History & Propaganda Options

[albertchampion]

first, i care to emphasize that anyone who gets an audience to discuss any of the anomalies of the events of 11/09/01 focus only on that topic. no individual should allow himself/herself to be led astray to discuss any other issue. it takes discipline to be a forceful, persuasive advocate for any proposition[particularly one that contests the liegelords' version of history]. regrettably, most individuals furnished their five minutes of fame are vain and arrogant: become carried away with their fleeting grasp of the golden kazoo.

having rendered that observation, i would like to render a few more.

i like to consider history to be the study of the past, the analysis of the present, and the extrapolation of those understandings for what may become the future. i don't know if toynbee or spengler would completely agree, but i know that elliot perkins allowed me to get away with that proposition when he approved my thesis topic concerning robert mcnamara and the tfx[f111] contract award in 1968.

what i encountered in my research was a very overt, rigorous conspiracy to hide the truth of that aircraft contract award and the subsequent development of the aircraft. as some of you may recall, at the time, that contract award was the largest ever weapons system procurement. additionally, it was the subject of a multi-year investigation by the senate government operations committee. for all practical purposes the investigation was vivified during the jfk presidency, then virtually disappeared after the jfk assassination. john mcclellan[d-ark] was the committee chairman.

by 1968, it was quite clear to me that the mcnamara policy of aircraft "commonality" had become the bust that i always thought it would be. as a subscriber to aviation week and space technology, however, i continued to be astonished at how that trade journal seemed to be covering up the reality of the project, to be functioning as a usg press agent.

when i received permission to submit a thesis on this topic, which was denied by all lower levels of the history department, i started by ordering the transcripts of the hearing testimony from the usg printing office. oddly, not all the hearings were available.

so, i went up to the library at littauer. they had all the public hearings bound. and reading them, i found it quite interesting that the hearing transcripts that one could not acquire from the usg printing office were those hearings where experts directly, with evidence, contradicted mcnamara's dod. hmmmmm. was the usg involved in a conspiracy to hide the truth about this contract award, this aircraft from the electorate?

one aspect of these hearing transcripts that i found educational was to learn that when the testimony crossed into certain areas, the public hearing would be adjourned, and the senators and the witness would go into "executive"[secret] sessions. up until that time, i had never read that there were "secret" hearings conducted concerning the public business. in my view, that was prima facie evidence that there were conspiracies within the government to hide salient facts from the public.

oddly enough, one of my roommates at the time had returned from his tour in the nam. his dad was a law partner of j w fulbright[ the other arkansas senator]. through his intercession, i was allowed access to executive session testimony. well, that was very educational.

surely, the aviation week & space technology staffers were as aware of that testimony as i had become aware of it. but, they never reported it. no, awst preferred to report mcnamara's "good news" without contradiction, without any analysis as to the falsity of the dod's press releases.

how far did the usg go to transmute the real history of the tfx[f111] contract award?
and was it a conspiratorial effort? i sure think so.

sometime coincidental to the submission of my thesis, a book was published under the auspices of the harvard center for international affairs on the tfx contract award. the book was devoted to contesting every fact that i had learned, every conclusion that i was driven to by the executive session testimony. it was a work of exquisite press agentry[aka propaganda].

the publication of this book was a singular event. never before had the harvard center for international affairs[hcia] published a work that had nothing to do with international affairs. and i don't think that it has ever done so since then.

the author of the book was an individual by the name of robert j art. reading his book, knowing what i knew[and seeing the future of the aircraft], i concluded that robert j art was an "outfit" stooge. and that the harvard center for international affairs was an "outfit" cover operation.

i lost track of robert j art. probably because i failed to become an academic and became a manufacturer.

because i retain my affection for the study of history, i try to keep up with my readings into the activities of the secret state. some years ago, i encountered a book entitled, POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS AND MILITARY CHANGE: LESSONS FROM PERIPHERAL WARS. written by a Deborah D. Avant. published by Cornell Studies in Security Affairs. and my, my one of the principals of this Cornell group was robert j art. i am forced to conclude that cornell gave its imprimatur to a "spookish" operation.

cornell's involvement in "hosting" secret fascist cells deserves comment. it should never be forgotten that it was cornell that nurtured, harbored paul wolfowitz.

just as it was new york state's other ivy league university, columbia, that nurtured, harbored zbig brezinski.

and all of this might make you ponder the role of that family that controls ny - the rockefellers.

well enough concerning that matter, but briefly, i want to do a brief bit on the holocaust...

several years ago, ed black wrote an astounding book entitled IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST. in detail, he recounted how it was ibm, knowingly, that enabled the hitler regime to conduct its war on its opponents, its enemies. by and large, the book was ignored. odd don't you think?

