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[dMz]

Again with the question avoidance...

Let's add:
43. "The question should really be... why do people come here to be trolls and register to a forum in order to engage people they think are nuts?? "- RB

[although #43 is related to #22, #39, and #41 in my recent list- you might want to print those 2 lists out nicepants (TF's 1-13 and my 14-42 above, but I think I know where foxy went, so you can skip that one (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )- BTW the question numbers are quite helpful for those of us that are actually looking for answers. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ]

[dMz]

I'll personally add:

44. Are you and some of your "anonymous" associates attempting to turn this research-oriented website into a "troll infested shithole?" [to paraphrase Rob, out of context of course, if he will grant me some leeway here (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ]

This post has been edited by dMole: May 29 2008, 10:29 AM

[rob balsamo]

This was posted at the govt loyalist site by James B of SLC...

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http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=114839

I replied with...

Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 02:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com>
Subject: Thanks!
To: James Bennett <xxxxxxxx@gmail.com>
CC: Ron <xxxxxxxx@verizon.net>


Hi James,

I tried registering for the govt loyalist site a long time ago using my real name for times such as these, but not surprisingly Lisa Simpson denied it. But it appears i dont need to register, you people post our stuff anyway. Im referenced four times in the "tags" on the bottom. Great stuff! Most with a brain can read through all the noise you people like to mix in, but i appreciate you posting the link to the audio download. I was going to send an email to Ron asking if he would post it. You beat me to it. Also not surprising that the old timer Beachnut doesnt even realize he is made to be a fool in the audio, senility has surely set in.. Also, I agree with Ron, Mark is a huge disappointment.

You may also want to inform LashL that my credentials listed on our http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core page are extremely accurate before LashL looks more a fool. Or not.. doesnt matter.

I especially like how these people are so ignorant they think we arent correcting our math when anyone listening to the download will readily see/hear what is going on. You people are your own worst enemy. Not sure if i ever mntioned it to you, but we received quite a few applicants from being promoted by the govt loyalist site and SLC. They didnt even know about us prior. Thanks again!

Just one request, perhaps you can edit the thread title to include my name or orgranization?

Feel free to quote this too. You can be my sock at the govt loyalist site.. :-)

Ron, i gave you some props on the show by the way. I truly do appreciate the fact you stepped up to the plate when no one else would. I have gained some new found respect for you. When im in NY, we definitely need to do a beer. Im hoping to move back up there soon. I'll keep you posted.

Regards,
Rob

I forwarded it to Dom to post there if James didnt. Dom posted it in the thread. The govt loyalist site mods deleted it within an hour. That place is nothing but full of deception. lol.

I wonder if James posts it, it will get deleted, and why dont they delete any other of my quotes? Nicepants... why dont they delete any of my quotes you post? I guess they prefer a one sided argument based on quote mining and cherry picking and delete/ban anyone who disagrees. Pathetic hypocrites.

[dMz]

Still counting:

45. I wonder if James posts it, it will get deleted, and why dont they delete any other of my quotes?

46. Nicepants... why dont they delete any of my quotes you post?

I found it interesting that about 80+% of LashL's signature pages are hosted on Googlepages...

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10334359

I know that post wasn't popular- I'm just sayin'...

[rob balsamo]

Just had an email exhange with James B regarding the deleted reply... here is the exchange...

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:25 AM, Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com> wrote:

Well, i had Dom post the below email to your thread James. Within the hour, the mods deleted it. lol... how hypocritcal is that? the govt loyalist site is nothing but full of deception and anonymous cowards who refuse to come out from behind their screen for debate (except you Ron, in our case). I dont suppose you'll try to post it yourself James? Perhaps by you posting it, it wont get deleted since you're "the govt loyalist site Friendly". It appears only "the govt loyalist site Friendly" quotes of me cherry picked combined with comments of extreme bias are allowed there. Pretty pathetic... only hurts your side i suppose.

