Theory - Wtc Lobby Explosion A Slight Of Hand?, split Options

[Quest]

This may be theory but I think I've made a discovery.

Pay attention to this woman's testimoney which seems to correlate that of William Rodriguez in that a bomb went off in the WTC lobby/sub-basement just seconds BEFORE the plane hit. I believe the lobby explosion was meant to get everyone near the WTC to focus attention at street level and look DOWN just before the 'hit'. There would be the sound of an explosion and chaos with people running around, screaming, literally seconds before (the hit). All attention would have been focused at ground level as the result of a purposeful distraction or, slight-of-hand. What other purpose could the lobby/sub-basement explosion PRIOR to the 2nd tower 'hit' serve, just seconds BEFORE the supposed hit other than a planned distraction from what was just about to occur , or NOT occur, above, at the 80th floor? I say no planes were used and explosives were planted in the tower floors that were supposedly hit. Furthermore, if a big Boeing did actually hit the building and the building was simply being control demolitioned, why the need to get WTC bystabnders to look DOWN just seconds before the hit? Wouldn't it make more sense that if indeed an actual big plane hit that the basement explosion would take place AT THE SAME MOMENT the plane hit, that is, if the explosion was being used to simply weaken the foundation before the demolition? This way the explosion could have been hidden. But no, the explosion took place about 9 seconds PRIOR to the supposed hit on the 80th floor. The ensueing chaos would provide ample distraction and keep all eyes focused AT GROUND LEVEL prior to the supposed hit above.

This theory also jives with my premise that using planes to hit the buildings was too risky, just like the Pentagon event in which an actual plane could have dug into the ground BEFORE hitting the building therby sending the 911 perps to jail. The WTC towers were already pre-wired with FEMA and other military exercize personel in place, along with fake witnesses and CIA-controlled media, therefore, the 911 event HAD TO TAKE PLACE AS PLANNED and WTC hits that left no evidence behind as to what hit had to be guaranteed. Actual planes could have missed the targets completely or just partially hit leaving debris from the plane in the street with NO PASSENGERS in the case of the plane(s) being radio-controlled drones. I believe the bombs going off in the lobby/sub-basement seconds prior to the supposed plane hits served as a purposeful distraction and further bolsters the no plane theory.

Watch this woman's report and pay special atention to the 35:00 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIrxs4nqEOc&NR=1

This woman's testimony, along with William Rodriguez and the audio file at the beginning of Loose Change of the WTC occupants earwitnessing the basement and upper floor explosions prove basement/lobby explosion BEFORE the hit. What's interesting is that the latter audio file with NO PLANE ROAR gives the lie to the Luc Courchesne video with the over-the-top engine roar. Where is the roar in the audio clip of the WTC occupants in the Loose Change audio clip? It isn't there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbrg6-IYYxs

Why was was the audio turned off on Evan Fairbank's camera?
http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html#2nd
New York September 11
"Evan Fairbanks, now a freelance photographer, was on the stage at the New York Historical society, narrating his 25-minute silent video, which he shot almost thirty years later, on September 11, 2001... He told us he often works in lower Manhattan, and, that morning, he was at Trinity Church, setting up a teleconference with the Archbishop of Wales. All of a sudden, the lights flickered in the studio. When he ran to the window, he saw there had been an explosion at the WTC.
"Someone handed me a video camera and I ran outside," he said. "And it was only after the first tower collapsed and FBI agents conducted me to a safe place, that I stopped shooting. When I told them what I had on videotaped, they brought me to their command center. They have the original, which has five minutes of audio. This is a copy. Sorry there's no sound."

Does Evan Fairbanks mention a bomb that blew out the WTC lobby windows just prior to the hit? No.

Do any video takers at the base of the WTC 2nd hit mention a bomb in the lobby or basement that blew out the lobby windows just prior to the hit? No.

Do any of the close up hit videos contain audio of the lobby explosion that blew glass out into the building's periphery just prior to the hit? No.

And on and on....

