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Twilight Of The Psychopaths, by Dr. Kevin Barrett

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Twilight of the Psychopaths

by Dr. Kevin Barrett

“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.” – John Lennon, before his murder by CIA mind-control subject Mark David Chapman

When Gandhi was asked his opinion of Western civilization he said it would be a good idea. But that oft-cited quote, is misleading, assuming as it does that civilization is an unmitigated blessing.

Civilized people, we are told, live peacefully and cooperatively with their fellows, sharing the necessary labour in order to obtain the leisure to develop arts and sciences. And while that would be a good idea, it is not a good description of what has been going on in the so-called advanced cultures during the past 8,000 years.

Civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been based on slavery and “warfare.” Incidentally, the latter term is a euphemism for mass murder.

The prevailing recipe for civilization is simple:

1) Use lies and brainwashing to create an army of controlled, systematic mass murderers;

2) Use that army to enslave large numbers of people (i.e. seize control of their labour power and its fruits);

3) Use that slave labour power to improve the brainwashing process (by using the economic surplus to employ scribes, priests, and PR men). Then go back to step one and repeat the process.

Psychopaths have played a disproportionate role in the development of civilization, because they are hard-wired to lie, kill, injure, and generally inflict great suffering on other humans without feeling any remorse. The inventor of civilization — the first tribal chieftain who successfully brainwashed an army of controlled mass murderers—was almost certainly a genetic psychopath. Since that momentous discovery, psychopaths have enjoyed a significant advantage over non-psychopaths in the struggle for power in civilizational hierarchies — especially military hierarchies.

Military institutions are tailor-made for psychopathic killers. The 5% or so of human males who feel no remorse about killing their fellow human beings make the best soldiers. And the 95% who are extremely reluctant to kill make terrible soldiers — unless they are brainwashed with highly sophisticated modern techniques that turn them (temporarily it is hoped) into functional psychopaths.

In On Killing, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman has re-written military history, to highlight what other histories hide: The fact that military science is less about strategy and technology, than about overcoming the instinctive human reluctance to kill members of our own species. The true “Revolution in Military Affairs” was not Donald Rumsfeld’s move to high-tech in 2001, but Brigadier Gen. S.L.A. Marshall’s discovery in the 1940s that only 15-20% of World War II soldiers along the line of fire would use their weapons: “Those (80-85%) who did not fire did not run or hide (in many cases they were willing to risk great danger to rescue comrades, get ammunition, or run messages), but they simply would not fire their weapons at the enemy, even when faced with repeated waves of banzai charges” (Grossman, p. 4).

Marshall’s discovery and subsequent research, proved that in all previous wars, a tiny minority of soldiers — the 5% who are natural-born psychopaths, and perhaps a few temporarily-insane imitators—did almost all the killing. Normal men just went through the motions and, if at all possible, refused to take the life of an enemy soldier, even if that meant giving up their own. The implication: Wars are ritualized mass murders by psychopaths of non-psychopaths. (This cannot be good for humanity’s genetic endowment!)

Marshall’s work, brought a Copernican revolution to military science. In the past, everyone believed that the soldier willing to kill for his country was the (heroic) norm, while one who refused to fight was a (cowardly) aberration. The truth, as it turned out, was that the normative soldier hailed from the psychopathic five percent. The sane majority, would rather die than fight.

The implication, too frightening for even the likes of Marshall and Grossman to fully digest, was that the norms for soldiers’ behaviour in battle had been set by psychopaths. That meant that psychopaths were in control of the military as an institution. Worse, it meant that psychopaths were in control of society’s perception of military affairs. Evidently, psychopaths exercised an enormous amount of power in seemingly sane, normal society.

How could that be? In Political Ponerology, Andrzej Lobaczewski explains that clinical psychopaths enjoy advantages even in non-violent competitions to climb the ranks of social hierarchies. Because they can lie without remorse (and without the telltale physiological stress that is measured by lie detector tests) psychopaths can always say whatever is necessary to get what they want. In court, for example, psychopaths can tell extreme bald-faced lies in a plausible manner, while their sane opponents are handicapped by an emotional predisposition to remain within hailing distance of the truth. Too often, the judge or jury imagines that the truth must be somewhere in the middle, and then issues decisions that benefit the psychopath. As with judges and juries, so too with those charged with decisions concerning who to promote and who not to promote in corporate, military and governmental hierarchies. The result is that all hierarchies inevitably become top-heavy with psychopaths.

