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9/11 Tragedy Pager Intercepts - Wikileaks

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rob balsamo
post Nov 25 2009, 05:44 AM
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From 3AM on Wednesday November 25, 2009, until 3AM the following day (US east coast time), WikiLeaks is releasing over half a million US national text pager intercepts. The intercepts cover a 24 hour period surrounding the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York and Washington.

The messages are being broadcast to the global community "live", sychronized to the time of day they were sent. The first message is from 3AM September 11, 2001, five hours before the first attack, and the last, 24 hours later.

Text pagers are usualy carried by persons operating in an official capacity. Messages in the archive range from Pentagon and New York Police Department exchanges, to computers reporting faults to their operators as the World Trade Center collapsed.

The archive is a completely objective record of the defining moment of our time. We hope that its revelation will lead to a more nuanced understanding of the event and its tragic consequences.


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The following are national US pager intercepts that cover the September 11 tragedy from 3am on the same day (Tuesday) until 3am the following day.

Due to popular demand we provide a new block of pager data every 5 minutes, synchronized to the actual time of day the message was sent.

This way the world has a chance to objectively see how the tragedy progressed.

A full archive containing all the messages will be released on Thursday November 26 at the conclusion.


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8:36:03 AM
IRAQ SAYS IT SHOOTS DOWN U.S. RECONNAISSANCE PLANE
8:51:31 AM
Andrew.Terzakis@pentagon.af.mil|Please call Pentagon Weather|UNCLASSIFIED Please call Pentagon Weather.......reference 1030 Meeting.....703-695-0406 ANDREW J. TERZAKIS, Lt Col, USAF D
8:53:44 AM
"NYPD Ops Div" <|1 PCT WORLD TRADE
CENTER|--- 1 PCT - WORLD TRADE CENTER - POSSIBLE EXPLOSION WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING. LEVEL 3 MOBILIZATION TO CHURCH AND VESSY.
9:24:48 AM
DOLLAR TUMBLES VS EURO, YEN AFTER WTC EXPLOSION
9:24:59 AM
NYC WTC'S: WMS TKT 191100495. SWITCHES SEEM TO BE OKAY . OVERLOADS IN SM 9 OF SOUTH TOWER FROM HIGH
9:31:51 AM
N.Y.C. TKT#191100488 - WTC HAS BEEN HIT BY AN AIRPLANE AND A BOMB. CURRENTLY B6 IS BEING EVACUATED. NCC HAS RECEIVED MULTIPLE ALARMS OPTICAL / ENVIORNMENTAL. UPDATES WILL FOLLOW. RYAN P/L NCC 800-824-8049
9:32:52 AM
FANNIE MAE DELAYS BENCHMARK BILL,CALLABLE NOTE ANNOUNCEMENT DUE TO WTC BLASTS
9:50:03 AM
it's reported that a US military helicopter circled the building then crashed into or next to the Pentagon - it's not clear to whether it was the White House or the Pentagon - they are being evacuated
7:05:57 AM
Please don't leave the building. One of the towers just collapsed! PLease, please be careful. Repeat,
11:00:30 AM
BOMB SQUAD PLS REPORT TO EDIC..PER T913..OPS/JL
11:13:04 AM
Lines to Washington & Saudi are blocked or jammed. Couldn't get thru. Jim at the FBI had no info - he suggested we watch Fox or CNN. Chris.
11:20:52 AM
Eddie and Paul are okay. Paul is still trapped in his building which is next to the WTC.
11:29:13 AM
pewells|I'm OK. I saw the whole thing. Was on the roof looking at the first fire when I saw the second plane plow into the second tower. Unbelievable, literally...I was inside when they collapsed. Still in my apt, nowhere to go...This is the end of the world as we know it...
11:39:47 AM
jtamer|You are needed in the WAR room asap.
3:25:54 PM
im not dealing with this # today....i will call johnston in early......ford shut down there plants and im not answering why we are still working....# this. FROM: RYDER LITTLEJOHN (x18914) (3
5:20:30 PM
Honey wanted to tell you how much i love you. I was alittle worried.I Don't want to lose you now that I got you back. You mean everything to me. You have my whole heart and life. Ilove you so much,
6:05:05 PM
We are bombing Afganistan. Pene
6:58:58 PM
1) my nephew's ok, 2) there's a dead body at the main gate, 3) US denies responsibility for bombing in Afghanistan. Over and out.


