Suspect In 2001 Anthrax Attacks Kills Himself. Options

[albertchampion]

BRUCE IVINS WASN'T THE ANTHRAX CULPRIT. richard spertzel, head of the biological-weapons section of Unscom from 1994-1999. WSJ, tuesday, 5 August 2008. page A17.

this is a very important slap-down of the Feebs.

essentially, spertzel says that usg labs were not capable of producing this style of anthrax.

other labs working with anthrax? israel's iaf. financed and guided by the usdod.

do you think that israel has been planning an aerosolized anthrax attack on iran?

anyway, i consider this op-ed very important.

[amazed!]

Despite the widespread skepticism, surprisingly even from the MSM, in the end the case will be closed.

Another Mission Accomplished.

And in the end, the many morons in the american society will take the bait, hook, line and sinker.

[albertchampion]

yes, moronism is a religion in the usa.

if anyone doubts that, read the op-ed piece just above spretzel's. entitled, MY BET WITH FRANCIS FUKUYAMA.

written by a bret stephens. surely one of the highest priests of moronism.

[maturin42]

Has anyone even attempted to connect Ivins to a motive for going after Daschle or Leahy? Or even Brokaw, for Chrissakes? Why would a scientist with no particular demonstrated affinity for politics go after the opposition to the freakin' PATRIOT ACT?

Can we think of anyone with slightly more apparent motive? Hmmmm.

Or was he going postal on the post office?

[painter]

Has anyone even attempted to connect Ivins to a motive for going after Daschle or Leahy? Or even Brokaw, for Chrissakes? Why would a scientist with no particular demonstrated affinity for politics go after the opposition to the freakin' PATRIOT ACT?

Can we think of anyone with slightly more apparent motive? Hmmmm.

Or was he going postal on the post office?

No motive has been offered beyond the 'lone nut' implication. They like 'lone nuts'. A nut acting alone isn't a conspiracy by definition. Better for tying off loose ends so it drops neatly down the memory hole of the chattering crowd.

But then nuts don't always have to be alone. I mean, after all, what was the alleged motive for 9/11? "They hate us for our freedoms," is about all I ever heard. In other words, they are nuts!

[SPreston]

If Ivins did not have access to equipment capable of making the anthrax, then how could he make it all by himself?

By RICHARD SPERTZEL
August 5, 2008
Let's start with the anthrax in the letters to Sens. Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy. The spores could not have been produced at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, where Ivins worked, without many other people being aware of it. Furthermore, the equipment to make such a product does not exist at the institute.

Information released by the FBI over the past seven years indicates a product of exceptional quality. The product contained essentially pure spores. The particle size was 1.5 to 3 microns in diameter. There are several methods used to produce anthrax that small. But most of them require milling the spores to a size small enough that it can be inhaled into the lower reaches of the lungs. In this case, however, the anthrax spores were not milled.

What's more, they were also tailored to make them potentially more dangerous. According to a FBI news release from November 2001, the particles were coated by a "product not seen previously to be used in this fashion before." Apparently, the spores were coated with a polyglass which tightly bound hydrophilic silica to each particle. That's what was briefed (according to one of my former weapons inspectors at the United Nations Special Commission) by the FBI to the German Foreign Ministry at the time.

Another FBI leak indicated that each particle was given a weak electric charge, thereby causing the particles to repel each other at the molecular level. This made it easier for the spores to float in the air, and increased their retention in the lungs.

In short, the potential lethality of anthrax in this case far exceeds that of any powdered product found in the now extinct U.S. Biological Warfare Program. In meetings held on the cleanup of the anthrax spores in Washington, the product was described by an official at the Department of Homeland Security as "according to the Russian recipes" -- apparently referring to the use of the weak electric charge.