So-called conspiracy theorists, some of whom deserve the pejorative connotation of that much-abused term, often imagine that secret societies of Jews, Jesuits, bankers, communists, Bilderbergers, Muslim extremists, papists, and so on, are secretly controlling history, doing dastardly deeds, and/or threatening to take over the world. As a leading “conspiracy theorist” according to Wikipedia, I feel eminently qualified to offer an alternative conspiracy theory which, like the alternative conspiracy theory of 9/11, is both simpler and more accurate than the prevailing wisdom: The only conspiracy that matters is the conspiracy of the psychopaths against the rest of us.

Behind the apparent insanity of contemporary history, is the actual insanity of psychopaths fighting to preserve their disproportionate power. And as that power grows ever-more-threatened, the psychopaths grow ever-more-desperate. We are witnessing the apotheosis of the overworld—the criminal syndicate or overlapping set of syndicates that lurks above ordinary society and law just as the underworld lurks below it. In 9/11 and the 9/11 wars, we are seeing the final desperate power-grab or “endgame” (Alex Jones) of brutal, cunning gangs of CIA drug-runners and President-killers; money-laundering international bankers and their hit-men, economic and otherwise; corrupt military contractors and gung-ho generals; corporate predators and their political enablers; brainwashers and mind-rapists euphemistically known as psy-ops experts and PR specialists—in short, the whole sick crew of certifiable psychopaths running our so-called civilization. And they are running scared. It was their terror of losing control that they projected onto the rest of us by blowing up the Twin Towers and inciting temporary psychopathic terror-rage in the American public.

Why does the pathocracy fear it is losing control? Because it is threatened by the spread of knowledge. The greatest fear of any psychopath is of being found out. As George H. W. Bush said to journalist Sarah McClendon, December 1992, “If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us.” Given that Bush is reported to have participated in parties where child prostitutes were sodomized and otherwise abused, among his many other crimes, his statement to McClendon should be taken seriously.

Psychopaths go through life knowing that they are completely different from other people. They quickly learn to hide their lack of empathy, while carefully studying others’ emotions so as to mimic normalcy while cold-bloodedly manipulating the normals.

Today, thanks to new information technologies, we are on the brink of unmasking the psychopaths and building a civilization of, by and for the normal human being — a civilization without war, a civilization based on truth, a civilization in which the saintly few rather than the diabolical few would gravitate to positions of power. We already have the knowledge necessary to diagnose psychopathic personalities and keep them out of power. We have the knowledge necessary to dismantle the institutions in which psychopaths especially flourish — militaries, intelligence agencies, large corporations, and secret societies. We simply need to disseminate this knowledge, and the will to use it, as widely as possible.

Above all, we need to inform the public about how psychopaths co-opt and corrupt normal human beings. One way they do this, is by manipulating shame and denial — emotions foreign to psychopaths but common and easily-induced among normals.

Consider how gangs and secret societies (psychopaths’ guilds in disguise) recruit new members. Some criminal gangs and satanist covens demand that candidates for admission commit a murder to “earn their stripes.” Skull and Bones, the Yale-based secret society that supplies the CIA with drug-runners, mind-rapists, child abusers and professional killers, requires neophytes to lie naked in a coffin and masturbate in front of older members while reciting the candidate’s entire sexual history. By forcing the neophyte to engage in ritualized behaviour that would be horrendously shameful in normal society, the psychopaths’ guild destroys the candidate’s normal personality, assuming he had one in the first place, and turns the individual into a co-opted, corrupt, degraded shadow of his former self — a manufactured psychopath or psychopath’s apprentice.

