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Inside The Whole Black Sparkly Universe., implications of the black hole universe theory.

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post Jan 25 2010, 07:01 AM
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Why doesn't light do Doppler?

The speed of light is a measure of length.
it is the measure of the curvature of the gravitational gradient,
that always measures the same length at every gravitational curvature, in gravity.
As gravity intensifies, the speed of light travels a shorter distance.
The speed of light is the fastest anything can travel in any gravity.
It's like the speed limit in gravity.

As gravity increases in space, relative distance will shrink, from the view point of an outside observer.
Within any gravitational curvature, things will appear to become more distant, as the speed of light must measure the same, there, but that length would be shorter in greater gravity, and longer in lesser gravity.

This is how gravity creates more space.
As light slows, the amount of space there, must stay the same, so the distance to things, in less gravity, must increase.

The speed of light is a constant, in every curvature of space.
and the speed of light is a variable at every different curvature of space.

This looks like the 2 solutions to a square root...

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Here's a thought,
life forms are found at various sizes in the mass/diameter logarithmic scale of the universe. This same scale could carry on forever, past the universe, and below the hydrogen atom.
We can only see the part of this line that light has measurable length in, to us, relative to our size on this scale.

If we were the scale of a super cluster of galaxies, the universe may seem just as big, and we might think, that the smallest particle possible,
was the Earth.

...but we would call them planets

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post Jan 25 2010, 10:10 AM
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The electromagnetic spectrum:


mass vs diameter chart.

Notice how the diameter, is the frequency, of things?

diameter=frequency

We are limited to seeing only this finite part, in this infinite scale,
because the speed of light is measured as a constant,
from every density of gravity, one is within.

Light that is generated in a different gravitational curvature,
would show a lower or higher frequency, of the electromagnetic spectrum
but it would still take a second to go 300,000 km, here or there.

The distance and depths, that we can see,
is limited to the frequencies,
that we can detect, within the speed of light.

The speed of light is like a carpenters level,
it will always be the same flatness, measured horizontally on the surface of any of size globe,
as long as it stays the same scale, relative to the curvature of that globe,

who's to know, that the Earth isn't flat?

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Visible light generated in an intense gravitational gradient,
would be x-rays to us. Sunlight generated on the lesser curvature of a giant star would be redder than sunlight generated from a smaller star, as it would have a greater curvature, and all time based interactions there, would be relatively slower.
Any visible light generated from an atom would be a very high frequency and very faint.
So the smaller you go, the higher the frequencies you find generated from there at a greater gravitational gradient and curvature. Of course at that level it might be just be eons of visible light, that shows up here as a much higher frequency as a flash of x-rays in the electromagnetic spectrum.

Case in point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

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The distinction between X and gamma rays is based on sources: gamma rays are the photons generated from nuclear decay or other nuclear and subnuclear/particle process, whereas X-rays are generated by electronic transitions involving highly energetic inner atomic electrons.



The smaller the particle, the higher the curvature, the higher the frequency,
we see from within our lesser curvature.

This is all becoming more obvious.
We live on part of an infinite scale,
where all time based interactions are a ratio of the speed of light, to us.
Any energy generated from beyond the universe would be undetectable to us,
all energy generated below the curvature of the electron, would be also undetectable.
That's why diameter is a frequency of the speed of light.

The frequency in the light we see, gives us some idea of the density of the gravitational gradient that it was created in, relative to us.
Remember, stars are made of atoms, and the light they are generating is going to spectrally change depending on how big the star is, in diameter, to its center.
Really big stars should be red, smaller ones orange, yellow, little dwarf stars would be white, depending on the spectrum of light that they are generating in their atoms at their surface.

We may find that at/on the surface of different size stars, the light generated there, at whatever curvature, would be the same, spectrum. and we just see it as a higher or lower frequency of the electromagnetic spectrum, here, depending on the size of the star generating the light.