This post has been edited by Quest: May 22 2008, 08:17 PM

[ogrady]

Absolutely agree. Misdirection was the name of the game and everything serves more than one purpose. Bombs to distract and panic, as well as weaken the structures before the coup de grace. Timing was important. Makes sense.

[Quest]

Absolutely agree. Misdirection was the name of the game and everything serves more than one purpose. Bombs to distract and panic, as well as weaken the structures before the coup de grace. Timing was important. Makes sense.

Exactly. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

[Quest]

Another question, how can it be that the side of the plane in this video is in the sunlight the entire time when it is the shadow side of the building?

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9189/hezarkhanicumv3.gif

The plane in the above video looks like a still frame that was overlayed on the tower and moved OVER the building image.

This post has been edited by Quest: May 17 2008, 07:31 PM

[dMz]

Absolutely agree. Misdirection was the name of the game and everything serves more than one purpose. Bombs to distract and panic, as well as weaken the structures before the coup de grace. Timing was important. Makes sense.

Hi ogrady,

I think you read my mind- or this maybe? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10210638

[amazed!]

An interesting interpretation--distraction to keep eyes away from the sky.

Willie's testimony also includes reference to the fellow who showed up just after the explosion with flesh dripping from his arms. Not your garden-variety explosion.

[Quest]

Admins/Mods, can you please do me a favor and cut/paste my theory about the lobby explosion and start a new thread with it that includes the subsequent posts? I would like to name the thread,
"Theory - WTC lobby explosion a slight of hand?"

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10740783

Much appreciated. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

This post has been edited by Quest: May 18 2008, 02:49 PM

[p.w.rapp]

Done.
If I missed anything, let me know.

Interesting theory!

[Quest]

Thanks, Zap. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif)

[Quest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtuAuYf-Duc

Listen to the audio in the above clip which was recording LOOOONNGGG before the 2nd tower hit. Did you hear a blast BEFORE the 2nd plane hit that was suppossed to have originated in the 2nd tower basement/lobby abut 8 seconds before the hit? No. Nada. Nothing. No blast and no people running around screaming in the resultant chaos. This is an obvious fake video based on the audio alone.

This post has been edited by Quest: May 22 2008, 08:19 PM

[mrodway]

Interesting theory!

One though has just occurred to me, I wonder if the explosion could have also been used to destroy the control room for the WTC's own surveillance system?

Which from memory I think was either in the basement or lobby of one of the two towers.

[Quest]

Interesting theory!

One though has just occurred to me, I wonder if the explosion could have also been used to destroy the control room for the WTC's own surveillance system?

Which from memory I think was either in the basement or lobby of one of the two towers.

That's a possibility. That, and to begin the weakening of the building.

[Christophera]

This may be theory but I think I've made a discovery.

Pay attention to this woman's testimoney which seems to correlate that of William Rodriguez in that a bomb went off in the WTC lobby/sub-basement just seconds BEFORE the plane hit. I believe the lobby explosion was meant to get everyone near the WTC to focus attention at street level and look DOWN just before the 'hit'. There would be the sound of an explosion and chaos with people running around, screaming, literally seconds before (the hit). All attention would have been focused at ground level as the result of a purposeful distraction or, slight-of-hand. What other purpose could the lobby/sub-basement explosion PRIOR to the 2nd tower 'hit' serve, just seconds BEFORE the supposed hit other than a planned distraction from what was just about to occur , or NOT occur, above, at the 80th floor? I say no planes were used and explosives were planted in the tower floors that were supposedly hit. Furthermore, if a big Boeing did actually hit the building and the building was simply being control demolitioned, why the need to get WTC bystabnders to look DOWN just seconds before the hit? Wouldn't it make more sense that if indeed an actual big plane hit that the basement explosion would take place AT THE SAME MOMENT the plane hit, that is, if the explosion was being used to simply weaken the foundation before the demolition? This way the explosion could have been hidden. But no, the explosion took place about 9 seconds PRIOR to the supposed hit on the 80th floor. The ensueing chaos would provide ample distraction and keep all eyes focused AT GROUND LEVEL prior to the supposed hit above.