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post Nov 25 2009, 09:42 AM
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Thanks for the info - The next few releases should be the interesting ones.

BTW: Where did you get the messages in your post? I don't see them at the link.
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http://911pages.info/top.php
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Animated visualization of 911 attack messages http://bit.ly/58HEZd
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I found this in the pager message from the latest 9/11 hacks.
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2001-09-11 21:58:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Hard to believe, after all the "dry" runs , it actually happened. Call you when the smoke clears. RAS.


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QUOTE (Ricochet @ Dec 2 2009, 01:56 AM) *
I found this in the pager message from the latest 9/11 hacks.


Nothing there! It's all just emergency planning talk:

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2001-09-11 09:05:01 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA To FBRS RMT & Crit Personnel: It's been reported that a plane has struck the upper levels of a WTC tower in NYC. Fire and smoke in the area. No other details available now. NY personnel should follow instructions of local authorities rega

2001-09-11 09:20:46 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA New-CSC/7777: Due to plane crash at the World Trade Center in New York, New York Order room

2001-09-11 09:20:48 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA and OTC have evacuated 200 Liberty. Market Open has been delayed. Updates to follow. (HJH 09:17)

2001-09-11 09:22:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA #tbd-1H-WTC NYC Outage: Would one member of all sites, please join the bridge at 1-877-358-8394, ID: 830907? P.Rolanti

2001-09-11 09:24:01 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA To FBRS rmt and Crit personnel: 200 Liberty is being evacutated. Those in the area should meet at the Winter Garden. Our plan is to meet there and 6-8 people acc

2001-09-11 09:24:03 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA ompany NFS to Comdisco and the balance to work from home. NFS contact is R

2001-09-11 09:36:03 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA #tbd-1H-WTC NYC Disaster: Due to two separate plane crashes into the WTC in NYC, 200 Liberty has been evacuated, to Winter Garden, 6-8 people from NFS are going to COMDISCO, NYSE and NYMEX are closed, NASDAQ has a 10AM

2001-09-11 09:36:05 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA ET delayed opening.

2001-09-11 09:44:01 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA NY people evacuating should go to the boat basin (towards the water from the building) because the Winter Garden is inaccessible at this time. Point of ontact is NFS' Ron Panzarella. JMargie 617 563-8

2001-09-11 09:44:03 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA 308

2001-09-11 09:48:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Upd-CSC/7777: NY Update. Due to the disaster in New York

2001-09-11 09:48:33 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA , the NYSE will be closed today. Updates to follow. (HJH 09:44)

2001-09-11 10:21:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Let's send all personnel who are not directly involved in critical online or batch jobs home.

2001-09-11 10:24:01 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA To all BCP & Notify as BCP's: 100 summer, 245 summer, WTC-Boston closing access to building only. NYSE and NASDAQ c

2001-09-11 10:24:03 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA losed for day. Updates to follow.Roger/CCP.

2001-09-11 10:25:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Upd-CSC/7777: WTC in Boston and 100 Summer St are closed as a precaution. National Master Console has been re-routed to Merrimack. Updates to follow. (KRC 10:21)

2001-09-11 10:29:01 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Emergency manager's meeting at 10:30am ET on 18773588394, ID: 830907. P.Rolanti

2001-09-11 10:30:46 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA To FB&RS Recovery Management Team. Please meet in the Cape Conference room on the 10th floor at 245 Summer St. By 10:30AM. Boston buildings are being evacuated and we need to have a coordinated message and plan that includes tomorrow. JM

