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post Jan 31 2013, 02:15 PM
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I'm just in a discussion with someone about whether Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. He came up with the old argument - what about the body parts that were found?

I told him about the possibility of planted evidence - but has someone a link at hand with more detailed information about the body remains (and debris, too)?



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Body parts:

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=1833

As for the alleged aircraft parts Woody, I'd simply remind this person that no parts were identified.

If he points to the aircraft skin with the AA insignia, ask him/her how

1) these pieces weren't blackened or even distorted given the alleged cruise speed impact with 30gs of deceleration against a bomb proofed facade

2) how these same pieces actually made it on to the lawn, particularly north of the alleged impact zone, when the parts in question (lettering) are from the area of a fuselage between the cockpit and wings. What's the relevance? Because the fuel tanks wouldn't have struck the facade (the alleged source of the fireball) until this section had penetrated the building. A penetration (of the entire aircraft) that would have allegedly taken 0.2 seconds!

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Wish I could help Woody, but when it comes to body parts, the story of Wally Miller is helpful.

Christopher Bollyn's recent book "Solving 9-11" is helpful in finally explaining what happened at Shanksville, and body parts are a key part of the story.

Long story short, after initially letting the cat out of the bag by saying there was nothing there, Wally was persuaded by the feds to be a "team player". They set Wally up at a temporary morgue about 10 miles from the crash site, and then provided him with tissue samples, DNA samples, that supposedly "identified" the pax on 93. Wally played along.

If the feds had arrived on time at Shanksville, Wally would never have made his statements to the media about the absence of airplane wreckage there.

A tactical error by the feds ended up exposing the whole thing.

Highly likely that a similar "identification process" played out at the Pentagon, their own back yard.
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post Feb 2 2013, 09:39 AM
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Thanks to both of you! Very helpful.
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post Feb 7 2013, 05:39 AM
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QUOTE (woody @ Jan 31 2013, 01:15 PM) *
I'm just in a discussion with someone about whether Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. He came up with the old argument - what about the body parts that were found?


aside from the people working in the building, many of whom got blown to bits, or flash burned - many severely, what body parts? the gov. produced "passenger" dna allegedly discovered in the rubble, like barbara olson's which was allegedly discovered here (circled in red):



-but thats problematic to the official story, because she was supposedly in the back of the plane (per ted olson's claim); if the rear of the plane reached the c-ring hole, then a substantial chunk of the rest of the front of the plane should physically be found past this location. instead there are actually at least two accounts of people having seen what they thought was a nose cone at that location. a bit more discussion on that in these 2 posts:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10794986
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795027



dna aside, im unaware of any specific "body parts" being attributed to any specific (alleged) passengers of the plane. iirc, the only person making a direct claim about plane passengers in the rubble is Army Staff Sgt. Mark Williams, "whose search and rescue team enters the Pentagon less than four hours after the attack, recalls seeing “the scorched bodies of several airline passengers… still strapped into their seats” inside the building." (quote from historycommons.org)

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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washin...ntagon-usat.htm
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When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.


we know definitively that in at least some cases (thanks to later verification by devoted researchers), witnesses were misquoted and wether by haste or design, at least some reporters were guilty of twisting their words. since sgt. williams hasnt been contacted for verification of his actual claims, the first possibility is faulty reporting. there were bodies in office seats (examined below), and its possible williams mentioned only them but the usa today reporter took creative license to beef up his report. or maybe williams himself misunderstood what he saw, or he chose to exaggerate. but even though many others saw the damaged areas and bodies, afaik williams is the only person to make such a bold specific claim about them being passengers strapped into seats. so his account can be at least mathematically considered an anomally.

the second possibility, though highly improbable imo, the perps went through the trouble of planting some corpses in some airline seats and then placed them at the scene. afterall, we know that a few plane parts were mixed in with the debris, so the perps had access enough to plant a few spare plane parts here and there, and thus could have the opportunity to also plant bodies. but i think its much easier to plant a few inanimate objects in closets or wall / crawl spaces than it is to plant entire human bodies in airline seats. as a planner of the op, i would find it to be logistically infeasible and not worth the trouble.




victim in a seated position in the pentagon rubble - evidence of explosives and NOT jet fuel:





higher-res:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/...ion/P200045.jpg
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/...ion/P200047.jpg


