Zeitgeist Addendum [ II ], The Revolution Is Now Options

[THE_DECIDER]

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/




This post has been edited by THE_DECIDER: Mar 20 2008, 02:04 PM

[Carl Bank]

reminder:

ZEITGEIST Addendum will be premiere thursday, oct. 2nd and will be available online friday, oct.3:

(IMG:http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/zII-announce-2.jpg)

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

[Sanders]

Good timing for this B)

[beatles64]

I can't wait....this looks good, thanks for the post!

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

[Carl Bank]

I want to see the web statistics of the Zeitgeist site today -

It's October 3rd, 5:25 pm EST and when I try to get there I
get a black screen with some picture frames that won't load the contend.
But mostly I get this:

Service Temporarily Unavailable
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.zeitgeistmovie.com Port 80

[painter]

I want to see the web statistics of the Zeitgeist site today -

It's October 3rd, 5:25 pm EST and when I try to get there I
get a black screen with some picture frames that won't load the contend.
But mostly I get this:

me 2

[lunk]

Good news, I think:

ZEITGEIST: ADDENDUM IS IN THE PROCESS OF
UPLOADING. IT IS TAKING LONGER THAN WE
EXPECTED. PLEASE HOLD TIGHT.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

[Carl Bank]

update:

ZEITGEIST: ADDENDUM IS IN THE PROCESS OF
UPLOADING. IT IS TAKING LONGER THAN WE
EXPECTED. PLEASE HOLD TIGHT.

EDIT: cross-posted with lunk. He won.

This post has been edited by Carl Bank: Oct 3 2008, 08:20 PM

[lunk]

It's up there now!

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

(source):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

[Sanders]

Thanx, Carl & lunk! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Watching ...

[Carl Bank]

Zeitgeist: Addendum - 123 Min. - 03.10.2008



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

[Sanders]

Wow, not quite what I expected. Very thought provoking.

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the utopian resource-based society idea, but it certainly got my neurons firing.

I like it very much. The timing of this release is unbelievably synchronistic. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[André]

Even better than the first one! and I agree with all that is put forward, but I find the solutions of the specific actions we can take lacking, and I don't see how politics at least in some form can be absent from this evolution we seek towards a better world, still this is a great film, a must see. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

[painter]

Thanx, Carl & lunk! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

Watching ...

Me too. That wonderful man speaking at about the 3 minute mark is Krishnamurti, one of the most influential people in my life. Krishnamurti's life story has to be one of the most bizarre of any human to have ever lived. In brief, while he was still a child in India in the early 1900s, he was 'identified' by Theosophists, Besant and Leadbeater, as the embodiment of the new "World Teacher" -- essentially a "christ figure" who would lead the Theosophists into the creation of a New Age religion/philosophy based on "esoteric" (not legitimate IMO, thus the quotes) Theosophical principals. In 1911 Besant and her colleagues founded the Order of the Star in the East (OSE), with Krishnamurti to be its spiritual head. Before and during this time he was taken into Theosophical circles and educated (and some say, sexually molested) for several years before he and his brother, Nitya, whom he loved, were shipped off to England and France to be further educated and schooled. It was during this time (his late teens early twenties) that he was introduced into European aristocratic circles. Krishnamurti began his teaching and leadership role during this time and was given passage around the world. In Ojai, California, he had an experience which changed him utterly and fundamentally. About this experience afterward he said, "Love in all its glory has intoxicated my heart; my heart can never be closed. I have drunk at the fountain of Joy and eternal Beauty. I am God-intoxicated."

This profound experience, plus the death of his brother, Nitya, in 1925 fundamentally changed Krisnamurti's relationship to Theosophy and the OSE. In 1929 he broke openly with this organization and disbanded the formal order of some 50,000 adherents, saying, "I maintain that the truth is a pathless land and you cannot approach it by any path what-so-ever, by any religion, by any sect." He officially resigned from the Theosophical Society in 1930.

Interestingly, however, this was not the end of Krishnamurti's teaching. From that time until his death at the age of 91 in 1986, he continued to travel around the world many times over, giving talks and engaging in conversations with people, many of which have been recorded in books. His basic teaching is that a revolution in consciousness is needed BUT that this revolution can not come about through 'thought' or 'striving' or anything already established in the mind. Essentially, his teaching was that no one can tell you 'how' to bring about this radical, inner, transformation:

Krishnamurti's teaching is non-dogmatic, centered on his own spiritual experiences and oriented to the particular needs and capacities of his listeners. He regarded life as a voyage of self-discovery in which self-doubt, uncertainty, and self-criticism are inextricably related to inward spiritual transformation. The human problem begins with the "I-process" - an insatiable self-generating and all-consuming greed that is manifest not only in personal selfishness and in the social and historical instances of man's brutality to man but also in conventional morality filled with expediency, self-satisfaction, and subtle self-pride: "He who says he loves does not love." Fear and anxiety, obsession with security, self-assertion, and aggression (the "appearance" of courage) are all forms of frantic self-affirmation. This includes the delusion of the immortality of the soul, which is a particularly egregious projection of the "I" alarmed by annihilation.

