Chemtrails - A Breakthrough Options

[Quest]

Government Scientists Propose "Geo-Engineering" Earth's Upper Atmosphere
Research tied to increasing reports of chemtrails over past 10 years?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april...engineering.htm

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, April 10, 2008

Government scientists have been experimenting with the feasibility of bombarding the Earth's upper atmosphere with microscopic glass particles to dampen the effects of "global warming," despite warnings that the process could damage the ozone layer. Are admissions of government research into altering the earth's atmosphere tied to increasing reports of chemtrail spraying over the past 10 years?

According to documents obtained by Cybercast News Service under the Freedom of Information Act, "Scientists at the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Savannah River National Laboratory in Aiken, S.C., are conducting limited tests and developing computer models of what might happen if a huge amount of particulate matter is shot into the stratosphere."

"The particles, consisting of a very fine and special form of glass - "porous-walled glass microspheres" - would be able to absorb a certain amount of carbon dioxide, and would reflect sunlight away from the Earth," states the article.

The project, which began last year and ends on April 30, is closely tied to an idea by Nobel Prize winner Paul Crutzen, who "proposed sending aircraft 747s to dump huge quantities of sulfur particles into the far-reaches of the stratosphere to cool down the atmosphere."

[p.w.rapp]

Quest, the prisonplanet link is dead.

Are you really sure, we should consider anything, that is purported by "government scientists", let alone call it a "breakthrough" re chemtrails.
If anything this "porous-walled glass microspheres" BS is being brought up IMO to make us believe in the chemtrail and/or global warming by CO2 hoax.

But THEY know very well, that with fear THEY can kill the remaining common sense in the brains of us sceptics.

[grizz]

It's real easy to prove that chemtrails exist. All you have to do is believe your lying eyes.

Monday I rode the bus downtown. As I was waiting for it, I noticed that we had a rich blue sky with a few white puffy clouds floating around. I saw a jetliner flying over with a disappearing contrail behind it. I could see it extremely clearly. When I got off the bus less than ten minutes later there was a jet flying over leaving a persistant chemtrail, the first but not the last of the day. Within two hours the sky was no longer blue, which is what happens when those things are sprayed in the sky above us.

[grizz]

One question that chemtrail skeptics never seem to answer is why there can be both contrails and chemtrails being drawn in the sky simultaneously. I have seen this many times and even posted photos of this highly unlikely phenomenon.

Before the mid-nineties I never saw such a thing. What changed?

[p.w.rapp]

OF
when I finished typing my post it came to my mind, that this might stir up our old argument about subjective perceptions of which is 'normal up there' and which is scaring or persistent or not like it was in the mid 90's.

I am a pilot since the mid 90's and that is little compared to my experienced colleagues on this site.
I have sworn many times before, that everything you are so scared of (like 'persistent' and 'disappearing' contrails in the same sky = from jets flying on different flight levels = different temperature and dew point) is all completely normal things that pilots (who had an eye on it) have seen happen long before in exactly the same way as today UP THERE!!!

Why have the 'chemtrailers' in our poweful 'Green' parties not come up with ANY results of their numerous atmospheric measurments that point to the "chem" in the trails.
Over here they are presenting umpteen lab ananysis, i.e. when arguing about general speed limits in order to reduce emissions of all kinds. Why has noone ever presented any scientific proof of the nocuous substances (aerosols, porous-walled glass microspheres, mind changing chemicals or what the hell) that are allegedly being sprayed from 747's by the 100tons???

Please OF, my friend, let's agree to disagree on the chemtrails until this question has been answered.

[Quest]

Zap, it can argued what Chemtrails consist of or why it is being done but that they exist or not isn't even debateable. I'm in my 50's and I know the difference between a contrail and what I'm seeing now. Contrails don't linger in the sky, then grow larger and eventually block out the sun.

Check out the following links and I'd like to get some feedback.

http://www.rense.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html

[Quest]

Zap, can you honestly tell me the photos in the following link are "contrails"?

