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9/11 Aircraft 'black Box' Serial Numbers Mysteriously Absent, -- Aidan Monaghan

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post Feb 27 2008, 03:46 AM
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July 13, 2013 - mod edit: Please note the date this article was written and posted. Many of the links to the NTSB website are broken due to the restructuring of NTSB.gov a few years ago. If you wish to find a specific document at the NTSB website, instructions are included below in Post #5

Aidan Monaghan posted the below on 9/11Blogger here:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/14081

I was hoping he would post it on this forum as well but since he hasn't, thought I'd bring it over:

Aidan Monaghan

Of all major U.S. airline crashes within the U.S. investigated and published by the National Transportation Safety Board during the past 20 years, the 9/11 'black boxes' are virtually the only ones without listed serial numbers.

NTSB American Airlines flight 77 flight data recorder report, not noting a device serial number:

http://www.911myths.com/AAL77_fdr.pdf

NTSB United Airlines flight 93 flight data recorder report, not noting a device serial number:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf

The United States government alleges that 4 registered Boeing commercial passenger aircraft were used in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, yet has failed to produce any physical evidence collected from the 3 9/11 crash scenes positively tied to these federally registered United and American airlines aircraft. Despite the release of abundant information regarding the 9/11 flights and the aircraft reportedly used, specific information that would confirm official allegations regarding the identity of these aircraft has been mysteriously withheld or denied upon request.

The federally registered aircraft reportedly used during the 9/11 attacks:

- American Airlines flight 11 (N334AA), United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA), American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA) and United Airlines flight 93 (N591UA).

With flight data recorder serial number data that is virtually always provided within NTSB reports of major U.S. commercial airline crashes that occur within U.S. territory, one can trace an installed device to a particular registered aircraft through manufacturer or Federal Aviation Administration records.

The following e-mail was provided by a Susan Stevenson of the NTSB on 12/26/2007, in response to a 12/16/2007 public correspondence e-mail inquiry:

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

A 11/26/2007 Freedom of Information Act request of the Federal Aviation Administration for the last known serial numbers of the flight data recorders and other components contained by the aircraft said to have been used during the 9/11 attacks, was unlawfully denied.

Background:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/13149

A 1/3/2008 e-mail reply from a Loren Cochran, a FOIA specialist with the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, regarding the FAA FOIA denial reads as follows:

"It is unusual and unlawful for them to not cite an exemption. ď[W]e are not in a position to release the said records at this time,Ē certainly isnít an exemption any where in the Freedom of Information Act, and I canít think of any case law that supports that answer either."

The RCFP site:

http://www.rcfp.org/

Because of the criminal nature of the 9/11 attacks, the FBI became the lead investigative agency into the 9/11 aircraft mishaps, along with the requested aid of the NTSB. It is possible that the FBI seized FAA 9/11 aircraft records containing component serial number data for aircraft
identification purposes and that the FAA no longer possesses them.

http://www.ntsb.gov/news/2001/010913.htm

By document labeled "Testimony of Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board before the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation United States Senate", it is indicated that the NTSB assisted the FBI with the process of "aircraft parts identification" regarding the said aircraft.

http://www.ntsb.gov/Speeches/blakey/mcb020625.htm

Flight data recorder information provided by the NTSB, for all major U.S. commercial passenger aircraft crashes within U.S. territory, involving major aircraft and/or loss of life, since 1988, with noted FDR serial numbers:

Comair Flight 5191, August 27, 2006, CRJ-100, 49 Dead, Fairchild Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Number: 102368
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2007/AAR0705.pdf

Chalk's Ocean Airways Flight 101, December 19, 2005, Grumman G-73, 20 Dead (Not equipped with a FDR)

http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR07-04.pdf

Corporate Airlines Flight 5966, October 19, 2004, HP Jetstream, 13 Dead, Fairchild Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Number: 00511

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2006/AAR0601.pdf

Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701, October 14, 2004, CL-600-2B19, 2 Dead, Fairchild Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Model: 01094

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2007/AAR0701.pdf

US Airways Express Flight 5481, January 8, 2003, Beechcraft 1900, 21 Dead, Fairchild Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Number: 01110

http://www.ntsb.gov/events/2003/AM5481/docket/255651.pdf

American Airlines Flight 587, November 12, 2001, Airbus 300, 260 Dead, Fairchild Model FA-2100 FDR, Serial Number: 1186

http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/2001/AA587/exhibits/241509.pdf

Alaska Airlines Flight 261, January 31, 2000, Boeing MD-83, 88 Dead, Sundstrand Model FDR, Serial Number: 9182

http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/2000/Aka261/docket/117973.pdf

American Airlines Flight 1420, June 1, 1999, McDonnell Douglas MD-82, 11 Dead, L3 Model FA-2100 FDR, Serial Number: 00718

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2001/AAR0102.pdf

COMAIR Flight 3272, January 9, 1997, Empresa Brasileira de Aeronautica, 29 Dead, Loral Fairchild Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Number: 997

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1998/AAR9804_body.pdf

TWA Flight 800, July 17, 1996, Boeing 747, 230 Dead, Sundstrand Model FDR, Serial Number: 10291

http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAR0003.pdf

Valu Jet Flight 592, May 11, 1996, McDonnell Douglas DC-9, 110 Dead, Loral Fairchild Model F-800 FDR, Serial Number: 6132

http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/1997/AAR9706.pdf

Atlantic Southeast Airlines Flight 529, August 21, 1995, EMB-120RT, 8 Dead, Fairchild Digital Model F-800 FDR, Serial Number: 04856

