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High Quality Clip - The First Plane - Wtc1, The first plane to hit WTC

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post Nov 29 2007, 01:18 PM
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http://investigate911.se/911_first_plane.html

ESPECIALLY NOTE the very well known bright flash that appears just before impact. What was that?

Download the clip HERE
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post Dec 4 2007, 07:58 AM
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this is my first post, so I hope it lands in the right spot. The link I have provided below is of the same footage minus the flashes. Which footage should I believe to be undcotored and why? Or should I disregard both? I'm tryng hard to get to the bottom of whether these planes are possible, but the evidence, as you can see, is making it realllly hard!!!! And I have no experiance with photography and video, or flying. Any ideas???

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid...earch&plindex=2

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post Dec 6 2007, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE (jo1 @ Dec 4 2007, 06:58 AM)
this is my first post, so I hope it lands in the right spot.  The link I have provided below is of the same footage minus the flashes. Which footage should I believe to be undcotored and why? Or should I disregard both? I'm tryng hard to get to the bottom of whether these planes are possible, but the evidence, as you can see, is making it realllly hard!!!! And I have no experiance with photography and video, or flying. Any ideas???

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid...earch&plindex=2

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I would say first off dont believe what others tell you, research for yourself. Second, welcome you found a great home. Third the flashes were there, if you look for the original Naudet (sp) brothers footage it is there. I would really hope you dont ever buy into the no plane theory. Even if it were true it helps nothing, it just makes the story more unbelievable. Also the fact that the no plane theory didnt really catch on until after the truth movement got huge is indicative of the fact that it is misinformation meant to confuse and misdirect. I would say if you want REAL evidence made by professionals watch the Pandora's Black Box videos made by the pilots here. They are professionals and are on the ball. Great vids. 911 Mysteries is good in my opinion as well.

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post Dec 6 2007, 07:18 PM
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Thanks for the direction. Will go and see if I can find it. I am v. curious about your opinion of the no plane theory. As far as what I see from the evidence, I don't believe passenger planes could have done that damage (esp. the wingtips through the steel in a perfect cardboard cut out shape bit), so I'd be very interested in what you think happened, or if it was the planes they said, how it's possible that they did that sort of damage. There's also talk about those particular planes not being physically able to fly at that speed at that altitude, but of course, I'm not a pilot, so I have to learn where to find this information (maybe direct from boeing or something? have been trying to find manuals, but I'm not sure this would be helpful??!)

So I am well interested in everybody's opinions of what happened with regard to the planes, and if they weren't planes, then what was it? B/c for sure something went IN!

Back to the long hard hunt for real evidence!! Thanks!


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post May 25 2008, 04:27 PM
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Video of the crash of the first plane hitting the North tower of the World Trade Center
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post Jun 10 2008, 08:55 PM
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Compare to this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxTB3B3XPEI
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post Jun 10 2008, 08:57 PM
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Or this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh_8VCiPkTE

Hey, i'd always thought Naudet Bros was the only film.
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post Jun 10 2008, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (jo1 @ Dec 10 2007, 06:18 PM) *
Thanks for the direction. Will go and see if I can find it. I am v. curious about your opinion of the no plane theory. As far as what I see from the evidence, I don't believe passenger planes could have done that damage (esp. the wingtips through the steel in a perfect cardboard cut out shape bit), so I'd be very interested in what you think happened, or if it was the planes they said, how it's possible that they did that sort of damage. There's also talk about those particular planes not being physically able to fly at that speed at that altitude, but of course, I'm not a pilot, so I have to learn where to find this information (maybe direct from boeing or something? have been trying to find manuals, but I'm not sure this would be helpful??!)

So I am well interested in everybody's opinions of what happened with regard to the planes, and if they weren't planes, then what was it? B/c for sure something went IN!

Back to the long hard hunt for real evidence!! Thanks!


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If you poke around in the Alternative Theories forum, you can find a lot of discussion about the theory that there were no planes.

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post Jun 10 2008, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (Leslie Landry @ May 25 2008, 02:27 PM) *
Video of the crash of the first plane hitting the North tower of the World Trade Center
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Hi Leslie,

I get a dead link in a new window.

I'll try the direct link from my "dead" browser window and try a direct download:

http://s.freissinet.free.fr/videos/wtc_1st.wmv

EDIT: That worked- sort of, eventually. My Windoze Media Player is broken again.
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post Jun 10 2008, 10:31 PM
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Naudet Bros. clip which appears to be the same resolution as was in Loose Change, with a "Gamma press" stamp.

I am surprised you don't have Media player classic dMole. http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli2/
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post Jan 27 2009, 12:47 AM
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Here is a NYC local news (audio only) clip said to be of the North Tower strike.