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post Jan 26 2010, 08:39 AM
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If all time based interactions are less than the speed of light, which is determined by the gravitational gradient, it is within, then what is changing is the density. Light appears to go slower through glass, than a vacuum. But if one could measure its speed within the glass, it would be going the same distance, in the same time within the glass, so the glass would look much thicker, if we could 'be' inside of it. The speed of light would be the same, there, but our measure of 300,000 km, there, would only be 200,000km outside the glass.
the experience of the speed of light, is a set constant length, from within the density.
The more potential time is taken from an object, the denser it becomes.
We just see it as a ball dropping, and accelerating in gravity.
Any"thing" accelerating, is gaining kinetic energy, giving it more impact if it hits something, or, in a way, adding to its' mass.
Anyhow, keep in mind, that all matter is, are intense conglomerations of gravitational gradients, that govern the speed of light within, at every magnitude of scale.
Space grows as gravity intensifies, unless there is an intense conglomerations of gravitational gradients, in the way.
From the close and small to the far and big, these are all just the effects of gravitational curvatures, going one way or the other.

Now, lets see how science is progressing towards acceptance of this new theory...
(they don't know about it yet):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4I5mgBKPZY
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post Jan 26 2010, 08:35 PM
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This is a quote from a youtube poster, responding to my ponderings:

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GMBCATASTROPHE (3 days ago)
"Matter is just the intensifying of gravitational curvature.."

No thats bullshit. And space doesn't curve. Since it doesn't have shape. So? it doesn't curve, compress or expand. Thats just all a lot of irrational nonsense."



This is a very good argument,
you can't see the vacuum of space, and looking for space curvature is like looking through glass, there's nothing there, how can nothing bend?

Perhaps a better example of gravitational curvature, is our atmosphere.

It is invisible, and it goes round the Earth, if it were in layers, it would become denser in the higher curvature, closer to the Earth.

Things fall toward greater atmospheric curvature.
An airplane wing, going through the air, curves the atmosphere, above it, more than below, and this causes the plane to lift (fall up), into the greater curvature in the atmosphere, above its' wings.
A plane can fly faster and further in less atmospheric curvature, but cannot fly as fast through greater atmospheric curvature,
(with the same amount of thrust from the engines).

The gravity from the Earth extends far out into space, beyond the atmosphere, and the curvature of the shapeless vacuum of space eases, as the density of gravity (space-time) diminishes, further and further, away from the Earth.
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post Jan 27 2010, 03:11 AM
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This concept is that all, that can happen, in this universe,
at any curvature is dependent on the speed of light.
The entire universe exists at every scale of size,
within all the frequencies of the speed of light,
from that gravitational gradient.

The smallest size we can see, is in the curvature where the speed of light would be almost 0 compared to us,(perhaps the Planck length) and the furthest we can see is, the length of time, it takes for light to arrive here, through lesser gravitational gradients.

If we were down on a gravitational curvature of a Planck length, a second would seem the same and light would still go 300 mega-meters in that time.
light would have to go slower and slower through the intensifying gradient of gravity, from back on Earth, and it would take a long time to get there, and the frequency would be so low there, that it may not even register, in the speed of light at the Planck length.

Scale forever, up or down,
the limitation of the universe around you,
at any density of gravity, is the speed of light,
at that curvature.

We are on an infinite slide, that we only see a little part of,
from the smallest things we can magnify,
the the farthest things away in space,
and we think that just this,
is the entire universe...

...like a bug on a giant redwood
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post Jan 27 2010, 10:44 AM
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If the speed of light is a variable, and all time based interactions must happen within it, and sound waves are going the speed of light, Perhaps the speed of light there, at the quantum transition level, is 0 compared to here at a lesser gravitational gradient?
Jerry Reynard calls this level "the neutral zone", where the speed of light has come to a stand still, relative to our measure of the speed of light. Volume is so small that time has stopped there, at the quantum transition.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ruFNzr7kk

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The speed of light is a constant, in every curvature of space.
and the speed of light is a variable at every different curvature of space.

This looks like the 2 solutions to a square root...


if E=mc^2
then solving for c:

is c=-Sqrt(me)/m
and c=+Sqrt(me)/m

This is 2 solutions to a square root


At any gravitational gradient, time can be seen to be stopped, relative to a lesser gradient and still taking place at the same time. A different part scale of the entire universe exists for every gradient of gravity, within the entire frequency of the maximum speed of light, measured in that particular gravitational gradient.

So we can only know, things that fall below the maximum speed of light, that we experience, at this gravitational curvature on the surface of the Earth

for the speed of sound (the mechanical motion of matter), to be the same as the speed of light (the maximum speed of measurable frequency)
Time would have to nearly stop, there, relative to us.

...still, a bug on a tree,
but the fog is lifting.

At the quantum transition level, time would still be happening and it would take light 1 second to go 300,000 km.