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies

[bill]

I have to agree with quest here

I have been 'fortunate' to travel a good deal

I have observed chemtrails in France although there were none observable flying over the Atlantic

We frequently have very heavy chemtrails here in the Chicago area

Another phenomenon that I never observed before the mid 90's is a persistent 'halo' effect around the sun

when the chemtrails are heavy the halo takes on an irridescent brownish effect -- much like a circular brownish rainbow

I have also seen two jets in quite close formation --certainly less that 1/2 mile -- doing formation turns while leaving chemtrails -- clearly these were military since they did not meet commercial FAA regs for separation

I have also spent 2 weeks in Taiwan recently

I never saw anything remotely resembling the chemtrails we have here in the US in Taiwan or in Tokyo (although Tokyo was only a brief 3 hour hold over)

There have been reports of relatively high concentrations of Barium in rainwater

Barium is not a normal polutant from any source that I am aware of

the existance of the phenomenon of chemtrails is not even debatable

[lunk]

It's the persistent cloud cover
left by the jet trails
dimming the sunshine,
that really gets me!

There have been many days
that would have, otherwise,
been perfectly clear here.

[grizz]

Zap, my friend, I have never made any claims concerning what is in the chemtrails. I only point out that they exist nowadays whereas they did not for the first forty years of jetliner transportation. Countless people agree on this, including just about every real life person that I know. In my town, we notice every day whether they are present or not.

As I have stated before, I am one of those rare people that looks up. I've been doing this all my life. I'm also an avid photographer. In all the photos I took prior to the mid-nineties there is not a single chemtrail. That's because I never saw one.

In your post you seem to imply that they've been there all along, but we couldn't see them. I really don't understand. Why did they suddenly become visible?

Anyway, if you don't believe in chemtrails, that's fine with me. No two people agree on everything. We know that we do agree on most of what is important.

[IdaKnow]

http://www.examiner.com/a-1251975~Pentagon...ystal_City.html

I didn't find those 'conspiracy' chemtrail sites and then decide there were chemtrails. I saw more than 40 lines, drawn in a checkerboard, by planes, across a very blue sky, in a 2 hour time period. The lines widened, grew together and the rest of the day was 'cloudy'. Now I pay attention and I see that it happens a lot. All I googled was 'lines in sky' to find a lot of answers. After reading the above article, I don't think I'd be looking to the government for honest answers.

[grizz]

I have another question. Why are the trails sometimes dotted lines? In other words, the trails start and stop and start and stop all across the sky. I have actually seen this numerous times on clear still days.

The assertion that atmospheric conditions contribute to the visibility or invisibility of chemtrails makes no sense, because I see various types of them (or not) in all kinds of weather. When I don't see them is when the jets that spray them are not flying overhead.

I live in an area with little jet traffic above, and they all go north or south. They are traveling between Portland/Seattle and San Francisco/Los Angeles and are at cruising altitude. There are no major airports west of here because that's the Pacific Ocean.

But when the chemtrails are present they are at different angles than the normal contrails, and they even cross each other, which the normal flights do not. Exactly where do all those planes that are flying at a much lower altitude than commercial jets come from?

On some days it is clear above us but we can see the trails being laid down in the eastern sky, which has no regular airliners flying through it.

Now, I agree that it would be nice if someone would fly through one of those things and get a sample of it, so we can find out for sure what they are. Why that has not happened I do not know, except that most people don't have an airplane that can fly that high.

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

[p.w.rapp]

Zap, can you honestly tell me the photos in the following link are "contrails"?

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies

Honestly, Quest - I don't see the slightest reason to think they aren't.

I capitulate on this forum.


We have gone through this more than one time and my strongest argument, that whatever is theoretically 'sprayed' in order to 'alter the minds' of the people or cause a 'sicky yellow slime' or whatnot won't reach the ground where you watch it
...will be ignored again.