2001-09-11 10:32:48 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA To all BCP's & Notify as BCP's: All non-essential phone calls should be suspended. Only essential calls only. Roger/CCP

2001-09-11 10:46:03 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Upd-CSC/7777: NY update: Nasdaq, AMEX, NYSE, Options, and US Treasury are closed for the day. Toronto and London markets remain open. Updates to follow. (KRC 10:40)

2001-09-11 10:50:01 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA T all BCP's & Notify as BCP's: Since all major exhanges have not opened today.All non-essential personnel in Boston and New York may leave their offices. Roger/CCP

2001-09-11 10:55:46 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA I need to talk to you kathy

2001-09-11 10:57:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Upd-CSC/7777: NY update. All non-essential Fidelity employees are being sent home for the day. Updates to follow. (KRC 10:52)

2001-09-11 11:08:46 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Upd-CSC/7777: **CORRECTION**. Only the Boston and New York non essential employees have been sent home. Updates to follow. (FCM 11:06)

2001-09-11 11:10:03 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA call me kathy

2001-09-11 11:11:46 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA call me kathy

2001-09-11 11:36:33 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA To all BCP's & Notify as BCP's: next scheduled update is at 12:00PM. 1-866-581-1144 ID# 6911. Bridge will rem

2001-09-11 11:36:35 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA ain open in the mean time.Roger/CCP

2001-09-11 11:40:01 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Pl meet in Nario War Room immediately to discuss data center shutdown. JMargie ST 120-4227.

2001-09-11 12:06:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA PLEASE NOTE: All Non-Essential changes are suspended until further notice - even changes that have been approved. Any critical changes that must go in should be escalated to Wendy Jones before proceeding. Any changes planned for the near f

2001-09-11 12:28:01 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA NYC Disaster Update: Please join bridge at 1-8773-358-8394, ID: 830907 at 12:30 ET for update. P.Rolanti

2001-09-11 13:11:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Upd: CSC/7777: Multiple IC branches have closed for the day @ manager discretion & calls will be routed to phone centers. The FBSI war room is operational. All changes have been c

2001-09-11 13:11:33 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA anceled for the next 72 hours. Upd to follow (FCM 13:00)

2001-09-11 13:15:01 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA All changes have been cancelled for the next 72 hrs. If you have a change ticket scheduled during that time, please reschedule your ticket. Updates as I get them. Please contact me with any questions. Wendy

2001-09-11 13:15:03 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Jones (PIN#2160182)

2001-09-11 14:12:48 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA WTC NYC Update: There will be a 2:30 pm ET conference bridge for updates at 1-877-358-8394, ID: 83

2001-09-11 14:12:50 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA 0907? Paul Rolanti

2001-09-11 14:33:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Just looking for an update. - Kathy 781-438-6678

2001-09-11 14:41:46 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA I'm home, logged onto the VPN, Outlook and can be reached at 508 238-0108. Baroud

2001-09-11 15:03:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA FB&RS Personnel at Merrimack. 40+ desktops available. George Baroud. 508-238-0108

2001-09-11 15:11:46 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Upd-CSC/7777: Detailed review of all prod apps conducted to determine which cycles will process tonight. For further info, contact Mark Barnhart, FISC Crisis Mgr, at 972-584-5152 or page 800-skytel2 1986962. U

2001-09-11 15:11:48 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA pd to follow (FCM 15:09)

2001-09-11 15:13:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA To the FB&RS RMT:Please join conference call at 3:30PM on 617 392 2444 ID 1672 to discuss current event status. J Margie phone number in MMK is 603-791-5610.