James Bennett <xxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
This cracked me up in your interview, you kept on complaining that Ron was biased. In a debate everyone by definition is biased! Take a class in basic logic for God's sake. You are just upset because he is biased against you. Man, talk about egos. If the people at the govt loyalist site were not the first people to point out your math, then why did you not correct it earlier? That is a basis of conspiracy theorist, never admit you are wrong unless you have no choice, and there is no such thing as falsifiability. If there were, it would be science and not conspiracy.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:45 AM, Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com> wrote:

Typical, skip over the hypocrisy of your cohorts at the govt loyalist site for deleting threads of those who "disagree" and flat out lie (in the case of LashL) and focus on an issue you are completely confused about. Listen to the show James and you'll find out why the "math" isnt corrected yet. Or not.. others will and you will continue to look ignorant asking the same questions.

Rn is fully aware why our "math" isnt correcvted yet. Maybe ask him?

So James, you going to post the email? Or do you condone censorship of those who "disagree". All these exchanges will be going into our forum by the way...

Yes James, we are all biased.But we dont delete threads in favor of cherry picking quotes. Seems you dont have a problem with your cohorts deleting and refusing registration to your opposition. Geee, why is that?

James Bennett <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL Having been banned from both 911 Blogger and the Loose Change forum (almost immediately), you won't get much sympathy from me. I am not an administrator at the govt loyalist site, nor anything but a simple member, if you have a problem with membership, address someone who actually has authority. Compare the number of truthers at the govt loyalist site (there are several) with the number of debunkers at 911Blogger, absolutely zero.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Pilots For Truth <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com> wrote:

James,

It really is a simple question, will you or will you not post the email below? You posted my interview, surely they would have no reason to delete my email posted by you?

Is there some reason you dont want to post my email but rather quote mine and cherry pick other things i've said? I think i know why. :-)

James, anytime you want to call so you dont look so ignorant and biased, feel free.

XXX-XXX-XXXX

It will be recorded. Do not post my number anywhere though. Thanks!

Regards,
Rob

James Bennett <xxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't get what your e-mail would add to the conversation. You had an hour long interview, if you wanted to state any of these equivocations, you should have done so then. I quoted you in full, I don't need to add a correction.

Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:16:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Pilots For Truth" <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Re: Fwd: Thanks!
To: "James Bennett" <xxxx@gmail.com>
CC: "Domenick DiMaggio" <xxxxx@yahoo.com>, "Ron" <xxxxx@verizon.net>


So you refuse to let the opposition get in a rebuttal. Understood, and i dont blame you.

You also are knowingly and willingly let your cohorts lie (in the case of LashL), again, noted.

Anytime you would like to discuss your inaccurate comments, let me know. You have my number.

Thanks again!
Rob

James Bennett <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
And for God's sake, look up the definition of biased.

Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:31:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Pilots For Truth" <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Re: Fwd: Thanks!
To: "James Bennett" <xxxxx@gmail.com>
CC: "Domenick DiMaggio" <xxxxxx@yahoo.com>, "Ron" <xxxxxxx@verizon.net>

Sorry James, no more time to play with your extreme bias which is apparent by refusing to let your opposition have a rebuttal to your inaccurate comments you posted publicly.

If you care to exchange further, feel free to call or sign up to our forums where our email exchange is posted. We wont refuse your registration or ask for your real name and zip code as required at the the govt loyalist site. Its a simple email validation.

Here is a link to our email exchange and your refusal to post the rebuttal.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10742348


Regards,
Rob

[rob balsamo]

James Bennett <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
Inaccurate comments? I quoted you verbatim.

And we are proponents of a viewpoint, we are supposed to be biased. Learn how to use a dictionary for god\'s sake.

Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:41:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: \"Pilots For Truth\" <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Re: Fwd: Thanks!
To: \"James Bennett\" <xxxxx@gmail.com>
CC: \"Domenick DiMaggio\" <xxxxxx@yahoo.com>, \"Ron\" <xxxxx@verizon.net>


James,

Again, please read the email i asked you to post for my rebuttal. I understand why you refuse to post it. I also understand why your cohorts deleted it.

Forgive me if i dont reply to your next email as i really have to get some work done.

Feel free to call anytime.

Regards,
Rob

[nicepants]

And yes.. you are getting ripped off. Good on the flight school who is milking your ass. You deserve it.

You keep saying I'm getting "milked" but I'm not paying any more than I would be paying at any of the other schools I checked out. Perhaps you'd like to bring some evidence to support your claim? Such as how much someone at my point in training should have paid?