This manipulation of shame has the added benefit of making psychopathic organizations effectively invisible to normal society. Despite easily available media reports, American voters in 2004 simply refused to see that the two major-party presidential candidates had lain naked in a coffin masturbating in front of older Bonesmen in order to gain admission to Skull and Bones and thus become members of the criminal overworld. Likewise, many Americans have long refused to see that hawkish elements of the overworld, operating through the CIA, had obviously been the murderers of JFK, MLK, RFK, JFK Jr., Malcolm X, ChÈ, AllendÈ, Wellstone, Lumumba, Aguilera, Diem, and countless other relatively non-psychopathic leaders. They refuse to see the continuing murders of millions of people around the world in what amounts to an American holocaust. They refuse to see the evidence that the psychopaths’ guilds running America’s most powerful institutions use the most horrific forms of sexualized abuse imaginable to induce multiple-personality-disorder in child victims, then use the resulting mind-control slaves as disposable drug-runners, prostitutes, Manchurian candidates, and even diplomatic envoys. And of course they refuse to see that 9/11 was a transparently obvious inside job, and that their own psychopath-dominated military-intelligence apparatus is behind almost every major terrorist outrage of recent decades.

All of this psychopathic behaviour at the top of the social hierarchy is simply too shameful for ordinary people to see, so they avert their gaze, just as wives of husbands who are sexually abusing their children sometimes refuse to see what is happening in plain view. If deep, deep denial were a river in Egypt, American citizens’ wilful blindness would be more like the Marianas Trench.

But thanks to the power of the internet, people everywhere are waking up. The only obvious non-psychopath among Republican presidential candidates, Ron Paul, also happens to be the only candidate in either party with significant grassroots support.

If “love” is embedded in the Revolution Ron Paul heralds, that is because Dr. Paul — a kindly, soft-spoken physician who has delivered more than 4,000 babies — implicitly recognizes that government is the invention and tool of psychopaths, and therefore must be strictly limited in scope and subjected to a rigorous system of checks and balances, lest the psychopath’s tools, fear and hatred, replace love as the glue that binds society together.

The decline in militarism since World War II in advanced countries, the spread of literacy and communications technology, and the people’s growing demands for a better life, together represent a gathering force that terrifies the pathocracy, (those alternately competing-then-cooperating gangs of psychopaths who have ruled through lies, fear and intimidation since the dawn of so-called civilization).

Since nuclear weapons have made war obsolete, the pathocracy is terrified that its favourite social control mechanism — ritualized mass slaughter — is increasingly unavailable. And if war was the great human tragedy, the pathocrats’ pathetic attempt at a war-substitute — the transparently phoney “war on terror” — is repeating it as sheerest farce.

Truly, we are witnessing the twilight of the psychopaths. Whether in their death throes they succeed in pulling down the curtain of eternal night on all of us, or whether we resist them and survive to see the dawn of a civilization worthy of the name, is the great decision in which all of us others, however humbly, are now participating.

About the writer:

Dr. Kevin Barrett, co-founder of the Muslim-Christian-Jewish Alliance for 9/11 Truth, LINK, has taught English, French, Arabic, American Civilization, Humanities, African Literature, Folklore, and Islam at colleges and universities in the San Francisco Bay area, Paris, and Madison, Wisconsin. Barrett became a 9/11 truth activist in 2004 after reading David Griffin's The New Pearl Harbor and conducting follow-up research that convinced him Griffin had accurately summarized evidence indicating 9/11 was an inside job.

In the summer of 2006, Republican state legislators and Fox newscasters demanded that Barrett be fired from his job teaching an introductory Islam class at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, but the University refused to buckle, and Barrett got high marks from his students. He has appeared in several documentary films, lectures widely on 9/11 and hosts three radio programs on three different patriot networks.

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The Truth About Veteran Suicides

by Aaron Glantz

Eighteen American war veterans kill themselves every day. One thousand former soldiers receiving care from the Department of Veterans Affairs attempt suicide every month. More veterans are committing suicide than are dying in combat overseas.

These are statistics that most Americans don't know, because the Bush administration has refused to tell them. Since the start of the Iraq War, the government has tried to present it as a war without casualties.