This theory also jives with my premise that using planes to hit the buildings was too risky, just like the Pentagon event in which an actual plane could have dug into the ground BEFORE hitting the building therby sending the 911 perps to jail. The WTC towers were already pre-wired with FEMA and other military exercize personel in place, along with fake witnesses and CIA-controlled media, therefore, the 911 event HAD TO TAKE PLACE AS PLANNED and WTC hits that left no evidence behind as to what hit had to be guaranteed. Actual planes could have missed the targets completely or just partially hit leaving debris from the plane in the street with NO PASSENGERS in the case of the plane(s) being radio-controlled drones. I believe the bombs going off in the lobby/sub-basement seconds prior to the supposed plane hits served as a purposeful distraction and further bolsters the no plane theory.

Watch this woman's report and pay special atention to the 35:00 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIrxs4nqEOc&NR=1

This woman's testimony, along with William Rodriguez and the audio file at the beginning of Loose Change of the WTC occupants earwitnessing the basement and upper floor explosions prove basement/lobby explosion BEFORE the hit. What's interesting is that the latter audio file with NO PLANE ROAR gives the lie to the Luc Courchesne video with the over-the-top engine roar. Where is the roar in the audio clip of the WTC occupants in the Loose Change audio clip? It isn't there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbrg6-IYYxs

Why was was the audio turned off on Evan Fairbank's camera?
http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html#2nd
New York September 11
"Evan Fairbanks, now a freelance photographer, was on the stage at the New York Historical society, narrating his 25-minute silent video, which he shot almost thirty years later, on September 11, 2001... He told us he often works in lower Manhattan, and, that morning, he was at Trinity Church, setting up a teleconference with the Archbishop of Wales. All of a sudden, the lights flickered in the studio. When he ran to the window, he saw there had been an explosion at the WTC.
"Someone handed me a video camera and I ran outside," he said. "And it was only after the first tower collapsed and FBI agents conducted me to a safe place, that I stopped shooting. When I told them what I had on videotaped, they brought me to their command center. They have the original, which has five minutes of audio. This is a copy. Sorry there's no sound."

Does Evan Fairbanks mention a bomb that blew out the WTC lobby windows just prior to the hit? No.

Do any video takers at the base of the WTC 2nd hit mention a bomb in the lobby or basement that blew out the lobby windows just prior to the hit? No.

Do any of the close up hit videos contain audio of the lobby explosion that blew glass out into the building's periphery just prior to the hit? No.

And on and on....

Yes a discovery.

To begin I believe there were planes and that they were piloted for one reason. The impact fall sequence is backwards and remotes or "no plane" theory would make that obvious problem fairly easy to avoid. The backwards fall sequence is a big flag to a lot of people particuarly because most of the fue burned outside of WTC 2.

Logically the only scenario that would allow a backwards impact fall sequence with towers that were to be taken down with explosive would be that the detonation sequence was on timers. A suicidal muslim hijacker would be, if anyone would be, the kind of pilot that would disobey strike orders and hit the tower they wanted to rather than the one they were told to. The second plane shows up to find their target burning and has to complete a radical turn to get access to the right strike elevation for the remaining target.

That all works okay logically.

Parts of what Quest posts also work logically. The part about a distraction getting people to look down so they might not see that there were no planes. However there are inconsistencies in the reported instant of the explosions.

The woman in the video says she "believes" the explosion was before impact. So does Rodriguez.

Everybody else places the explosion simualtaenous with the impact, and at least one identifies 2 explosions. One at impact and another 10 seconds later.

The fact that videos do not have audio doesn't prove there were no planes, but in all instances could show an effort to make consistent the evidence that might be used to say there were no planes. When a copy of an original is returned without audio an official element has an opportunity to remove audio.