-there is zero evidence of anything soaked in jet fuel, much less even a drop of it. look at how clean the one guy's shirt is where it has become untucked from his pants after death. there isnt any jetfuel or water on, around, or puddled under these victims. they died of 2 causes: the one whose outerflesh melted off, was hit at chest level by a flash/burst of explosive somewhere close by in front of him. the others on the floor, may have also been killed from that same flash/blast, but the one male whose face we cant see also had the misfortune of something falling on him. but nowhere in there do you see jetfuel, or any part of an airplane that supposedly ripped thru these unfortunate victims. imo you dont have to be a blast expert or an ntsb investigator to see it or to decipher/deconstruct it, the pic is clear of evidence of a flash explosive going off, without any ensuing fire, or these people's clothes would not be intact - or clean as is the case with the one.



though there isnt a plane crash that compares directly enough to what supposedly happened at the pentagon, if you can stomach graphic content, have a look around this site at pics/video of bodies from plane crashes - not one of them remains strapped into a seat, they are instead torn into pieces:

(WARNING: DISTURBING / GRAPHIC CONTENT)

http://www.bestgore.com/tag/airplane/page/2/
http://www.bestgore.com/road-accidents/bra...e-crash-photos/
http://www.bestgore.com/road-accidents/jen...dy-parts-video/

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lastly, for places where jet fuel MAY HAVE been found - or at least "smelled", please see this thread (about napalm):
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=17742
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post Feb 7 2013, 10:21 AM
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There's another problem with the "passenger strapped to the seat" scenario (bar the claim that people were actually allowed inside a highly unstable area that was also close to collapse and which was intermittently ablaze for 72 hours).

AFAIK aircraft seats are framed in groups of two and three.



As for the alleged victim remains accumulated at the "punchout hole" this is the earliest image (that I know of) of AE Drive after the explosion



I also had a look through those gore sites where human body parts can be seen and even the recently released images of the aftermath in Manhattan on 9/11 show flesh and blood over the sidewalk and streets hundreds of feet away from the towers. I've seen no evidence of body parts or blood at the end of the 320ft path the Pentagon aircraft allegedly took.


The area where the majority of parts were allegedly found (C Ring) was also where the ASCE Report had allegedly recorded temperatures of up to 1000°C for over an hour — cremation point. And DNA was extracted from these alleged tissues in this area?


And the claims about planting or manipulating evidence is in no way unfounded (you've hit the nail right on the head P IMO). Apologies beforehand for the copy and paste fest but I had to dig hard to find these notes!

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"Chad Stamps is a firefighter with Rescue 104 of the Arlington County Fire Department. [National Fire and Rescue, 5/2002] Along with his crew, he has been fighting fires on the second floor of the Pentagon's outer E Ring. With fires burning around him, he is astonished to see another crew walk past, carrying two packs of hose line, apparently on its way to fight fires elsewhere in the Pentagon. Describing this incident, authors Patrick Creed and Rick Newman will point out: "Firefighters are trained never to go through a fire without putting it out, since it might seal off your exit. You might as well walk into a burning room and lock the door behind you. Yet there they went." Seeing the crew passing by, Stamps thinks, "This is totally disjointed." [Creed and Newman, 2008, pp. 137] The odd behavior of this crew is perhaps notable because there is at least one reported incident of fake firefighters being caught at the Pentagon following the attack there: On September 12, three people will be arrested who are not firefighters, yet who are dressed in firefighting gear (see September 12, 2001). [Goldberg et al., 2007, pp. 170]]



September 12, 2001: People Disguised as Firefighters Arrested at Pentagon
The Defense Protective Service (DPS)--the law enforcement agency that guards the Pentagon--arrests three people at the Pentagon who are dressed in firefighting gear but are not firefighters. Further details of who these people are and why they are at the Pentagon are unstated.
[Goldberg et al., 2007, pp. 170]..



"Johnny" - Arlington firefighter Bob Gray is introduced by his colleague Bobby Beer to a man wearing a hard hat. Beer introduces the man only as "Johnny," and adds, "He's our go-between with PenRen [the Pentagon Renovation Program], and he knows some of the military guys too." Although "Johnny" is not wearing any identifying badge or ID, he seems knowledgeable, appears "taut and serious, with a purposeful military stance," and even introduces Gray and Beer to a couple of friends of his who say they work for Special Forces. Johnny says if Gray and Beer need anything from the military, he can help. As a security perimeter has now been set up around the crash site, Gray assumes Johnny must be there officially. [Creed and Newman, 2008, pp. 367-368]

Sept 14
Johnny's disappearance appears to follow an error he had made after firefighters discovered two bodies inside the Pentagon's E Ring. Johnny mistakenly called the truck used to remove bodies to the temporary morgue prematurely, before FBI agents had the chance to photograph and document the remains. Gray and Beer start to wonder if Johnny in fact had no official standing, and was an impostor]


Police Battalion HQs (503d MP Bn) from Fort Bragg, NC (and two active military police companies from Fort Stewart, GA, and Fort Bragg, NC). Active duty units remained in support of DPS beyond December 2001.
Another unanticipated problem which arose was the number of occupants who felt a need to get back into their areas to retrieve professional papers and personal effects. Some groups tried to circumvent the security officers to get back into their offices. Several people, including one general officer was taken into custody.


