OGCT True Believers Bullshit Excuses, Need help to sink OGCT True Believers BS Excuses Options

[dMz]

Hey foxy! How's reheat?

[dMz]

Actually I should clarify or possibly apologize to some who may not have caught my intended meaning- the "I'M RICK JAMES, BITCH!" is a direct quote that would likely lose some meaning in the translation, and I may not have put quotation marks around the first instance in this thread. I was quite diligent to put quotation marks around the second instance, however.

If anyone felt offended by my above Chapelle schtick, or if anyone is named "Charles Murphy," then please let me know and I can assure you that no ill will was intended.

BUT, please DO refer to the above unanswered questions on this thread- that's something that we "twoofers" have been "uneasy" about for 6+ years now...

Sorry R.oark and painter,
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This post has been edited by dMole: May 22 2008, 03:30 PM

[dMz]

Where'd foxy go?

EDIT: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/obsessi...vedisorder.html

This post has been edited by dMole: May 23 2008, 05:03 AM

[dMz]

I just want to take the opportunity here to thank Rob and the staff for their continued courageous efforts, and for hosting a forum that is WELL WORTH fighting for.

Some conspiracies you simply MUST fight against. I'm afraid we're in the middle of the biggest here, kiddies...

Thanks all.

P.S. Thank you too, OGCT apologist trolls- you played your role admirably. BTW- Ben Kenobi says hi. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[dMz]

I've got a few more: how were the ribs Rob? What kind of sauce did you use? Cole slaw or potato salad? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Nunyabiz]

Ever try to convince a Young Earth Creationist that indeed the Earth can not possibly be 6000 years old and poof-ed into existence by the proverbial magic wand and a few choice words of Hebrew?

What you have here in these OT lunatics is essentially the same phenomena and no amount of hard tangible irrefutable proof will EVER make any difference what so ever.
Facts mean nothing to people like this.

[dMz]

Here's a list of questions waiting for follow up. Hopefully I tagged them all:

I think you missed a few TF. I counted 13 in your post above.

I'll add:

14. What could have produced all of that molten metal?

15. If there was a 10 story gash taken out of the building, (which there wasn't,) what did it? A piece of one of the towers that "fell" down, and just happened to fly over to the next block? [ I added to this one as "shouldn't North Tower debris fall down, not horizontally across Vesey and/or Washington Street(s) in a gravitational field?"]

16. If the tiny raging fires, which were never below the sixth floor according to FEMA, caused the collapse, why have other steel framed buildings that were literally engulfed by fire for many more hours (like around the clock) not collapsed?

17. If the fires in the towers were hot enough to adversly affect 200 thousand tons of steel in the towers (which was all bolted and welded together, so the heat would have been dissapated throughout the building) then how can Edna Cintron be leaning on a perimiter column, waving for help?

18. How can Fire Chief Orio Palmer radio from near the crash site a few minutes before the collapse of the South Tower to say there's a couple of fires & that he thinks he can dowse them with a couple of hoses??

19. And how can structural damage (of which there is very little documentation) to WTC7 on ONE corner cause the building to collapse symmetrically, straight down, at free-fall speed??

20. Even if ... IF... there was extensive damage to WTC 7,it would have to be the side facing the tower. So how would it fall straight down?

21. Do you care to tell us how the middle, side and rear core columns would have been damaged?

22. Why don't you bring your Physics Prof here so I (we) may have a word with him? [nicepants' A: "I've graduated college and my old physics professor has no reason to come to this message board and argue with people about 9/11."] ----> So why do you, Roark, et. al. have reason to do so?

23. How does a building fall straight down symmetrically if only a few columns fail?

24. I did manage to light some steel wool on fire, though.
There was no melted iron left underneath though.
Does that count?

25. I've read and heard figures of about 300 feet. Does this seem correct to you?

26. What sort of gravity[ational] force can move a baseball 300 feet horizontally?

27. The lighter the projectile, the greater the force [alternately Kinetic Energy (KE)] required to penetrate WTC 7. Correct?

28. The heavier the projectile, the more energy required to move it over a distance. Correct?

29. There is no proof that the photo was taken by a NYPD officer or that it was manipulated by the NYPD. And so what if it was? Are you saying that we should treat the photo as though it's real and holy just because it supposedly comes from the police? Is your implication that any government authority would not attempt to deceive us, especially not the police?

30. Please expand on the bolded part. Are you saying that the vertical downward motion of the top section of WTC 1 caused the debris to spring horizontally?

31. How about the impact floor of WTC #7. If I'm not mistaken, the lowest level hit was floor 8, on
the southwest corner?