Good discovery anyway. The consistent lack of audio and in one case perhaps directly caused by official possession of an original then handing back copy, gives rise to justified suspicions.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/novem...dexplosions.htm
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/under..._explosions.htm

ON EDIT: The USGS has never released the raw digital data converted from the analog seismometers. I believe this is because a fast fourier transform could be performed converting the amplitude domain data into frequency domain preventing comparisons to quarry blasts with high explosives where it would match frequencies perfectly.
Whether the explosions were before or after distributes the siesmic signature of the over all event by distributing it in time.

This post has been edited by Christophera: May 25 2008, 02:48 AM

[Quest]

Yes a discovery.

To begin I believe there were planes and that they were piloted for one reason. The impact fall sequence is backwards and remotes or "no plane" theory would make that obvious problem fairly easy to avoid. The backwards fall sequence is a big flag to a lot of people particuarly because most of the fue burned outside of WTC 2.

Logically the only scenario that would allow a backwards impact fall sequence with towers that were to be taken down with explosive would be that the detonation sequence was on timers. A suicidal muslim hijacker would be, if anyone would be, the kind of pilot that would disobey strike orders and hit the tower they wanted to rather than the one they were told to. The second plane shows up to find their target burning and has to complete a radical turn to get access to the right strike elevation for the remaining target.

That all works okay logically.

Parts of what Quest posts also work logically. The part about a distraction getting people to look down so they might not see that there were no planes. However there are inconsistencies in the reported instant of the explosions.

The woman in the video says she "believes" the explosion was before impact. So does Rodriguez.

Everybody else places the explosion simualtaenous with the impact, and at least one identifies 2 explosions. One at impact and another 10 seconds later.

The fact that videos do not have audio doesn't prove there were no planes, but in all instances could show an effort to make consistent the evidence that might be used to say there were no planes. When a copy of an original is returned without audio an official element has an opportunity to remove audio.

Good discovery anyway. The consistent lack of audio and in one case perhaps directly caused by official possession of an original then handing back copy, gives rise to justified suspicions.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/novem...dexplosions.htm
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/under..._explosions.htm

ON EDIT: The USGS has never released the raw digital data converted from the analog seismometers. I believe this is because a fast fourier transform could be performed converting the amplitude domain data into frequency domain preventing comparisons to quarry blasts with high explosives where it would match frequencies perfectly.
Whether the explosions were before or after distributes the siesmic signature of the over all event by distributing it in time.

Just so you know, I don't claim my theory as being "rock soild" but yes, I do believe it merits further exploration.

At this point I need to correct myself regarding Willie Rodriguez's testimony. He was witness to the FIRST supposed impact (the explosions that is, not to the actual impact) in the NORTH TOWER and if you watch the following video he in fact DOES claim a bomb went off in then basement before the plane struck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtxjvpw67iI

The great part about Rodriguez's account of the events is that not only does it jive with the Ginny Carr audio in Loose Change, I soon relalized that Dylan Avery made a mistake when assesing the event. He assumed planes hit and that the man in the CARR audio was describing the 1st explosion as the "hit" but Rodriguez's account CLEARLY contradicts Dylan's assesment. Dylan clearly missed this but then, this was early on in 911 research and much more has been unearthed to cast doubt on the OCT of planes hitting on all 4 events/locations.

Below is Ginny Carr's business meeting audio which occurred at 1 Liberty Plaza, across the street from the North tower which is the location of the 1st plane hit and where Willie Rodriguez was located at the time. While listening to the Carr audio, take note that the man in the audio says it sounded like something crashed after the SECOND explosion (for what that's worth). The point being here that Rodriguez was actually in the tower and says the 1st explosion came from below and the second explosion came from ABOVE. Again, Rodriguez would know, after all, he was IN the tower. On top of that, there is no engine roar of any kind in the Ginny Carr audio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwMpXa84Nis

Location of 1 Liberty Plaza
http://killtown.911review.org/images/wtc-g...1-1_wtc-map.jpg

So there you have it; an explosion BEFORE the supposed impact above and no loud plane roar hear in the Ginny Carr audio from across the street. I contend that if both explosions were heard the jet engine roar should have been heard. And as I mentioned earlier, Evan Fairbank's video of the second tower 'strike' has the audio turned off. It would appear that that the 911 perps didn't want anyone looking up even for the first tower strike and used bomb(s) in the basements/lobby to get potential witnesses to look down 9 seconds prior to the 'hits'. The perps also made sure the audio was turned off or had a loud plane engine roar added in the fake 'hit' videos that were taken near the base of the WTC to hide the fact that bombs went off in both buildings at ground level before the supposed hits.

