested all of the sources you've listed (yet).

But I will say this...

It seems that you can:

(i) initiate a completely legitimate topic for discussion with a self-explanatory title
(ii) diligently and exhaustively research the issue
(iii) post dozens of relevant links, pictures and videos to support your core argument
(iv) lay it all out in a sequential, logical manner
(v) use bold text (judiciously) for emphasis to assist the reader
(vi) avoid speculation, confirmation bias and hyperbole throughout

It's still not enough to prevent the trolls from crashing in with their cheshire grins, taking a dump, then feeling sorry for themselves because nobody else understands the nuances of their idiotic remarks rolleyes.gif

It's the price we pay for the wide berth of freedom of speech afforded to members of this forum.


Hey mrmitosis,
I keep being "forced" to call onesliceshort: "tenacious 'o' ".
Your summation of what he does is excellent.

Every time I run into an oss thread of this type, my first reaction is: damn, the dude is over-doing it; swamping us in minutiae.
Then, I realize, immediately, that there is NO ALTERNATIVE ... no alternative IF we are ever going to be able to both:
1) outmaneuver any and all enemies of the truth; and, more importantly,
2) as carefully as possible, step by step, sift out the important truths within the myriad of data and of lies/distortions.

As ever, oss, you blow me/us away with your no-holds-barred tenacity, your dedication, your contributions !
All hail, oss !
Pablo
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post Apr 13 2014, 08:41 PM
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Thanks lads (all three).

Would you believe that most of the stuff that I post, particularly the long, drawn out posts are edited and re-edited?

I know I rip the arse out of it with details but I'm usually thinking ahead to what obfuscation or strawman GLs would say. At the same time I'm trying to avoid using questionable sources. And as Pablo said, you have to leave no stone unturned. Sift the chaff from the wheat. Maybe some guy (or girl) will come along and connect some dots that the gnarly old diehards like ourselves haven't seen. Or new evidence will click the whole package. Or make us have another look at the chaff.

Anyway, I think you guys will see where all of this is going shortly.
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