Question about structural beams, and columns ;) |

Nov 2 2006, 11:48 AM
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parky76sock Group: Troll Posts: 152 Joined: 27-October 06 Member No.: 173 |
the structural beams of the wtc and all buildings are designed to be able to hold up the weight of all the beams above them.
at the wtc towers, after the planes hit, many of the beams were severed. this puts a lot more of the weight of the building on the undamaged beams. question 1: how many beams MUST stay intact for the buildings to stay up? question 2: if the section of the towers above the impact does collapse due to the beams in the damaged section nolonger being able to carry the above weight, can the beams below the damaged section literally catch the fall of the collapsing section and keep the building up? i took physics many years ago but im sure their is an equation to figure out the weight or kinetic energy of a mass after it falls several feet. if the section above the plane damage did indeed collapse, the undamaged section below it would have had to be able to hold up all the weight above it multiplied by its velocity...i assume. considering this, is it logical to expect the undamaged floors to be able to hold this weight? is there any precident for this? |
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May 22 2008, 10:10 PM
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Group: Student Forum Pilot Posts: 42 Joined: 21-May 08 Member No.: 3,397 |
So how did the steel melt without loosing all its strength first?
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May 23 2008, 01:11 PM
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So how did the steel melt without loosing all its strength first? I haven't read this whole thread (just the last few posts actually), so forgive me if I'm not on the same page .... but there almost certainly wasn't any melting of any steel that day. Steven Jones' research and the evidence he has presented all point to the use of Thermite to cut columns (or, specifically Thermate). Steel beams sticking up out of the rubble with 45 degree cuts slobbered with slag, or bright orange lava-like stuff pouring out of the side of the building in that video clip does (less than) nothing to disuade me from agreeing with his conclusion of course (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . But that stuff ain't steel - it's molten Iron. Molten iron and aluminum oxide (emmited as a cloud of whitish-grey dust) are the two main by-products (along with extreme heat) of the Thermite/Thermate chemical reaction. |
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May 23 2008, 01:50 PM
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I haven't read this whole thread (just the last few posts actually), so forgive me if I'm not on the same page .... but there almost certainly wasn't any melting of any steel that day. Steven Jones' research and the evidence he has presented all point to the use of Thermite to cut columns (or, specifically Thermate). Steel beams sticking up out of the rubble with 45 degree cuts slobbered with slag, or bright orange lava-like stuff pouring out of the side of the building in that video clip does (less than) nothing to disuade me from agreeing with his conclusion of course (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . But that stuff ain't steel - it's molten Iron. Molten iron and aluminum oxide (emmited as a cloud of whitish-grey dust) are the two main by-products (along with extreme heat) of the Thermite/Thermate chemical reaction. lol Well, dito...i have only read your post to be quite honest..i want wanted to write this before i forgot. OK..so, i need to get what you are saying more clearly...and if i say it wrong..please correct me. Are you saying that it was determind by Alex Jones that it was not a C.D. and infact, the Molten Metal found was from taking down the rest of the building?? |
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forester Question about structural beams Nov 2 2006, 11:48 AM
NJcpaTOM QUOTE (forester @ Nov 2 2006, 03:48 PM)the st... Nov 4 2006, 04:27 AM
waterdancer These are questions NIST should have answered alre... Nov 4 2006, 04:50 AM
dMole QUOTE (waterdancer @ Nov 4 2006, 02:50 AM... May 23 2008, 04:09 AM
dMole Related info can be found at:
http://pilotsfor911... Apr 29 2008, 08:01 PM
Roark There were only structural beams in the core area.... May 22 2008, 06:54 AM
dMole QUOTE (Roark @ May 22 2008, 04:54 AM) The... May 22 2008, 07:59 AM
dMole QUOTE (Roark @ May 22 2008, 04:54 AM) The... May 22 2008, 09:16 AM
Roark QUOTE (dMole @ May 22 2008, 08:16 AM) Umm... May 22 2008, 07:58 PM
dMole QUOTE (Roark @ May 22 2008, 05:58 PM) Wel... May 23 2008, 01:51 AM
dMole QUOTE (Roark @ May 22 2008, 05:58 PM) (an... May 23 2008, 02:26 AM
dMole QUOTE (Roark @ May 22 2008, 05:58 PM) No,... May 23 2008, 08:05 AM
Roark Are you the local grammar Nazi?
Who’s debating? ... May 22 2008, 08:40 AM
dMole QUOTE (Roark @ May 22 2008, 06:40 AM) Are... May 22 2008, 09:06 AM
albertchampion let me just say this about "melting" ste... May 22 2008, 08:25 PM
Leslie Landry QUOTE (Leslie Landry @ May 23 2008, 01:50... May 27 2008, 10:30 PM
Sanders QUOTE (Leslie Landry @ May 31 2008, 09:30... Jun 2 2008, 06:50 PM
Leslie Landry QUOTE (Sanders @ Jun 2 2008, 06:50 PM) So... Oct 1 2008, 04:17 PM
albertchampion YOU ARE A SILLY TWIT.
wtc1,2,6,7 were blown up. May 22 2008, 10:42 PM
Sanders QUOTE Columns are vertical, beams are horizontal.
... May 23 2008, 01:15 PM
dMole I wonder what Roark would call this thing?
http... May 23 2008, 01:36 PM
Leslie Landry well it seems to me that i didnt really miss too m... May 23 2008, 02:04 PM
dMole Yes Leslie,
Except one side of the debate is:
... May 23 2008, 05:39 PM
Leslie Landry QUOTE (dMole @ May 23 2008, 04:39 PM) Yes... May 27 2008, 11:17 AM
dMole QUOTE (Leslie Landry @ May 27 2008, 09:17... May 27 2008, 10:49 PM
Leslie Landry QUOTE (dMole @ May 27 2008, 09:49 PM) Hi ... May 30 2008, 11:33 PM
dMole This is already listed (as the 3rd of my "rel... May 25 2008, 01:05 PM
dMole Hunt the Buckling:
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Anduril According to NIST, the maximum observable temperat... May 26 2008, 09:32 AM
dMole QUOTE (Anduril @ May 26 2008, 07:32 AM) A... Jul 12 2008, 03:32 PM
dMole Hi Tony,
You might want to look at the FEA video ... May 26 2008, 04:29 PM
Anduril QUOTE (dMole @ May 26 2008, 08:29 PM) Hi ... Jun 2 2008, 05:21 PM
dMole Re: "steel loses half its strengh" claim... May 28 2008, 11:49 AM
dMole Hello Tony,
Perhaps I should clarify- I merely po... Jun 2 2008, 06:09 PM
dMole There is a lot of sourced information at jakeogh... Jul 17 2008, 05:01 PM
dMole WTC steel is covered in:
http://wtc.nist.gov/NIST... Jul 18 2008, 12:37 AM
dMole I found something interesting in the spreadsheet d... Jul 26 2008, 11:17 PM
dMole A few steel links:
http://www.victorysteelsupply.... Aug 23 2008, 07:06 PM
dMole Some links on WTC1 & 2 Perimeter Columns:
FEM... Aug 23 2008, 08:00 PM
dMole Given the above information about Perimeter Flange... Aug 23 2008, 10:27 PM
dMole Have you got the 40% [perimeter only IIRC] severed... Oct 3 2008, 12:44 PM
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rob balsamo QUOTE (icarus88 @ Aug 11 2011, 04:20 PM) ... Aug 12 2011, 07:56 AM
SanderO The towers were not stiff enough.... able to act l... Aug 13 2011, 11:18 AM
amazed! Yada, yada, yada..... Aug 13 2011, 10:18 PM
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