2001-09-11 16:35:33 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA The 5pm update for NYC has been re-scheduled for 6:30pm ET tonight because will have more information av

2001-09-11 16:35:35 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA ailable on market conditions and from NFS. The bridge at 6:30pm will be 1-877-358-8394, ID: 830907. Tx, Paul Rolanti

2001-09-11 17:00:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Jim, please call Bob Clark about contingency planning for QA lab. Thanks, Bob 15489

2001-09-11 17:10:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA need dso to approve a pace ticket 432892 for emergency change. Who is around or on duty Joe Barton X3-4291 or Chris Lau X3-4198

2001-09-11 17:26:01 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Jim or John, please join 1-877-358-8394, ID: 830907. Paul

2001-09-11 17:44:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Upd-CSC/7777: At approximately 17:45 ET, we will provide an update on which systems will be running this evening (and which will not). For updates, please join the customer bridge

2001-09-11 17:44:33 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA at 4-5488 or 866-581-1150 ID 9111.(FCM 17:40)

2001-09-11 19:11:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA To FBRS Recov Mgt Team: Please join status bridge at 7:30PM. Bridge number is 617 563-3049 ID 1672. JMargie ST 120-4227.

2001-09-11 20:11:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA NYC Update: As of 20:00, 158 seats built in MMK with the NFS image or the CCP image; there will be 520 PCs built by Monday. Ralph Perdomo & COMDISCO are building out 214 desktops in Carlstadt, NJ. Our

2001-09-11 20:11:33 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA IS staff will be onsite by 7AM, NFS is

2001-09-11 20:33:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA New-CSC/7777: A change tkt has been installed which will prevent entry of market orders via retail electronic channels including Web, Fox+, Wireless & FAST. Reps have been informed of this change. Update at change of status. (KRC

2001-09-11 20:33:33 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA 20:30)

2001-09-11 21:58:31 Skytel [003262470] B ALPHA Hard to believe, after all the "dry" runs , it actually happened. Call you when the smoke clears. RAS.

-----------End Data Dump---------------

Still, good work and keep searching.
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QUOTE (Obwon @ Dec 2 2009, 04:58 AM) *
Nothing there! It's all just emergency planning talk:
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This:

2001-09-11 09:31:51 Arch [1612164] B ALPHA N.Y.C. TKT#191100488 -
WTC HAS BEEN HIT BY AN AIRPLANE AND A BOMB. CURRENTLY B6 IS BEING EVACUATED. NCC HAS RECEIVED MULTIPLE ALARMS OPTICAL /
ENVIORNMENTAL.UPDATES WILL FOLLOW. RYAN P/L NCC 800-824-8049
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Haven't yet seen where anyone has tracked this person down. OSS (official story supporters) keep saying there was never any report of a bomb going off at the WTC, this clearly refutes that claim. There is a report but without knowing where this person was located, we can't know what he or she is bearing witness to. Obviously, it's an official, probably located somewhere's near some kind of station. It's unlikely in the extreme that anyone personally witnessed both events, so it's likely they are forwarding reports they're getting from somewheres else. Or, they could have gotten the report of the plane strike and added that to information they obtained first hand. Or they could merely be reporting information that came to them from sources, without having witnessed anything themselves.

We'll probably never get to know.
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post Dec 2 2009, 07:03 PM
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If anyone is interested here is my conversion to .CSV format to make sorting and filtering easier...

http://gummierejects.ucoz.com/_ld/0/4_911PAGERS.zip
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QUOTE (JFK @ Dec 2 2009, 06:03 PM) *
If anyone is interested here is my conversion to .CSV format to make sorting and filtering easier...

http://gummierejects.ucoz.com/_ld/0/4_911PAGERS.zip


Hmmm, this guy at only a few minutes after the event, seems to have all the information, even while everyone else is still trying to figure out if it's a plane or a bomb or both.
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2001-09-11 08:58:33 Skytel [002399634] A ALPHA Initial reports indictate that AAL11, B767, after initial hijacking on flight from BOS-LAX, has crashed into the side of the World Trade Center in NY. ATCSCC/bl

More from this same pager:

2001-09-11 08:58:33 Skytel [002399634] A ALPHA Initial reports indictate that AAL11, B767, after initial hijacking on flight from BOS-LAX, has crashed into the side of the World Trade Center in NY. ATCSCC/bl