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1996/AAR9606.pdf

American Eagle Flight 4184, October 31, 1994, ATR 72, 68 Dead, Loral/Fairchild Model F-800 FDR, Serial Number: 4838

http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/1996/aar9601.pdf

US Air Flight 427, September 8, 1994, Boeing 737-300, 133 Dead, Loral/Fairchild Data Systems Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Number: 442

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1999/AAR9901.pdf

US Air Flight 1016, July 2, 1994, McDonnell Douglas DC-9, 37 Dead, Fairchild S-703 FDR, Serial Number: 00880

http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR95-03.pdf

US Air Flight 405, March 22, 1992, Fokker F-28, 27 Dead, Fairchild F-800 FDR, Serial Number: 154

http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR93-02.pdf

Atlantic Southeast Airlines Flight 2311, April 5, 1991, Embraer EMB 120, 23 Dead, (Not equipped with a FDR)

http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR92-03.pdf

United Airlines Flight 585, March 3, 1991, Boeing 737, 25 Dead, Fairchild Model F-800 FDR, Serial Number: 4016

http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR92-06.pdf

US Air Flight 1493, February 1, 1991, Boeing 737, 22 Dead, Sundstrand Model FWUS FDR, Serial Number: 692

http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR91-08.pdf

United Airlines Flight 232, July 19, 1989, McDonnell Douglas DC 10, 111 Dead, Sundstrand Model 573 FDR, Serial Number: 2159

http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR90-06.pdf

Delta Air Lines Flight 1141, August 31, 1988, Boeing 727, 14 Dead, Lockheed Model 109-D, FDR, Serial Number: 654

http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR89-04.pdf

The only other instance of undocumented FDR serial numbers following a major U.S. commercial aircraft crash within U.S. territory during this 20 year period, seems to be a little known mishap that oddly, occurred on September 11, 1991, exactly 10 years before the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. This report also did not list a FDR manufacturer or model number, possibly because the accident was immediately determined to be the result of negligence on the part of aircraft maintenance personnel.

Continental Express Flight 2574, September 11, 1991, EMB 120, 14 Dead, FDR Manufacturer, Model & Serial Number Not Available.
http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR92-04.pdf

NTSB Major Airline Crash Reports Of Last 10 Years:

http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/A_Acc1.htm

NTSB Major Airline Crash Reports Prior To Past 10 Years:

http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/A_Acc2.htm

Notable Crashes Of Commercial Aircraft:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notab...ercial_aircraft
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Thank you painter, Aidan does/is doing great work trying to track down part numbers. I have to get an article up regarding this...
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is it possible that no one of the link to the official NTSB site is working anymore?
it always says....where is my chees?

are the documents too old and therefor deleted/taken off from the NTSB Site?
I certanly dont wanna believe that the owner of this post copied dead links in here intentionally.

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post Jul 12 2013, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE (vienna @ Jul 12 2013, 07:43 AM) *
is it possible that no one of the link to the official NTSB site is working anymore?
it always says....where is my chees?

are the documents too old and therefor deleted/taken off from the NTSB Site?
I certanly dont wanna believe that the owner of this post copied dead links in here intentionally.


Welcome to 9/11 truth and the scumbags who cover it up!

The post was made 5 years ago. NTSB is the only one capable of "intentionally" cutting off those links.
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post Jul 13 2013, 09:23 AM
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All of the records are still on the NTSB website. The NTSB restructured their website a few years ago and many links were broken (on purpose? who knows...)

If you wish to find a document, just google the flight with the pdf extension.

For example...

Comair Flight 5191, August 27, 2006, CRJ-100, 49 Dead, Fairchild Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Number: 102368

The original link is broken...
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2007/AAR0705.pdf

Google keywords - Comair 5191 NTSB AAR0705.pdf

Click

it was moved to here... (and it was my first hit using the google keywords above)
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2007/AAR0705.pdf

Now that you have the base url....
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/

....you can substitute for many of the other NTSB docs with the same base url replacement (I already fixed many of them in the OP).

Second example...

Corporate Airlines Flight 5966, October 19, 2004, HP Jetstream, 13 Dead, Fairchild Model F-1000 FDR, Serial Number: 00511

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2006/AAR0601.pdf - original link broken

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2006/AAR0601.pdf - link works


and so on...


Keep in mind all serial numbers for all parts on an airplane are kept/written in the maintenance logs specific to an airplane/tail number and stamped on several components of the FDR. In fact many of the components of the FDR itself have their own serial numbers too, such as "the pig" (Crash Protected Memory Unit). All these records are kept at the airline itself in aircraft logs. There is no reason the serial numbers should be missing.

Also keep in mind that none of the wreckage recovered was positively identified via part/serial numbers to any of the alleged aircraft of the 9/11 events.

More here...

F.B.I. Counsel: No Attempt Made By F.B.I., To Identify 9/11 Plane Wreckage
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=11408

and here...

Fbi Refuses To Confirm Identities, Of 4 Aircraft Used During 9/11 Attacks
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9417


I have also updated the OP to include note regarding the broken links and a link to these instructions, and fixed some of the links.
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