32. According to NIST, the debris would have (DID) cut the columns when they were cold and free of any fire, and at 100% strength. Agree?

33. WTC7 fell straight down. Have you ever watched the footage? What would it have to do to meet your definition of symetrical?? And by the way, how would you explain how the BBC knew the building was going to come down 20-odd minutes before the fact???

34. What exactly is your motivation in posting here in this forum? Financial? Ego? Assignment? ,Governmental? Reading your answers above, are you just an "NIST groupie?" [I personally don't find the government scientists that I've met and worked with all that attractive myself, but whatever displaces the water underneath your boat...]

35. If the "debunkers" are such qualified "critical thinkers," then why can't they test alternate hypotheses by examining all the available 9/11 evidence with an open mind and without the rhetorical sophistry and name calling? Call me strange, but I prefer to have additional evidence beyond that "supplied" by GWB/Rumsfeld/DoD, History Channel/Hearst Publications, James Randi, and one paper written by someone named Ryan Mackey. Those "official" FEMA/ASCE, NTSB/FBI, and NIST explanations have been shown to have some serious shortcomings- possibly if you did a little reading around here and less posting, you might find a few yourself.

36. Are you telling me WTC 7 was on fire BEFORE the debris struck it?
OF COURSE the steel was cold and at full strength!
Are you starting to get a clue of how impossible this government story really is?

37. It certainly isn't "pleasing to imagine" that our own government could have been involved in 9/11 now is it?

38. As an alternative, to be actually comparable, see if you can find one [a tree] that turns itself into tiny particles of sawdust.

39. Nicepants, you do a good job of avoiding questions. Do you want to have a real debate and find out what you're missing, or do you just like to waste our time?

40. nicepants: "An overwhelming majority of evidence supports the OT."
LOL! That's the funniest thing you have said so far. Prove it, please.

41. Tell me something, nicepants, are you an agent or just an ignorant troll who has nothing better to do? What is in this for you, anyway? I'd really like to know. Do you actually believe that living under a technological despotism barely masquerading as a Constitutional Republic is going to secure your rights, safety and happiness? Do you really think it is 'ok' for governments to lie to their people, especially about a crime of this magnitude, and do all the things this government is doing to ignore and obfuscate undeniable facts? Just curious. Be cause to me a government like that can't be trusted to do anything but what it has already done and worse. A government like that has broken the most essential pact between them and the governed, has shown itself to be essentially immoral and no longer derives its just powers from my consent.

Just sayn'. What's in this for you?

[I think #41 is the most important question for all humans, esp. US citizens to answer IMHO]

EDIT: 42. Where'd foxy go? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by dMole: May 25 2008, 03:46 PM

[heliweli]

dmole,
I think you have an unhealthy preoccupation with foxy. But I'm enjoying it!! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[nicepants]

So, it takes alot of explosives to take down the WTC after a 767 hits it (or not in the case of WTC7)? Or is it just a few fires...

Neither. It would take a lot of explosives to do what Oceans Flow suggested was done with explosives.

I think im going to start a Demolition Company... i may name it: Fires-R-Us. We light a trash can full of printer paper under a steel column on a Class A OSHA Building and take down a 47 story building without any expense for explosives.

No one is claiming that the 3 WTC towers failed from fire alone.

[dMz]

Why how anonymous of nicepants!

[nicepants]

The math says that "the collapse" should have stopped as soon as as the top section fell ONE story. Try this for an analogy... a pickup truck rear-ends a semi-trailer... is the result a pile of dust and small broken parts? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif)

What math? Source/work please.

Here, you have finally asked a good question (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/handsdown.gif) I asked Frank Legge (Journal of 9/11 Studies) that very same question. He told me that without knowing the type of explosives it's very difficult to answer, but that explosives experts have assured him that it's possible. Personally, I think this is one of the great unanswered questions.

What explosives experts? You saying that someone else said that someone told him isn't sufficient sourcing.

No there weren't. The GZ workers reported that there were NO large pieces of anything... no desks, no phones, no filing cabinets... not even pebbles of concrete.. just dust!

Really? No large pieces of concrete at all?

(IMG:http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/03/30/nyregion/30lawyers911span.jpg)

Some of those pieces of "dust" are bigger than people!

[nicepants]

Because its fun. Its our house... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The question should really be... why do people come here to be trolls and register to a forum in order to engage people they think are nuts?? I can only say one word.. loser (and spending way too much on their flight training) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

LOL Again...please post what you think would be an appropriate amount to have paid for my flight training thus far and explain why you think I've overpaid. I think I know why you believe this, and it's due to a mistake on your part, but I'm certainly willing to concede if you can prove your point. (Though I don't think you'll attempt it)

Not only that. .but some of these losers feel so passionately about us "kooks", they will double up on their anonymity in order to engage people they think are "nuts".. they will register here with a different UserID than they are already known for. Thats the ultimate loser.

