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Aa77 Rades Data Analysis, Questions and Findings from RADES data

dMz
post Dec 26 2007, 03:20 AM
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If anyone wants to compare, I updated my charts from the USAF 84 RADES .XLS data (now sorted by radar station). I still need to try to match the FDR data allegedly from AA77 to the RADES data claimed to be from AA77, so FDR numbers are not represented in the files below.

The distance (and consequently velocity) should be more accurate using a Spherical Law of Cosines geodesic method. The few calculated distances that I checked by hand were within <= 0.25% compared to a Vicenty algorithm online. The Vicenty method claimed to have accuracy to +/- 0.5mm. Unfortunately, the UK Vicenty page appears to be down. I also added "Avg_5" velocity points that are an average of about 5 radar-derived velocities.

Another Vicenty calculator should be downloadable at:
http://www.fai.org/distance_calculation/

I also discovered a distance, range, azimuth calculator program that has altitude/slant correction on the RADES CD under :\rs3\3dRadarRngCalc.exe.

My updated AA77 charts based on the RADES .XLS are [EDIT: available upon specific request- the old server has been "updated"]

The zipped original (unprocessed) .XLS file is at:
http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id2392699235.html
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post Dec 27 2007, 10:33 AM
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After considerable data processing, I've put some preliminary AA77 NSTB FDR data charts together with the USAF 84 RADES .XLS data for comparison.

To work with the AAL77_tabular.zip file I needed to split the .CSV into 2 pieces to workaround the M$ Excel 256-column limitation (that has existed continuously since at least Office 97 and stops at column "IV" if anyone is interested wink.gif ). I also needed to generate 2 of each chart (early chart1 & late chart2, since Excel only can handle ~32,000 data pairs). The other big problem with Excel is it only handles ~65,000 lines (but this is not a problem on the AAL77 .CSV file that I downloaded).

MUCH THANKS is owed to Rob, UnderTow, and the rest of the FDR team for their work getting the binary .FDR file into a more usable .CSV format, although it is not "NSTB official."

My .ZIPped split .CSV FDR data files (without processing) are available at:
http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id2395957437.html

As an aside, I have worked completely independently of P4T's FDR data team in the interests of independent scientific research (although some FDR data advice would have helped considerably biggrin.gif ).

I'm hoping to dig into the AA77 FDR data engine particulars next (the more "interesting" part for me).

Enjoy and Happy Holidays,
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post Dec 27 2007, 11:15 AM
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i briefly looked over your data in your first post. One chart shows altitude at almost FL600? blink.gif
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post Dec 27 2007, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 27 2007, 08:15 AM)
i briefly looked over your data in your first post. One chart shows altitude at almost FL600?  blink.gif

Good morning Rob,

Yes, 58 500 feet REINFORCED Mode C Altitude for AA77 at 8:49:39 EDT, 12:49:39.125
Zulu Time, at 38.8357 deg N -81.7760 deg W, at range 191.375 nm azimuth 270.439
degrees from the PLA (The Plains, VA IIRC) USAF station, straight from the USAF-generated .XLS data.

Welcome to the wide, wacky world of 9/11 USAF RADES data. There is much more amazing data, with negative mode C altitude, un-earthly accelerations, incredible speeds, etc. The data reads like an episode of the X-files.

Hey, maybe that's why the FBI, NTSB, and Kean-Hamilton Commissions didn't notice anything strange in the data... wink.gif

Apparently we look a little closer than USAF 84 RADES/FBI at the data.
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post Jan 2 2008, 03:53 AM
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I've posted some (hopefully wink.gif ) more user-friendly radar information that should help decipher my RADES charts for AA11, AA77, and UA175 over at:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...post&p=10534172
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post Jun 3 2008, 09:39 PM
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initial post (the above posts have been moved from an earlier thread)
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This one's a can of worms from what I've already seen so far in the .XLS

Post AA77-specific RADES questions, findings, etc. here

EDIT: Related post is at:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10732799
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post Feb 22 2009, 08:52 PM
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Here are some threads that might have some related information buried inside the RADES data set, but a Zulu/GMT time and lat/lon pair in addition to a transponder code if possible would be greatly appreciated when asking any RADES data questions here (or on the applicable thread).

