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Learning A Lot For New Lacuna Stories Site, Thanks for all the interesting work on here!

lacunastories
post Dec 23 2013, 09:14 PM
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Hi all,

I'm new to this forum, but it's been great the past couple weeks learning about all conversations and discussions going on here. I registered for the site because I'm building a research tool for investigating complex histories like 9/11, and I want to include all the resources and functionality that groups like pilotsfor911truth.org would find useful.

If you are interested in the project, which is created by my team at Stanford University and supported by MIT and UCLA, you can watch our video.

Thanks everyone,

Brian
Co-Founder of Lacuna Stories
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post Dec 23 2013, 11:28 PM
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I saw your video.
It is a bit hard for me to swallow that a piece of art or a highly redacted official document is equal to a piece of irrefutable video or radar evidence. You can stitch together a story, but you can only reflect the Truth.
We need transparency, across the board, not respect for the criminals who hide everything, and even write laws to make it "OK." You may think you are fair, in a politically correct way, but it looks like a lot of noise if 2 plus 2 equals 5 carries the same weight as 2 plus 2 equals 4.

Yes we need to learn how to think and debate effectively. I suggest we use the classic logical fallacies as a guide, rather than respecting all disinfo.
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post Dec 24 2013, 12:34 AM
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Thanks for your note, Hank.

The site is a tool, which can be used on a number of different resources, for different purposes. So someone can use the tool to look at irrefutable videos or radar evidence to make claims of what is "Truth." But if someone wanted to think about the traumatic effects of 9/11, for instance, then they may be interested in artistic or psychological representations of individual or national trauma. Both issues look at 9/11, but for different reasons, end goals, and with varying rhetorical needs.

In this way, we would like to create something that can be customized to the degree that your specific interests, Hank, can be explored alongside, in conversation with, or completely separate from other conversations on the site - whichever you find most useful for your own experience.

Thanks again for taking the time to watch the video of our project goals!

Brian

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I saw your video.
It is a bit hard for me to swallow that a piece of art or a highly redacted official document is equal to a piece of irrefutable video or radar evidence. You can stitch together a story, but you can only reflect the Truth.
We need transparency, across the board, not respect for the criminals who hide everything, and even write laws to make it "OK." You may think you are fair, in a politically correct way, but it looks like a lot of noise if 2 plus 2 equals 5 carries the same weight as 2 plus 2 equals 4.

Yes we need to learn how to think and debate effectively. I suggest we use the classic logical fallacies as a guide, rather than respecting all disinfo.
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post Dec 24 2013, 07:53 AM
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QUOTE (lacunastories @ Dec 24 2013, 12:34 AM) *
...The site is a tool, which can be used on a number of different resources, for different purposes. So someone can use the tool to look at irrefutable videos or radar evidence to make claims of what is "Truth." But if someone wanted to think about the traumatic effects of 9/11, for instance, then they may be interested in artistic or psychological representations of individual or national trauma. Both issues look at 9/11, but for different reasons, end goals, and with varying rhetorical needs.

In this way, we would like to create something that can be customized to the degree that your specific interests, Hank, can be explored alongside, in conversation with, or completely separate from other conversations on the site - whichever you find most useful for your own experience.

Thanks again for taking the time to watch the video of our project goals!

Brian


Brian,

IMHO, you launching a for profit website juxtaposed against that blatant criminal acts committed on 9-11 is not something that critical thinkers, such as are the vast majority of us truth seekers, would find appealing. I for one find the video's dialogue and intent offensive as well as easily identifiable as tripe based on the doctrines and tenets derived from Cultural Marxism; additionally, I can fully understand where those people that lost family members on 09-11-2001 would find it HIGHLY offensive as well. You see Brian, what you may not realize is the fact that it was the family members that first began the so termed Truther Movements by repeatedly asking questions the officials at the time repeatedly kept refusing to answer. It was the family members that remained stalwart about the TRUTH behind all the "what's, why's, who's and how's" with regards to 9-11.

Your attempt to launch a website over a controversial issue that is soaked and stained with the precious blood of my fellow Americans indicates to me that you have NOTHING to offer those seeking the honest and absolute truth as far as the events on 9-11; instead, you callously seek to blatantly prostitute the lives and memories of those murdered on 9-11 and do so at the expense of their family members' and other genuinely concerned Americans emotions just so you can launch a website.

In my estimation, your site's mantra, "mend the truth," makes it perfectly clear you have no other function than to use 9-11 in both a perverted self-aggrandizement as well as a way to make monetary gain for yourself. The video's entire dialogue attempts to make an appeasement with the known facts about 9-11. As for me, there is no common ground for understanding the murders of tens of thousands of people. (e.g., 09-11-2001 started with just under 3,000 murders, but since then it is well over 100,000 dead due to our government's actions based on the official cover up story concerning 9-11.)

I have no doubt that your site will appeal to a vast array of low information voters, active Fabian Socialists, and even a larger number of "useful idiots" within America.