9/11 WTC Rare Video of First Plane Attack - WNYW TV



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEmAWaKoYQ
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post Jan 27 2009, 02:22 AM
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The audio does not fit the video.
The camera is on the ground and the people walking by
don't even react to the noise of the plane flying over.
If you remove the ambient background noise, (yes, I did this)
the whole episode sounds like it was done in a studio,
then added to the video.

And how did a plane crash cause the video to glitch out, simultaneous?

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post Jan 27 2009, 02:39 AM
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QUOTE (lunk @ Jan 31 2009, 12:22 AM) *
And how did a plane crash cause the video to glitch out, simultaneous?


That's a frikken good question. If you allow for the difference in the speed of sound vs. electromagnetic (light etc.) radiation, that glitch could indeed have been simultaneous with the crash.
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post Jan 27 2009, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE (Sanders @ Jan 27 2009, 06:39 AM) *
That's a frikken good question. If you allow for the difference in the speed of sound vs. electromagnetic (light etc.) radiation, that glitch could indeed have been simultaneous with the crash.

If you listen to the soundtrack there appears to be an explosion (@ 21 seconds) just before the plane hits the building(@ 24 seconds). Could the explosion have caused the video to glitch?
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QUOTE (Skeptik @ Jan 31 2009, 07:39 AM) *
If you listen to the soundtrack there appears to be an explosion (@ 21 seconds) just before the plane hits the building(@ 24 seconds). Could the explosion have caused the video to glitch?


I don't know. You can drive yourself crazy thinking about these things. All I'm saying is, the glitch happens just before you hear the (big) explosion, and if you factor in that electromatic radiation (things like light, radio waves, etc.) travel much faster than sound, the glitch COULD have happened at the same time as the explosion, i.e., it might have been caused by something connected with the plane's impact (I'm not saying what). There's not much more that you can infer. It's just a curiousity.
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post Jan 27 2009, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (Skeptik @ Jan 27 2009, 02:39 PM) *
If you listen to the soundtrack there appears to be an explosion (@ 21 seconds) just before the plane hits the building(@ 24 seconds). Could the explosion have caused the video to glitch?


IŽd second that. There are two explosions, and the video glitch and #1 are nearly simultaneous. We might take into consideration that there are reports about an explosion in the basement
of WTC 1, even some seconds before the plane hit. This could be what we hear in this clip. If this first explosion was caused by a... ehm... "device" which also spreads a kinda low
"EMP", this would explain the video glitch.

Pure speculation, though... but there are two explosions, that`s a fact.


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post Jan 27 2009, 01:49 PM
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OK,
I'm working on the premise that sound effects and voices were added to the video after it was filmed.
How could one be able to tell?

When sound is mixed in a studio to a soundtrack in a video, there is always the problem of voltage offset in the added wave form. This is usually not noticeable, and usually goes unnoticed.

Anyhow,
I took just the soundtrack from the report in the video and removed a variable offset, inverted that wave form and mixed it back with the original, thus eliminating everything, but the parts of that recording that were offset and then bringing it up to full dynamic range.
The only parts you would hear, is the parts that were offset the most, and possibly added to the video after filming.


It may be that what you "see" in this wave form, was added to the film after it was recorded.
And when listening to this sound there is a very obvious (studio?) echo, in all the voices.

I need a second opinion on this.

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post Jan 27 2009, 02:20 PM
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Although I didn't really look all that close at the video (mostly posted it here for WTC1N reference), it did look to me like one of the women (in a red jacket) was looking around confusedly for a noise source (about 0:27 IIRC). A 2nd woman just stopped walking for whatever reason briefly after that.

I wonder what the frequency spectrum of this audio (or a Fourier transform from the time domain) would tell us. Does anyone know of a good freeware (preferably open source) audio analysis software that works with video clips? Maybe Audacity?

Here is a slightly different, Fox 5 version of mostly the same clip:

September 11 First Plane Attack at WTC -- Rare WNYW TV Video



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkx_qFJuV-Q
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post Jan 27 2009, 03:39 PM
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This is the best and simplest audio editor I've ever found, fully functional, but it's shareware.
Hands on, but easy to learn and use.

http://goldwave.ca/release.php

I used this for my offset analysis.
This isn't the picture of the actual sound,
but just the sound that caused an offset,
in the original wave form.

To me it looks like these sounds were added to the original video.
They shouldn't have been there, if this was the original recording.

I think,
I need a second opinion still.

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post Jan 28 2009, 11:27 PM
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When the second voice says "trade center trade center" there is a hum as if an amp and mike were turned on and off again after he said this. The audio has been altered and voices have been added, to the original video.
You can hear this as clear as day, in the offset analysis.

btw. I removed the variable offset at .01 second intervals, if anyone wants to duplicate this.

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