2001-09-11 09:16:03 Skytel [002399634] A ALPHA EWR arpt clsd by PONYA: 2nd a/c has impacted WTC; ZNY ATC 0 due events; unable to confirm but believe aircraft were AAL11 BOS-LAX; and UAL175 NY Metro-LAX ATCSCC/bl

2001-09-11 18:47:33 Skytel [002399634] A ALPHA INFO. ONLY (AF-1/below):CDC Cedar City UT ARSR: The facility was not threaten nor evacuated. There was a miscommunications between the specialist and the local sheriff when he report that the facility was at SECON Level D. NOCC/b

2001-09-11 18:47:35 Skytel [002399634] A ALPHA ot

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Interesting... I also get an absolute blank ( other than wikileaks ) when searching for the phone number from that pager. (988) 448-7122
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QUOTE (JFK @ Dec 7 2009, 04:10 PM) *
Interesting... I also get an absolute blank ( other than wikileaks ) when searching for the phone number from that pager. (988) 448-7122


I think I'll search a few other words from that pager, that usually brings up related or "linked" pager messages in the same messaging groups. My guess is this is an official of some kind, he's been looking or receiving data about CDC Utah. To have the flight numbers so early he or she, is certainly "in the loop" for sure.

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QUOTE (Obwon @ Dec 8 2009, 04:42 AM) *
I think I'll search a few other words from that pager, that usually brings up related or "linked" pager messages in the same messaging groups. My guess is this is an official of some kind, he's been looking or receiving data about CDC Utah. To have the flight numbers so early he or she, is certainly "in the loop" for sure.

Obwon


Well, so far it only seems to connect to agilent technologies and SAM, which seems to be the back up server services at Lake Success. I'll look some more later.

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QUOTE (Obwon @ Dec 8 2009, 04:42 AM) *
I think I'll search a few other words from that pager, that usually brings up related or "linked" pager messages in the same messaging groups. My guess is this is an official of some kind, he's been looking or receiving data about CDC Utah. To have the flight numbers so early he or she, is certainly "in the loop" for sure.

Obwon


The other phone number associated with that pager has no area code so it is not conclusive, but one of the possibilities is a law librarian who also does computer programming... ( 202 area code )

I'll have to search for the PDF article by him again as my browser crashed. ( too many windows and tabs open )

Oh wait, it survived the crash in my history...
http://explore.georgetown.edu/people/rvs5/
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http://www.vsb.org/publications/valawyer/oct01/skalbeck.pdf
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QUOTE (Obwon @ Dec 2 2009, 01:29 PM) *
This:

2001-09-11 09:31:51 Arch [1612164] B ALPHA N.Y.C. TKT#191100488 -
WTC HAS BEEN HIT BY AN AIRPLANE AND A BOMB. CURRENTLY B6 IS BEING EVACUATED. NCC HAS RECEIVED MULTIPLE ALARMS OPTICAL /
ENVIORNMENTAL.UPDATES WILL FOLLOW. RYAN P/L NCC 800-824-8049
-----

Haven't yet seen where anyone has tracked this person down. OSS (official story supporters) keep saying there was never any report of a bomb going off at the WTC, this clearly refutes that claim. There is a report but without knowing where this person was located, we can't know what he or she is bearing witness to. Obviously, it's an official, probably located somewhere's near some kind of station. It's unlikely in the extreme that anyone personally witnessed both events, so it's likely they are forwarding reports they're getting from somewheres else. Or, they could have gotten the report of the plane strike and added that to information they obtained first hand. Or they could merely be reporting information that came to them from sources, without having witnessed anything themselves.

We'll probably never get to know.


The messages right after the first hit are interesting. Here's just the first few:


2001-09-11 08:50:46 Arch [0927835] C ALPHA 49-CNN SAID THEY THINK IT WAS A PLANE THAT HIT THE BLDG. -KAREN


2001-09-11 08:50:54 Skytel [004398922] C ALPHA 1) BOMB DETINATED IN WORLD TRADE CTR. PLS GET BACK TO MIKE BRADY W/A QUICK ASSESSMENT OF YOUR AREAS AND CONTACT US IF ANYTHING IS NEEDED AT 212-647-2345.