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/FDR_location_091607.html

The Flight Data Recorder (FDR) was found early in the morning of September 14, 2001. Government reports indicate the FDR was found at the entrance hole of the collapsed E ring. "...the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long....
They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77. “We wanted to find live victims,” says Burkhammer. But this was a consolation prize. “Finding the black box gave us a little boost,” he says.


Subsequently, FBI photographer Jennifer Hill finds the cockpit voice recorder in a stack of rubble while assisting searchers. Thirty minutes later, a National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) expert locates the flight data recorder in the same area. [Creed and Newman, 2008, pp. 396-397 and 400-402].


But Allyn Kilsheimer, a structural engineer who helps coordinate the emergency response at the Pentagon, later claims he had “found the black box,” which, he says, he had “stepped on… by accident.” [GW Magazine, 3/2002; Popular Mechanics, 3/2005].


Washington FBI agent Christopher Combs says, “Somebody almost threw [the black boxes] away because they didn’t know what they looked like.” [Disaster News Network, 10/30/2002]


The Flight Data Recorder (FDR) was found early in the morning of September 14, 2001. Government reports indicate the FDR was found at the entrance hole of the collapsed E ring. "...the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long.... Pentagon officials said the recorders, also called "black boxes" were found around 3:40 a.m. under mounds of wreckage in the collapsed part of the building.." (MSNBC Sept 28). "Dick Bridges, a spokesman for Arlington County, Va...said the recorders were found 'right where the plane came into the building.'" (PBS - Sept 14).
However, The ASCE Building Performance Report and a new book published by the Dept Of Defense claims the FDR was found at the exit hole in the C-Ring. "[FDR] found in the building near the hole in the inner C Ring wall leading to A-E Drive."
Why are there conflicts in the government story of where the FDR was found? Further, where are the pictures of the '"intact cockpit seat [and] floor" where the two black boxes appeared? Flight Data Recorders and Cockpit Voice Recorders are located in the tail of an aircraft. Not the cockpit. Where are the pictures of the "black boxes" laying in the rubble prior to being removed as is with every other aircraft accident investigation?
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post Feb 7 2013, 09:29 PM
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Do burn victims usually retain their hair? These things look like dummies they sent through a crash so crews can practice forensics investigations.

How do we know they were taken at the Pentagon?
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post Feb 7 2013, 10:10 PM
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P, is there more to that image?



The reason I ask is because one of the cadavers is numbered "83" and I don't see that number. I know that further to the south (but I can't make the numbers out in the image I found)



I'd like to know where these bodies were allegedly located.

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post Feb 8 2013, 12:16 AM
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hey slice, it comes from a flash presentation, originally presented here:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/...on/P200318.html

unfortunately the download link is dead and even the copy that used to be there was corrupt and wouldnt open (i have a copy of it and it doesnt work). im not sure what happened to the working copy i had, but after a half hour of digging online tonight, i found one you can use:

http://reopen911.info/flash/Pentagonscene.html
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Cheers P!

Edit: I'm having trouble using Flash. I'll post what I find later.

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This was a memorial service a year after the Pentagon attack at Arlington Cemetery for the "remains of the unidentified" attended by family members amd heads of state.









What's wrong with those pictures? The casket was empty.

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Debra Burlingame, sister of Charles Burlingame, the pilot of the plane that was driven into the Pentagon by terrorist hijackers, said she was confused by the report. She said she attended a ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery at which unidentified 9/11 remains were buried in an engraved casket.

“They were treated with great respect and great ceremony,” Burlingame said. “The Department of Defense was exceedingly sensitive and treated those unidentified remains with great respect. ... I would want to know more.”

The Abizaid report primarily focused on management reforms to a “dysfunctional, isolated” Dover mortuary chain of command. It cited the 9/11 matter while explaining the history of problems at Dover that came to light last year through complaints from whistle-blowers who revealed the mishandling of war remains.

