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Another Amazing Coincidence Related To The Wtc, By Kevin Ryan

rob balsamo
post Jan 7 2008, 05:32 AM
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Kevin Ryan does an excellent job here connecting the dots.

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There appears to be a remarkable correlation between the floors upgraded for fireproofing in the WTC towers, in the years preceding 9/11/01, and the floors of impact, fire and failure. The fireproofing upgrades would have allowed for shutdown of the affected floors, and the exposure of the floor assemblies and the columns for a significant period of time. Exactly what work was done during that time?

In some sections of the NIST WTC report, the exact floors upgraded are listed. Other sections of the report suggest even more floors were upgraded, a total of 18 floors in WTC 1 and 13 floors in WTC 2, but the additional floors involved are not specified.[1]

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The pentagon strike just "happened" to be in a reinforced section, and now we find out the same for WTC on both towers. 3 for 3. Geee, what are the odds?
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post Jan 9 2008, 12:33 PM
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I'm good with that.

My own view is that since so many people are asking this question and since they are tax payers, it would seem possible to get answers. I think where this position gets into trouble is that there is no way to create an actual mathematical or engineering model of the WTC towers and then play with the forces which might have been involved so we can get a recreation.

This is true for several reasons.

The first is the complexity of doing the calculations on a computer, gathering actual data, etc.. In all the papers I've looked at the math is very simplified even if it involves the integral calculus as compared to the actual event. Two papers I've read one by Bazant and one by Greg Urich have awfully simplified models for the events for just this reason.

The other way to do it is to create a scale model of WTC and figure out some way to mimic the forces on it directly. This is very tricky to do because things don't scale linearly. So, you can't have, say, 110 floors 1 inch apart and "cut one out" because there's no where near that correct gravitational energy involved. So, you'd have to make the steel and concrete much much weaker.

We can't use any real forensic techniques at this late date. We don't really have samples you can trust and we don't have any video which shows what's inside that smoke and debris and concrete getting pulverized. What did the fire actually burn? How much oxygen was actually available?

I'm not an engineer just to be clear, but I've been involved from time to time with creating models and I know it gets really complex really fast. So, I'm afraid that even calling for a "reinvestigation" and getting one will fall short of assuaging the concerns of those who think there were "explosives" in the buildings (or cutter charges).
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- rob balsamo   Another Amazing Coincidence Related To The Wtc   Jan 7 2008, 05:32 AM
- - georgie101   What an unbelievably strange coincidence! You ...   Jan 7 2008, 07:59 AM
- - SPreston   QUOTE (1999-2000 WTC Tower Construction Upgra...   Jan 7 2008, 11:29 AM
- - jo56   Very interesting! Good find!   Jan 7 2008, 10:42 PM
- - rossgs   To the last poster re the NIST report. You should ...   Jan 7 2008, 11:57 PM
- - SPreston   Yes I know. The collapse initiation was contrived ...   Jan 8 2008, 11:50 AM
- - rossgs   "In its recent reply to family members Bill D...   Jan 8 2008, 12:22 PM
- - KP50   QUOTE (rossgs @ Jan 9 2008, 05:22 AM)"In...   Jan 8 2008, 04:28 PM
- - rossgs   I'm good with that. My own view is that sinc...   Jan 9 2008, 12:33 PM
- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4826764420...   Jan 9 2008, 05:00 PM
- - KP50   I first saw this film a couple of weeks ago and ha...   Jan 9 2008, 07:12 PM
- - rossgs   You must have sent the wrong video as there isnt ...   Jan 9 2008, 07:13 PM
- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   QUOTE (KP50 @ Jan 9 2008, 06:12 PM)I first sa...   Jan 9 2008, 09:34 PM
- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   QUOTE (rossgs @ Jan 9 2008, 06:13 PM)You must...   Jan 9 2008, 09:40 PM
- - KP50   QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Jan 10 2008, ...   Jan 9 2008, 10:33 PM
- - SPreston   QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Jan 9 2008, 0...   Jan 9 2008, 11:35 PM
- - dMole   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 7 2008, 02:32 AM)The...   Jan 15 2008, 02:31 AM
|- - newton   QUOTE (dMole @ Jan 15 2008, 01:31 AM) Doe...   Mar 11 2008, 04:13 PM
- - paranoia   regarding smoke plumes at the base of the wtc...   Jan 15 2008, 08:23 AM
- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   QUOTE (paranoia @ Jan 15 2008, 07:23 AM)regar...   Jan 15 2008, 10:29 AM
- - Philadelphia   The video does not 'clearly show' a many f...   Jan 15 2008, 01:37 PM
|- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   QUOTE (Philadelphia @ Jan 13 2008, 03:37 ...   Mar 15 2008, 10:00 AM
- - georgie101   Philadelphia, you got anything to back up your cla...   Jan 15 2008, 01:48 PM
- - Philadelphia   QUOTE (georgie101 @ Jan 15 2008, 12:48 PM)Phi...   Jan 15 2008, 02:09 PM
- - amazed!   Well that speculation thing works both ways. Diff...   Jan 19 2008, 10:55 AM
- - newton   the smoke coming from the top is easily explained ...   Mar 11 2008, 04:19 PM
- - morninscott   This is something i'd noticed quite a while ag...   Apr 11 2008, 05:19 AM


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