I say now let's turn our attention to the 2nd tower event and look for audio anomolies like the Evan Fairbank's "audio-off" video that are inconsistent with then official planes hitting everywhere story.

This post has been edited by Quest: May 25 2008, 08:57 PM

[Quest]

As I mentioned earlier, the audio was turned off on Evan Fairbank's camera and not so coincidently, Fairbanks' 'hit' video has been one of the most heavily scrutinized videos because of the "melting into the tower" effect which many find implausible thereby casting suspicion on it's authenticity. Although I am admittedly specualting, I believe the audio is off to hide the fact that a bomb went off in the 2nd tower lobby/basement to avert eyes from the skies just prior to the hit as had been done with the 1st strike.

Why was was the audio turned off on Evan Fairbank's camera?
http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html#2nd
New York September 11
"Evan Fairbanks, now a freelance photographer, was on the stage at the New York Historical society, narrating his 25-minute silent video, which he shot almost thirty years later, on September 11, 2001... He told us he often works in lower Manhattan, and, that morning, he was at Trinity Church, setting up a teleconference with the Archbishop of Wales. All of a sudden, the lights flickered in the studio. When he ran to the window, he saw there had been an explosion at the WTC.
"Someone handed me a video camera and I ran outside," he said. "And it was only after the first tower collapsed and FBI agents conducted me to a safe place, that I stopped shooting. When I told them what I had on videotaped, they brought me to their command center. They have the original, which has five minutes of audio. This is a copy. Sorry there's no sound."

Then there is the Luc Courchesne video with the over-the-top engine roar. Where is the jet engine roar in the Ginny Carr audio clip in Loose Change? It isn't there, which suggests this video has had a loud jet engine roar added to support "plane hits". Aslo, like the Fairbaks video, many claim the Courchesne video is a fake based on the implausible "melting into tower" aspect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbrg6-IYYxs

This leads to an obvious question that I admittedly screwed up by making an assumption earlier in thinking Rodriguez was discussing the 2nd 'hit'. The question is, "Are there any reports or seismic data supporting a bomb going off in the basement/lobby before the SOUTH tower hit? Anyone?

This post has been edited by Quest: May 25 2008, 11:24 PM

[Christophera]

As I mentioned earlier, the audio was turned off on Evan Fairbank's camera and not so coincidently, Fairbanks' 'hit' video has been one of the most heavily scrutinized videos because of the "melting into the tower" effect which many find implausible thereby casting suspicion on it's authenticity. Although I am admittedly specualting, I believe the audio is off to hide the fact that a bomb went off in the 2nd tower lobby/basement to avert eyes from the skies just prior to the hit as had been done with the 1st strike.

Why was was the audio turned off on Evan Fairbank's camera?
http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html#2nd
New York September 11
"Evan Fairbanks, now a freelance photographer, was on the stage at the New York Historical society, narrating his 25-minute silent video, which he shot almost thirty years later, on September 11, 2001... He told us he often works in lower Manhattan, and, that morning, he was at Trinity Church, setting up a teleconference with the Archbishop of Wales. All of a sudden, the lights flickered in the studio. When he ran to the window, he saw there had been an explosion at the WTC.
"Someone handed me a video camera and I ran outside," he said. "And it was only after the first tower collapsed and FBI agents conducted me to a safe place, that I stopped shooting. When I told them what I had on videotaped, they brought me to their command center. They have the original, which has five minutes of audio. This is a copy. Sorry there's no sound."