2001-09-11 08:51:24 Metrocall [0814690] A ALPHA Frm: Santini, Olivia (NBC, MSNBC) Sub: Txt: plane crash at World Trade Center in NYC-no word on details- efforting more info now


It seems the 'official' reports from the ground are that a bomb detonated or that there was an explosion. Instead CNN is first to report that they 'think it was a plane', which they continue to repeat over and over. The 2nd report of a 'plane' comes from someone named Olivia Santini at NBC/MSNBC. I'd love to know where she got her info from, even before people on 'official' channels at the WTC were told? Seems the M$M had their script and did their best to ignore anything that didn't fit their 'story'.

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@JFK:
I did a search for "Airplane" (w/o quotes) in the file, it returned 1211 lines of very interesting results. I've numbered the lines for easy ref. Should I just post it? Or is there some preferable alternative?
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@JFK:
I did a search for "Airplane" (w/o quotes) in the file, it returned 1211 lines of very interesting results. I've numbered the lines for easy ref. Should I just post it? Or is there some preferable alternative?
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QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Dec 8 2009, 09:57 AM) *
The messages right after the first hit are interesting. Here's just the first few:


2001-09-11 08:50:46 Arch [0927835] C ALPHA 49-CNN SAID THEY THINK IT WAS A PLANE THAT HIT THE BLDG. -KAREN


2001-09-11 08:50:54 Skytel [004398922] C ALPHA 1) BOMB DETINATED IN WORLD TRADE CTR. PLS GET BACK TO MIKE BRADY W/A QUICK ASSESSMENT OF YOUR AREAS AND CONTACT US IF ANYTHING IS NEEDED AT 212-647-2345.


2001-09-11 08:51:24 Metrocall [0814690] A ALPHA Frm: Santini, Olivia (NBC, MSNBC) Sub: Txt: plane crash at World Trade Center in NYC-no word on details- efforting more info now


It seems the 'official' reports from the ground are that a bomb detonated or that there was an explosion. Instead CNN is first to report that they 'think it was a plane', which they continue to repeat over and over. The 2nd report of a 'plane' comes from someone named Olivia Santini at NBC/MSNBC. I'd love to know where she got her info from, even before people on 'official' channels at the WTC were told? Seems the M$M had their script and did their best to ignore anything that didn't fit their 'story'.


...And I have this next data dump, just waiting to hear from JFK before I post it, it's long.

In any event, these raw messages show the level of "confusion", you'd expect at any event. But, as a general rule, if people aren't sure, they usually try to reflect that in some way, even if they don't take the time to make that explicite.
These are text messages, yet it is quite clear that they are doing that.

People who know and have been in the WTC, know that it's almost impossible to either witness first hand, or even "sense" events that have taken place in other parts of the building, because they are simply so massive.

We aren't getting messages saying "there's been an explosion next door" or "on the floor above me" etc., which is what someone proximal would say or message, if they were posting first hand observations. I mean, this IS New York we're talking about. Where practical jokers and hoaxsters abound with such regularity and on such a wide variety of subjects (nothing but nothing is taboo here, or at least it wasn't back then). Which is why some messages say explicitly "This is not a joke"! New Yorker expect people to joke about even the most horrible things one could imagine, not to mention that we have more than our share of people who lose it under pressure all the time. So we know that as New Yorkers, we don't know what to expect next.