The practice at Dover of cremating partial remains and sending them to a landfill began shortly after Sept. 11, 2001, the report said, “when several portions of remains from the Pentagon attack and the Shanksville, Pa., crash site could not be tested or identified.”


The terrorist-hijacked airliner that slammed into the west side of the Pentagon killed 184 people, and the plane that crashed in a field near Shanksville killed 40.

The Abizaid report said that in line with Dover’s policy, “cremated portions were then placed in sealed containers that were provided to a biomedical waste disposal” company under Air Force contract. “Per the biomedical waste contract at that time, the contractor then transported these containers and incinerated them.” The report said Dover authorities assumed that after incineration “nothing remained.”

But a Dover management “query” found that “there was some residual material following incineration and that the contractor was disposing of it in a landfill.” It added that use of the landfill was not disclosed in the waste disposal contract. “We don’t think it should have happened,” Abizaid told reporters.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/201...11_victims.html


One very real possibility is that an already corrupt, under extreme pressure (and more than likely infiltrated) forensics lab such as Dover was ordered to take some steam out of the pressure cooker by claiming a near 100% success rate in "identifying" alleged passenger remains that in all likelihood never existed. And that the honest, blue collar employees went with the "let's ease the family pain" angle with the only necessary planted items being "personal belongings" and/or charred remains beyond recognition which could very well have belonged to the Pentagon occupant victims.

Remember that it was claimed that no alleged passenger remains had been identified until after the FBI had taken over the process. Not so much a mass planting of body parts and tissue but a pass the buck manouevre in case the shit hit the fan. The "National Security" card.

Just look at those images above. Imagine making the claim that the casket was empty before the admission was made. It's all a facade.
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post Feb 8 2013, 04:58 PM
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No hijacker remains were identified even though family DNA was available.

In some cases, the actual hijacker was available.

Against Islamic law their alleged bodies were cremated and dumped into a common grave.
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post Feb 9 2013, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE (paranoia @ Feb 8 2013, 05:16 AM) *
hey slice, it comes from a flash presentation, originally presented here:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/...on/P200318.html

unfortunately the download link is dead and even the copy that used to be there was corrupt and wouldnt open (i have a copy of it and it doesnt work). im not sure what happened to the working copy i had, but after a half hour of digging online tonight, i found one you can use:

http://reopen911.info/flash/Pentagonscene.html
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I've double checked. I can't find a number 83. Can anybody else see it? unsure.gif
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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 9 2013, 03:42 PM) *
I've double checked. I can't find a number 83. Can anybody else see it? unsure.gif


I'll take that as a no...
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post Feb 13 2013, 12:43 PM
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A belated Thank you for OSS for the reports on the false firefighters! thumbsup.gif I can need it now!

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QUOTE (woody @ Feb 13 2013, 05:43 PM) *
A belated Thank you for OSS for the reports on the false firefighters! thumbsup.gif I can need it now!


You're welcome Woody. Any time. thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE (paranoia @ Feb 7 2013, 09:39 AM) *
...the second possibility, though highly improbable imo, the perps went through the trouble of
planting some corpses in some airline seats and then placed them at the scene.


But wouldn't the coroner be able to determine, that they were murdered by some other method?

Is it at all possible, that some of the victims were tricked into sitting in plane seats, in the otherwise
unused Pentagon offices; before the explosion?

I gather that some of the purported passengers, worked at The Pentagon.
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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 1 2013, 04:29 AM) *
Body parts:

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=1833

As for the alleged aircraft parts Woody, I'd simply remind this person that no parts were identified.

If he points to the aircraft skin with the AA insignia, ask him/her how

1) these pieces weren't blackened or even distorted given the alleged cruise speed impact with 30gs of deceleration against a bomb proofed facade

2) how these same pieces actually made it on to the lawn, particularly north of the alleged impact zone, when the parts in question (lettering) are from the area of a fuselage between the cockpit and wings. What's the relevance? Because the fuel tanks wouldn't have struck the facade (the alleged source of the fireball) until this section had penetrated the building. A penetration (of the entire aircraft) that would have allegedly taken 0.2 seconds!


The AA insignia is on the TAIL. The fragment edges are very distorted. Aluminum contains no carbon which is what you usually are seeing when things blacken from fire. 911myths.org has photographs of other parts of the aircraft that over 130 people saw crash at morning rush hour traffic by a highway. I would like you to verify that you read this post, please. Thanks in advance.
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QUOTE (elreb @ Feb 8 2013, 01:58 PM) *
No hijacker remains were identified even though family DNA was available.