From what we know so far, Bruce Ivins, although potentially a brilliant scientist, was not that man. The multiple disciplines and technologies required to make the anthrax in this case do not exist at Army's Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases. Inhalation studies are conducted at the institute, but they are done using liquid preparations, not powdered products.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print...3570011775.html

[painter]

Judge unseals documents in 7-year anthrax probe

By LARA JAKES JORDAN and MATT APUZZO
From Associated Press
August 06, 2008 7:36 AM EST
WASHINGTON - The chief judge of Washington's federal courthouse on Wednesday unsealed hundreds of pages of documents in the FBI's nearly 7-year investigation of anthrax mailings that killed five people. The move by U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth came after consultation with Amy Jeffress, a national security prosecutor at Justice, and as FBI Director Robert Mueller prepared to brief the families of anthrax victims on details of the case.

The documents that Lamberth authorized to be released include more than a dozen search warrants aimed at Army microbiologist Bruce Ivins, whom federal investigators were closing in on as he committed suicide last week. Among other things, the papers are expected to reveal how the FBI narrowed the scope of its investigation to the Fort Detrick, Md., scientist.

The evidence that Lamberth authorized to be made public should answer many questions in the bizarre investigation. Still, skeptics may never be satisfied if the documents fail to show conclusively that Ivins was solely responsible for mailing the anthrax letters that killed five and sickened 17. The judge indicated that it would take until at least midday or early afternoon Wednesday to clear the clerical hurdles to a full public release of the documents, which were to be posted on both the Justice Department's and federal courthouse's Web sites.

. . .

More at source: http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?gui...080806798903231

[painter]

Source: emptywheel.firedoglake blog

DOJ Wants to Have Its Culprit and Withhold Some Materials, Too
By: emptywheel Wednesday August 6, 2008 7:14 am
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News reports say something is going to happen today with the anthrax case. But it's not sure what. NPR reports that DOJ is going to declared its case solved--even while it doesn't close the case.

Officials close to the anthrax investigation have told NPR that the FBI will declare the case of the 2001 anthrax letters solved Wednesday, but that the case will remain open so agents can follow up on some recent leads.

FBI Director Robert Mueller is expected to brief victims of the attacks, which killed five people and sickened 15, Wednesday morning. The bureau is expected to have a press conference Wednesday as well, though officials have yet to formally announce it.

Forgive me for my skepticism. But when even the traditional media is catching up to Glenn in discovering the circumstantial nature of the case against Ivins, I find this "solved but not really" status really dubious. Here's the AP on the three gaping holes that at least appear to remain in the government's case:

The key to the investigation was an advanced DNA analysis that matched the anthrax that killed five people to a specific batch controlled by Ivins. It is unclear, however, how the FBI eliminated as suspects others in the lab who had access to the anthrax.

And then there's the question of motive. Authorities believe the attacks may have been a twisted effort to test a cure for the toxin. Ivins complained of the limitations of animal testing and shared in a patent for an anthrax vaccine. But for now, it's not clear what, if any, evidence bolsters that theory.

Investigators also can't place Ivins in Princeton, N.J., when the letters were mailed from a mailbox there. And the only explanation for why the married father of two might have made the seven-hour round trip is bizarre.

No motive, no way to place Ivins at the scene of the crime, and no apparent way to eliminate the other people (Fox cited four suspects in March based on an email the FBI also has) who could have committed the crime. So, at least from what we've seen, just circumstantial evidence and a breakdown after badgering from the FBI. I guess the way we solve crimes in this country is to confront people in shopping malls to see if the person in question commits suicide as a result.

Now, NPR says DOJ may do a document dump, as soon as today.

The Justice Department is expected to ask a federal judge to unseal most of the case documents so they can explain why they think Ivins is their man.

But of course, since they aren't closing the investigation, the documents will be selective, meaning we still don't get to assess the larger case.

I understand DOJ's desire to bring closure to this issue, and it may be that Ivins really was the terrorist and really did act alone. But this prosecution by press conference still feels really fishy.