In fact, they never would have come to light were it not for a class action lawsuit brought by Veterans for Common Sense and Veterans United for Truth on behalf of the 1.7 million Americans who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan. The two groups allege the Department of Veterans Affairs has systematically denied mental health care and disability benefits to veterans returning from the conflict zones.

The case, officially known as Veterans for Common Sense vs. Peake, went to trial last month at a Federal Courthouse in San Francisco. The two sides are still filing briefs until May 19 and waiting for a ruling from Judge Samuel Conti, but the case is already having an impact.

"Shh!"

That's because over the course of the two-week trial, the VA was compelled to produce a series of documents that show the extent of the crisis affecting wounded soldiers.

"Shh!" begins one e-mail from Dr. Ira Katz, the head of the VA's Mental Health Division, advising a media spokesperson not to tell CBS News that 1,000 veterans receiving care at the VA try to kill themselves every month.

"Our suicide prevention coordinators are identifying about 1,000 suicide attempts per month among the veterans we see in our medical facilities. Is this something we should (carefully) address ourselves in some sort of release before someone stumbles on it?" the e-mail concludes.

Leading Democrats on the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee immediately called for Katz's resignation. On May 6, the Chair of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs, Bob Filner (D-CA) convened a hearing titled "The Truth About Veteran's Suicides" and called Katz and VA Secretary James Peake to testify.

"That e-mail was in poor tone but the content was part of a dialogue about what we should do about new information," Katz said in response to Filner's questions. "The e-mail represents a healthy dialogue among members of VA staff about when it's appropriate to disclose and make public information early in the process."

Filner was nonplused and accused Katz and Peake of a "cover-up."

"We should all be angry about what has gone on here," Filner said. "This is a matter of life and death for the veterans that we are responsible for and I think there was criminal negligence in the way this was handled. If we do not admit, assume or know then the problem will continue and people will die. If that's not criminal negligence, I don't know what is."

A Pattern

It's also part of a pattern. The high number of veteran suicides weren't the only government statistics the Bush Administration was forced to reveal because of the class action lawsuit.

Another set of documents presented in court showed that in the six months leading up to March 31, a total of 1,467 veterans died waiting to learn if their disability claim would be approved by the government. A third set of documents showed that veterans who appeal a VA decision to deny their disability claim have to wait an average of 1,608 days, or nearly four and a half years, for their answer.

Other casualty statistics are not directly concealed, but are also not revealed on a regular basis. For example, the Pentagon regularly reports on the numbers of American troops "wounded" in Iraq (currently at 31,948) but neglects to mention that it has two other categories "injured" (10,180) and "ill" (28,451). All three of these categories represent soldiers who are so damaged physically they have to be medically evacuated to Germany for treatment, but by splitting the numbers up the sense of casualties down the public consciousness.

Here's another number that we don't often hear discussed in the media: 287,790. That's the number of returning Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans who had filed a disability claim with the Veterans Administration as of March 25th. That figure was not announced to the public at a news conference, but obtained by Veterans for Common Sense using the Freedom of Information Act.

Why all the secrecy? Why is it so hard to get accurate casualty figures out of our government? Because the Bush Administration knows if Americans woke up to the real, human costs of this war they would fight harder to oppose it.

Some 'Cakewalk'

Think back to 2002, before the invasion of Iraq, when leading neo-conservative thinker and Donald Rumsfeld aide Ken Adelman predicted the war would be a "cakewalk."

Or consider this statement from Vice President Dick Cheney. Two days before the invasion, Cheney told NBC's Tim Russert the war would "go relatively quickly…(ending in) weeks rather than months."

Today, those comments are gone but the motivation behind them remains. This is why the VA's head of mental health wrote "Shh!" telling a spokesperson not to respond to a reporters' inquiry.

But all the shhing in the world cannot stop the horrible pain that's mounting after five years of war in Iraq and nearly seven years of war in Afghanistan.

Unpleasant Facts

According to an April 2008 study by the Rand Corporation, 300,000 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans currently suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder or major depression. Another 320,000 suffer from traumatic brain injury, physical brain damage. A majority are not receiving help from the Pentagon and VA system which are more concerned with concealing unpleasant facts than they are with providing care.