and then there is the issue of DACHAU. when i was living in a midwestern city where jews were as wealthy as the goy, in the '50's - '60's, the image promoted of Dachau was a KZ incarcerating jews, then gassing and cremating them.

i think it was 1978, KZ DACHAU had been restored and opened as a museum. i think i was one of its first visitors. i shall never forget the day.

until that visit, all i had been told in a significantly jewish community was that it was only jews that were incarcerated. only jews that were victims of hitler's reich.

what i learned that day was that was a lie. Dachau was opened within a month after AH was appointed reichskancellor. the initial detainees were catholics from oberbayern. all rounded up by the former munchen chief of police, heinrich himmler. there were never any gas chambers at Dachau. nor any large scale crematoria.

though jews did become incarcerated at dachau, for at least its first six years of operation, the principal inmates were not jews. those incarcerated were just opponents of the nazis[as the red cross excused the incarcerations, those incarcerated were socialists, communists, anti-fascists].

i leave it with you this way, the record of the past can be a tough nut to crack. and to crack it, an open mind is required. i have found over the years that few have that open mind.

sometimes i even question my objectivity. well, there is so much more that i could say. but who would want to hear it.

sic semper tyrannis.

[Westgate]

Albert - An excellent posting, thank you. I just wanted to add a postscript to the F-111 fiasco. Here in the UK we had just developed the TSR2, at that time easily the most advanced aircraft in the world. Our then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, had led his Labour government into a huge budget deficit. The British government went cap in hand to the IMF to borrow money. The IMF stated that no loan could be arranged unless the TSR2 was cancelled and the RAF leased F-111s, then just going into production. To their perpetual shame, the UK government agreed to cancel TSR2 and took the loan. The cancellation of this fabulous aircraft led to the complete demise of the British aircraft industry, it never recovered from this blow. The RAF never did lease F-111s, we instead became partners in the Panavia project with Germany & Italy and jointly developed and produced the Tornado, which was/is jack of all trades and master of none.

McNamara and his cohorts had ensured that the USA aviation industry would no longer feel threatened by the TSR2.

You have done an excellent piece of research and I agree totally with the valuable lessons to be learned from history.

I have also seen so many forums where the key point raised in a posting, often a vital piece of well researched evidence, is rendered almost superflous under a stream of totally irrelevent and inane responses. There are some very clever & spooky people visiting forums - nuff said!

Thanks mate

[amazed!]

Good posts, Albert and Westgate. I too have been a regular subscriber to AW & ST for many years. I don't quite remember the F-111 incident you describe here, but there is no question the magazine is about as close a journal on the public workings of the Military Industrial Complex that one can find.

It is the private workings, as Albert mentions, that are more interesting.

Ike warned us, but we were too distracted to do anything. The reign of the Bush regime demonstrates that Ike's worst fears have become reality. The MIC utterly controls the government.

[albertchampion]

thnx for your kind comments.

now, i think it is the time to tell you more of the TFX[F111] story. most of it undiscussed. as i have long said to anyone who would listen, anyone who doubts the existence, persistence of conspiracies either is a disinformation agent or is not alive in the world.

one of the most remarkable aspects of the TFX story is how none of the dod principals have ever discussed it in their memoirs. consider, at the time it was the largest weapon system procurement contract award ever. more importantly, the aircraft was going to incorporate, for the first time ever, the most contradictory objectives: it was going to be an air superiority fighter bomber for the USAF and it was going to be an air superiority fighter bomber for the USN[i.e., carrier capable]. oh, and it was going to incorporate a totally new and unproven technology: variable wing geometry.

robert mcnamara has never discussed this program since his resignation as secdef. and neither have any of his whiz kid deputies. why would they want to bury the history of this aircraft?

well, here might be a few reasons.

the aircraft could never get light enough to operate from a carrier. after mcnamara's resignation, the usn abandoned the aircraft.

the usaf continued with it, but it was so heavy that it could not make its goals as a fighter bomber - it had no range, no manueverability. it was a ruptured duck as an aircraft. eventually, the usaf bought only a few. as a consequence, that bird became the most expensive bird ever acquired.

how many wings were acquired? i think no more than 5. based at nellis. eventually, it was redesignated a recon aircraft. and it was assigned to udorn in thailand to conduct surveillance of the ho chi minh trail and north vietnam.

a very interesting aspect of the aircraft was a ground effects autopilot supplied by litton industries. it was a system that was intended to cruise control this bird at flank speed within inches of the terrain. at nellis, it could be programmed to fly at 50ft agl. and it would do that. and when encountering hils, mtns it would respond successfully. because as a rule, the increasing elevation was somewhat gradual.

you know, the peoples republic of vietnam subscribed to aviation week & space technology. they knew about the F111's cruise control system. and they monitored its activities flying out of udorn very carefully. they kept a log. and they noticed that the planes departed like clockwork. and they always flew the same routes.