Krishnamurti believed spiritual maturity and enlightenment come only with a radical breakthrough to deeper levels of man's psychic resources which then obliterate the debased superficialities of the ego state. This takes the form of a direct intuition and an inner transformation. It is not the result of simple moral striving but of critical self-reflection, doubt, and final enlightenment and self-knowledge, complete and therapeutic. This, in turn, leads to the integration of the human personality, freedom, and love in pure, selfless compassion.

Source: http://www.answers.com/topic/jiddu-krishnamurti NOTE: Where the author above says, "He regarded life as a voyage of self-discovery in which self-doubt, uncertainty, and self-criticism are inextricably related to inward spiritual transformation," I would change the wording to: "a voyage of self-discovery, in which self-observation, questioning, and self-awareness are inextricably related. . ." To me "uncertainty" can easily be associated with "insecurity" and "fear" not to mention "self-doubt" and "self-criticism" are usually agents of acculturation (programming), which is the opposite of what Krishnamurti is pointing toward. It's all about non-judemental self-awareness.

Personally, it was through coming into contact with and reading some of these recorded talks and conversations as a teenager that (along with my psychedelic experiences of the 1960s) began to clarify in me certain 'understandings' -- such as: "social reality is not a 'fixed given' but is a construct, something we, individually and collectively, create within ourselves and the world around us and, as such, it can be deconstructed and reconstructed within and around us as well."

Although a "Krishnamurti Foundation" was created around him with the task of recording his words and arranging his constant travel and speaking engagements, Krishnamurti himself remained fairly detached from it and its operations. He lived simply supported by one or two wealthy patrons and donations, spoke to untold thousands of people world-wide and died a relatively unknown figure (outside certain circles).

Here is part of a typical Krisnmurti talk:

If I am all the time measuring myself against you, struggling to be like you, then I am denying what I am myself. Therefore I am creating an illusion. When I have understood that comparison in any form leads only to greater illusion and greater misery, just as when I analyze myself, add to my knowledge of myself bit by bit, or identify myself with something outside myself, whether it be the State, a saviour or an ideology -- when I see all this I put it completely away. Then my mind is no longer seeking. It is very important to understand this. Then my mind is no longer groping, searching, questioning. This does not mean that my mind is satisfied with things as they are, but such a mind has no illusion. Such a mind can then move in a totally different dimension. The dimension in which we usually live, the life of every day which is pain, pleasure and fear, has conditioned the mind, limited the nature of the mind, and when that pain, pleasure and fear have gone (which does not mean that you no longer have joy; joy is something entirely different from pleasure) -- then the mind functions in a different dimension in which there is no conflict, no sense of 'otherness'.

Verbally we can go only so far; what lies beyond cannot be put into words because the word is not the thing. Up to now we can describe, explain, but no words or explanations can open the door. What will open the door is daily awareness and attention -- awareness of how we speak, what we say, how we walk, what we think. It is like cleaning a room and keeping it in order. Keeping the room in order is important in one sense but totally unimportant in another. There must be order in the room but order will not open the door or the window. What will open the door is not your volition or desire. You cannot possibly invite the other. All that you can do is to keep the room in order, which is to be virtuous for itself, not for what it will bring. To be sane, rational, orderly. Then perhaps, if you are lucky, the window will open and the breeze will come in. Or it may not. It depends on the state of your mind. And that state of mind can be understood only by yourself, by watching it and never trying to shape it, never taking sides, never opposing, never agreeing, never justifying, never condemning, never judging -- which means watching it without any choice. And out of this choiceless awareness perhaps the door will open and you will know what that dimension is in which there is no conflict and no time.

Krishnamurti, Freedom From the Known, pp 32, 33.

[p.w.rapp]

I've just finished watching this 'milarium' for the 2nd time.

Can't help it.

I'm afraid that the utopian society without religions, nations, races, obligations etc as painted by the film, would require a spiritual and intellectual level that is far beyond the everage brainwashed and re-educated 'homo sapiens' of 2008.

Before such vision and the solutions suggested therein have a remote chance of materialization, 90% of mankind would have to be dumped,

probably including:Zap



Zeitgeist Addendum topics merged and pinned.

[lunk]

Great movie!
I think the most important idea presented, is that the future
must grow out from some feature, facet or idea that is already with us,
here, now, in the present.

The future isn't just going to just materialize out of nothing.

imo, lunk

[Timothy Osman]

I going to have to download a version or buy a DVD, My back aint up to 120 minutes of sitting.

[André]

I'm afraid that the utopian society without religions, nations, races, obligations etc as painted by the film, would require a spiritual and intellectual level that is far beyond the everage brainwashed and re-educated 'homo sapiens' of 2008.