In its study, the RAND Corporation wrote that the federal government fails to care for war veterans at its own peril – noting post-traumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injury "can have far-reaching and damaging consequences."

"Individuals afflicted with these conditions face higher risks for other psychological problems and for attempting suicide. They have higher rates of unhealthy behaviors – such as smoking, overeating, and unsafe sex – and higher rates of physical health problems and mortality. Individuals with these conditions also tend to miss more work or report being less productive," the report said. "These conditions can impair relationships, disrupt marriages, aggravate the difficulties of parenting, and cause problems in children that may extend the consequences of combat trauma across generations."

"These consequences can have a high economic toll," RAND said. "However, most attempts to measure the costs of these conditions focus only on medical costs to the government. Yet, direct costs of treatment are only a fraction of the total costs related to mental health and cognitive conditions. Far higher are the long-term individual and societal costs stemming from lost productivity, reduced quality of life, homelessness, domestic violence, the strain on families, and suicide. Delivering effective care and restoring veterans to full mental health have the potential to reduce these longer-term costs significantly."

Bush and Congress have the power to stop this problem before it gets worse. It's not too late to extend needed mental health care to our returning Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans; it's not too late to begin properly screening and treating returning servicemen and women who've experienced a traumatic brain injury; and it is not too late to simplify the disability claims process so that wounded veterans do not die waiting for their check. As the Rand study shows, this isn't only in the best interest of veterans, it's in the best interest of our country in the long run.

To start with, the Bush Administration needs to give us some honest information about the true human costs of the Iraq War.

Reprinted courtesy of Foreign Policy in Focus.

May 12, 2008

Aaron Glantz [send him mail] is the author of two upcoming books on Iraq: The War Comes Home: Washington's Battle Against America's Veterans (UC Press) and Winter Soldier Iraq and Afghanistan: Eyewitness Accounts of the Occupations (Haymarket). He edits the website WarComesHome.org.

Copyright © 2008 Foreign Policy In Focus

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post May 12 2008, 10:29 PM
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I'm pretty convinced that it's the psychopaths that make it to the top - in business, politics and in military matters.
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Declared crazy for calling them crazy.

Yup, psychopaths driving their fellow human beings off the deep end.

It would sort of be nice (imperative) to stop them.

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I want to apologize in advance for the length of this contribution; if the admins feel it is too long and/or should be in its own thread, please feel free to move it. I've tacked it on here because I feel it is relevant to this thread but I'm new here and want to play by the rules. handsdown.gif


In 1995, I joined a walk led by Native Americans that began in June at First Encounter Beach Cape Cod, proceeded south to North Carolina, then west to the Pacific Ocean. The walk ended at Santa Barbara, CA on February 2, 1996. The purpose of the walk, (called the Sunbow 5 Walk for the Earth) was mainly to pray for peace but also to share native elders' warnings that if humans did not return to living in spiritual harmony with the Earth and with one another, we risked our own destruction.

Though led by Native Americans, the walkers were of every color. The ideals of the walkers resonated strongly within my heart, and at the beginning of November I travelled east to join them in Oklahoma (I was living in Albuquerque at the time). I arrived full of expectations that the walkers would be living in utopian relationship with one another (okay, so I was somewhat naive rolleyes.gif ).

What I found on that peace walk, as many reading this will already have guessed, was so very far from peaceful as to be shocking. The experience provided powerful lessons and remains one of the formative experiences of my life.

Without going into too much detail, I would like to share one lesson I carried away from that walk as it seems particularly important and relevant to this thread.

When I reached the walkers, I learned that a long-running conflict with the man asked by the elders to lead the walk had come to a head on Kiowa Nation land only the day before. He had left (or been driven out - or some combination) in an extremely heated confrontation that left the walkers feeling they had poorly used Kiowa hospitality and had desecrated ceremonial land. The walkers' list of grievances against the former leader was long, and included theft of money, sexual abuse of a minor, abuse of women, lying, acting like a dictator, etc. It wasn't what I had imagined happening on a peace walk!