I'll personally offer you no help with your zeal to "mend the truth" at the expense of my good conscience.


-PW



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post Dec 24 2013, 12:41 PM
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I'm sorry you feel that way PW. It's not a for profit site in any way - we want it to be free and open. And I don't think making information and resources freely available is wrong. People are free to read and explore, to have as much access and freedom to a wide array of information and resources as possible. We aren't encouraging, promoting, or sponsoring particular viewpoints, agendas, or otherwise. We are trying to make a tool not just for grappling with 9/11, but with other complex events and histories. When we read printed materials, we often underline, highlight, and annotate to critically engage with the text. We want to bring those cognitive skills to online reading of digital texts, as well as audio and video. Rather than more blind critiques, diatribes, and scornful rants, I hope we can find a respectful common space where people can explore ideas and ask initial questions without being immediately attacked. You are of course welcome to disagree with some of the project's goals, but I think you fundamentally misunderstand our free, open, and nonjudgmental approach.

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Brian,

IMHO, you launching a for profit website juxtaposed against that blatant criminal acts committed on 9-11 is not something that critical thinkers, such as are the vast majority of us truth seekers, would find appealing. I for one find the video's dialogue and intent offensive as well as easily identifiable as tripe based on the doctrines and tenets derived from Cultural Marxism; additionally, I can fully understand where those people that lost family members on 09-11-2001 would find it HIGHLY offensive as well. You see Brian, what you may not realize is the fact that it was the family members that first began the so termed Truther Movements by repeatedly asking questions the officials at the time repeatedly kept refusing to answer. It was the family members that remained stalwart about the TRUTH behind all the "what's, why's, who's and how's" with regards to 9-11.

Your attempt to launch a website over a controversial issue that is soaked and stained with the precious blood of my fellow Americans indicates to me that you have NOTHING to offer those seeking the honest and absolute truth as far as the events on 9-11; instead, you callously seek to blatantly prostitute the lives and memories of those murdered on 9-11 and do so at the expense of their family members' and other genuinely concerned Americans emotions just so you can launch a website.

In my estimation, your site's mantra, "mend the truth," makes it perfectly clear you have no other function than to use 9-11 in both a perverted self-aggrandizement as well as a way to make monetary gain for yourself. The video's entire dialogue attempts to make an appeasement with the known facts about 9-11. As for me, there is no common ground for understanding the murders of tens of thousands of people. (e.g., 09-11-2001 started with just under 3,000 murders, but since then it is well over 100,000 dead due to our government's actions based on the official cover up story concerning 9-11.)

I have no doubt that your site will appeal to a vast array of low information voters, active Fabian Socialists, and even a larger number of "useful idiots" within America.

I'll personally offer you no help with your zeal to "mend the truth" at the expense of my good conscience.


-PW



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post Dec 24 2013, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE (lacunastories @ Dec 21 2013, 11:14 PM) *
Hi all,

I'm new to this forum, but it's been great the past couple weeks learning about all conversations and discussions going on here. I registered for the site because I'm building a research tool for investigating complex histories like 9/11, and I want to include all the resources and functionality that groups like pilotsfor911truth.org would find useful.

If you are interested in the project, which is created by my team at Stanford University and supported by MIT and UCLA, you can watch our video.

Thanks everyone,

Brian
Co-Founder of Lacuna Stories


This sounds like it could be a good idea... given it is done right. So here are some questions I have in regard to what (to me) would be essential for such a service to be useful.

1. How will the site be moderated and what will be the criteria for deleting user supplied information?

2. Will it be free to users once it is up and running? If not, will there be a free try before buy version?

3. How closely associated will it be with Stanford U? Will the University be able to delete material it thinks is unfavorable to Stanford

4. One of the biggest problems I see on the internet is that those who know the least often say the most. Do you have any ways that you can help the user filter out the pearls from the garbage.

5. How will this be any different than say Wikipedia?

6. Will you have tools where you can edit and annotate videos?

7. What happens to the pledge money if you fall short of the minimum 25K?

8. Will you have on line tools to build graphical timelines.

9. Will there be a way for users to rate info and then search based on this user feedback?

10. The 911 movement has its own trusted leaders (for example those at pilots for 911 truth and CIT etc). In regard to question 9 above will ther ebe a way to weight one's trusted feedback sources higher than just the average feedback provider... say show me only links that have a Pilots for 911 truth thumbs up, etc.




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post Dec 25 2013, 06:50 AM
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Brian,

I'll be glad to address your response in its entirety, but please first advise on the statement, "mend the truth," and its intended message governing your website. After all, I've never instructed a class of English students in higher academia, just the High School level thus far, so maybe I am misreading something behind the intent of this verb-adjective-noun combination as far as your website is concerned.


Specifically, what do you mean by these words as related to the events of 09-11-2001?



Moreover, what do you mean by these words as related to other topics, facing Americans today, which might be found on your website after its launch?


Regards,

-PW
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