All the pictures of alleged 'chem' trails I had to look at during such discussions were from jet engines operating in high altitudes (30,000 ft +)

Those high altitudes are also known as jet stream altitudes.
The air up there moves horizontally - with high speed.
Not vertically!

You know why not vertically?

Because vertical movement of air masses is the origin of CLOUDS!
Real thick clouds like Cumulus clouds.
And Cumuli expanding from near ground level to 30 - 40,000 ft are called towering cumuli or CB's = thunderstorms.


To cut the long story short:

The 'chem' - trails you are watching on the US West Coast will not even reach the East Coast, unless the air is mixed by heavy weather or thunderstorms.

If anything the 'chem' will reach groundlevel in EUROPE.


So the US Government would be f*cking stupid to have hundreds of military planes airborn to spray their chemtrails on a beautiful day, just to scare people watching the skies, well knowing, that they will poison the next continent.


Last time I wrote that, Carl from Berlin answered something to the effect that he had seen many chemtrails over Berlin as well.


Good bye,
Zap

[painter]

I'm moving this to alt theories. To my knowledge CHEM TRAILS have not been proven to even exist.

Yet another thing we can argue about indefinitely -- to what end, folks?

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

Please move it back.

It has been proven, Painter.

Please research this matter.

[Quest]

Please move it back.

It has been proven, Painter.

Please research this matter.

I totally agree. If we can't debate or discuss this topic, how can anyone learn anything wether true or not? WHy is discussing a topic seen as "argueing"?

[lunk]

Whatever they are,
trails left behind jets,
they block the sun.

imo, lunk

[Quest]

Honestly, Quest - I don't see the slightest reason to think they aren't.

I capitulate on this forum.


We have gone through this more than one time and my strongest argument, that whatever is theoretically 'sprayed' in order to 'alter the minds' of the people or cause a 'sicky yellow slime' or whatnot won't reach the ground where you watch it
...will be ignored again.

All the pictures of alleged 'chem' trails I had to look at during such discussions were from jet engines operating in high altitudes (30,000 ft +)

Those high altitudes are also known as jet stream altitudes.
The air up there moves horizontally - with high speed.
Not vertically!

You know why not vertically?

Because vertical movement of air masses is the origin of CLOUDS!
Real thick clouds like Cumulus clouds.
And Cumuli expanding from near ground level to 30 - 40,000 ft are called towering cumuli or CB's = thunderstorms.


To cut the long story short:

The 'chem' - trails you are watching on the US West Coast will not even reach the East Coast, unless the air is mixed by heavy weather or thunderstorms.

If anything the 'chem' will reach groundlevel in EUROPE.


So the US Government would be f*cking stupid to have hundreds of military planes airborn to spray their chemtrails on a beautiful day, just to scare people watching the skies, well knowing, that they will poison the next continent.


Last time I wrote that, Carl from Berlin answered something to the effect that he had seen many chemtrails over Berlin as well.


Good bye,
Zap

Zap, I don't care WHERE this activity is taking place, it is something that never occurred before. "Contrails" as you described them never got bigger and hung around for hours eventually stealing the sunlight from us. As I said earlier, I'm in my 50's and have been a skywatcher since I was a kid and what is happening now has never occurred before and certainly not to the extent it's happening.

[painter]

Zap, I don't care WHERE this activity is taking place, it is something that never occurred before. "Contrails" as you described them never got bigger and hung around for hours eventually stealing the sunlight from us. As I said earlier, I'm in my 50's and have been a skywatcher since I was a kid and what is happening now has never occurred before and certainly not to the extent it's happening.

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Anyone want to give us a time-line of jet propelled air travel? When it started, how it has grown, how many aircraft are in the air today vs 10, 20, 30, and more years ago?

As I recall, the first contrail I saw was around 1957. I grew up in the rural midwest.

How much more jet traffic is there today than then -- that is what needs to be plotted before you pull your memories out of a hat as evidence of anything.