Question About Plane Departing National Being Redirected Over The White House To Avoid The Hi-jackers
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=15448

Fastest Little 757 That Ever There Was, 84th RADES data for all to see
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=14308

Faa Data Disproves 84rades?, On LaBTop's analysis
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=14621

C130 Arrived On Scene Nearly 3 Minutes After Event, Definitely not the plane Roosevelt saw [C-130 squawk 2427 out of ADW at 13:33:49.560, 2000 ft ModeC]
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=11484

What Was The Speed Of The Decoy Aircraft, which flew SE of WH and north of Citgo?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=11789

The C-130 Departed After National Groundstop, According to RADES Data coordinate
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=11484

RADES Data Shows "AA77" North of Citgo, ...and impacting into 395
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=11003

Rades W/neads Audio Mix, radar data pentagon area 9:29 - 10 a.m.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=9792

Who Invented The 270 Degree Loop Of Fl 77?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=9564

7000 Feet At Big Turn, Who generated that info?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=3320

Was It Aa77 That Reappeared Near Iad?, Air vehicle swap when AA77 lost on radar [Ed- inconclusive at best IMHO]
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=2644

[JFK's related thread]
Aa77 Rades - A Different Approach.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13231

[Tume's recent thread]
"aa77" Final Approach Ground Speed Determination From The 84rades Radar Data, 84Rades and FDR data mutually INCONSISTENT?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=15913
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post Feb 23 2009, 05:11 PM
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According to the USAF 84 RADES RS3 software/data, around the time of the Pentagon incident, I found these aircraft in the very close vicinity.

One aircraft had Mode 3 code "0510" (as well as the same Mode2 "0510"), and showed 0 feet ModeC at 09:37:35.975 EDT
(It appears to have just landed here: 38 50 44.129 N 077 01 47.634 W 38.845591 77.029898)

The C-130 showed Mode 3 code "2427" (with no Mode 2), Mode C 3500 feet at 09:37:47.930
(38 49 52.801 N 077 10 25.576 W 38.831334 77.173771)

Another aircraft, Mode 3 "5344", Mode C 1000 feet at 09:37:48.065 and dropping in altitude
(38 47 10.574 N 077 02 03.815 W 38.786271 77.034393)

Here is an RS3 map capture of when I extracted that dataset (the boundary around the cursor pointer):

http://flickcabin.com/public/view/22981

There were a few "Search" returns that could have been aircraft (with no identification given), and one could possibly be "AA77" with the final return at 09:37:47.810 EDT.
(38 52 05.584 N 077 03 39.502 W 38.868218 77.060973) ~67.298 kts. It doesn't make much sense, but this was Sep. 11, 2001.

NOTE: The RADES lat/lon data is specified to 3 decimal places of an arcsecond (or the 7th decimal place for degrees). See USAF 84 RADES for their explanation- it is their RS3 software after all.

Right before, a "6775" had apparently landed at 13:34:37 at 38 50' N 77 02' W, 0 feet

There was a "5354" dropping in right behind "6775" on an "up river" or northwards approach. "5354" appears to have also landed (0 feet Mode C) at 13:36:00.625 near 38 50'N 77 02' W.
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A few minutes later, some aircraft crossed the path of the "2427" C130. There was a "5175" at 1700 feet, and a "7163" about 16000 feet.

Strangely, there was a single reinforced return for "0000" at 13:41:46-ish at 1700 feet Mode C near 38 56'N 77 10' W.

EDIT: After all that wait, and now Boone just leaves- hmmm....
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0510 = SYX2020 Fairchild Dornier J328

5344 = Air Shuttle 5767 Embraer E145

6775 = AWE98 A320

5354 = Piedmont 3402 De Havilland DH8A

5175 = MUSCLE6 UH-1

7163 = CJC5981 Saab 340

0000 =???
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QUOTE (Boonedoggled @ Feb 23 2009, 04:31 PM) *
0510 = SYX2020 Fairchild Dornier J328

5344 = Air Shuttle 5767 Embraer E145

6775 = AWE98 A320

5354 = Piedmont 3402 De Havilland DH8A

5175 = MUSCLE6 UH-1

7163 = CJC5981 Saab 340

0000 =???

So is the source of all this info J. Farmer or ???