But that would be a very short distance, measured from here, and that second would go on for almost eternity.
Time is shortened in greater gravity, but stays the same measured anywhere in that same curvature.

...it's a much bigger tree,
and it's in a forest, on a mountain side...

...and all the trees up and down look smaller in the distance, but when you get there they are all just as big.
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post Jan 28 2010, 12:08 AM
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What it all boils down to is relative length.
Space can be divided to infinity.
the speed of light is relative to that length of a division,
and must be the same to every division of length.
If the length is shorter, then time is relaxed and speed of light must be slower, relative to a longer division of space.
Light generated in a more time-relaxed (smaller) area of space, would show up as a higher frequency of light, in a longer division of space. light generated in a longer division of space would look like lower frequencies from a shorter divisions perspective.

Hmmn, i wonder,
if space expands through greater gravitational curvature,
that should mean, if i drop two balls, the same size, shape, and weight, at the same time, from a high tower, a set distance apart, they should be slightly further apart when they hit the ground.
(it wouldn't be much, but it might be measurable.)

...i wonder if anybody has ever noticed this effect before...
i remember some guy doing this but i think he was more interested in seeing if they hit the ground at the same time, than how much further apart they were when they landed, but i don't think one could tell with a telescope.
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post Jan 28 2010, 06:05 PM
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I hope this make sense to someone other than me...
(though, i somehow doubt it)

A space can be divided in two, and those can be divided again, and again forever.

Now imagine that each space you divide, becomes the same size, as before the last division. If these divisions were all in a stack, from the biggest to the smallest, it would look tapered, but inside a division, the things in the smaller divisions, would look very small, and the things in the bigger divisions, would look very far away.
Anything in a division, would experience every division of space,
the same as the last one, they were in.

Things (matter) are conglomerates of various small divisions.
Conglomerates of small divisions, gravitate toward smaller divisions of space,
but can go no farther than the smallest division,
relative to the division of space, its' conglomerate of divisions, conglomerated in.

When a conglomerate of divisions, reaches its' smallest division of space,
it stops, relative to the division it conglomerated in.

A conglomerate of divisions, is limited
to a finite amount of divisions of space it can experience.
Each division, contains divisions of space, all smaller than it.


In other words, the universe is infinite, but we can only know,
a finite part of it, and we think that is the entire universe, from the smallest part of an atom to the furthest galaxies, that's all just another dot on an infinite line, of mass vs frequency. That spans from any fraction above zero, to anything just below infinity.


There is so much more to know,
we don't have time to waste,
on wars and tyranny.
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post Jan 28 2010, 07:09 PM
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lunk:
I hope this make sense to someone other than me...
(though, i somehow doubt it)

A space can be divided in two, and those can be divided again, and again forever.

I think you mean a mitosis type of theory ?

I found this blog, paragraphs about Dr. Justin D. Aslinger's theory (Protophysics)

http://www.johnwise.com/index.cfm?mode=sea...finite+universe

One of the first steps on this path will be the introduction to his new theory of time. In Dr. Aslingers conception, time is a particle that is dividing like cells in a human body. This division is an exponential process where one particle gives rise to 4 new particles, then the 5 collectively produce 20 becoming 25, followed by 125, 625, 3,125, 15,625, 78,125, 390,625, 1,953,125, 9,765,625 and so on until after 23 iterations we are now over 3 quadrillion particles of time and so on again and again moving forward with time - a hyper exponential model should be apparent to anyone at this point through this kind of mitosis theory of time. According to this model, time is dividing in every instant, although the Dr. admits he does not know what that instant is or how yet it could be measured.

He also tried to explain space-time in relationship to infinity, saying that over the course of the life of the universe (approximately 14 billion years) that time is all matter, including the more mysterious and as of yet unexplained dark matter. Dark Matter (which comprises 95% of the universe) is responsible for the gravitational effect on visible matter, because in reality time is a physical phenomenon similar to an atom and that as we learn more of Aslinger's theory of time we will come to understand that time is the very building block of all matter, both visible and unseen in the universe. Anyway, what happens is that as time particles have been dividing over the previous 14 billion years they have stretched the universe to what we understand as infinity. If we could build a space craft that could take us to the edge of the universe at the precipice of infinity, in that instant we would recognize the edge of space time, but the by then immensely exponential division that would occur in the next instant would again push the border of space-time to yet another immeasurable expansion of the universe.

