Chemtrails - A Breakthrough Options

[albertchampion]

are there such things as chemtrails?

my experiences/observations would say that there has been something going on in the atmosphere other than engine exhaust water vapor trails[contrails].

i have been airborne, so to speak, for over 50 years. i have observed contrails from the ground, from the air.

i had a manufacturing facility north of CMH for years. since 1971, i have had a manufacturing facility north of IAH. both facilities were/are underneath the "pattern".
i have observed recip and centrifugal powered aircraft at all altitudes, in all weather conditions.

until the 4th quarter of 1999, i had never noticed aircraft trailing "smoke" that grew. neither had i noticed aircraft "smoking" a checkerboard pattern that transformed a clear sky into an overcast sky.

this atmospheric transformation puzzled me.

this strange atmospheric transformation became noticed by my employees. who had been working at this site for years, living nearby all their lives. knowing that i had a long-term aviation orientation, they asked me what was happening. i responded that i had been noticing this strange phenomena, also, but that i hadn't a clue.

sometime after those observations, i tuned into an internet site: rense.com. and discovered a lengthy list of individuals who were seeing what i was seeing in montgomery county, texas. and these observers were all over the country. from portland, or, to little rock, ar, to cypress, tx, to nagadoches, tx ad infinitum.

when pix were posted, they were identical to what i was observing. at least two jet aircraft at about 10,000ft making "smoke" in a checkerboard pattern on a day with clear skies...transforming a clear day into an overcast day.

i think it was 7 years ago when i witnessed the most astonishing instance of "smoke-making". it was a sunday afternoon. a crystalline day. not a cloud in the sky. dead calm. ground temperature 76°F.

i was at an intersection on the west side of I45 in new waverly, texas, when i noticed a jet aircraft streaking south above the i45 right of way making "smoke". the jet was way below contrail altitudes. i figure it was below 2,000 ft. i had a small spotting scope in my glovebox. as the aircraft streaked my me, i focused on it.

it was an all white 737. no tail numbers. no markings at all. it made "smoke" until i lost it. and the "smoke" lingered. and grew. transforming that clear sky sunday afternoon along i45 into an overcast afternoon.

i put this observation up at some "chemtrail" site. and someone responded that i might want to investigate the special "area 51" terminal at mccarran[sic] international.

which i did. seems that the usg operates a special shuttle service from las vegas to its facilities in the nevada desert. and the aircraft used are white 737's with no markings, no registration numbers.

and oddly enough, when i was doing a bit of work for santos at moomba, i was flown from sydney in an all white 146 with no markings. no tail number.

so, my conclusion is that many governments operate "spook" aircraft.

i think that BAE and Boeing have been asked about the number of aircraft that they have delivered to governments that have been unregistered. my recollection is that there was no response to that inquiry.

i close this way...the black budget is unfettered, unexamined. black projects are just as they are described, black.

scythes & pitchforks mes amis.

[bill]

painter it is not the quantity of contrail/chemtrails it is the quality

the aerosol phenomenon that commonly called chemtrail is a completely different event

these spread and stay for hours

I have been a plane watcher since I was a toddler in FL watching planes go over from near by Eglin

I have always been fascinated by airplanes, never before the mid 90's did I observe the persistent spreading chemtrails we have now

They are observably qualitatively different from normal contrails

Again I will reinterate in Taiwan for 2 weeks I only saw 'normal' contrails --that is a contrail that dissipates in a few minutes at mos. NOT ONE chemtrail, zero.
If chemtrails were a 'normal' phenomenon it would be observable world wide


Zap, the aerosol material must come down eventually just as the radioactive fall out from the atmospheric nuclear test eventually came down to earth

The Barium that has contaminated reseviors in CA had to come from somewhere -- it is not a typical polutant from any other source I am aware of --it is a rather scarce element in fact

[bill]

Albert

I watched a show on cable discovery channel maybe about area 51

they filmed the white 737's at macrarren with no other markings

I copied and n number from one aircraft --it was very small but it was there


I checked at the Landings data base

the data base listed it as being a B737 owned by the U S airforce

[Quest]

I have a better idea; why not just ask our kids? After all, chemtrails are being taught in some schools as a "solution to global warming".

http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/Artic..._US_Schools.htm

"A is for Apple.

B is for Boy.

C is for Chemtrails.

At least this is what one American father found while paging through his child's science book. SmT was astonished to find seventh graders being taught about chemtrails. And geoengineeering their home planet.

Anyone with question about the "spray programs" he now says, "should perhaps just ask their kids."