Well, now the walkers were rid of the offender, and they had re-affirmed their values and re-established peace, right? Riiiight.

The two Native men who had stood up to the former leader and defended the right of the women to have an equal voice contacted the elder who was most involved with guiding the walk, Grandfather William Commanda of Maniwaki Quebec. They explained what had happened and asked for guidance. The elder asked the two of them to take up the mantle of leadership and continue the walk in a good way. They agreed.

Many significant, larger-than-life trials provided plenty of stress for us as we walked across the panhandle of Texas and across the high desert plains of New Mexico. Over the weeks and miles, I gradually began to notice little changes in the behavior of the two men who had become our new leaders. Decisions that had been made without input from the walkers. Comments that seemed a little off key. Sharp words. Inhospitality to new people who wanted to join us.

At first I thought I was imagining things, but before long the offenses became more obvious and soon groups of us began talking with one another about the troubling behavior. More than one walker observed to me that the two new leaders were acting in remarkably similar fashion to the former leader. By the time the walk reached the Arizona border it was clear that something was seriously wrong with our leadership.

Again, I'll cut out the details, but the bottom line is that by the time the walk reached California, there had been real, credible death threats on our "peace" walk, and our arrival in Southern California had the effect of a well-swung bat on a large hornet's nest.

East of Santa Barbara we were in effect incarcerated on top of a mountain by a militant, part-native gang that went by the name "Harmony Keepers" (I'm not making this stuff up!) Many of us believed that they were weighing whether they could kill all of us and get away with it. Our leader (one of the two had managed to seize sole control) was the one who had placed us in the hands of this gang.

One morning, while the majority of the Harmony Keepers were away consulting with their Clan Grandmothers, I and many other walkers woke with an overpowering feeling that we needed to get the heck out of there - right away. In almost no time, the fifty of us had reached consensus and in a fraction of the time it normally took us to break camp our motley assortment of support vehicles had been loaded and we headed down the mountain to a campground in Ojai.

Later that day the campground was the site of a major confrontation with the Harmony Keepers and then with our leader. The end result was a kind of stale-mate, and one week later, after seven months and 4000 miles, the walkers were forced to give up their walk just two days short of their objective, which was Point Conception.

Over the course of that last week, we tried to take a good look at where we had gone wrong. The overwhelming sentiment was that the walkers had somehow missed an important lesson in the drama surrounding the first leader, because we got the same lesson all over again: the one that replaced him became virtually the identical tyrant.

Slowly we realized that we had made a great art and sport of criticizing the leaders who failed us so spectacularly. We were clear that they were bad men, men who had abused our trust and betrayed the ideals of the walk. It was fun criticizing them, and we did so with gusto.

But.

Here was the painful question: if these men were acting in a manner so contrary to our own ideals, why had we followed them? Why had we not done something about our crisis in leadership before it was too late to save the walk?

It hurt to admit the truth: that we all followed the leader because it was easy. He had been duly appointed by the elder. It was a Native-led walk. In actual fact, it was in our very nature to give our power and responsibility away to someone who promised to take care of us.

Who was responsible for the costly failure of the walk? The bad leaders? Yes they were bad, but of themselves they could have done nothing. In the end we were forced to admit that the responsibility for our walk rested with us, the walkers. We had failed ourselves.
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QUOTE (sb5walker @ May 12 2008, 10:57 PM) *
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It hurt to admit the truth: that we all followed the leader because it was easy. He had been duly appointed by the elder. It was a Native-led walk. In actual fact, it was in our very nature to give our power and responsibility away to someone who promised to take care of us.

Who was responsible for the costly failure of the walk? The bad leaders? Yes they were bad, but of themselves they could have done nothing. In the end we were forced to admit that the responsibility for our walk rested with us, the walkers. We had failed ourselves.


Thank you, sb5walker. There is much to be contemplated in your tale. I highly recommend you send this story to Kevin (see the link toward the bottom of the first post). I'm sure he will appreciate it as a response to his piece.

Oh, and handsdown.gif back at you.