So what are we doing here in time? Time is the substrate used by the brain much like a train traveling down a rail, allowing the brain to act as a temporal imaginative mapping edifice translating dimensional morphogenetic transitions (changing or interpreting an ever changing moving forward reality). Time is the universe the brain rides upon, the brain is an interpreter of time, all things are time, made of time, in time, and everything and all things are manifestations of time as all things exist within time, made of the very fabric of time. We are surfing or swimming within the particle soup of time. As time moves forward we too are being thrust forward with every instant that comes into existence from times march forward.

Interestingly, I start to surmise that if time is moving forward and it is a physical presence, then due to the ever increasing abundance of time from its exponential division then isn't it also possible that with all of the previous time particles that are now abundant throughout the universe that we should be able to travel upon that rail of time, forward and backward? After all, isn't the Hubble telescope photographing light that has traveled across time showing us that for us in this moment the past is right before our eyes. Sorry about my naivety regarding relativity and probably a basic law of or two of physics but I am but a lay person trying to tread water in Dr. Aslinger's world.

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post Jan 29 2010, 03:06 AM
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The other way of looking at this is that the inside of every black-hole is our own universe, the same one we are in. Every point on the edge of the universe has a corresponding atom, somewhere in the universe.
And because the volume of a sphere is greater than its surface area,
there is lots of space, in the universe.
The universe is finite, but complete.

...and there only is one lunk,
not a huge number doubling every moment.

This description seems more plausible,
but i just thought it up.

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post Jan 29 2010, 03:11 PM
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On the infinite and finite divisibility of vacuous space.

Abstract:
Empty space is divisible to infinity,
and the speed of light travels the same distance, in the same time,
within each division of space.
Empty space is divided in half by length, and that half length becomes the new measure of time, for that division, of empty space.
As light must travel a set distance in time,
the space within each division must increase,
but only within that division,
from the perspective of the greater division,
that same distance would appear to be half,
and looking the other way, double.
As it is time, that is being compressed with each division, of space.
Or time is condensing, with every division.

Like the length of empty space; meters, millimeters, nanometers...
time also can be divided forever: second, milliseconds, nanoseconds...

Light, of course is energy, and it always goes the same distance, in the same time. But light carries a frequency too, and if it doesn't it is no longer light.

Visible light, is almost one octave of vibrational frequency
in the electromagnetic spectrum, this would be 1 division of space.
Visible light, is within, almost a complete doubling,
of a frequency within the speed of light.
Near infrared light generated in a division of space, where the time it took light to travel, half the distance relative to here, would appear to us to be violet. Half that length again and that heat, would be in the ultra-violet.

Higher frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum, we see in our division of space, are lower frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum, generated in a smaller division of space.

The highest frequencies we can know, come from the smallest divisions of space. The lowest frequencies we can know, in our division of space is matter, and matter comes from a greater division of space than ours.

That means that the matter of our universe is the energy in a greater division of space than ours, and, the energy we experience in our division of space is the matter, of a smaller division.

We are bounded in our limit, of knowing the universe
by the speed of light, at our scale,
on the outside skin of the Earth.
We can only see so far out into space,
as long as the light from there, can still get here,
and things can only exist,
in our universe, above the Planck length.
But with the speed of light as a variable, anything outside this range would not exist, to us, and this
range would be the same vastness at every scale.

...∞i∞...
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post Jan 30 2010, 10:51 PM
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What is vacuous space?
Everyone wants to know.

Empty space is the distance between 2 points.
Since there is nothing in empty space, the only way
we can measure it, is the time it takes to travel a distance.
The fastest speed there is is the speed of light.
So the only way to divide space is with time,
so length must stay the same in every
division of space.
When we look through tinier divisions of space we see atoms,
when we look through vaster divisions of space we see stars.

As things get smaller, in size or distance, the space gets bigger.

Photons move through the vacuum of space, at the speed of light
and vibrations travel through matter, at the speed of sound.
But matter is made of atoms and
space is not made out of photons.

So in a sense sound is a wave, and light is a particle.

But, what is space?
The distance between two points?
How would you know how far that is?
By measuring the length of time, it takes
the speed of light to go between those 2 points,
the fastest speed there is in space?
What is the light going through, between those 2 points?
Nothing. There is nothing to measure except time.

So if you want more space you must divide time, not length.
Simple logic.

That means every division of space, must be the same length.

Space is made out of divisions of time, all of the same length.