Didn't you recently claim that you have a sock at J.R.E.F?

I will also say... Reheat is spreading bullshit and probably knows it, that is also why he wont put his name on his work.

Which is more important? Getting the calculations correct? Or the name they are published under?

The people from the govt loyalist site are nothing but cowards. They call us "paraniod", but we are the ones using our real names and address. Oh the irony... Enjoy your chip implants!

They probably don't appreciate threats, etc perpetrated by some members of the truth movement

(micepants, copy/paste my ad homs to the govt loyalist site. You can be my sock. Be sure to quote in full now... dont want to be thought as more of a loser than you already are... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

If you want to post at J.R.E.F, do it yourself.

[nicepants]

nicepants:Are you suggesting that the collapse should have gotten slower and slower until it eventually just stopped?


Bingo! Another lollipop! (this time spelled right)

Calculations? Source? Basis for this conclusion?

Have you bothered to consider the amount of explosives that would be required to do what you're suggesting?

Yes. It would take the amount that was used.

I guess not. How many lbs would that be?

[dMz]

They probably don't appreciate threats, etc perpetrated by some members of the truth movement

Nicepants, do you mean anything like "Troy from WV"'s harassment of 9/11 First Responder John Feal and Bob McIlvaine (who lost his son at the WTC)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B58k5B3CoI0&e

Yipes! Just Yipes!

[nicepants]

Nicepants, do you mean anything like "Troy from WV"'s harassment of 9/11 First Responder John Feal and Bob McIlvaine (who lost his son at the WTC)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B58k5B3CoI0&e

Yipes! Just Yipes!

Yeah I know about Troy...he's said some pretty rotten things....lest we forget that truthers have been responsible for their fair share of harassment too. (Mark Roberts even has a running list of death threats truthers have made against him)

That kind of behavior is absolutely ridiculous, no matter what side you're on.

[rob balsamo]

Mark Roberts exaggerates, quote mines, and spins most of the quotes completely out of context. Not to mention, considering the man is a NYer, he sure cries for a long time over a discussion that got heated. The fact you equate Marks quote mining in an attempt to almost justify what Troy has done demonstrates your extreme bias, denial and spin. Pathetic.

Did i mention Ron Weick is pretty disappointed in Mark? (and others)

CODE

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3704117&postcount=105

Hey nicepants, you have some aviation experience, care to get on air and debate the FDR with me? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[CocaineImportAge...]

...Hi 1976!.... very good year by the way!.... i was 16!.... still blissfully ignorant!

...i have not read the whole thread so sorry if someone has mentioned it before!?


...ask Walshy to explain the Squibs running up the top right hand corner of the building in the brief fraction of a second before the building starts to fall... link below!... regards!


...squibs?

[rob balsamo]

Wow.. i didnt even see this reply... not much here to go over.. but two quick points...

Didn't you recently claim that you have a sock at J.R.E.F?

See below..

If you want to post at J.R.E.F, do it yourself.

I tried to register at the govt loyalist site using my real name, Lisa Simpson denied the registration.

Whats even more hilarious is the fact Lisa denies my registration, yet there are four "tags" at the bottom of the site referencing me and many of my quotes (although spun and cherry picked) are posted there by you (and others). I dont need to register. You guys do the work for me. Most with a brain can see the zoo going on over there... so the promotion of our work on your site is appreciated. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

As for my "sock". I dont have a sock... i was just playing on your gullibility.


Or was i? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

And yes.. you are getting ripped off. Good on the flight school who is milking your ass. You deserve it.

[Leslie Landry]

Ya! so there! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (i just wanted to join the fight too lol)

[KP50]

...Hi 1976!.... very good year by the way!.... i was 16!.... still blissfully ignorant!

...i have not read the whole thread so sorry if someone has mentioned it before!?


...ask Walshy to explain the Squibs running up the top right hand corner of the building in the brief fraction of a second before the building starts to fall... link below!... regards!


...squibs?

Or as The Alarm sang :-

Somewhere tonight out on the street
Somewhere beneath this city's heat
In the eyes of strangers who pass me by
Life is cruel and so unkind
Oh, Oh the SPIRIT OF '76

Love that song - pompous, overblown and fantastic. Watch the full version here, 7 minutes but worth it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iylGrePc0Tc

Anyway, sometimes I wish I was a "debunker", their job is so damn easy. For example, CIA, when you talk about squibs do you even know what a squib is? Or do you just repeat anything you read on a conspiracy website?