"Fishy?" (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[richard cranium]

Let's see, Ivin died on July 29. So,according to my calculations that was 8 days ago. We were told he was about to be arrested and that there are multiple search warrants that were about to be delivered. I guess what I don't understand is all of this hype about what the "governments evidence" is going to be. If they have search warrants shouln't they already have evidence enough to convince us? I mean,show us the damn evidence for Chrissake's! It's been 8 days already. Maybe some of the evidence has not been fabricated yet (?). Of course, the longer it takes makes one wonder how genuine it is.

Just thinking out loud.

rc

[jo56]

I would like to know why the Social Worker, Jean Duley, who was the only witness against Ivins (and a poor one if you listened to her testimony with UHM this and UHM that every other word) is now in hiding? Is she afraid she will be killed next? She surely couldn't be afraid of Ivins anymore.


Listen to her testimony:
http://www.truveo.com/Scared-to-death-of-Ivins/id/3590134315

This post has been edited by jo56: Aug 6 2008, 03:53 PM

[painter]

Released DoJ Anthrax Documents now online: http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/

The primary focus seems to be in the search warrant: http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/07-528-M-0...20affidavit.pdf (pdf)

[heliweli]

I would like to know why the Social Worker, Jean Duley, who was the only witness against Ivins (and a poor one if you listened to her testimony with UHM this and UHM that every other word) is now in hiding? Is she afraid she will be killed next? She surely couldn't be afraid of Ivins anymore.


Listen to her testimony:
http://www.truveo.com/Scared-to-death-of-Ivins/id/3590134315

It does make you wonder exactly who she is afraid of.

[albertchampion]

if you pull on the chain, you end up at biowarfare labs in israel.

as long as you have a zionist running the doj, a zionist running the homeland gestapo, and a president, vpresident, and many important moc being blackmailed, that chain will not be pulled.

so, ivins was selected to be the successor to hatfill. mukasey, the zionist ag, will do everything to prevent any reveletions of the israeli biowarfare programs.

the anthrax used, as spertzel wrote, was not the product of usamrid, or any other usg lab.

one of these days, the usa is going to have to recognize that israel is an enemy of the usa. and that we must arrest our financing of that enemy.

[waterdancer]

It's good to learn that Ivins had "sole custody" of the parent strain of the anthrax.. at least according to the affidavit. That really helps me to see why it took them so long to "get their man".

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Ivins

has been the sole custodian of RMR-1029 since it was first grown in 1997

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_...x_investigation

[SPreston]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/06/anthrax.case/index.html

"We are confident that Dr. Ivins was the only person responsible for these attacks," Jeffrey Taylor, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, told reporters Wednesday afternoon.Quote:
Richard Spertzel, a former biodefense scientist who worked with Ivins at the lab at Fort Detrick, said a more advanced machine than a lyophilizer would have been necessary.

"There is no way" that a lyophilizer could have created the fine spores contaminating the 2001 letters, he said. In addition, he said, no one working at a U.S. government lab could have produced such high-quality anthrax in secret.

The Federal Prosecutor and the FBI are liars. The Bush Regime doesn't want the public to know how Ivins really died. Ivins needed to be dead so the search would stop with him.
Ivins had to become a patsy because the Bush Regime did not want the search for the Anthrax Killers to go any further; specifically Jerome Hauer and the Israeli Mossad.

June 2001
A two-day bioterrorism exercise, code-named "Dark Winter", was held at Andrews Air Force Base, Washington D.C., June 22-23, 2001. Developed and produced by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, Johns Hopkins Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies, and ANSER Institute for Homeland Security. Sponsorship was provided by the McCormick Tribune Foundation and the Oklahoma City National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism (MIPT).

"Dark Winter" is a role-playing exercise based on a fictional bioterrorist attack on the U.S. Former senior government officials play the roles of National Security Council (NSC) members, with former Senator Sam Nunn as the U.S. President, former Central Intelligence Agency director R. James Woolsey as the head of CIA, Jerry Hauer as FEMA director, and Dr. Margaret Hamburg as Secretary of Health & Human Services. Medical experts included Dr. Tara O'Toole of Johns Hopkins Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies.