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Thanks for the great insight, sb5walker. Perhaps, most people are more comfortable being follows. I've often wondered how the Nazis could have been so succesful. It couldn't have happened without the tacit consent (either actively or passively) or the people. Apparently the same thing happened on your walk and is happening in the macrocosm of American (Canadian, etc.) society.
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Hierarchies breed contempt
between top and bottom
or leader and followers.

It's good to have friends.

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QUOTE (Bruce Sinclair @ May 11 2008, 05:46 AM) *
Perhaps, most people are more comfortable being follows. I've often wondered how the Nazis could have been so succesful. It couldn't have happened without the tacit consent (either actively or passively) or the people. Apparently the same thing happened on your walk and is happening in the macrocosm of American (Canadian, etc.) society.

I often observe to friends and family that America presently is like 1930s Germany. (Lately I've been telling them it's 1938 Germany, but soon I may have to say 1939.) But I add that at least the Germans could say in defense of their inaction that there was no recent example in history to suggest to them that the apparently insane Nazis might actually do what they said they were going to do.

One thing I didn't mention in my above post was the fact that we walkers were often afraid, and often for good reason. That contributed in no small way to our reluctance to stick our necks out. If we didn't know that we would be backed up by all the other walkers (and we didn't), then we were afraid to challenge the powerful leaders. We knew we would be squashed like a bug.

It was only at the very end that a few of us, with nothing left to lose, dared to challenge authority. And by then, alas, it was too late.

The Nazis understood the power of fear. So do our present Nazis. It's an extremely powerful and effective incentive to keep us inactive. Add to that our natural tendency to 'fight amongst ourselves', and the technique of 'divide and conquer' (also used by the leaders of the walk) and you can see that we had almost no chance at all.

Still, I'm reminded of what happened in that circle in Ojai, when a few dared to challenge authority. The leader got right in their faces in an extremely threatening way, but that didn't last long. Every single walker came to their defense and the leader had to back down.

Could that happen here and now? Good question. I have to hope that it is possible.
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QUOTE (lunk @ May 11 2008, 01:11 PM) *
Hierarchies breed contempt
between top and bottom
or leader and followers.

It's good to have friends.

imo, lunk

True, but while we followers became friends for life, the leaders made only strategic alliances and they were very temporary.
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lunk
post May 13 2008, 12:00 PM
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There is something to be said for staying away from large organized groups.
I also try to stay away from crowds...and heavy traffic.

Small groups of like minded people helping each other out and supporting each other,
is part of the answer.
We also must find away of identifying psychopaths
before they ruthlessly claw their way up into a position of power over people.
If we must have a "leader" we must know of their affiliations with other groups,
especially secret groups.
And, while we're at it, lets make oaths illegal.

imo, lunk.
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post May 13 2008, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE (sb5walker @ May 11 2008, 02:01 PM) *
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It was only at the very end that a few of us, with nothing left to lose, dared to challenge authority. And by then, alas, it was too late.
...

How often has that story been told in the history of mankind?

For a more nearly complete (I don't dare say complete) understanding of the history of the Germans during the rise of the Nazis, get a copy of "They Thought They Were Free", by Milton Meyer, a German- American who returned to post-war Germany in an attempt to understand better how it all happened. He became well-acquainted with ten Nazis - ordinary men who formed the rank and file of the party, supporting and doing the banal little tasks of oppression that made up the venal sins underlying the horrific body of state crimes that brought on the ruination of the "Thousand-year Reich". The book was published in 1955, but it is probably more relevant today than when it was published.

One quote from the Foreword struck me as evoking the "shock and awe" television campaign that accompanied the beginning of our Iraq adventure:
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... Now I see a little better how Nazism overcame Germany - Not by attack from without or by subversion from within, but with a whoop and a holler. It was what most Germans wanted- or, under pressure of combined reality and illusion, came to want. They wanted it; they got it, and they liked it.
" I came back home a little afraid for my country, afraid of what it might want, and get, and like, under pressure of combined reality and illusion. I felt - and feel- that it was not German Man that I had met, but Man. He happened to be in Germany under certain conditions. He might, under certain conditions, be I."
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