In some cases, the actual hijacker was available.

Against Islamic law their alleged bodies were cremated and dumped into a common grave.



This is false. Remains of everyone on the plane except a 2-year old were identified. Some of the DNA was intact enough that you could tell 2 of the hijackers had the same mother: http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Hijackers_DNA_profiles
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QUOTE (paranoia @ Feb 7 2013, 02:39 AM) *
aside from the people working in the building, many of whom got blown to bits, or flash burned - many severely, what body parts? the gov. produced "passenger" dna allegedly discovered in the rubble, like barbara olson's which was allegedly discovered here (circled in red):



-but thats problematic to the official story, because she was supposedly in the back of the plane (per ted olson's claim); if the rear of the plane reached the c-ring hole, then a substantial chunk of the rest of the front of the plane should physically be found past this location. instead there are actually at least two accounts of people having seen what they thought was a nose cone at that location. a bit more discussion on that in these 2 posts:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10794986
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795027



dna aside, im unaware of any specific "body parts" being attributed to any specific (alleged) passengers of the plane. iirc, the only person making a direct claim about plane passengers in the rubble is Army Staff Sgt. Mark Williams, "whose search and rescue team enters the Pentagon less than four hours after the attack, recalls seeing “the scorched bodies of several airline passengers… still strapped into their seats” inside the building." (quote from historycommons.org)

original source and quote:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washin...ntagon-usat.htm


we know definitively that in at least some cases (thanks to later verification by devoted researchers), witnesses were misquoted and wether by haste or design, at least some reporters were guilty of twisting their words. since sgt. williams hasnt been contacted for verification of his actual claims, the first possibility is faulty reporting. there were bodies in office seats (examined below), and its possible williams mentioned only them but the usa today reporter took creative license to beef up his report. or maybe williams himself misunderstood what he saw, or he chose to exaggerate. but even though many others saw the damaged areas and bodies, afaik williams is the only person to make such a bold specific claim about them being passengers strapped into seats. so his account can be at least mathematically considered an anomally.

the second possibility, though highly improbable imo, the perps went through the trouble of planting some corpses in some airline seats and then placed them at the scene. afterall, we know that a few plane parts were mixed in with the debris, so the perps had access enough to plant a few spare plane parts here and there, and thus could have the opportunity to also plant bodies. but i think its much easier to plant a few inanimate objects in closets or wall / crawl spaces than it is to plant entire human bodies in airline seats. as a planner of the op, i would find it to be logistically infeasible and not worth the trouble.




victim in a seated position in the pentagon rubble - evidence of explosives and NOT jet fuel:





higher-res:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/...ion/P200045.jpg
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/...ion/P200047.jpg


-there is zero evidence of anything soaked in jet fuel, much less even a drop of it. look at how clean the one guy's shirt is where it has become untucked from his pants after death. there isnt any jetfuel or water on, around, or puddled under these victims. they died of 2 causes: the one whose outerflesh melted off, was hit at chest level by a flash/burst of explosive somewhere close by in front of him. the others on the floor, may have also been killed from that same flash/blast, but the one male whose face we cant see also had the misfortune of something falling on him. but nowhere in there do you see jetfuel, or any part of an airplane that supposedly ripped thru these unfortunate victims. imo you dont have to be a blast expert or an ntsb investigator to see it or to decipher/deconstruct it, the pic is clear of evidence of a flash explosive going off, without any ensuing fire, or these people's clothes would not be intact - or clean as is the case with the one.



though there isnt a plane crash that compares directly enough to what supposedly happened at the pentagon, if you can stomach graphic content, have a look around this site at pics/video of bodies from plane crashes - not one of them remains strapped into a seat, they are instead torn into pieces:

(WARNING: DISTURBING / GRAPHIC CONTENT)

http://www.bestgore.com/tag/airplane/page/2/
http://www.bestgore.com/road-accidents/bra...e-crash-photos/
http://www.bestgore.com/road-accidents/jen...dy-parts-video/

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lastly, for places where jet fuel MAY HAVE been found - or at least "smelled", please see this thread (about napalm):
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=17742


After about 10 minutes the jet fuel was burned off & the fire source was debris. & explosions of aircraft can kill by blunt trauma as well, rapidly moving air can kill if you're close enough to the explosion. So this psot is another error made by 9/11 "truth"ers.
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