"Dark Winter showed just how unprepared we are to deal with bioterrorism," said Jerome M. Hauer, the former head of emergency management in New York City and now a bioterrorism consultant to Tommy G. Thompson, the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services. "It pointed out that there were significant challenges to all levels of government."
http://wearcam.org/decon/dark_winter_scen_smallpox.htm

This post has been edited by SPreston: Aug 6 2008, 10:35 PM

[paranoia]

http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/07-528-M-0...20affidavit.pdf

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i dont know what internet search they did, cuz this is all that turns up:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=g...111@hotmail.com


but this guy:
http://www.truecrimereport.com/

* A separate affidavit from FBI agent Marlo Arredondo sought information about Bruce Ivins's e-mail accounts. Ivins used the following:
-- KingBadger7@aol.com
-- goldenphoenix111@hotmail.com
-- bruce.ivins@amedd.army.mil
-- and of course, jimmyflathead@yahoo.com.
According to Arredondo, Ivins used these addresses to "facilitate an obsession with a sorority group linked to the location of the anthrax mailings." Ivins also used screen names such as "Ed Ivings," "BigSky" and "prunetacos."

* Ivins, using some of the names above, posted messages at AboveTopSecret.com, an online forum devoted to discussions of conspiracy theories, the paranormal, and supernatural subjects. Ivins posted messages and began threads about the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority. Here is a thread at AboveTopSecret.com discussing the "removal of College Fraternity Secrets Threads." Note that "prunetacos" posted in that thread about other boards where he'd discussed the Kappa Kappa Gammas. See also: a list of 50 posts left by "Prunetacos" at GreekChat.com. Many of the Greek Chat posts discuss Kappa Kappa Gamma as well.

truecrimereport points to this thread and the user "prunetacos":
http://www.atsadgrab.com/forum/thread65385/pg8

prunetacos apparently has only these posts at ATS:
http://www.atsadgrab.com/forum/search...=prunetacos#228


more prunetacos:
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/member.p...ter&t=79951

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but at ATS, the fbi/doj alleged post can NOT be found:

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another alleged IVINS' online identity, kingbadger7@aol.com, shows no pre-existing posts by that name:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=k...amp;btnG=Search

but the local paper (local to ivins) identifies some posts by someone using the kingbadger email address:
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/...m?StoryID=78498

At least one commenter, kingbadger7@aol.com, posted comments on the News-Post's website.

The person commented on a story published in May 2006 about a man who was detained at his Tuscarora house after he went to look for a trash can lid, which had blown off the back of his pickup truck.

The man, Dave Twigg, held a flashlight out of his truck late April 30 to search for the lid. An officer with the Department of Natural Resources then tried to stop Twigg, but Twigg continued driving until he reached a lighted area -- his driveway.

The officer threatened to charge Twigg for fleeing and eluding a police officer and illegally hunting deer by blinding them with bright lights, according to the article. kingbadger7@aol.com wrote:

- "I've known Dave Twigg for a long time, and he's a great, honest, law-abiding guy. The DNR agent was more than a bit over-reactive and (testosteronal) in what he did to Dave ... Dave should sue the DNR and the officer involved for what happened."

- "Great ... that's all that night predators need to know: That they can stop anybody, anywhere, for practically any reason and say that they're 'DNR.' Dave Twigg wasn't running from anybody, so the 'attempting to flee' charge is completely bogus — What's next? Arresting kids who have flashlights and are looking in their yard for nightcrawlers?"

- " ... you can go online and purchase 'police car' lights for your vehicle. Scary, huh? Knowing that, how many of us would tell our loved ones to stop at night on deserted roads when unmarked, supposed police cars flashed their lights? As to comment in the previous post about 'salivating lawyers,' I think that the DNR officer's actions would cause many reasonable people to consult an attorney."