I'm not sure that is true, the social and economic context in which we live in greatly influences our behaviour and outlook, in situations where there is shared wealth (social services), there is less conflicts between individuals and an openness to new ideas. There are many examples of this today, and even in some "primitives" cultures.

I remember a long time ago seeing a documentory on two different groups of the same species of baboons, one group was very hierarchical, dominated by a few males who had harems and used violence on a constant basis to maintain their control, the other group was the exact opposite practised free love and there was little conflict or dominant behaviour within that group. The difference was that the first group of baboons lived in near desert condition where there was little food, while the other group was located in an area where the variety and amount of food was almost unlimited.

While I'm not suggesting that humans are baboons though some could qualify, we know through social experiments that the average human being is capable of the worst crimes given the wrong circumstances, and given the right circumstances who knows what we could accomplish in record time.

This post has been edited by André: Oct 4 2008, 09:04 PM

[Wingmaster05]

Wow. Most incredible dot connecting thing i have ever seen. Has anyone ever heard of this Venus Project? Resourced based economy? Where did these fantastic ideas come from?

What did you guys think of the solution? To gather enough to people to one day just look up to the beast and say "no"? I think there are enough 911 truthers, patriots, environmentalists, humanitarians, hell, smart enough people to realize that they perfect way to defeat them is to take total action against what they do. Enough people know the truth. We can be the 21st century's political dissenters that did a global strike and the only thing they could do would be to put us in prison. (think of all the fema camps). It's risky, but a 5 million citizen FREEZE, a complete cut off from the system would be a shock the consciousness of the sheep. The news can't f*cking hide that. No way.

Incredibly, i feel this is the counter punch to the elite of the world.

Think of this whole "global bankers/fraudsters and the rest of the world" as one massive game. This is one hell of a chess game going on here, the ELITE of the world vs. the COMMON MAN. And for nearly the entire game the common man didn't even know he was playing! That's how much of a hole he was in. This group, which is the vast majority of the population at large, is down to just a few pawns (the truthers), a queen (the truth) and a rook (Our logic, our reasoning, our will to search for a logical end to this mess). The elite have their Queen, pawns galore, bishops and knights, rooks, a truely large and powerful, formidable foe. The game we are playing, with the current information available, leads us to believe that the elite are on the finishing stages of a long, drawn out victory against us all. Except now we have changed the rules. We have a super piece; someone has put together the dots well enough that we can destroy their large, overbearing chess pieces by finally unifying the greatest minds of the world with the open use of technology. Our great thinkers have been in every generation, more than people realize. They just lacked the communication skills and total knowledge to emote real change. Now it appears someone has racked their brains and come up with a refreshingly brisk plan to change the world. By this i mean we can utilize the will of the truth, as it has manifested itself in all the honest conspiratorial issues, all the problems of this world built on greed...we can take out their roots of their power once we reach a certain capacity. We don't have to participate anymore.

Think about it. This is the social motivating factor, the catalyst that was needed to unite the people, not to mention the most incredible timing EVER. It's like Peter Joseph (interesting double christian name, btw) was waiting for a time when it would be perfect to release such a devastatingly honest and outstanding idea, when the entire world would be looking for answers! Now is the chance to avert total system collapse, right before it happens. People are feeling the threat, real f*cking bad. The sheep now know how close we are to the fan. The shits real close. And the world awaits this weekend to see how the credit freeze could potentially halt the worlds trading systems.

Remember all those time wave zero predictions and novelty theory of Terence mckenna, those mayan end date ideas? All the frustrated people who have either witnessed or learned of "the beast" (for lack of a beter term) and feel hopeless to somehow correct it all? They are synching up with THIS event, the next counter move by the people. CHECK, and looking for check mate! your turn elite. The clock is on you. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/pilotfly.gif)

And to think... the web bots everyone thought was predicting a terrible doom in the coming days...could this be the serious consciousness effecting event? Not disaster, but a bold plan for the informed to do a global, 60s style-in-the-21st-century sit in? Interesting, or so interesting! I cannot wait to see how people outside the truth movement react to this film. This could be it.

The question is not, i think, how brave the people will be. They just have to see visual confirmation of the numbers to pull it off. The question now is how much time do we have before the elite clamp down on us and how many people will we need at the minimum to affect the minds of the world? That remains to be seen.

[p.w.rapp]

Wow. Most incredible dot connecting thing i have ever seen. Has anyone ever heard of this Venus Project? Resourced based economy? Where did these fantastic ideas come from?

Jacque Fresco's 'The Venus Project: The Redesign of a Culture' is from 1994.
http://www.thevenusproject.com/

IMO it's an illusion.
A very nice illusion though.

Jacque Fresco is a remarkable person - countless designs, inventions and patents, but totally ignoring one fundamental thing:
The psyche of the human species.

If anything the 'Venus Project' is viable for a very small, carefully selected elite. For the chosen few.
And not for 6,7 billions.

Sorry to rain on your parade
Zap