Kucinich Asks For Recount In Nh., BradBlog story of recount request Options

[maturin42]

Kucinich asks for New Hampshire recount in the interest of election integrity
DETROIT, MI – Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich, the most outspoken advocate in the Presidential field and in Congress for election integrity, paper-ballot elections, and campaign finance reform, has sent a letter to the New Hampshire Secretary of State asking for a recount of Tuesday’s election because of “unexplained disparities between hand-counted ballots and machine-counted ballots.”
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He added, “Ever since the 2000 election – and even before – the American people have been losing faith in the belief that their votes were actually counted. This recount isn’t about who won 39% of 36% or even 1%. It’s about establishing whether 100% of the voters had 100% of their votes counted exactly the way they cast them.”

Kucinich, who drew about 1.4% of the New Hampshire Democratic primary vote, wrote, “This is not about my candidacy or any other individual candidacy. It is about the integrity of the election process.” No other Democratic candidate, he noted, has stepped forward to question or pursue the claims being made.

“New Hampshire is in the unique position to address – and, if so determined, rectify – these issues before they escalate into a massive, nationwide suspicion of the process by which Americans elect their President. Based on the controversies surrounding the Presidential elections in 2004 and 2000, New Hampshire is in a prime position to investigate possible irregularities and to issue findings for the benefit of the entire nation,” Kucinich wrote in his letter.

“Without an official recount, the voters of New Hampshire and the rest of the nation will never know whether there are flaws in our electoral system that need to be identified and addressed at this relatively early point in the Presidential nominating process,” said Kucinich

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[albertchampion]

statutorily, i think that dennis has no standing.

the only individual who could provoke a recount is ron paul.

and ron won't be doing that.

principally because ron paul ain't the guy you think him to be.

another version of mike huckabee.

[Timothy Osman]

Well on a religious note at least Ron and Mike don't have the magic underpants thing happening. As far as I know. B)

[bill]

"principally because ron paul ain't the guy you think him to be."


Albert:

you keep throwing out these vague comments about Ron Paul

but you never back them with anything



is this just your opinion or do you have solid information that backs your vague accusations ?

[tumetuestumefais...]

and ron won't be doing that.
principally because ron paul ain't the guy you think him to be.
another version of mike huckabee.

Ron Paul could have a good reason not to call for a recount - it could be a trap:
http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/bo...1954/71260.html

[bill]

Kucinich Stepping Into
Trap With Recount?
BlackBoxVoting.org
1-11-8

The election integrity community is abuzz with news that candidate Dennis Kucinich will ask for a recount in New Hampshire, and Ron Paul fans have been pushing him to recount as well. Careful.

NEW HAMPSHIRE ELECTION INTEGRITY ADVOCATE NANCY TOBI IS CORRECT:

"We have no control over the ballot chain of custody and we have learned the pain from the 2004 Nader recount, in which only 11 districts were counted, chosen by a highly questionable person, and then nothing showed up. Now all we hear is how the Nader recount validated the machines."

As Tobi says, "A candidate asking for a recount may well be a tool used to 'prove' everything was okay and then that candidate will be further discredited."

I'll go further than that. The only way a recount makes any sense at all in New Hampshire is AFTER an assessment is made of the chain of custody issues. If the chain of custody isn't intact the recount won't be worth a cup of warm spit.

TOBI:

"This is high stakes.

"You do not walk into a battle ground not knowing where the snipers are, just because you were invited. Strategically, going into something like this where you have NO CONTROL is foolishness.

"And I say this as one of the strongest recount proponents of former times. Things I have come to learn and understand have changed my mind. The recount is someone else's game, not ours.

"In the recount, we have no control, and we have already lost 48 long hours of ballot chain of custody oversight.

"We need citizen control and oversight. This is not going to come from the recount. If the election was rigged...don't you think the riggers would have a backup Plan B for a rigged recount, knowing how easy it is to get a recount in NH?

No. It is time to take control. "

BLACK BOX VOTING:

The following is excerpted from our New Hampshire election protection information published in November 2007:

quote: Knowing that the greatest opportunities for election fraud are with insiders, this tells us something about what to examine first. If you are a person with inside access in New Hampshire, because any candidate can ask to recount any location, if you plan to manipulate the election you'll want to make sure you can achieve ballot substitution, ballot removal, or ballot stuffing. You need a strategy just in case someone asks for a hand count.