After reading an article written about the movie The Da Vinci Code after its release in May 2006, kingbadger7@aol.com commented:

- "Just as 'Ben Hur' and 'Touched by an Angel' were fictional, so The Da Vinci Code is fictional. It's not theology or history, it's a fictional suspense thriller. We were taught in gradeschool that Jesus was 'a man like us in all ways but sin.' So Jesus being fictionally given a wife would make him sinful? Please!"

- "I just finished watching the first showing of The Da Vinci Code at the Westview theaters. It was a good, fast-paced, suspenseful movie. I recommend it, but people should read the book first, so that they can follow it more easily. (It moves VERY fast.) I didn't see any protesters, thank goodness."

- "I saw it also, Erika, and I enjoyed it thoroughly. People forget that the movie and the book are FICTION. The Da Vinci Codes's supposed blasphemy is that Jesus was a Jewish man with a Jewish wife and she bore him a child. Did Jesus sweat? Did he have cavities or get sick? Did he 'go to the bathroom?' We were taught that he was (a) person like us in all ways but sin, so having sexual relations with one's spouse doesn't seem sinful."

but i had no luck in corroborating whats alleged by the feds in the subpeona against ivins. i find it ironic that the feds did what sounds like a public domain internet search (google?), instead of subpeonaing ivins' isp records, so that he could be directly tied to the allegations and not randomly accused by circumstantial evidence. afterall, anyone can post on the net, its hardly evidence-worthy unless someone can prove the true originating source of a particular post.

whats also surprising (or NOT) is that the site in question is ATS, which has long been rumored to be a "spook-run" or a cointelpro site. admittedly however, most of the "proof" of the accusations against ATS come from one source:

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2...top-secret.html

personally, i dont like that site (ATS), and in spite of being tempted in the past to join there to defend CIT's research, i have refrained from doing so, purely based on gut instinct. finding them cited as "proof" in a case like this one (anthrax/ivins) does not relieve my concerns about who the hell really runs that site, if anything it makes them more suspect - especially since the alleged ivins' posts are gone. either they were there and removed by site admins, or the gov. is straight up lying about those alleged posts.



more to come...

[paranoia]

more info:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums...67&t=498472
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums...69&t=498472

[GroundPounder]

more info:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums...67&t=498472
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums...69&t=498472


thanks!

Ivins was 'Oswalded' I believe, to cover up for Zack and Rippy absconding with the Anthrax to be processed elsewhere.

[painter]

afterall, anyone can post on the net, its hardly evidence-worthy unless someone can prove the true originating source of a particular post.

Yeah, that is it, right there. The problem with ALL of it is that we are relying on government sources for information. The pattern that we've seen is that government sources, when they aren't just making the truth more difficult to assess through obfuscation, they lie out-right. Savvy internet users know exactly what you're saying about IP addresses, paranoia, but most people aren't going to question the FBI (I prefer the FBO, the Federal Bureau of Obfuscation*), regarding that. Frankly, even if they had them, at this point I'd be skeptical.

* It appears to me over and over again that the function of the FBI (at its higher administrative levels, at least) is not to "investigate" the crimes committed by the covert and counterintelligence agencies but to contain them and, essentially, make sure they stay covert. Oh, they have the evidence, all right. They know precisely who did what -- and this gives them enormous power and influence. They have dossiers on everyone of any significance and everyone of any significance knows it.

[Devilsadvocate]

Simple question:

Who gained anything from that whole incident...?

Gerald Ford passed a directive which forbade the CIA to carry out assassinations, interfere with the political processess of other nations, or topple governments...blablabla.

And if I remember correctly, then George Bush's reaction to the attacks back then- at a time when the American parliament was effectively paralysed- was to lift precisely that directive:
Supposedly to help prevent terrorist attacks with weapons like that on US-soil.
I doubt somehow if he would have been able to do that under any other circumstances.
Correct me if I'm wrong...