The chemtrails section is found in the Centre Point Learning Science I Essential Interactions science book. Under "Solutions for Global Warming", section 5.19 features a photo of a big multi-engine jet sporting a familiar orange/red paint scheme.

The caption reads: "Figure 1- Jet engines running on richer fuel would add particles to the atmosphere to create a sunscreen".

The logo on the plane says: "Particle Air".

"I kid you not," SmT insists. "Why did I spend all of that time doing research when I could have just asked my kids?"

Helping habituate children to a life under lethal sunshine and "protective" spray planes, this trippy textbook urges young readers to "Use Sun Block". But its authors are referring to a sunscreen spread across the sky.

"Could we deliberately add particles to the atmosphere?" asks the text, before helpfully suggesting that "Burning coal adds soot to the air."

You might be old enough to recoil at such a notion. But in a country where down is up and wrong is right, your kids could be learning that what used to be bad and a bummer is a now good thing!"

[grizz]

The Dicovery Channel program on chemtrails also admits that they do exist.

I rarely disagree with painter, but in this case I do. Chemtrails are not a theory that has not been proven. They are not even a theory. They are a fact. All you have to do is look up and see them to know that they are real.

I know I never saw them before the mid-nineties. I know that you see them and normal contrails in the same sky. I know that at times they are sprayed in dotted lines or puffs rather than continuous. I have photos.

I do not know what is in them, but I do know that they are not normal contrails. They can't be.

[albertchampion]

bill,

i wouldn't doubt that for a discovery channel broadcast a plane would be featured with a tail number.

but when i was at LAS[7-8 years ago] checking out this "shuttle" facility, none of the 737's had any tail numbers. two all white twin bonanzas, did however[i was surprised to notice that these dinosaurs were still being used].

aircraft without tail numbers are an interesting proposition, though, don't you think?

prior to that 737 "smoker" the only aircraft i ever saw without tail numbers were based at IAH. they were a trio of C130's. unpainted. at a special apron, hanger, just off rankin rd. this was during the reagan/bush era central american hidden war/drug trafficking.

this hanger/apron was at the end of 33R. initially, the planes were observable from 33R and rankin rd. then a very high fence was erected, hiding them. but, the fence was not high enough to hide the rudder/tail. if you were one of the few who accessed IAH via that little used route, and you paid attention, you could observe the "unmarked" vehicles.

at some point, rankin rd was closed. 15L/33R was lengthened southwards. that hanger/apron became inaccessible.

[Quest]

Alex Jones - Chemtrail Spraying is Real & Documented
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april...408Spraying.htm

Now THIS is interesting. Jones and others are claiming that what chemtrails are about is COOLING the atmosphere and I have to agree. The sun's warming rays are being blocked from reaching the earth. Gloabal warming is the excuse for spraying but in reality, the 911 perps MAY be trying to induce meterorilogical/ecololgical calamity to help usher in the police state. Is it possible that the 911 perps are going to us the truth movement to spread the word that the earth is actually "cooling" where in reality it's cooling because or chemtrails?

What a mindf*ck!

[Sue]

I am truly amazed that in this forum, a forum that has as much intellectual brainpower as it does, a forum that contains aircraft pilots, people are actually debating whether or not chemtrails exist. This boggles my mind in the same way that some people still believe the official story of how the twin towers came down.

The fact is that the Air Force IS spraying us on a regular basis. What remains to be answered is WHAT they are spraying (although we pretty much know from rainwater samples), and WHY they are doing it.

Literally thousands of people in SE Michigan are aware of the spraying.

Some people don't seem all that concerned about it, thinking if they're doing it it must be for some good.

I'm certainly not convinced of that.

If it was for our good, the politicians would be touting what a wonderful program they've implemented for us. Instead, they're all (except for the courageous Dennis Kucinich) participating in the elaborate cover-up.

For those of you guys still thinking chemtrails don't exist, I'd like to splash some cold water in your face, wear unsexy clothes so you're eyes aren't distracted, and take you outside and show you the sky on a heavy spraying day. (Oh, I guess if it's painter I don't have to worry about how I'm dressed.) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Quest]

Comparison: Chemtrail Versus Contrail

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april...08Chemtrail.htm

Notice that the contrail and Chemtrail seem about the same altitude.

This post has been edited by Quest: Apr 13 2008, 06:55 PM

[WetBlanket]

Some days there are lots of trails, and not in any normal flight paths. They do crisscross then blend together to make a haze that blocks the sun. I used to see the same trails being made every day last summer and watched through binoculars. The plane was white with no lettering. Big four engined plane like the 737 that supposedly hit the WTC (They said 767?) and not a fighter jet.

[lunk]

I've heard 3 explanations for chem trails;

1. sunscreen for the Earth, to protect us from the sun.