Again, I will be surprised if you actually do so, because it would prove that you are wrong. Are you willing to check your own claims for accuracy? Or will you just repeat them simply because you believe everything I say is wrong?

[nicepants]

Mark Roberts exaggerates, quote mines, and spins most of the quotes completely out of context.

Have any specific examples?

Not to mention, considering the man is a NYer, he sure cries for a long time over a discussion that got heated. The fact you equate Marks quote mining in an attempt to almost justify what Troy has done demonstrates your extreme bias, denial and spin. Pathetic.

Whoa, whoa...I never attempted to justify what Troy did. On the contrary, I said that kind of behavior is "ridiculous, regardless of what side you are on".
If that behavior is unacceptable for Troy (which it is), then it's equally unacceptable for truthers. Do you agree?

Hey nicepants, you have some aviation experience, care to get on air and debate the FDR with me? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I don't have any technical experience with the interpretation of FDR data, so I would have no place in such a debate.

[Leslie Landry]

I don't have any technical experience with the interpretation of FDR data, so I would have no place in such a debate.

and yet....another one backs down...what a shock LOL

[rob balsamo]

Whoa, whoa...I never attempted to justify what Troy did. On the contrary, I said that kind of behavior is "ridiculous, regardless of what side you are on".
If that behavior is unacceptable for Troy (which it is), then it's equally unacceptable for truthers. Do you agree?.

What Troy did is very different than what Mark is quoting. That is how you are trying to justify it by equating the two, when they dont even equate.. Note how Mark refuses to debate us as well. He will be readily exposed for his spin. But keep using him for a source, makes you look great!

[rob balsamo]

Then Why don't you read Mr. Balsamo's report on the FDR, and learn from a pro?

If you don't agree with it, find a pro that can debate with Mr. Balsamo.

All their so called "pros" are anonymous and they used the excuse "there is nothing to debate". Meanwhile, they spent their whole time during the show behind their screens attempting to debate each point that was mentioned on the show in the comfort of their cohorts and biased mods who delete opposition response. Is it any surprise they refuse? They wont debate us head on because they're right, they have nothing to debate. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Pathetic.

[nicepants]

What Troy did is very different than what Mark is quoting. That is how you are trying to justify it by equating the two, when they dont even equate.. Note how Mark refuses to debate us as well. He will be readily exposed for his spin. But keep using him for a source, makes you look great!

Are you now trying to excuse the actions of those who have threatened Mr. Roberts? or do you believe that to be unacceptable as well?

All their so called "pros" are anonymous and they used the excuse "there is nothing to debate". Meanwhile, they spent their whole time during the show behind their screens attempting to debate each point that was mentioned on the show in the comfort of their cohorts and biased mods who delete opposition response. Is it any surprise they refuse? They wont debate us head on because they're right, they have nothing to debate. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Pathetic.

Who is "they"? If you're referring to j.r.e.fers...I believe Ron debated you head-on.

If you want to discuss FDR data, why don't you contact the NTSB? I'm sure they can put you in touch with plenty of FDR analysis experts who could answer the questions you have about the data.

[dMz]

and yet....another one backs down...what a shock LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q

You GO, Freddie [and Leslie, too]!

EDIT: Fawwwk! There's a classic bass line for y'all!

This post has been edited by dMole: May 29 2008, 01:01 PM

[rob balsamo]

Are you now trying to excuse the actions of those who have threatened Mr. Roberts? or do you believe that to be unacceptable as well?

Mark Roberts is a whining crybaby who quote mines and cherry picks out of heated discussions on forums in attempts to discredit people because he cannot debate the facts. Troy calls 9//11 victims Families at home and harrasses them. You dont see a difference here? Why would you equate the two?

Who is "they"? If you're referring to j.r.e.fers...I believe Ron debated you head-on.

Maybe you are unfamiliar with how to copy/paste. Place your mouse over the below code, Left click and drag. Right click copy, go to a new browser window and right click again. Click paste. Click go. Read.

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http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3704117&postcount=105

If you are unable to copy/paste, here is Ron's quote for you.

I just received another call from Rob Balsamo. He was quite civil and impressed me with his sincerity in wanting a substantive debate on the FDR and related matters. I agreed to apologize for lumping him in with Ranke and Marquis and promised I would continue my effort to find opponents for tomorrow's CLOUT.