WHAT'S THE POINT OF A RECOUNT IF THE CANDIDATE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW...

1) The name of all companies that print ballots for New Hampshire elections... http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/bo...1954/71260.html


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http://www.dailypaul.com/node/23705/node/24446
Scottsdale AZ Straw Poll 80% for Ron Paul!! Votes were almost stolen!!

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/24446

[Wingmaster05]

"principally because ron paul ain't the guy you think him to be."


Albert:

you keep throwing out these vague comments about Ron Paul

but you never back them with anything



is this just your opinion or do you have solid information that backs your vague accusations ?

Bill, I think he comes from the camp that the entire new libertarian movement started with von Mises and its big namer Friedman as a ploy to sucker people in with the lure of freedom, all so the big corporations could run willy nilly over the planet. Since Paul is a fervent supporter of this camp, it is apparent that Ron Paul is, knowingly or unknowingly (they would argue he is in the know), working against the people and putting more power into the true purveyors of evil in this world.

Maybe he will respond, I would personally like to see some ties that he has which are suspect. Huckabee's CFR appearance is tough to beat.

[painter]

FYI:

Source:
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dl...1/NEWS19&sfad=1

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Gardner: Recount to go forward for both parties' primaries

By Associated Press

January 11, 2008 4:32 PM

CONCORD — State officials say they will conduct a hand recount of Tuesday's Democratic and Republican presidential primaries at the request of two minor candidates.

Ohio Democrat Rep. Dennis Kucinich, who received less than 2 percent of the vote, and Republican Albert Howard of Michigan, who received about 44 votes statewide, are expected to pay a $2,000 fee to start the process, state officials said.

"Mr. Howard has satisfied the requirements for initiating a statewide recount of the Republican Primary," Secretary of State William Gardner said in a statement. Officials said they expected a check from Kucinich to arrive late Friday, satisfying his requirements for the request.

Gardner is preparing an estimate of the recount's cost, which the requesting candidates must pay before it will begin. He said he expects to start the recount Jan. 16, and will announce further details once the payments have been received.

Under state law, if a candidate finished more than 3 percentage points behind the winner, the candidate must pay the cost of a recount. The cost is refunded if the recount finds the requester won or finished within 1 percentage point of the winner.

The last time New Hampshire did a statewide recount of the results of the presidential primary was in 1980.

Kucinich sent a letter to Gardner Thursday requesting the recount, citing "serious and credible reports, allegations and rumors" about the integrity of the primary results.

[maturin42]

Thanks, Painter, for at least posting something coherent with factual material.

It will be interesting to see if there is any integrity in the recount process in NH.

Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%

Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

These number seem odd.

[painter]

Not quite sure how to take that comment.

As for the rest of it . . .

there is no integrity in the whole US political process. None, zero, zilch.

We're being played like a deck of cards.

[grizz]

Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%

Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

They reversed the results. Completely blatant. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/nonono.gif)

[amazed!]

It seems the notion of Liberty would include the right to operate a business and be a capitalist, if one so chooses.

While it is true that some men abuse business and are greedy, some do not and are not.

Liberty covers alot of ground.

[André]

Liberty covers alot of ground.

but it does stop when the freedom and rights of other people are infringed upon.

[dv8]

Kucinich is calling for a re-count to validate the electronic black box vote count, not challenging or disagreeing with the results. What he is requesting is more than fair and should be seen as proper by all sides not a form of a trap. I only wonder how accurate and who would be in charge of a recount and under which criteria is a recount done by.

[amazed!]

Andre

Yes, but who gets to be the judge?

[André]

Andre

Yes, but who gets to be the judge?

In theory we should be the judges, we are social beings and we live by written and unwritten rules, we wait in lines because to do differently would be chaotic and unfair.

Fundamental rights such as free speech should be protected of course, but how we choose to live together is our collective choice through the democratic process, unfortunately that process is being eroded away by an economic system that favors the accumulation of wealth of a minority over everything else.

[amazed!]

Most humans like to accumulate wealth. Some are driven that way, for others it's kinda part time, but most folks like to do that, even in the poorest of societies.

Ultimately it is decided by the two people in the transaction: buying and selling. If they have a disagreement, that's where the law comes in.