Crop Circles, What are your thoughts? Options

[lunk]

I've been thinking of crop circles lately,
I don't know why, but they are happening
more frequently, and some of them seem much to
large and complex to be made by a couple of guys,
over night, with a board and some rope:

http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&a...ircles&um=1

[Omega892R09]

I've been thinking of crop circles lately,
I don't know why, but they are happening
more frequently, and some of them seem much to
large and complex to be made by a couple of guys,
over night, with a board and some rope:

http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&a...ircles&um=1

Coincidentally, after watching out for some time, I spotted a copy of Carl Sagan’s ‘The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark’ on the shelf in the local library yesterday and loaned it out and began reading immediately – putting aside DRG’s latest '9/11 Contradictions' for awhile. Which looks like a mistake from Maturin's comment on the NIST Report on Wtc #7 thread. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

In The Demon Haunted World Carl Sagan explains that most of the crop circles that proliferated around southern England during the 1970s and 1980s were originated by a couple of hoaxers Doug Bower and Dave Chorley who came clean in 1991. Other, more crudely done, circles were from copycats. In response to the copycats, and also as a message to believers of alien origins for the patterns, Doug and Dave finished up with one last pattern ‘WEARENOTALONE’.

For those who have not read this book of Sagan’s yet I suggest that you go out and find a copy, he has some prescient words on how he fears the future of the American people as they become more technically dependent and yet understand less about the underlying science and thus could become hostage to powerfull entities wielding extreme technology as a means of coercion. Not exactly his words but that is the drift. Seeing as he died shortly after this book was published in 1996 and knew nothing about 9/11 his vision was spot on. Sagan is another of my 20th Century heroes and another great American up there with Richard Feynman.

As it happens I had started to type in some relevant quotes from his book for including in a future posting here. I think they will be appreciated. Let me know if this is so.

This post has been edited by Omega892R09: Apr 18 2008, 01:32 PM

[Carl Bank]

Google Earth showed this in 2006.

(IMG:http://www.pacmangame.net/pacman-cropcircle.jpg)


lost interst in crop circles since then: Carl

[lunk]

I find the idea that
copy cat crop circle creators
could create crop circles, creepy.

There are reports that that the crops are not damaged,
just bent, not broken and are interwoven in the pattern.

I have seen pictures of homemade crop circles, they always look a little messy by comparison to some of the more extravagant geometric designed ones.

Has anyone here seen one of these, man made, or otherwise,
crop circles, from the air?

[Omega892R09]

Has anyone here seen one of these, man made, or otherwise,
crop circles, from the air?

You may find this site by a friend of mine, here in the UK, interesting, he has been researching crop circles for some time.

As it happens he is also a 9/11 OCT skeptic who has had contact with Alex Jones.

[grizz]

I attended a presentation on crop circles given by Nancy Talbott, president of BLT Research, a little over a year ago. www.bltresearch.com The program began in a most interesting way. She was introduced by her good friend Jeff Rense, who very rarely appears on public and was in disguise. That right there makes one wonder what's going on.

Anyway, she explained the work of her group, how they gather samples, and what they have discovered. Mainly, there are real crop circles and manmade ones. It's very easy to tell the difference. In the real ones, not only are the stalks bent at nodes rather than being broken, the bent nodes actually continue to grow. She showed a bunch of slides and talked, then took a short break.

The second part included photos of the 'ghost' phenomenon taken with some hobbyists in France, and two stories of crop circles appearing in relation to UFO sightings, one in Poland and several involving the same person in Holland. She wouldn't come right out and say it, but the implication was obvious.

Afterwards was a question and answer session. The first man who stood up was a skeptic who apparently follows Ms Talbott around. He had earlier passed out a piece of paper asking the 'tough' questions she would not answer. He started into a canned diatribe and she got 'angry', asked him if he had a question, and dispatched him. He left the room. Then she was asked if UFOs make crop circles. She dodged the question and said that she wasn't sure.

I knew some people there who knew Jeff Rense and was talking with one of them afterwards, as Mr Rense was chatting with Ms Talbott. Then I was introduced to Rense as he was leaving. That was a strange encounter, the details of which concern something else entirely that regards 9/11.

I was left with a feeling that I had just witnessed a disinfo event.

[lunk]

I talked to some people who lived in that part of England where crop circles were first noticed. They said that a mist would lift in the morning and there would be a new crop circle. I also know a man, on this side of the pond, who had a two of them show up on his acreage, he didn't think it likely that people came at night and made them, he seemed to make it to be just some sort of strange phenomena.
He was just farming.

[grizz]

I wonder if the earth itself makes them. Perhaps they are just patterns of powerful magnetic bursts.

[beatles64]

Oceans....


That seems a little less likely to me....some of these are VERY detailed, but, we don't know for sure


I have seen several programs on crop circles, and almost every time some dude walks in with some metal rods, copper maybe?, but anyways, the rods always react to the magnetic field around the perimeter, which is something that would need to be explained if this was man made



Can anyone offer an explanation for this recurring event around crop circles? Does Carl Sagan's text offer an explanation?

[painter]

. . .
I was left with a feeling that I had just witnessed a disinfo event.

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/yes1.gif)

[lunk]

I get the feeling, I'll just have to find one of these crop circles myself
and check it out for bent, not broken grass nodes.