...∞i∞...
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post Jan 31 2010, 10:44 AM
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What is lift?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_%28force%29

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While common meanings of the word "lift" suggest that lift opposes gravity, lift can be in any direction. When an aircraft is flying straight and level (cruise) most of the lift opposes gravity. However, when an aircraft is climbing, descending, or banking in a turn, for example, the lift is tilted with respect to the vertical. Lift may also be entirely downwards in some aerobatic manoeuvres, or on the wing on a racing car. In this last case, the term downforce is often used. Lift may also be horizontal, for instance on a sail on a sailboat


There are many explanations trying to explain lift,
yet, all are different, and some are incorrect. (at least partially)

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/wrong1.html
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The theory can be labeled the "Longer Path" theory, or the "Equal Transit Time" theory. The theory states that airfoils are shaped with the upper surface longer than the bottom. The air molecules (the little colored balls on the figure) have farther to travel over the top of the airfoil than along the bottom. In order to meet up at the trailing edge, the molecules going over the top of the wing must travel faster than the molecules moving under the wing. Because the upper flow is faster, then, from Bernoulli's equation, the pressure is lower. The difference in pressure across the airfoil produces the lift.


Here is my explanation for lift:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10781781

This is the perfect analogy for gravitational gradients in the vacuum of space, and their effect on matter, through the increasing curvature of the density of time, in divisions of space.

Planes can fly because they create and change the curvature of the space they are traveling through, and things "lift" into tighter curvatures of the space they are in.

...just a thought...
If you were to change the curvature
of the solid, level ground
that you are standing on,
you will either be, up on a hill,
or down in a pit.
Depending on which way, you shovel it.

Curvature, curvature,
it's all about curvatures,
and the length between any two points.

...∞i∞...
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post Feb 1 2010, 01:15 PM
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On the variable speed of light:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_speed_of_light
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A changing c in relativity would mean the imaginary dimension of time is changing compared to the other three real-valued spacial dimensions of space-time.


Remember the definition of any space, is the distance between two points.
And the only way to measure that distance, is the time it takes the fastest thing in space (the speed of light) to get that far.
To double that distance of that space,
light would have to travel twice as far,
and the time would take twice as long.
To half that volume of space, light would take half as much time,
to travel half that distance.
For time to be a constant, between any to points in space,
distance would have to be a constant.
Therefore the only thing that can change, is time,
and that is dependent on the measured speed of light.

The only way space can exist, is if length remained the same,
and the speed of light was variable.

The length of any division of space would
remain the same, but the time it takes light to cross,
between two points in any division of space, will be half,
for any division of space.

Every division of space, is a division of time,
where the light there always goes half the speed, in the same length.

The great mistake in physics,
is that all length is measured, by a fixed speed of light,
giving the illusion of great distance, or shortness, through different divisions of space.

The measured length light travels in 1 second, in any division of space must equal 300,000 km, or there would be no such thing as space.
And if length is fixed, and time is a variable, then distance, is a shortening and lengthening of time, that must always be the fastest speed for every division of space.

Time is the only possible divisor of space,
not length.

Yet we see, and experience time, as a constant and space stretching to infinity, from our division of space,
and the same must be true from within every division of space.

This means that all things must behave the same within each division of space, but each division of space would have a shorter or longer measure of time.

These incremental divisions of space, is what gives us, what we call, gravity.

As each division of space becomes shorter of time, as things get smaller, the density of things in those smaller and smaller division of space, increases, from the perspective of any greater division.

Infrared light in a tiny division of space would be ultraviolet in a bigger division of space, and vice-versa.
This would limit the existence of the entire universe, one could perceive, from any division of space in the universe.
In this way, the universe can be seen to be an infinitely dense solid,
with no space, where nothing ever changes.
But we can only know, the parts that are within the frequency of light,
below the speed of light, within that division of space. The rest of the solid universe would be to high of frequency (short) to know, and too far away (distant) in the speed of light at any division.

The universe has space, because of the variable speed of light,
caused by the division of time, in space.

Another way of looking at this, is that there is no matter at all, in the universe, just intensifying densities of time, The universe is infinite space.
which we think are "things" in space. (stars to photons)
From the farthest reaches of light, to the Planck length,
are all based on the our speed of light, measured from,
within our division of space, in the universe.

Both are true.

The universe is an infinitely dense solid,
and, the universe is infinitely vast empty vacuous space.