Around the time of the Pentagon events, the RADES data shows the following aircraft "squawking" in the 1 arcdegree by 1 arcdegree "square" surrounding the Pentagon (approx. 3750 square miles at 38 degrees latitude, but I included the aircraft just leaving and entering this area too):

0000, 102, 200, 510, 512, 524, 710, 1130, 1200, 1536, 1714, 2335, 2427, 2470, 3052, 3067, 3141, 3603, 3620, 4101, 5175, 5302, 5335, 5344, 5354, 5375, 5747, 6702, 7017, and 7134.
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QUOTE (dMole @ Feb 25 2009, 05:47 PM) *
So is the source of all this info J. Farmer or ???

Around the time of the Pentagon events, the RADES data shows the following aircraft "squawking" in the 1 arcdegree by 1 arcdegree "square" surrounding the Pentagon (approx. 3750 square miles at 38 degrees latitude, but I included the aircraft just leaving and entering this area too):

0000, 102, 200, 510, 512, 524, 710, 1130, 1200, 1536, 1714, 2335, 2427, 2470, 3052, 3067, 3141, 3603, 3620, 4101, 5175, 5302, 5335, 5344, 5354, 5375, 5747, 6702, 7017, and 7134.


The FAA is the source, but Farmer received them through the FOIA.


Here are the links:

http://www.aal77.com/faa/faa09122008/fadar...01%20of%203.txt
http://www.aal77.com/faa/faa09122008/fadar...02%20of%203.txt
http://www.aal77.com/faa/faa09122008/fadar...03%20of%203.txt


0000=?
0102 = ?
0200 =?
0510 =SYX2020 J328
0512 =WORD31 B747
0524 =UAL1502 B752
0710 =AMT133 B757
1130 =SWA1305 B737
1200 = is there only one? Is it approximately 12 miles south of Reagan?
1536 =CAA581 CRJ2
1714 = DAL9900 B738
2335 = BLR215 JS41
2427 = GOFER06 C-130
2470 = BOBCAT14 T2
3052 = DAL2470 B73Q
3067 = COA1004 B733
3141 = UAL1984 A320
3603 = AWE85 B752
3620 =N88MC PA31
4101 = DAL986 MD80
5175 =MUSCLE6 UH-1
5302 = BLR606 CRJ2
5335 =?
5344 =ASH5767 E145
5354 =PDT3402 DH8A
5375 = PDC4977 DH8B
5747 =AAL1246 MD80
6702 = CJC1065 SF34
7017 =BOBCAT17 T2
7134 =N79RP GLF4

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dMole, transponder code 5335 was assigned to a T-38 (VVTP12) that landed at Andrews at 12:37. It looks like it may have done a touch and go, there are two flight strips in this document:

http://www.aal77.com/faa/5%20ADW%201%20FAA...ss%20Strips.pdf


ETA:

MUSCLE6 was .25 miles east of 38 56'N 77 10' W at 9:42:09 according to the DCA radar returns.

9:40:51 38.97004511,-77.18038172

9:42:09 38.93399943,-77.16227347

9:43:32 38.8990097,-77.12331104

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QUOTE (Boonedoggled @ Feb 26 2009, 12:50 AM) *
1200 = is there only one? Is it approximately 12 miles south of Reagan?

The skies were lousy with "1200" aircraft in the RADES data.

http://flickcabin.com/public/view/23532

Pick one. I find 20+ in the Pentagon vicinity (mostly low flying, below FL100), and I didn't even run the data up to the time of the Pentagon events. One could have been a helicopter (judging by the altitude profile) leaving Andrews AFB at 10:33 Zulu.

"1200" appears to be the default code for Visual Flight Rules (VFR) in FAA North American airspace. Canada, UK, and ICAO have some different assignments than US though.

"1.9.4 VFR Operations

During VFR flight in low-level airspace, adjust your transponder to reply on the following unless otherwise assigned by an ATS unit:

(a) Mode A, Code 1200, for operation at or below 12 500 ft ASL; or

(b) Mode A, Code 1400, for operation above 12 500 ft ASL."

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/publicat...RAC/1-1.htm#1-9
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QUOTE (Boonedoggled @ Feb 26 2009, 11:07 AM) *
ETA:

MUSCLE6 was .25 miles east of 38 56'N 77 10' W at 9:42:09 according to the DCA radar returns.

9:40:51 38.97004511,-77.18038172

9:42:09 38.93399943,-77.16227347

9:43:32 38.8990097,-77.12331104

There were about a half dozen "5175" aircraft near the Pentagon (likely all helicopters) in the RADES data.

http://flickcabin.com/public/view/full/23367

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