2. chemical/biological weapons being dispersed, for population dumification and/or control/reduction.

3. Wires, to connect the different layers of the atmosphere together in a giant circuit board, for some purpose of control.

I'm guessing, but if they could do all three at once...

imo, lunk

(edit to make it make sense)

This post has been edited by lunk: Apr 17 2008, 05:28 PM

[Sue]

Let's look at the situation without any consideration of what is spewing out of the planes:

1) The planes are flying outside of any normal flight pattern.

2) The planes fly in patterns that form a sort of grid - like the lines on a football field. Or, the planes fly at a diagonal to each other.

3) The planes are TOTALLY UNMARKED.

4) Up until a few months ago, large airports were experiencing heavy delays. The controlled media said it was due to excessively high air traffic and yet air traffic was and still is considerably less than previous to 9/11. Then, the regular (marked) planes coming in to the large airports suddenly were flying MUCH LOWER prior to landings and takeoffs. The "high air traffic" delay problem disappeared at the same time.

5) The head of the CIA is just coincidently a high-ranking member of the Air Force.

6) The Air Force just ordered THOUSANDS of "refueling" tanker planes. Planes perfectly suited to an aerial spraying operation.

And these are just some of the main points.

C'mon pilots, these points BY THEMSELVES tell you something strange is going on. Are YOU allowed to fly outside of the normal flight channels? Are YOU allowed to fly an unmarked plane? Does an air strike operation require hundreds of tanker planes flying above for refueling?

And this is even before we get into any discussion about what is coming out of the planes.

WAKE UP people! Those of you who don't believe this is going on are being poisoned and you don't even know it.

[grizz]

It occurred to me the other day that commercial airline pilots would not be able to see chemtrails from the air. As they pass through the layer they would be looking laterally through the trails, and once they are at cruising altitude they can't see down.

[Quest]

Gotta love youtube, some great examples of chemtrails here;

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=pP4dM1cJmsg&...feature=related

There is no such thing as chemtrails - funny
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=JOg-lnPbeg4&...feature=related

NASTY CHEMTRAILS IN ARIZONA
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnDldiCKB0

This post has been edited by Quest: May 5 2008, 02:05 PM

[dMz]

Related threads are at:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....t&p=5426594

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10698730

That "box" is a pretty small, quaint place, kids...

This post has been edited by dMole: May 6 2008, 02:44 AM

[trainer]

Related threads are at:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....t&p=5426594

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10698730

That "box" is a pretty small, quaint place, kids...

As a former airline employee at ORD, I'm pretty well familiar with traffic patterns in this area. The predominant pattern is east/west. Where I live 4 miles or so west of the field, commercial traffic is approx 3,000 feet on final approach. When passing traffic is occaisionaly brought "over the top" it's at Very high alt. and normal contrails sometimes appear and dissipate in about 30 sec. On "spray days" the grids and striped patterns are laid between 12,000 and 25,000 ft. with equal numbers going north and south, east and west.I know these patterns are NOT being generated by commercial traffic. I've observed two aircraft approaching each other at approx the same alt., within a few thousand feet of each other and pass by each other, both spraying. I've seen perfectly clear, sunny days become gray and misty. within a few hours. One guy I know who works at UAL flight dispatch looked at this and said that it definitely wasn't commercial traffic. The spray will turn off and on as though "sputtering" sometimes. These "clouds DO fall to the ground. You can watch them drifting ever so slowly lower and lower. Would any of you agree that these are normal after observing them for awhile? My question is; there are many pilots with military experience who are members of this site. Who would fly these missions without question? What do you think that they're told that they're doing? One chemtrail researcher claims that many of these missions are flown by foriegn NATO pilots. Any thoughts or comments? What would aircraft controllers say if asked about this traffic?

[lunk]

Welcome to the forums!

I get the feeling that we are getting sprayed like bugs, and it is very likely that this is being done some sort of international air force...
and "they" may be using remote controlled drones.

You might want to say hello to everyone at the welcome all thread.

cheers, lunk

[Quest]

Welcome to the forums!

I get the feeling that we are getting sprayed like bugs, and it is very likely that this is being done some sort of international air force...
and "they" may be using remote controlled drones.

You might want to say hello to everyone at the welcome all thread.

cheers, lunk

I agree lunk. Makes sense.

[grizz]

Welcome, trainer. Actual facts regarding the origin of the planes and possible pilots that create the chemtrails are very hard to come by. I've seen it said that they are only above NATO nations, so it could be some entity beyond our national government/military.

[lunk]

Oceans, that is the most down to earth rabbit,
I ever saw!

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so cool.