What can I say? The people here who are qualified to discuss the subject should step up to the plate. There is no satisfactory reason for missing this opportunity to address a fairly large audience.

Do you comprehend what he says there? Do you know why he is saying it? Do you know why Ron eventually did step up to the plate yet admitted (the same as you) that he is unable to debate the FDR?

If you want to discuss FDR data, why don't you contact the NTSB? I'm sure they can put you in touch with plenty of FDR analysis experts who could answer the questions you have about the data.

Move your mouse over each link below and click. Listen to the phone call recorded with the NTSB and the emails exchanged.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=904

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=6970


We also contacted the NTSB and Popular Mechanics for the show. They both refused. Since Richard wanted "opposition", i went to Ron to gather up his "anonymous experts". They refused. Instead, they hid behind their screen slinging ad homs and personal attacks all during the show. Pathetic. Ron is very disappointed in Mark and the anonymous "experts" at the govt loyalist site in that he had to step up when he doesnt have any experience because the cowards wouldnt come to bat.

You're a joke Nicepanties.. but fun to play with.

[grizz]

nicepants, you really need to do your homework. Do you really believe that Pilots has not attempted to get a response from the NTSB, and the FBI for that matter?

As far as you always asking for calculations regarding the collapses of the towers, check out the Journal of 9/11 Studies. There are plenty of papers there written by scientists that cover that subject.

I'm not going to go find links for you. Do your own homework if you wish to pretend to discuss these topics. Debate without knowledge and evidence is not debate at all. Especially, a good debater needs to know what the opposition knows.

I think maybe you're afraid. Afraid that if you dig too deeply you might see the truth. Maybe that's why you are here so much. Maybe in your heart, you know. Maybe you like to hang out here with us because you secretly know that we are right, and you have an inner desire to be on the right side.

If this is true, we will help you. It's time to admit what your real motive is here.

[rob balsamo]

Forget it guys... its clear the kid is completely unarmed. As the old saying goes, never argue with an idiot, he'll only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.


Cant believe this kid didnt even know we contacted the NTSB, FBI, and L3 Communications, the manufacturer of the FDR (which by the way is recorded on our front page and confirms further conflicts of the FDR data vs. the govt story).


Put the crack pipe down nicepanties.

[nicepants]

Mark Roberts is a whining crybaby who quote mines and cherry picks out of heated discussions on forums in attempts to discredit people because he cannot debate the facts. Troy calls 9//11 victims Families at home and harrasses them. You dont see a difference here? Why would you equate the two?

Harassment is harassment. It's inexcusable no matter who it is.

Do you condone the actions of the member of wearechange who was arrested for assaulting someone who disagreed with him? (I don't recall Troy having been arrested for assault)

You're a joke Nicepanties.. but fun to play with.

Call me what you want, but if I had actual proof of someone covering up the murder of thousands of innocent people, I would walk the walk and take it to court.

[nicepants]

nicepants, you really need to do your homework. Do you really believe that Pilots has not attempted to get a response from the NTSB, and the FBI for that matter?

If the previous attempts haven't gained results, I guess you need to keep trying.

As far as you always asking for calculations regarding the collapses of the towers, check out the Journal of 9/11 Studies. There are plenty of papers there written by scientists that cover that subject.

And there are other calculations done by other scientists which refute them.

I think maybe you're afraid.

I'm not afraid of the truth. Are you?

[dMz]

Jeebus, this is turning into one of those JoREeFer 26-page threads! I guess that's good, except damn few questions seem to get answered [esp. the numbered ones] here!!

Oh well, I'll start quoting some up-thread stuff shortly for the benefit of the "anonymous" "JoREeFer"-come-latelies...

EDIT: I see Skeptik is here- why don't you join the party, sir?

This post has been edited by dMole: May 29 2008, 02:08 PM

[nicepants]

dMole, here's another question to add:

Why is that when people say the loyalists have scientific proof to debunk our physiscs, math, etc. , we never
see that proof?

Nicepants:

Show me. Where are these calculations you type about?

Read Bazant's paper from the Journal of Engineering Mechanics here

http://web.archive.org/web/20011031095744/...news/200109wtc/