The different frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum are generated as the same frequency of light, in different divisions of space, but are seen as different frequencies in light from any single division of space. The Planck length is always the lowest limit for any division of space, and light will always travel the same distance in the relative time of each division.

This means that the Planck length would also be contingent on the maximum speed of light for any division of space. Making anything smaller, undetectable, for/at that particular division of space.

The Planck length was determined mathematically, by "red shifting" the photon to 0. This would be different at every division of space because the speed of light is a variable. Any photons going faster than the speed of light would be undetectable to us, in this division of space.

We are, in essence, restricted from knowing of the existence,
and true nature, of the rest of the universe,
by our measure, in our division of space,
by the fastest speed there is, here,
the speed of light.

...∞i∞...

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So far in this thread,
i have discovered, (or reasonably explained) that,

*Matter does not exist,
*Gravity is the effect of intensifying space curvature.
*Kinetic energy is really decreasing potential time.
*Space, can only be divided by time, not length.
*The universe can be seen as an infinitely dense solid,
and a completely empty vast infinite space, at the same time.
*light as a particle, sound only as a wave,
*How matter is energy, in a different gravitational curvature
*why Doppler don't do light, but does do sound.
*gravitational lensing
*why light appears to travel slower through glass than air.
*the increasing density of the Earths' layers, by a factor of 4 with depth.
*how matter can travel at the speed of light.
*the upper and lower limits of each level of magnitude, for increasing density of gravity.
*Coherent laser light goes through the electron shell, revealing the intense gravitational curvatures within.

i think this theory will also explain the separation of the spectrum of light through a prism.

But, i think, the most significant discovery for pilots is,

*the real reason that the shape of the wing of a plane
going through the air, causes lift,
from the curvature of density gradients.

...∞i∞...
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post Feb 2 2010, 02:17 PM
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Taking the view that the universe is an infinitely dense solid...

(i posted this at on Neal Adams' youtube site.)
his theory, is that space is full of very small particles,
that make up the matter we know in our universe.

He calls these particles prime matter particles (PMP)s

This is my post:

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There seems to be the question of light being a wave or a particle. The frequency of light is its' wave length, but it is measured in a vacuum as the fastest speed there is.
Sound, is the mechanical vibration of matter, it is not a particle, but a wave growing into a medium,(faster through denser mediums) As space is a vacuum, without matter in it. Light must be a particle, for it to travel through empty space?...
Unless, it is traveling through a very dense matter, we can't detect.
PMPs ?!


Light as sound, traveling through a medium.
Looking at things this way, light must be a sound wave, traveling through a super dense medium, light is not then, a not a particle.

One could say, that space was so incredibly dense that we couldn't know of its existence after the point, where light red shifted to zero, from our density gradient, in the infinite scheme of things.

Of course, all the universe really is,
is vast infinite empty space,
divided with time, forever.

...i guess time, is what you get when you divide nothing by infinity,
one must keep going to the next decimal place, forever, to find the answer.

cheers!

...∞i∞...
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This is a gem:

http://www.jemeter.com/info_Refractive_Ind...tm#Alphabetical

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light travels in water at 3/4 of its velocity in a vacuum, so we assign a value of 4/3, or 1.333 as the index of refraction of water. But if we freeze that water into ice, a different arrangement of the molecules results and the ice has a refractive index of 1.313. Or, if we boil the water, yet another arrangement of the same molecules is produced, which retards the light very little, and the steam has a refractive index of 1.0002.


Water has three states of matter, (or more)
in which it is transparent.

It also has different densities for each state.
water, is the densest form,
ice, is less dense than water, (that's why the Titanic sank, supposedly)
and steam, is less dense than water, too.

Light can travel through all three.
but travels fastest through the least densest form of water, steam.
Same molecule, different temperatures, also in different pressures at different temperatures. (triple point of water)

The light must go farther, through each greater density.
From our perspective, light appears to be going slower, but it can't!

Dollars to donuts, that the speed of sound,
(the maximum speed possible of the propagation of mechanical vibration through matter)
travels faster through water, than ice,
and slowest through steam.

Directly the opposite of what the speed of light (the maximum speed possible for a frequency electromagnetism to travel through vacuous, empty, devoid of anything, space)

matter and energy are the same thing, from different densities.

i guess we can wave the idea of light being a particle, goodbye.

Light is a sound wave that speed is slowed through greater density.

...but that's just one way of looking at it.
Everything is really infinite space, in infinite divisions of time.