within weeks, the nva had this aircraft sussed. using a stop watch, the nva put up a wall of chaff in front of the F111's. the ground effect cruise control saw that and put the plane into a sudden vertical climb. tore the wings right out of the variable geometry wing roots. within weeks, the F111's were removed from seasia.

when i was studying this contract award, the mystery was why was general dynamics granted the contract? after all, it was boeing who had done all the work in variable wing geometry over years. and it was the award of this contract to gd that propelled senator mcclellan to investigate the award. had jfk not been assassinated, i think that the investigation would have continued.

i have learned so much more about the power of the mob. seems that there was this chicagoan by the name of henry crown, a creation of the mob, who became a funds manager for the mob. one of his major investments for the mob[in its goal of money laundering] was general dynamics. but in 1958-59, general dynamics, attempting to compete in the realm of commercial aviation, took the largest financial bath in the history of american industry. the convair 880, 990 lost out to boeing and its 707. and sustained a loss of close to $1,000,000,000.

henry crown was in big trouble. his clients wanted to recoup their money.

suffice it to say, the TFX contract award was delivered to general dynamics so as to make the mob whole. and the rest of the story is that the entirety of that contract's admininstration was to siphon taxpayer dollars to the mob.

to close, war/defense spending is the hallmark of keynesian economic theory. there is no better mechanism for looting the treasury than using the propaganda device known as "PATRIOTISM".

[amazed!]

Funny story about the chaff. I guess it's a good thing it climbed instead of descended, eh?

And the Australians bought some and operated them up until just recently.

Didya read about the F-22s first foray to Japan?

[painter]

Great posts, albert! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/handsdown.gif)

[Sanders]

Ditto - excellent.

[Westgate]

Albert - Just another tail-piece concerning the F-111. They equipped three squadrons of the Fighter Wing at RAF (USAF) Lakenheath, Suffolk, UK. They were used for the raid on Libya, stayed at Lakenheath for a few years and were then replaced by the F-15C & F-15E which are still there today. The United States Government leases both Lakenheath and Mildenhall air bases from the UK Government. The US leases many other sites throughout the UK also. Because the two airbases are leased from the UK, they have to have an official RAF presence, typically a Squadron Leader & small staff, so they are officially 'RAF Lakenheath and Mildenhall'. But the terms of the lease enables the USAF to do what they like within the confines of the perimeters - the UK does not interfere with whatever type of flights come in and out or the cargo they may be carrying. Every airbase in the UK is closely monitored by 'plane spotters' who collect tail numbers of aircraft, it's a British/Dutch thing - not common in other countries so much. Thus these remarkably well informed 'spotters' soon recognise unusual comings and goings - like rendition flights for example. They have logged many such flights apparently. Perhaps the aircraft in question are going to become a rendition flight, or may be returning from such a flight, or may actually be a rendition flight - who knows?

Great posts Albert - most disturbing of course - but excellent reading, many thanks.

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[Sanders]

Excellent reading, AC, wow (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

[Omega892R09]

...several years ago, ed black wrote an astounding book entitled IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST. in detail, he recounted how it was ibm, knowingly, that enabled the hitler regime to conduct its war on its opponents, its enemies. by and large, the book was ignored. odd don't you think?

I have a copy purchased in 2001 the year of publication. That is Edwin Black BTW and the book ‘IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America’s Most Powerful Corporation’ was published by Little Brown and under ISBN 0-316-85769-6. The operation in Germany, and later France and The Low Countries was conducted by Dehomag, but with help from its one time parent IBM which continued to supply the essential punch cards or the material and machinery patterns to make same, as well as control the money flow.

See:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/IBM-Holocaust-Edwi...k/dp/0316857696

for synopsis and reviews.

The description of the French operation in the above cited book leads on to matters discussed in two other books ‘Verdict on Vichy: Power and Prejudice in the Vichy France Regime’ by Michael Curtis and ‘France: The Dark Years, 1940-1944’ by Julian Jackson for details of these, and a not so favourable review of the first cited see:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Verdict-Vichy-Prej...e/dp/0297842242

I think it fair to say Mitterand took many a dark secret to the grave.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. I sense another kindred spirit. I also often question my own objectivity and having taken on board the truism that history tends to be written by the victors now cringe at the Boy’s Own paper type of historical analysis of Britain’s Empire building.

By the same token I think it fair to take a jaundiced view of some of the historical narrative which surrounds the US independence story and the motives behind that rebellion.

[Omega892R09]

Our then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, had led his Labour government into a huge budget deficit. The British government went cap in hand to the IMF to borrow money. The IMF stated that no loan could be arranged unless the TSR2 was cancelled and the RAF leased F-111s, then just going into production. To their perpetual shame, the UK government agreed to cancel TSR2 and took the loan. The cancellation of this fabulous aircraft led to the complete demise of the British aircraft industry, it never recovered from this blow. The RAF never did lease F-111s, we instead became partners in the Panavia project with Germany & Italy and jointly developed and produced the Tornado, which was/is jack of all trades and master of none.