Neat stuff to read, but I'm still skeptical,
it doesn't take much searching in this field
before running into every distraction ever used
to put a tinfoil hat on a rabbit.

imo, lunk

[Omega892R09]

Does Carl Sagan's text offer an explanation?

Well yes. As I reported Carl wrote that a pair of crop circle creators has owned up in 1992.

As I suggested in that post Sagan's book is well worth a read, as are all his others.

[lunk]

Well yes. As I reported Carl wrote that a pair of crop circle creators has owned up in 1992.

As I suggested in that post Sagan's book is well worth a read, as are all his others.

If I owned up to faking the moon landings...
would that alone, make them fake?
Not unless I could prove I did it.

What if some of the lunar landings were actually faked
and some of them were real, really?
Yet, I staked claim to faking them all.
Would you think that they were all faked,
or would you think that I'm fabricating a story,
and they all were real?
Either way you would be wrong.
Pretty tricky tactic, isn't it?

Did these two geometrists ever demonstrate their abilities?

skeptically yours, lunk

[beatles64]

Well yes. As I reported Carl wrote that a pair of crop circle creators has owned up in 1992.

As I suggested in that post Sagan's book is well worth a read, as are all his others.

I am sorry, I was not specific enough


What I mean is, does Carl Sagan's book offer an explanation as to what I described, the magnetic field so to say....many times metallic(or whatever they are) rods bent when anyone enters the circle holding them, is there a specific explanation for this as to how it could be faked by a few men?

[painter]

. . .
skeptically yours, lunk

Yeah, I have to agree and here is why.

I want to believe that there are things in our world that we can not explain. I have no idea what crop circles actually are, where they come from, how they're made, or what, if anything, they actually mean. But that is sort of the beauty of it.

I mean, when you really think about it (which we seldom do), life is a kind of mystery. We know a lot, or think we do, about a lot of things -- and there is nothing wrong with that so far as it goes. But there is a kind of limitation to how far we can go without some fundamental change. Growth is change. Of course, death is 'change' too, of a sort, and there-in lies one of the deepest mysteries of all.

I think it is good to be reminded that there are just some things in the world that we do not and can not -- at least not yet -- fully grasp. Oh, we can make things up -- extraterrestrials, electromagnetic vortices, some kind of high-tech mind control experiment, inter-dimensional penetrations of high-dimensional entities, hoaxes -- think of them however you like but the point is, no matter what you think or believe, the simple fact is, none of us know.

I can tell you they are works of art. They are beautiful in every respect. They materialize seemingly out of thin air, adhere to an extraordinarily advanced aesthetics that some people have been studying for years (finding all sorts of interesting things), their recorded history seems to imply a kind of syntax, they often appear close to ancient sacred sites and, in their patterning, seem to have something in common with 'temple building' AND (if all that were not enough) their ecological impact is close to zero. The significance of this seldom gets mentioned but it is true and I believe highly relevant in some way I don't fully understand. But the point is, they are, for all practical purposes utterly immaterial. Like a foot print along the shore, it appears and is soon gone leaving no trace of itself except the records of it that human beings make.

If there were -- and their really ought to be -- awards given out for the great works of art, surely crop circles would have won a golden easel long ago. They are truly one of the great wonders of the world.

I mean, just look at this:

(IMG:http://www.enlightenedbeings.com/pix/cropcircle9.jpg)

It is stunning -- and we don't know who made it or why?? Oh, and like its ecological impact, it has no economic value in and of itself??? (Yeah, I know, some people capitalize off of them, but there is no evidence of any significant relationship between who or whatever shapes them and people who exploit them for what ever purpose.)

Holy sh*t! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[painter]

While I'm at it, I'll re post this. It is something collaboratively made by another member of this forum, Series of Tubes, and myself. I hope to have more to say about it when I post it in my pinned esotericism thread. But for now, suffice it to say, it is not computer generated. It is merely a recording of an energetic signal interfering with itself in a significant way. Why I think it is relevant to this thread should be obvious from what I said above:

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[mrodway]

Wow!

It is merely a recording of an energetic signal interfering with itself in a significant way

...and interfering with my neurons as well :-)

I am looking forward to your thread!

[Sanders]

I frikken LOVE that video, painter. Thanks for reposting. I can watch that for hours. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Reminds me of what we can do (with regard to audio) in the studio with old analog gear - the stuff can seem to have a mind of it's own if you push it a little bit. Dudn't work in the digital realm as well.


With regard to crop circles, I worry that the ruling elite look at that stuff and think ... "people have way too much free time on their hands ! Jack up their taxes!!!" (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[CocaineImportAge...]

...is there any chance... that in an original instance... there was a circle that had some deeper significance... but any credibility has since been totally destroyed... either by subliminal official disinfo` or by a few farmers trying to top up there subsidies!?.... thank god lots of farmers have not got replicas of the Twin Towers sitting in their fields!.... the Truth is out there! ( cue X-Files Theme tune ) .... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif)

[lunk]

Here is my (latest) theory on crop circles.

I figure they are made from above,
with some kind of rotateable polarized microwave laser.

They could be beamed down from a geocentric orbiting satellite following a geometric programmed equation, probably with the right weather conditions on the ground, like fog,
in an open field, with the right crop...

whether or not, there are rabbit there.