Then there is the Luc Courchesne video with the over-the-top engine roar. Where is the jet engine roar in the Ginny Carr audio clip in Loose Change? It isn't there, which which suggests this video has had a loud jet engine roar added to support "plane hits". Aslo, like the FAirbaks video, many claim the Courchesne video is a fake based on the implausible "melting into tower" aspect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbrg6-IYYxs

This leads to an obvious question that I admittedly screwed by making an assumption earlier in thinking Rodriguez was discussing the 2nd 'hit'. The question is, "Are there any reports or seismic data supporting a bomb going off in the basement/lobby before the SOUTH tower hit? Anyone?

Okay, I see your logic. Do we know his audi was turned off? Did he say that? Fairbanks only had a copy, meaning it may have had audio that was removed. Certainly the Carr audio can be altered to be consistent.

Roderiguez hasn't answered a single email asking about the WTC 1 hallway layouts which is somethign he would know and would really help identifying differences in the towers cores. Meaning I can't logically use his testimony when it is not echoed by others in the building.

Which brings us back to an overview that requires a logical reason for the perps to create an out of sequence impact/fall sequence.

The sequence would have to be intentionally created and that is very illogical. I won't accept the "fires were going out" reasoning, ..... too weak, and need a better reason to create such an obvious inconsistency.

[Quest]

1.Christophera wrote;
Okay, I see your logic. Do we know his audi was turned off? Did he say that? Fairbanks only had a copy, meaning it may have had audio that was removed. Certainly the Carr audio can be altered to be consistent.


Quest: He said it in the Jeff Shure interview. Regardless, the FBI (supposedly) has the original and we'll never hear it and the copy of the Fairbanks video everyone has seen DOES NOT contain audio.

2. Roderiguez hasn't answered a single email asking about the WTC 1 hallway layouts which is somethign he would know and would really help identifying differences in the towers cores. Meaning I can't logically use his testimony when it is not echoed by others in the building.[/quote]

Quest: I can only speak to what Rodriguez said regarding the explosion below coming 1st and 'hit' above 9 seconds later. What he said is what he said.

3. Which brings us back to an overview that requires a logical reason for the perps to create an out of sequence impact/fall sequence. The sequence would have to be intentionally created and that is very illogical. I won't accept the "fires were going out" reasoning, ..... too weak, and need a better reason to create such an obvious inconsistency.

Quest: I have no opionion one way or the other regarding the impact/fall sequence. I created this thread because it happened to occur to me while in the original thread this one was part of that the explosion that Rodriguez noted before the impact may have been a purposeful slight of hand to divert attention from what was about to occur - or NOT occur - above, at the 80th floor. I didn't mean to imply it has something to do with the impact/fall sequence which more than likely is not related at all. Just a misundertsanding, bro.

This post has been edited by Quest: May 25 2008, 09:17 PM

[amazed!]

Christophera

I think you're giving too much credit to the kamikaze guys.

Though you are a brilliant engineer, your understanding of flight and airplanes does not seem to rise to the level of your engineering knowledge.

[Christophera]

Christophera

I think you're giving too much credit to the kamikaze guys.

Though you are a brilliant engineer, your understanding of flight and airplanes does not seem to rise to the level of your engineering knowledge.

Yea, I'm not versed in the aviation. However, a friend who is a UA pilot of 20 years, with his pilot friends set up a computer simulator and none could hit the buildings along the flight path of 175. Then again, he said in a real plane, 2 pilots working together could get that turn done that 175 did which was the most difficult part.

Still, the no planes argument has to show a logical reason for the perps to create a backwards fall/impact sequence. But Quests point about the silent video can be created or used to support a potential motive for a pre impact explosion to compel people to keep their eyes on the ground, no doubt of that.

[amazed!]

Yes, there is a story here about a simulator instructor in I think Phoenix, Boeing 737.

The day of the attacks he had some students, and of course because everybody was grounded thereafter, the students could not get home. The instructor and the students set it up so the WTC towers were in their visual and tried to fly the sim into the towers. It took something like 10 attempts before they could hit it. I think some sort of Dutch Roll was induced at the high airspeeds.