I think that if you take a look at the state of the British Exchequer when Wilson became Prime Minister then you will find that his predecessor Harold ‘You have never had it so good’ Macmillan had set the rot in beforehand.

Certainly it is to the Macmillan years that we can attribute the first political interferences that were to dog TSR2 throughout its short life as a project. Indeed Macmillan’s regime had a baleful influence on the British Aircraft Industry throughout. It was down to their bowing to political, and economic, pressure from the USA that led to the cancellation of many a promising British aerospace project and the rather odd policy to state that the days of the manned military fighter aircraft were over and air defence was to be the province of missiles.

Thus such promising projects as the Sauders-Roe P177 mixed gas turbine and rocket propulsion fighter were cancelled (this was compounded by the German Luftwaffe being ‘persuaded’ to opt for the Lockheed Starfighter – and the astonishing loss rate they sustained) and the Fairey Delta 2 success never resulting in any valid military successor. The French Mirage family, of very similar form, was an overseas sales success.

McNamara and his cohorts had ensured that the USA aviation industry would no longer feel threatened by the TSR2.

Well WRT the TSR2 I was as dismayed and astonished as any at the time, there was also the P1154 supersonic VSTOL jet, the AW short-field STOVOL transport and last but by no means least the cancellation of CVA-01 and CVA-02 which had such an impact on my future career – and before I had completed the 5 year apprenticeship training. I recall this period with some clarity having been under a technical aviation apprenticeship training in the RN’s FAA at the time and taking, on my limited pay, journals such as Flying Review (I started with this one long before I left school), Flying Review International (I recall superb articles with respect to gas-turbine, ram-jet, rocket and hybrid technology engines WRT high speed sustained – as for an SST – flight at the time) and Flight, with Air Pictorial for a while.

However was the TSR2 going to be as useful as promised? I have it on good authority that it could have been a ‘clunker’ to use terminology familiar to anybody who has come across anything to do with the USN test center at Patuxent River.

One of our FAA and Empire Test pilots flew the very similarly configured Vigilante at high speed and low level and experienced terrific high frequency lateral oscillations due to the cockpit being well forward in a slab sided fuselage with intakes to far aft to thicken the cross-section and with a long moment arm from the control surfaces. Prolonged, or repeated exposure, to these oscillations was almost certain to cause permanent eye damage to the crew. Commander R.M. Mike Crosley DSC*, RN in his book ‘Up in Harm’s Way: Flying With the Fleet Air Arm’ put in his Pax’ River report on return to UK suggested that future TSR2 pilots fly the Vigilante at high speed and low level to discover what they could be in for. According to Crosley no mention of this ‘gust response’ problem affecting the TSR2 was ever made although on TSR2’s second test flight the aircrew reported ‘sever airframe vibration causing the human eyeball to topple’.

This post has been edited by Omega892R09: Mar 9 2008, 02:01 PM

[Nunyabiz]

""there were never any gas chambers at Dachau. nor any large scale crematoria. "'

Dachau Gas Chambers


Well there were "gas chambers" though mostly used for "delousing"

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau/

But whether or not murdered by starvation, a bullet or gas, does it seriously make any difference?

[painter]

Albert,

Just want to thank you for all the information in this thread -- and the perspective.

There is so much that we think we know but are taking 'on faith', more or less. The whole 9/11 conundrum makes a lot more sense once one begins to grasp that being lied to by government (and other 'authority' figures) is more the norm than the exception. We live in a social 'reality bubble' that is constructed of all the flotsam and jetsam of information we've come across in our life-times.

But your foremost point is a good one. When speaking of 9/11 it is probably best to not bring into the matter all sorts of other questions. There is a strategic reason for this > Current US and domestic foreign policy is being driven by a certain contrived perception about 9/11. Crack that nut and it calls into question the whole "War on Terror" and "Homeland Security" abuses of power -- and brings us to a far more real and disturbing view of current events. I, for one, advocate a REAL war on terror -- which would begin with an investigation into what we do and do not know about 9/11. That is very quickly going to lead into the vipers nest of the (call it whatever you want) relationships between government, media, intelligence and counter-intelligence and the use of false-flag terror to drive domestic and foreign agendas. It reveals, at the very least, that "We the People," are, in point of fact, NOT in control of our government -- and that perception alone is quite revolutionary for most.

What invariably seems to emerge is the question, "Well, if this is true, what can/are we going to do about it?" People want someone to give them an answer. My answer is simple -- ENFORCE THE LAWS WE HAVE. That we are unable to do this is very telling about our real situation.

All the rest of if is quite secondary in my mind.