And that gives us the entire known universe,
a finite but exponential experience of infinity.

Congratulations, you made it.
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QUOTE (lunk @ Feb 3 2010, 06:00 AM) *
Dollars to donuts, that the speed of sound,
(the maximum speed possible of the propagation of mechanical vibration through matter)
travels faster through water, than ice,
and slowest through steam.


hmmm,
it looks like sound travels faster through ice than water, though this looks like a number derived from a calculation, not a measurement.

Perhaps, there are more factors involved in propagation of mechanical vibrations through different states of matter, than just densities.
For instance there is the density of matter,
and there are the density of things in matter,
and the rigidity of that state of the matter, too,
and their relative scale to each other.

The universe is a soup of different densities,
as seen from any scale,
and that soup, has different physical properties,
if it is frozen solid, or steaming hot.

Soup is Good Food:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUpidCc7wwY
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How to invert the current paradigms, of geologists and physicists,
in less than 500 characters,
(or at least get them thinking)

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The density of the Earth does increase,
by a factor of 4, going down.
Air, clouds, water, rock, mantel, core.

Everything is in layers, around the center of the Earth.
Less and less, dense, radiating out from the core.
like a layered, inverse square law, for matter,
up to the vacuum of space,
where sound (mechanical vibration of matter) stops,
as there is no matter to vibrate through,
and light goes the fastest,
because there is no matter, to slow down its' speed.


hmmn, the word, "dense" is sort of a slang,
for someone slow to comprehend, something.
Like as in, "thick".
A brighter student is "quick" to pick up on ideas.
The "light" of intellect.

Funny how we might already intuitively know all this;

density being a division of space in time, or time in space, and the speed of light, slowing through density, the opposite to the rate of propagation of mechanical vibrations, and all.
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on Botany and Biology:

Life forms are made of energy and matter.
Our bodies are made of different densities, combinations, and states of matter,
Mostly solid, with some liquid, and even less gas (hopefully).
Our bodies are controlled with electrical impulses, from, and to, our brains, with most of the essential biological sub-systems, automatic (like, heart-beat, and breathing).

Curious that we all have the same temperature,
that causes great stress, if it varies even a little, from the average.
Birds, must keep themselves a little warmer than animals.
Cold blooded creatures are at the mercy of their environment.
colder is lower for them.

From bacteria, to the giant redwood, almost all life forms,
are found in the same line, in the mass/size chart.

Note: i think, the Redwood is a little off that line, because it grows away from the denser gravity gradient, closer to the Earth, into the lesser gravitation densities, above and away, from the surface. In other words, it spans more time divisions of space, than other life forms, because it is so tall.
If Redwoods grew horizontally on the Earth, they would have to be much shorter and denser, and would then be on that line, exactly. (my guess)

There is no such thing as a photon,
it is the vibration through extremely dense matter, that we can't detect,
like water to a fish.
This wave of light hits matter, the distance it travels,
in the same time, increases, we see this, as the light moving slower,
for the light though, it just has further to go.

Now, some matter, can be transparent in all states, like water.
The lighter elements seem to be more transparent to light,
than the heavier elements.
Diamond, pure carbon, is transparent and light travels very slowly through it,
solid pure gold is opaque and so dense that light bounces back from it!
But gold vapor would probably be transparent, and light would just move slower through it, depending on the pressure.
The transparency to light for matter, is dependent on the state of material,
the light is going through, and the densities of the atoms or molecules it is made from. Higher frequencies of light will go through denser matter, as if they were not there, but will still appear to travel slower.
That is why the denser parts of the body show up in x-rays.
The denser matter acts like a sound board and reflects back more of the x-rays.
Less dense matter allows the wave to pass through, but more quickly or slowly, depending on the density of the matter, the material is made up from.

Of course, the density of anything is a division of space with time.
So distance must increase in greater densities.
One could look at the vacuum of space as matter, so dense,
that it is outside our range for the speed of light.

Everything is made from infinite vacuous space divided by time, where everything from light to matter is a vibration, acting and responding to, higher and lower vibrations, of time densities, through time densities, and within time densities.

As far as i can think, space must be dividable by time, to infinity, and every level of division would have it's own maximum speed of light and maximum speed of sound. Matter and energy would exist, the same as here, at every division.

THIS IS SO BIG!!!
and we only get to know a finite part of it,
...but that tells us everything we need to know,
about the rest of infinity.

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