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Explosion And Flashes In North Tower, Can anyone add to this thread?

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post Jan 22 2008, 05:07 PM
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This came up on another thread but I thought it deserved its own space. Watch this video :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCAoJuDw2Ic

No idea where it came from but it is very interesting.

Now look at this photo



and either compare it to the video or to these 2 stills from the video



it appears to be the very same event captured from a slightly different angle.

The photo is from this page which has quite a few interesting images.

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/index.shtm

So it looks like there was at least one unexplained explosive event captured on video and still film that day. Can anyone add anything to this?
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post Jan 23 2008, 06:59 AM
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My thoughts on the first picture (Aman Zafar) is that it is a smoke trail, perhaps from something falling.
The video is interesting, that flashy streak on the side of the building. No idea what it is, and haven't seen it before.
Aman Zafar has taken some interesting pictures. This caught my attention,



Is that, or is that not, the core in the first picture.
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post Jan 23 2008, 09:27 PM
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Hi Georgie,

Well it looks solid and appears to have a round top - and 50-60 stories high.

Going back to my first post do you think the smoke trail from the still photo matches the location of the explosion in the video? The smoke trail looks like a match. I was trying to use it as corrobation of the video recording a real event.

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post May 21 2008, 03:34 AM
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Sandia National Labratories developed a spray on, Light Initiated High Explosive. The explosive is applied to the surface like paint or fireproofing and is set off by means of high intensity light source. It is not science fiction or super secret government black op. By 2000 about 30 floors of the WTC had been upgraded with fireproofing. Floors 77-78 and floors 92-100 of WTC 1 also 88-89, 92, 96-97 of WTC 2 (from NIST report)
http://www.fas.org/man/eprint/lhef.pdf
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post May 21 2008, 05:41 AM
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QUOTE (Ricochet @ May 21 2008, 01:34 AM) *
Sandia National Labratories developed a spray on, Light Initiated High Explosive. The explosive is applied to the surface like paint or fireproofing and is set off by means of high intensity light source.

Hmmmm....
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post May 21 2008, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE (dMole @ May 21 2008, 02:41 AM) *
Hmmmm....

There was a fireproofing upgrade in the 90's. What better time to add a little something to the mix? No one would question what you were up to. Here is the NIST report on the upgrade.
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2.1.3.1 Passive Protection

In WTC 1, structural elements up to the 39th floor were originally protected from fire with a spray applied product containing asbestos (Nicholson, et al. 1980). These asbestos-containing materials were later abated inside the building, either through encapsulation or replacement. On all other floors and throughout WTC 2, a spray-applied, asbestos-free mineral fiber material was used. Each element of the steel floor trusses was protected with spray-applied material. The specific material used was a low-density, factory-mixed product consisting of manufactured inorganic fibers, proprietary cement-type binders, and other additives in low concentrations to promote wetting, set, and dust control. Air setting, hydraulic setting, and ceramic setting binders were added in varying quantities and combinations or singly at the site, depending on the particular application and weather conditions. Finally, water was added at the nozzle of the spray gun as the material was sprayed onto the member to be protected. The average thickness of spray-applied fire proofing on the trusses was 3/4 inch. In the mid-1990s, a decision was made to upgrade the fire protection by applying additional material onto the trusses so as to increase fire proofing thickness to 1-1/2 inches. The fire proofing upgrade was applied to individual floors as they became vacant. By September 11, 2001, a total of 31 stories had been upgraded, including the entire impact zone in WTC 1 (floors 94-98), but only the 78th floor in the impact zone in WTC 2 (floors 78-84).

Spandrels and girders were specified to have sufficient protection to achieve a 3-hour rating. Except for the interior face of perimeter columns between spandrels, which were protected with a plaster material, spray applied materials similar to those used on the floor systems were used. The thickness of protection on spandrels and girders varied, with the more massive steel column sections receiving reduced fire proofing thickness relative to the thinner elements.