I remember riding the subway one day, the number one line which is usually taken by Wall St. people during rush hour. This sedate older gentleman, expensive pinstriped suit, cutting edge wafer thin briefcase (that was the ultimate style back then via the pricey "sharper image" thing). Anyway, quite suddenly he rose from his seat, began dancing, singing and sweating profusedly, at the last second he exited the car. You could tell it wasn't his stop, he didn't head for the exit immediately as you expect someone to do if it was their stop. Instead he kept singing and dancing and looking back into the car he'd just exited. You got the feeling he'd get back on if he could, but the doors had closed. He was still wheeling around in circles and singing as the train pulled away. Poor fella, must have been under some incredible pressure, but that's the way the city is, you never know who's going to snap next or where.

In any event, these messages seem to say that the senders are getting reports from some where. They're coming from people at keyboards, at computer stations etc. Thus it's no surprise there's so little back and fourth, or messages from the immediate strike areas, because many of the people in areas adjacent to those areas, as well as people further away, simply got up and ran. Those who were trapped, probably went for their cell and land line phones. Most offices would have radios on, some would have tv's/cable. when the building shook, they'd probably start calling around, paging only if they couldn't get through by phone, or were assigned to man that communications station/post.

Which is why we see so many messages saying the same things. They're communications programs running on a computer and sequentially sending the messages to a list of pagers. Be on the look out for "pager broadcasts", where a single message goes out to several pagers at the same time, like fax broadcasts that used to be offered by "Winfax" at the win3.x -win95 boundary. It seemed like a great idea, but it never got off the ground. But winfax had many dedicated phone lines, so they could send a good number of faxes simultaneously (for a price of course).

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QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Dec 8 2009, 09:57 AM) *
The messages right after the first hit are interesting. Here's just the first few:


2001-09-11 08:50:46 Arch [0927835] C ALPHA 49-CNN SAID THEY THINK IT WAS A PLANE THAT HIT THE BLDG. -KAREN


2001-09-11 08:50:54 Skytel [004398922] C ALPHA 1) BOMB DETINATED IN WORLD TRADE CTR. PLS GET BACK TO MIKE BRADY W/A QUICK ASSESSMENT OF YOUR AREAS AND CONTACT US IF ANYTHING IS NEEDED AT 212-647-2345.


2001-09-11 08:51:24 Metrocall [0814690] A ALPHA Frm: Santini, Olivia (NBC, MSNBC) Sub: Txt: plane crash at World Trade Center in NYC-no word on details- efforting more info now


It seems the 'official' reports from the ground are that a bomb detonated or that there was an explosion. Instead CNN is first to report that they 'think it was a plane', which they continue to repeat over and over. The 2nd report of a 'plane' comes from someone named Olivia Santini at NBC/MSNBC. I'd love to know where she got her info from, even before people on 'official' channels at the WTC were told? Seems the M$M had their script and did their best to ignore anything that didn't fit their 'story'.


They had to drown out the bomb reports, that's for sure! But the bomb reports don't seem to be coming in from people who are certain that a plane has hit either. They seem to be more certain that a bomb went off. Which would make sense. Bomb report coming in from lower floors with plane coming in from high floors. If the people on the lowest floors felt the building shudder or detected a noise like a bomb, it certainly wouldn't have been coming from 80 stories above them. Any kind of shudder or heavy vibration, felt by people below say the 50th floor would probably have to come from very near them. People on the lewest floors near the main concourse, wouldn't feel anything from the plane hits at all. So if this is someone at a command post on the main concourse, they felt a shudder, they know it wasn't the plane hit 80 stories above, so it must be a bomb located somewhere near or under the concourse level.

that's how I expect them to split the two events. If they got a report of a plane strike above, but felt a heavy vibration from below or on the concourse, where the fire and police emergency posts were located, then they know that it's a bomb and a plane, for sure, they don't have to research it any further. They simply cannot be confused by it.

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QUOTE (Obwon @ Dec 8 2009, 11:40 AM) *
...And I have this next data dump, just waiting to hear from JFK before I post it, it's long.

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Let's do it this way... Search the messages using "Airplane" as your search string. w/o quotes. It should yield 236 messages. I've got them numbered one to a line for reference.

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Sorry ObWon, Sidetracked at ATS regarding something else...

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