The primary vertical compartmentation was provided by the floor slabs that were cast flush against the spandrel beams at the exterior wall, providing separation between floors at the building perimeter. After a fire in 1975 vertical penetrations for cabling and plumbing were sealed with fire-resistant material. At stair and elevator shafts, separation was provided by a wall system constructed of metal studs and two layers of 5/8- inch thick gypsum board on the exterior and one layer of 5/8-inch thick gypsum board on the interior. These assemblies provided a 2-hour rating. Horizontal compartmentation varied throughout the complex. Some separating walls ran from slab to slab, while others extended only up to the suspended ceiling. A report by the New York Board of Fire Underwriters (NYBFU) titled One World Trade Center Fire, February 13, 1975 (NYBFU 1975) presents a detailed discussion of the compartmentation features of the building at that time.
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post May 21 2008, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE (Ricochet @ May 21 2008, 01:34 AM) *
Sandia National Labratories developed a spray on, Light Initiated High Explosive. The explosive is applied to the surface like paint or fireproofing and is set off by means of high intensity light source. It is not science fiction or super secret government black op.

Hi Rico,

Do you mean something like this perhaps?

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/abl/

Nope, not science fiction, nor "super secret", and the WTC Towers did have a few windows IIRC...
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post May 22 2008, 03:07 AM
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Take the time to read through this pdf.
http://www.fas.org/man/eprint/lhef.pdf

The explosive can be applied and then set off at a later time by a flash of light. similar to a flashbulb from a camera omly UV. The power down on the weekend before 9/11 would have been the time to set the flash (light initiated) charges. Like stringing christmas lights. I have not been a speculator on what might have been, but this makes a lot of sense to me.
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post May 22 2008, 06:45 AM
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Just how exactly was that "explosive mix" applied? did the NWO infiltrate the unions for 20 years in advance so that they could have all their secret operatives on this project?

Did the NWO infiltrate the manufacturer so that they could substitue this mix in the fireproofing plant?

Did the NWO infiltrate the testing labs that certified the installed fireproofing?

Did they subvert the PA architects and engineers into looking the other way when it was applied?
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post May 22 2008, 06:46 AM
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How could they guarantee that the explosive wouldn't be acidently set off before 9/11?
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post May 22 2008, 06:49 AM
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By thier very nature, explosives are inherantly unstable over time. The classic example is old dynamite sweating out nitroglycerin.

How do you know that this explosive paint would remain stable over a couple of years?
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post May 22 2008, 09:35 AM
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post May 27 2008, 04:42 PM
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Here is another video of what appears to be Bombs in the north tower.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SAtWdpHa4wY

This is also a video that will verify the first video (note: 7:29)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYUgdkTJtDg...feature=related

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post May 28 2008, 01:19 PM
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I found a few interesting, if technical WTC1 North Tower videos (thanks to forthetrees' post in WTC7 area).

David S. Chandler is a member of AE911truth.org and produced these great videos.

4-Ton Girders: Blowing in the Wind?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKLOlIhang

Race With Gravity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXSHm3CdHf4

High Speed Ejection from WTC1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah2hTMOlD5s

Another High Speed Ejection from WTC1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djwBCEmHrSE

High Speed Ejection from WTC1--Further Analysis [horizontal and vertical analysis]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9YjireIPCQ

David Chandler's website:
http://www.911speakout.org/

Thank you very much David, Richard, and AE911truth.org!
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post Sep 16 2008, 08:01 PM
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Xenomorpth on you tube has some excellent videos of flashes ,check out the nbc south tower collapse.dr john heaths amateur video slowed down ,i will post the links tonight sorry im at work
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post Sep 17 2008, 03:02 AM
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ok heres some links

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i06Aetq0K78

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=913Am7ZScVM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa7PN-8T2VY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJsq_mu9sus
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post Sep 17 2008, 07:17 AM
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QUOTE (subedei @ Sep 17 2008, 07:02 PM) *


Thanks subedei, those bright flashes are pretty common in many of the films.
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post Sep 17 2008, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE (KP50 @ Sep 17 2008, 12:17 PM) *
Thanks subedei, those bright flashes are pretty common in many of the films.

Unfortunately those links appear to be out of commission to me. Any other links?
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post Sep 17 2008, 05:38 PM
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just try searching flashes under you tube you should find many videos of interest.
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